Let me explain we don't eat dirty pigeons you find in the street, we eat young pigeons or pigeonneaux typically less than 15 days I think, pretty cruel but exquisite.
As for Bastilla, humm, nice dish indeed, but we eat it typically during wedding, and if you really don't like pigeonneaux try with sea food, very nice too !!
What ! there is no polar bears in the streets of Novosibirsk ? I was pretty sure of the contrary, you know I am from Casablanca ! and while I am at it, please don't ask me if there are any Camels here and yes we DO have lots of cars, pollution and traffic jams !
Amen to that; although it often seems here that Everybody here loves to hate Slashdot comments:) I have been an avid Slashdot reader for at least 6 ou 7 yes:) and I have spent (lost:) ?) an awful amount of my life reading this thing, but I have to admit that I have learned an incredible amount of things here, and it has contributed to broaden my technology horizon.
Things I have discovered here :
Linux and Open source MP3 (yes the first I heard about it was here) p2p Google (that was really the begining of the begining) Wikipedia
and much more
I have then been an evangelist for these among my friends and relatives.
Slashdot is incredibly useful to spot emerging trends, and I am pretty sure that it has been fundamental in the launch of the sites and technologies mentioned above; Google has really learned that, that's why you have now at least one Google story per day.
http://linuxfr.org/ is such a beast. Posted stories are voted for by readers, and it has a Slashdot like moderation system. I don't really think that the result is that much better than Slashdot, quite the contrary in my opinion, maybe because it has less readership than Slashdot, so some stories take way too long to make it to the main page, although this has improved recently.
I would have guessed 60-80%, based on my occasional contacts with members of the immigrant community here in greater Amsterdam. Maybe this is an effect of the tendency of people from the same town to emigrate to the same area in Europe? Or my subjective estimate is just wrong.
Your are right, many people from Morocco who emigrated to the Netherlands and to some extent to Belgium are from the Rif region : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif which is predominantly Berber. In France the situation is different.
I did know that Arab/Berber is more a "class" and culture thing than a real ethnicity, but I didn't know it even applied to blacks.
Absolutly, its more of a cultural thing, there is no clear physical difference betwen so called "Arabs" and "Berber" in Morocco; the difference is more geographic I would say. People in the North whether they are Arabs or Berber tend to have a lighter skin than people in the South. As for Black Berber there are many in the south of Morocco in Marrakesh, Ouarzazate and the Draa region. Black Arabs are not really geographically located. There is a special Black group in Morocco called "Harratin" (agricultural labourer in Arabic) they are former slaves and lived initially mainly in the Tafilalet region and the south of Morocco, now everywere, most of them speak arabic, but I don't know if they consider themselves as Arabs.
in France you get the french citizenship in one of those cases.
1) Born anywhere in the world with one of you parents having the french citizenship, this called "droit du sang" (or the right to citizenship thanks to affiliation) 2) Born in France, whatever the citizenship of your parents is (this is : droit du sol, or jus soli : the right to citizenship thanks to the "soil") 3) Applying for citizneship, you need to have lived in France for at least 5 years, but partically you need at least 10 years. 4) Getting married to a french citizen (needs two years)
So yes many of kids in the riots are "technically" french, as to if other french people perceive them as such is another story.
This a semantic distinction. Traditionnaly in France, people from Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia are called "Maghrebian" (Maghrebins) or "North African" : politically correct or "Arabs" rather politically incorrect. African is used for Sub Saharan Africans.
The majority of Africans that immigrate into Europe are white Muslims from the North, and of those a minority speaks/is Arabic.
As a Moroccan, I would say that maybe from 40% to 60% of the people who emigrated from Morocco to Europe are Berber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber, Or Amazigh : free people, as they prefer to call themselves). In Morocco it's believed that about 40% of the population is still Berber (ie. live in predominantly Berber areas like the Atlas mountains, or has Beber as its native language). Note that this still a politically sensible subject in Morocco, although its slowly changing.
Many scholars believe that as much as 90% population of Morocco is in fact ethnically Berber, many have been arabized in the past by adopting arabic language and customs especially in some areas and in towns.
In Morocco you for instance find two different culturals groups: the Arabs and the Berber. Both are white. You distinguish the "Arabs" from the cities from the Berber by the mere fact that they speak a form of Arabic and are better educated.
Yes this is mostly correct, although you have also many blacks Arabs and blacks Berber in Morocco and lots of metis.
The Arabic conquest had only a superficial genetic impact on an already predominantly white population. The occurence of blue eyes in North Africa apparently even predates the Vandal invasion in the 5th century.
Morocco is really like a kind of a little Brasil plus many Moroccans do really look like portugese, in my opinion Moroccans are genetically even closer to portugues than to spaniards.
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You know, he has a pretty good track record of spotting trends and then capitalizing on them by getting books out about them
Yes and everybody does this, and it's called Marketing. Technology itself is subject to fashion, trends, exactly the same way as any other culture or subcultrure; Ajax is an excellent example, hip and hype drive searchers and loboratories to new trends, now jargon, this is the way knowledge is structured. Eugene Garfield at the SCI (Science Citation Index) and people who have studied the sociology of scientific discovery and epistemology have studied these process thoroughly two decades ago.
Hey, as a starting point or casual reference, it's not bad. Your chances of finding inaccurate, incomplete, or misleading content on Wikipedia are no worse than your chance of finding it on a general Internet search.
You are right, I use Wikipedia a lot this way, especially for subjects I am not acquainted with. But an other real interest I find, is in fact the "meta information or structure", thanks to "hotlinks" and "categories" I can navigate quickly a subject I don't know nothing about, and have in a very short time a broad idea about it, and all this in the same place, really interesting.
I have really never been dispointed by Wikipedia so far, but I clearly don't use as my sole reference.
Yes, Wikipedia reflects the interests of its readership, that's why it needs to attract people from different backgrounds, and I think that this is slowly happening, that's why the quality is improving en other areas.
This is good argument, Your are probably right. I live in Morocco and engineers have a rather decent pay compared to Lawyers and "some" doctors, and they are still highly regarded (for how long ?). Maybe we are still in the situation where the US was 20 ou 30 years ago.
An other important factor to consider is that lawyers and doctors are protected from international competition by the legal system, which is definetly not the case for programmers and (most) engineers.
It's just basic economic law.
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There is some merit to what you say. I believe that open source as a sound development process has been way over hyped by ESR (Eric Raymond), who has done a terrific job in convincing business persons ad developers alike with his papers and thanks to his eloquence and enthusiasm. In practice, very few open source users contribute code, partly because it's very hard to understand code written by other which most of the time undocumented, or simply because they lack time, or have other priorities. Nearly all open source contributors are in fact paid by companies (IBM, Red Hat, Novell, Etc. for Linux), many Gnome and KDE hackers are also paid for their coding and so on. For an open source project to thrive in the long run it has to have a sound business model so he can pay contributors, he can't rely only volunteers to make it happen.
And why not TWO versions, one traditional and the other one AJAX based, but both allowing you to access your workspace everyware, that would be a killer in my opinion.
RI/MPAA tightens their control over the US politicians and more draconian laws get passed making potential IP violations federal felony offenses. The private prison industry experiences double-digit growth numbers year after year. Shareholders of content owners and private prison industries make a killing in the stock market.
I don't think this will ever happen, laws which are too harsh are never enforced, there is a basic principle in every judiciary (and democratic I might add) system is that the sanction must be proportional to the fault.
You need to identify the new concept and give it a new name to create a the buzz around and thus create an intellectual and economic activity around it. You need also to make-it hip to attract people. Many scholars argue, that the scientific innovation process is not very different from artistic creation (strong program), people need "hip" and "fashion", at any time, there is always more fashionable, sexy, hip, buzzword compliant technology (called it what you want) scientific approach than others, and this is exactly what is happening with AJAX now. Basically, scientific and and artistic innovation follow the same sociologic and cultural patterns. This area of research is called "Sociology of scientific Innovation", One of the most fascinating disciplines I have learned at the university
You are completely right, Linux distributions are more and more resembling kitchen sinks. Alas when you complain you often get the standard response choice is good, which seems to be the official mantra in the community.
What we need is just a minimal set of applications that do what we are expecting they will do, and do it very well, period.
Well if you call little inconveniences being held in custody for 24h just because it happens that your name is "Khalid" or "Mohammed" to verify your identity, and that your are at risk of being held for months, well sorry I don't, this has happened to people I personally know.
On a side note, I believe that the US is great nation, but they are being hysterical and over-acting, they are heading in the wrong direction. They have spent billions of dollars in Irak believing they are fighting terrorism, and the result is that terrorism is more active than ever without any relief in sight. Imagine if those billions were spent to effectively help Africa or the Arab world how the image of America will be in those countries ? instead they have just managed to trigger the ire and wrath of the rest of the world.
It's a such pity that America just don't know how the rest of the world really is.
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Yes of course we do eat pigeons, everybody does but Americans ;) have a look at this recipe for instance : http://www.servicevie.com/01Alimentation/recette/R f_HTML/HTML_1300/1369b.html
Let me explain we don't eat dirty pigeons you find in the street, we eat young pigeons or pigeonneaux typically less than 15 days I think, pretty cruel but exquisite.
As for Bastilla, humm, nice dish indeed, but we eat it typically during wedding, and if you really don't like pigeonneaux try with sea food, very nice too !!
What ! there is no polar bears in the streets of Novosibirsk ? I was pretty sure of the contrary, you know I am from Casablanca ! and while I am at it, please don't ask me if there are any Camels here and yes we DO have lots of cars, pollution and traffic jams !
Slashdot archives are also great, I particularly appreciate ask slashdot
Well you deserve all my respect, you are my elder here :)
Amen to that; although it often seems here that Everybody here loves to hate Slashdot comments :) I have been an avid Slashdot reader for at least 6 ou 7 yes :) and I have spent (lost :) ?) an awful amount of my life reading this thing, but I have to admit that I have learned an incredible amount of things here, and it has contributed to broaden my technology horizon.
Things I have discovered here :
Linux and Open source
MP3 (yes the first I heard about it was here)
p2p
Google (that was really the begining of the begining)
Wikipedia
and much more
I have then been an evangelist for these among my friends and relatives.
Slashdot is incredibly useful to spot emerging trends, and I am pretty sure that it has been fundamental in the launch of the sites and technologies mentioned above; Google has really learned that, that's why you have now at least one Google story per day.
http://linuxfr.org/ is such a beast. Posted stories are voted for by readers, and it has a Slashdot like moderation system. I don't really think that the result is that much better than Slashdot, quite the contrary in my opinion, maybe because it has less readership than Slashdot, so some stories take way too long to make it to the main page, although this has improved recently.
Note that it's in french.
Too bad, lots of those extension get broken when you upgrade to a newer version.
I would have guessed 60-80%, based on my occasional contacts with members of the immigrant community here in greater Amsterdam. Maybe this is an effect of the tendency of people from the same town to emigrate to the same area in Europe? Or my subjective estimate is just wrong.
Your are right, many people from Morocco who emigrated to the Netherlands and to some extent to Belgium are from the Rif region : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif which is predominantly Berber. In France the situation is different.
I did know that Arab/Berber is more a "class" and culture thing than a real ethnicity, but I didn't know it even applied to blacks.
Absolutly, its more of a cultural thing, there is no clear physical difference betwen so called "Arabs" and "Berber" in Morocco; the difference is more geographic I would say. People in the North whether they are Arabs or Berber tend to have a lighter skin than people in the South. As for Black Berber there are many in the south of Morocco in Marrakesh, Ouarzazate and the Draa region. Black Arabs are not really geographically located. There is a special Black group in Morocco called "Harratin" (agricultural labourer in Arabic) they are former slaves and lived initially mainly in the Tafilalet region and the south of Morocco, now everywere, most of them speak arabic, but I don't know if they consider themselves as Arabs.
in France you get the french citizenship in one of those cases.
1) Born anywhere in the world with one of you parents having the french citizenship, this called "droit du sang" (or the right to citizenship thanks to affiliation)
2) Born in France, whatever the citizenship of your parents is (this is : droit du sol, or jus soli : the right to citizenship thanks to the "soil")
3) Applying for citizneship, you need to have lived in France for at least 5 years, but partically you need at least 10 years.
4) Getting married to a french citizen (needs two years)
So yes many of kids in the riots are "technically" french, as to if other french people perceive them as such is another story.
This a semantic distinction. Traditionnaly in France, people from Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia are called "Maghrebian" (Maghrebins) or "North African" : politically correct or "Arabs" rather politically incorrect. African is used for Sub Saharan Africans.
The majority of Africans that immigrate into Europe are white Muslims from the North, and of those a minority speaks/is Arabic.
As a Moroccan, I would say that maybe from 40% to 60% of the people who emigrated from Morocco to Europe are Berber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber, Or Amazigh : free people, as they prefer to call themselves). In Morocco it's believed that about 40% of the population is still Berber (ie. live in predominantly Berber areas like the Atlas mountains, or has Beber as its native language). Note that this still a politically sensible subject in Morocco, although its slowly changing.
Many scholars believe that as much as 90% population of Morocco is in fact ethnically Berber, many have been arabized in the past by adopting arabic language and customs especially in some areas and in towns.
In Morocco you for instance find two different culturals groups: the Arabs and the Berber. Both are white. You distinguish the "Arabs" from the cities from the Berber by the mere fact that they speak a form of Arabic and are better educated.
Yes this is mostly correct, although you have also many blacks Arabs and blacks Berber in Morocco and lots of metis.
The Arabic conquest had only a superficial genetic impact on an already predominantly white population. The occurence of blue eyes in North Africa apparently even predates the Vandal invasion in the 5th century.
This is exact too, note that blacks were present in Morocco even before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_trade and slave trade.
Morocco is really like a kind of a little Brasil plus many Moroccans do really look like portugese, in my opinion Moroccans are genetically even closer to portugues than to spaniards.
You know, he has a pretty good track record of spotting trends and then capitalizing on them by getting books out about them
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Yes and everybody does this, and it's called Marketing. Technology itself is subject to fashion, trends, exactly the same way as any other culture or subcultrure; Ajax is an excellent example, hip and hype drive searchers and loboratories to new trends, now jargon, this is the way knowledge is structured. Eugene Garfield at the SCI (Science Citation Index) and people who have studied the sociology of scientific discovery and epistemology have studied these process thoroughly two decades ago.
Have a look, at my other post here : http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=163737&cid=13
Hey, as a starting point or casual reference, it's not bad. Your chances of finding inaccurate, incomplete, or misleading content on Wikipedia are no worse than your chance of finding it on a general Internet search.
You are right, I use Wikipedia a lot this way, especially for subjects I am not acquainted with. But an other real interest I find, is in fact the "meta information or structure", thanks to "hotlinks" and "categories" I can navigate quickly a subject I don't know nothing about, and have in a very short time a broad idea about it, and all this in the same place, really interesting.
I have really never been dispointed by Wikipedia so far, but I clearly don't use as my sole reference.
Wikipedia works best for geeky subjects.
Yes, Wikipedia reflects the interests of its readership, that's why it needs to attract people from different backgrounds, and I think that this is slowly happening, that's why the quality is improving en other areas.
This is good argument, Your are probably right. I live in Morocco and engineers have a rather decent pay compared to Lawyers and "some" doctors, and they are still highly regarded (for how long ?). Maybe we are still in the situation where the US was 20 ou 30 years ago.
An other important factor to consider is that lawyers and doctors are protected from international competition by the legal system, which is definetly not the case for programmers and (most) engineers.
It's just basic economic law.
There is some merit to what you say. I believe that open source as a sound development process has been way over hyped by ESR (Eric Raymond), who has done a terrific job in convincing business persons ad developers alike with his papers and thanks to his eloquence and enthusiasm. In practice, very few open source users contribute code, partly because it's very hard to understand code written by other which most of the time undocumented, or simply because they lack time, or have other priorities. Nearly all open source contributors are in fact paid by companies (IBM, Red Hat, Novell, Etc. for Linux), many Gnome and KDE hackers are also paid for their coding and so on. For an open source project to thrive in the long run it has to have a sound business model so he can pay contributors, he can't rely only volunteers to make it happen.
And what if ? the documents installed on the remote site are crypted and you private key is installed in YOUR computer !?
And why not TWO versions, one traditional and the other one AJAX based, but both allowing you to access your workspace everyware, that would be a killer in my opinion.
RI/MPAA tightens their control over the US politicians and more draconian laws get passed making potential IP violations federal felony offenses. The private prison industry experiences double-digit growth numbers year after year. Shareholders of content owners and private prison industries make a killing in the stock market.
I don't think this will ever happen, laws which are too harsh are never enforced, there is a basic principle in every judiciary (and democratic I might add) system is that the sanction must be proportional to the fault.
You need to identify the new concept and give it a new name to create a the buzz around and thus create an intellectual and economic activity around it. You need also to make-it hip to attract people. Many scholars argue, that the scientific innovation process is not very different from artistic creation (strong program), people need "hip" and "fashion", at any time, there is always more fashionable, sexy, hip, buzzword compliant technology (called it what you want) scientific approach than others, and this is exactly what is happening with AJAX now. Basically, scientific and and artistic innovation follow the same sociologic and cultural patterns. This area of research is called "Sociology of scientific Innovation", One of the most fascinating disciplines I have learned at the university
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Here are some entry links in Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology_of_scienti
and an intersting controversy :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Hoax
You are completely right, Linux distributions are more and more resembling kitchen sinks. Alas when you complain you often get the standard response choice is good, which seems to be the official mantra in the community.
What we need is just a minimal set of applications that do what we are expecting they will do, and do it very well, period.
Very funny :) In moroccan it would have been even less readable though !
modern things in general do use less resources.
You mean SUV ?
Well if you call little inconveniences being held in custody for 24h just because it happens that your name is "Khalid" or "Mohammed" to verify your identity, and that your are at risk of being held for months, well sorry I don't, this has happened to people I personally know.
On a side note, I believe that the US is great nation, but they are being hysterical and over-acting, they are heading in the wrong direction. They have spent billions of dollars in Irak believing they are fighting terrorism, and the result is that terrorism is more active than ever without any relief in sight. Imagine if those billions were spent to effectively help Africa or the Arab world how the image of America will be in those countries ? instead they have just managed to trigger the ire and wrath of the rest of the world.
It's a such pity that America just don't know how the rest of the world really is.
Very informed post indeed !
:)
Morocco entry in Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco, for those who want to know about the first country to have recognized the US