I think you are misunderstanding me. It's not about when you start shooting or what you shoot at. Its about when you stop shooting.
To end the threat you do the maxim about of damage possible in the time given. If that kills them, so be it.
But If it is obvious that they are no longer a threat you stop shooting, regardless if they are dead or not. If you continue to shoot them after they are no longer a threat, you are commuting a battery.
The key words in your post is "in general" I agree fully that you keep shooting till the threat ends that usually means more than 1 round. I had a couple of sgts get in a shootout with a wanted felon. They put about 30 rounds into the guy because even after he went down he kept firing rounds at them. They would put a few rounds in him, he would squeeze off a few rounds, wash rinse repeat until ol' boy stopped shooting.
But
When the threat ends, you stop shooting. If that means they drop after 1 shot (admittedly unlikely) you stop shooting.
I'm a police office and we are taught to shoot to end the threat. To use deadly force you need 3 things: >Means: they have to have the means to cause great bodily harm or death. >Ability: They must have the ability to cause great bodily harm or death. >Eminence: The threat must be eminent. If you don't have all three you don't have a deadly force situation. If the threat is no longer eminent, ie they turn tail and run, you don't have a deadly force situation. Being able to keep a clear head in a high stress situation and recognize if you have all three elements is the responsibility of carrying a firearm.
Shoot to kill gets you sued to. Wait till you get on the witness stand and the lawyer for the family of the person you shot is questioning you. "Sir is it true that you are a trained killer?" "Is it true that when you drew your weapon you intenteded to kill the only son of my client?" That shit looks really good in front of a jury.
Never confuse the training soldier gets with the training law enforcement gets. Just because both carry guns doesn't mean they're trained to use them the same way.
When you fire your weapon you should mean it. Don't shoot to injure or incapacitate. Shoot to kill.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You shoot to end the threat. If when all is said and done they are no longer metabolizing oxygen, fine. But if you plant a round center mass and they drop their weapon, turn tail, and run. You better cease fire, the threat has been stopped, cuz the next shot you fire they are the victim. You shoot to end the threat. You shoot to end the threat. You shoot to end the threat. You shoot to end the threat. You shoot to end the threat. You shoot to end the threat.
That's how you get research for peaceful purposes also. The ugly secret of humans is that porn and war drive many new technologies, if not most. Rather than fight it, take advantage of it.
I'm sorry, I swear I just read, "I want to die a horrible painful death for not knowing who one of the most creative members of my species was." But then I realized you were making a punctuation joke, so I'll scratch your name off the shotgun shells.
I call bullshit. I am a cop and I have had training on the subject and worked with officers whom have run chat room stings (I've not worked one myself). If the events transpired as you indicate then: A> The person you were chatting with was not a cop. B> The person you were chatting with was a cop, but shouldn't be because he's a FUCKING MORON.
Oh, and please read up on just what constitutes entrapment. What you describe is enticement, constitutional (if only just), and legal.
SU premiered right when I needed it. I had just moved to a new city half way across the county to be a Police Officer in a pretty rough area. I kind of related to the whole being away from family/ friends and not knowing if you were going to see them again.
Watching SU Saturday mornings on Hulu was one of the little things that kept me sane.
Also add a throbbing red light to the horn so it lights up the collector area of the dish at night. Then periodically go into you back yard and laugh maniacally and/ or clentch your fists in their general direction and say "soon".
That how I use to sneak into the house back in high-school. I'd coast my car into the driveway and slow walk across the lawn. A five count per step was slow enough to keep the motion light (that was aimed at my light sleeping parents bedroom) from going off.
they want their "future of desktop computing" back. Seriously, I remember talking with some IBM engineers back in high-school and they were so certain that thin clients were the hot new thing that would change the face of computing.
You want to know where to buy thin clients? Goto www.dell.com and buy the cheapest POS they have with a fast network card. Thin clients will always be a more expensive niche player to the PC. After all what is a thin client? A PC with no local storage that can only work if it has a network connection.
A zombie car is not one that you run after the warrantee runs out, it is a car that is at the end of its operational life. For example. I once had a 1985 Honda Accord. I bought it with 205000 miles on the clock for an amount of money that more than I should have paid. Among the problems it had or developed during my ownership were: *the engine ran on 3 of 4 cylinders *the radiator leaked *it burned a quart of oil every 200 miles *Under heavy braking it pulled to the right *the steering would suddenly and sharply turn in to the direction of turn causing the car the jerk *the synchromesh on 3rd was gone *the fuse that powered the dash board lights had a tendency to blow when it rained That car was at the end of it operational life. The warrantee had expired at 36000 miles in 1988 and the car was likely serviceable well into the late nineties but by the time I got it in 2001 it was a run-out wreck. Sure it would go down the road just fine but in hindsight that probably wasn't the best idea. The author of TFA is asserting that the plants are at the end of their operational life and need to be completely rebuilt or replaced. You are right that the author needs to provide more context about the maintenance / failures issues these plants are facing.
people said i was crazy when i talked about this a few years ago.
To be fair, at the time you were suffering from massive head trauma due to that skee ball accident. You said a lot of things. Yes, you were right about the supper caps. The quantum phase shifting nuns, not so much.
My point is, if Joe Shomo can figure out how a gen 1 atomic bomb is put together in his spare time, what can at team of scientists and engineers for whom national pride (and or personal safety) is on the table do?
Right, because nukes are so impossibly hard to build that a layman, say a truck driver, couldn't possibly figure out how gen 1 atomic bombs were constructed.
How to take things apart. That's the best thing my father ever taught me. Everything comes apart and is made of smaller pieces. He had a shelf of random carp at the back of his work shop, any time I was bored or started to get under foot he would pull something off and tell me to take it apart. Water pumps, electric motors, alarm clocks, radios, chain saws, whatever he had lying around. But the key to is was after I took it apart he would sit down with me and explain what each part did. By the age of five I had a very good handle of how things like internal combustion, electricity, and gear reductions worked. My advice, go to a thrift store and buy a bunch of old VCRs, radios, toaster ovens, and make the students take them apart and tell you how they work. I'd avoid any thing that has high power components like TVs and microwaves for the safety of your first time DIYers. Then save the parts and use them through out the class as teaching aids. Try to teach the idea of scavenging for parts by using those parts over and over again for future projects.
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Its a good thing I always light flares throw chaff when I toss off.
No kidding. What the hell kind of subcompact can blot out the sun and cause the tectonic plates to shift?
(sigh)
I miss my AMC Pacer.
thank you, thats the point I've been trying to make.
I think you are misunderstanding me.
It's not about when you start shooting or what you shoot at. Its about when you stop shooting.
To end the threat you do the maxim about of damage possible in the time given.
If that kills them, so be it.
But
If it is obvious that they are no longer a threat you stop shooting, regardless if they are dead or not.
If you continue to shoot them after they are no longer a threat, you are commuting a battery.
The key words in your post is "in general"
I agree fully that you keep shooting till the threat ends that usually means more than 1 round.
I had a couple of sgts get in a shootout with a wanted felon. They put about 30 rounds into the guy because even after he went down he kept firing rounds at them.
They would put a few rounds in him, he would squeeze off a few rounds, wash rinse repeat until ol' boy stopped shooting.
But
When the threat ends, you stop shooting. If that means they drop after 1 shot (admittedly unlikely) you stop shooting.
I'm a police office and we are taught to shoot to end the threat.
To use deadly force you need 3 things:
>Means: they have to have the means to cause great bodily harm or death.
>Ability: They must have the ability to cause great bodily harm or death.
>Eminence: The threat must be eminent.
If you don't have all three you don't have a deadly force situation.
If the threat is no longer eminent, ie they turn tail and run, you don't have a deadly force situation.
Being able to keep a clear head in a high stress situation and recognize if you have all three elements is the responsibility of carrying a firearm.
Shoot to kill gets you sued to.
Wait till you get on the witness stand and the lawyer for the family of the person you shot is questioning you.
"Sir is it true that you are a trained killer?"
"Is it true that when you drew your weapon you intenteded to kill the only son of my client?"
That shit looks really good in front of a jury.
Never confuse the training soldier gets with the training law enforcement gets. Just because both carry guns doesn't mean they're trained to use them the same way.
When you fire your weapon you should mean it. Don't shoot to injure or incapacitate. Shoot to kill.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You shoot to end the threat.
If when all is said and done they are no longer metabolizing oxygen, fine. But if you plant a round center mass and they drop their weapon, turn tail, and run. You better cease fire, the threat has been stopped, cuz the next shot you fire they are the victim.
You shoot to end the threat.
You shoot to end the threat.
You shoot to end the threat.
You shoot to end the threat.
You shoot to end the threat.
You shoot to end the threat.
That's how you get research for peaceful purposes also. The ugly secret of humans is that porn and war drive many new technologies, if not most. Rather than fight it, take advantage of it.
So how do you apply Rule 34 to anti-matter?
Actually, I'm pretty sure I don't want to know.
anti-proton vibrators, nuf said.
I'm sorry, I swear I just read, "I want to die a horrible painful death for not knowing who one of the most creative members of my species was."
But then I realized you were making a punctuation joke, so I'll scratch your name off the shotgun shells.
I call bullshit.
I am a cop and I have had training on the subject and worked with officers whom have run chat room stings (I've not worked one myself).
If the events transpired as you indicate then:
A> The person you were chatting with was not a cop.
B> The person you were chatting with was a cop, but shouldn't be because he's a FUCKING MORON.
Oh, and please read up on just what constitutes entrapment. What you describe is enticement, constitutional (if only just), and legal.
SU premiered right when I needed it. I had just moved to a new city half way across the county to be a Police Officer in a pretty rough area. I kind of related to the whole being away from family/ friends and not knowing if you were going to see them again.
Watching SU Saturday mornings on Hulu was one of the little things that kept me sane.
Also add a throbbing red light to the horn so it lights up the collector area of the dish at night.
Then periodically go into you back yard and laugh maniacally and/ or clentch your fists in their general direction and say "soon".
I've been saying something along those lines for years.
(unchecked immigration + american diet) + liposuction = cheep bio-diesel
That how I use to sneak into the house back in high-school. I'd coast my car into the driveway and slow walk across the lawn. A five count per step was slow enough to keep the motion light (that was aimed at my light sleeping parents bedroom) from going off.
they want their "future of desktop computing" back.
Seriously, I remember talking with some IBM engineers back in high-school and they were so certain that thin clients were the hot new thing that would change the face of computing.
You want to know where to buy thin clients? Goto www.dell.com and buy the cheapest POS they have with a fast network card. Thin clients will always be a more expensive niche player to the PC. After all what is a thin client? A PC with no local storage that can only work if it has a network connection.
A zombie car is not one that you run after the warrantee runs out, it is a car that is at the end of its operational life. For example.
I once had a 1985 Honda Accord. I bought it with 205000 miles on the clock for an amount of money that more than I should have paid. Among the problems it had or developed during my ownership were:
*the engine ran on 3 of 4 cylinders
*the radiator leaked
*it burned a quart of oil every 200 miles
*Under heavy braking it pulled to the right
*the steering would suddenly and sharply turn in to the direction of turn causing the car the jerk
*the synchromesh on 3rd was gone
*the fuse that powered the dash board lights had a tendency to blow when it rained
That car was at the end of it operational life. The warrantee had expired at 36000 miles in 1988 and the car was likely serviceable well into the late nineties but by the time I got it in 2001 it was a run-out wreck. Sure it would go down the road just fine but in hindsight that probably wasn't the best idea.
The author of TFA is asserting that the plants are at the end of their operational life and need to be completely rebuilt or replaced. You are right that the author needs to provide more context about the maintenance / failures issues these plants are facing.
and in some parts of northern California bay area.
people said i was crazy when i talked about this a few years ago.
To be fair, at the time you were suffering from massive head trauma due to that skee ball accident. You said a lot of things. Yes, you were right about the supper caps. The quantum phase shifting nuns, not so much.
My point is, if Joe Shomo can figure out how a gen 1 atomic bomb is put together in his spare time, what can at team of scientists and engineers for whom national pride (and or personal safety) is on the table do?
Dude, I totally see why you posted AC, but bang F@$k on man.
Right, because nukes are so impossibly hard to build that a layman, say a truck driver, couldn't possibly figure out how gen 1 atomic bombs were constructed.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_samuels
How to take things apart. That's the best thing my father ever taught me. Everything comes apart and is made of smaller pieces. He had a shelf of random carp at the back of his work shop, any time I was bored or started to get under foot he would pull something off and tell me to take it apart. Water pumps, electric motors, alarm clocks, radios, chain saws, whatever he had lying around. But the key to is was after I took it apart he would sit down with me and explain what each part did. By the age of five I had a very good handle of how things like internal combustion, electricity, and gear reductions worked.
My advice, go to a thrift store and buy a bunch of old VCRs, radios, toaster ovens, and make the students take them apart and tell you how they work. I'd avoid any thing that has high power components like TVs and microwaves for the safety of your first time DIYers. Then save the parts and use them through out the class as teaching aids. Try to teach the idea of scavenging for parts by using those parts over and over again for future projects.
I told my family and friends something similar. "Strip me for parts like I'm an 82' Chevy truck and burn the rest."
Care to back those claims up, maybe a link or to?
You've obviously never been to Florida in august.