I guess this kind of article isn't looked very well upon, but it is pretty relevant for a lot of Linux users out there, like it or not.
Linux does offer a splendid environment for network related serving/daemons and programming. However, there are lots of Linux users out there who do not use it for these purposes. They, in it's current state, use Linux for web browsing, MP3 playing/ripping, graphics work, text editing, occasionally word processing/spreadsheets. Some like a desktop environment, others prefer window managers like Window Maker by themselves. In any event, there are problems. as I see them:
1. Desktop environments. Not everyone likes KDE. I personally do not; KDE is overbearing. GNOME is dead, like it or not. When the file browser GNOME settled on takes up 75% of CPU time when it does not even have a window open there is obviously a problem.
2. Productivity software. Where is it? Openoffice lost several components that Staroffice had and doesn't seem to be making a great deal of progress. Corel's commitment is more or less dead. All the other choices are half-assed, including Applixware.
3. Web browsing. I am tired of people thinking what is available is acceptable. I am tired of the sheep bleating mentality: "Oh, you dislike Mozilla. You're uninformed." Give me a fucking break. Mozilla is awful, people, and I don't know how people can speak well for it when it runs so poorly and crashes all the time. Alternatives are Opera (equally awful, and payware), Konqueror (decent), Nescape 4.7 (nowhere) and other miscallenous programs.
4. All the others, CODECs, etc. There are so many applications out there that we don't have anything close to. So many file formats we can't view.
In short, I guess my point is Linux is a niche player at this point and time. We have heard people state Linux will advance on the desktop... "just give it time." Well, we heard that crap 2 years ago and I'm tired of waiting. While I'm sure it doesn't matter to a lot of the more "hardcore" Linux users out there -- and probably makes some glad a lot of people will be leaving so it can regain it's coolness through obscurity -- I certainly don't plan on staying with an operating system that doesn't grow with me. There are alternatives out there. And the "hey, this is nifty" crap is starting to be outweighed by the "hey, I need some better applications."
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Flabdabb Hubbard is a well known troll. Infact, every message he posts here is a troll. Please do not feed him.
This garbage is a troll, but I'm inclined to reply because I see lots of people with the "MS EVIL! MS EVIL!" mentality running rampant. That is becoming very monotonous.
I'd like to point out as others have before that Linux didn't get where it was by competing against Microsoft. And, for that matter, neither did any of the other countless quality open source projects/programs out there that cannot be taken away.
Also, Linux hasn't failed as a gaming platform. The fact that there are a few games that actually exist for it and speak pretty well for it kind of invalidates your unfounded proclaimation. It hasn't failed by my standards in that there have been quality products instead of absolutely nothing. You must have a pretty warped set of standards for Linux if you expect an operating system of its nature to have even 25% of the library of games dependent on Windows and its proprietary gaming graphics/sound/input/etc API.
To say X Windows isn't useful and needs to go is really complete disregard of the facts at hand. Look at the 4.0.x branch. It runs games, is very fast, and is gaining ground in terms of video card support. I remember when I first got ahold of 4.0.0 and owned an S3 Virge -- even with that card the speed improvement was stupendous. It is quite a revolutionary step from the 3.3.x branch. If your card isn't supported, too bad. You should have checked into it before you went out and purchased. Before you point out that's too operating system specific I think it's obvious kernel developers haven't expended the time and energy to add support for DRI in some of the other operating systems -- X Window developers would likely be very willing to help (and there has been work done with FreeBSD DRI. It is last time I checked agknowledgably very difficult to track down; this will likely change when FreeBSD-5.x goes stable/release.
Second, where are the other windowing projects? Berlin seems rather incomplete. They aren't around because no one has demanded otherwise. You are in the minority with your opinion. There are lots of people who use some of the more obscure "academic" aspects of the X Windows system. For the embedded systems the argument all the extra isn't needed may hold -- and we are seeing use of modified toolkits working with the frame buffer -- but for most modern non-scribble-pad systems that do useful stuff it doesn't hold.
Lastly, you say a standard should be settled upon for the GUI. That would mean all developers would have to agree to develop for this specific toolkit. That sounds like taking away freedom of choice which is undisputably one of the major reasons people work with UNIX/LINUX in the first place. Even then if a strict standard was to be proposed it would only be that, a strict standard proposed -- you can't exactly FORCE it, X Windows in its current incanation doesn't dissapear and the X/MOTIF apps people use would still be X/MOTIF apps until the companies would rewrite them (which I don't think is likely. If something ain't broke...)
I don't think this opinion is insightful at all and is very tired and redundant as we have heard it far too many times.
First off, I really have to disagree with you. Mainly because you can't market something when there IS NO MARKET in the first place. Most consumers out there will default to the operating system their computer came with -- for lots of reasons, not just it being "easier and cheaper." One of those main reasons is compatibility with apps on the market. There has to be a pretty damn inspiring reason to ditch the ability to run stuff that "everyone else" is running and a non-free single-user/non UNIX OS doesn't really encompass much, IMO. OS/2 had a few good apps for it but by and by it was left out in the cold. You really aren't going to arouse any excitment in advertising when there isn't much to advertise in the first place -- that is certainly not to say OS/2 didn't have some unique high qualities to it, but how many of those qualities would appeal to most people?
Second, project ODIN or something along that general line of speak exists as a free project for OS/2 that enables it to run 32 bit Windows 95 compat binaries.
Lastly, OS/2/this new arguably stupid named incanation is really targeted to a niche market.
... How many times is this whole topic going to be hashed out? Furthermore, when are people going to see that certain things can only be seen in shades of grey?
Much worse, the argument in this current rant is very weak; not real UNIX because the Open Group is hasn't received money from Apple for their use of the fucking U word, otherwise known as registration? Give me a break. It makes no mention of POSIX complaince, software compatibility or the presence of Apple's proprietary one of a kind GUI, and those are REAL issues rather then this kind of a trite, petty conclusion.
Umm, what exactly was so "personal" about that attack? Granted, it smacked of hostility, but it certainly wasn't something personal he was pointing out about Mundie.
Are icons supposed to be perfectly civil and shining examples of human beings? They can't always be. From the concentrated messages I have seen on the kernel mailing list, Linus strikes me as a rather direct fellow who often can be rather crass. You really shouldn't expect that much from him in the way of politeness. If someone pisses him off, it becomes fairly evident.
Speedstream efficient networks DSL modem, the one I got, is USB based. That means no Linux, FreeBSD, any sort of UNIX support. One i bought off Ebay was an older Infospeed modem that interfaces to an ethernet card. I *HAD* to buy it because Pacific Bell (god, what a horrid experience I did have with them on DSL...it just wouldn't work for anything) wouldn't supply me with one that interfaced with ethernet.
True, they don't go much for ebay anymore. What I paid $70 for goes for about $30-$45 now. Everyone sees the new models with the higher speed ratings, and some people question compatibility. I'd be willing to bet the older ones work fine. Besides, how much speed do you really expect to get with the basic level of service?
Anyway, the point I'm making is with so many DSL providers providing Windows centric modems (thus, I choose cable, seeing the rotten state Pacific Bell was in) they are of atleast SOME value to users of UNIX workstations/servers.
One of the biggest ideals of free software is CHOICE. This whole law or passage would be a contradiction to what free software is actually about.
This certainly shouldn't be considered a win for free software because it doesn't respect the values thereof. All it is is force-feeding.
Merit of software may be heightened by it being fiscally burden free. Yeah, and so what? Is that the only thing that matters? (That question doesn't even deserve an answer these days -- ever gone a few minutes without thinking about money?) This whole thing seems silly to me.
"If you're suggesting that Nautilus was badly written, please come up with some *facts*"
Sorry, but you completely misinterpreted the part of my message having mentioned lots of programmers have had to work with stuff that is above their head for one reason or another. I wasn't singling out Nautilus. And, to further clear matters, I wasn't flaming it 100% -- I respect ANYONE who can create even if they don't do it perfectly (though that doesn't mean I'll use it!) -- I was flaming it though.
"The opposite is true. Nautilus really is a component container, exactly like Evolution. Check this."
Again, you seem to have misunderstood my point (and your link doesn't reveal anything of significance to me, either, but mabye I'm just not "in" enough.) With Nautilus including all these functions OTHER programs can (and should) provide it it seems kind of redundant, the very thing Miguel was complaining about. I don't care if I seem to be misquoting him -- I respect him too! -- but as for "well, we're talking reuse of components in this case," bull shit, sounds pretty much philosophy derived from the UNIX way of doing things. And the UNIX way of doing things is certainly nothing new.
However, I do think if a program can contain a small enough footprint then hell, who cares about the rule? Konquerer is a good example of this BECAUSE it runs beautifully compared to lots of other alternatives out there. Breaking the "rule" is justified in some cases... When it doesn't harm the actual operation of the computer. Nautilus isn't at that point yet, and from the sound of the article might not reach it.
I follow LINUX, have for awhile, and I get tired of hearing apologists of certain programs with their piss poor arguments (and I'm not pointing you out.) Just because it is on a free platform, it is free, etc, does NOT mean it deserves positive recognition.
I kind of agree with the general sentiment about GNOME core =/ Eazel. And that is harming to GNOME in a sense. Why shouldn't the GNOME team be handling the file manager? Is it that difficult of a burden without all these bells and whistles? Why, exactly, was work on GMC just given up on?
A few more menu options, tweaks and GMC could be a worthy competitor. (GNOME's team seems to be focusing more on framework/libaries then anything else, aside from the applets, taskbar, etc.)
The fact Nautilus wants to have a bit of a commercial venue with services on the side isn't very enthralling, IMHO, nor does it seem very promising for future development of Nautilus. Linux desktop, despite cries from the rampant advocates, is such a niche market compared to the Linux server one. Granted, if Nautilus was to dissolve that code would become the world's, but would outside programmers be able to catch onto it and take off from where they left off? I'm sure plenty of programmers out there have seen a plenthora of programs that are poorly commented, poorly put together...
Also, I agree with people who state Nautilus has too many features. And it does. If I want thumbnails I'll load up an image program. If I want web browsing I'll load up Netscape 4.77 (which works a hell of a lot better then the majority of other options.) If I want... well, you get the idea. I know I can turn it off, but that seems to be it's claim to faim and all that code is still in the program. People are all telling us: Oh, give it a chance. They've been saying that same monotonous shit toward Mozilla for YEARS, now -- the web browser that commands more respect with regard to it's existence rather then it's actual performance and usability -- and it still isn't usable on a earlier Pentium, compiled -O3 no debug executable included. I've also said it before but I'll say it again: With Miguel proclaiming "Let's Make Unix Suck Less" [via making everything more componentized, or, hell, the UNIX philosophy in general] the whole Nautilus idea is this complete contradiction toward what he supposedly believes in.
I would sure dislike switching to KDE, though I do have respect for it -- very professional. For one, I can't stand the WM and the looks of lots of other things -- I know that is trivial, but it means a lot to me. Second, I don't like having to have two toolkits running despite how cheap RAM may be. I have always followed GNOME, but I find it disheartening that Naitulis is being so embraced when many Linux systems out there aren't the P4-Geforce2 machines made for gaming.
What a load of shit. And modded as +4... just goes to show you it's all in the UID. If someone with a greater UID was saying this it would be nothing more then -1, Shit.
Continue to draw generalizations about Linux users and all the while wonder why Linux doesn't catch on -- mabye it's generalizations that are doing it rather then the actual userbase. Claim it isn't putting out games fast enough, nevermind there is only one company actually working on that. State it needs DirectX -- who cares if that library is almost 100% controlled by Microsoft and attached to Windows -- and back that up with "now even consoles are getting it" (yeah, microsoft consoles.)
Linux can't become mainstream with the magical wave of a wand (much as mandrake would have us believe.) It takes lots of work. But I also do not think it is completely fair to say it needs to become "mainstream." Why? There are certain reasons it will never become "mainstream" it can't get around! There is no way they can be fixed. Certain aspects of the system can get fixed, but by and by the things this person is complaining about -- ie, it not being able to do what Windows does with certain apps -- are not things that can be remedied, atleast right away. Mabye not even EVER.
This is a complete troll. Ironic thing is, while this person may have been admirable for being around from the beginning he still makes sloppy, shoddy and poor declarations about users and conditions of a particular operating system and in the parent ultimately doesn't have anymore insight then the most insipid warez kiddie he claims to despise.
Ever since I spotted the red bouncy ball clippy (one of the animations available) I have always felt differently about him. The red bouncy ball one had this smile -- one that told you how much he wanted to care along with this sad undertone, kind of conveying he had a bit of self-awareness -- and made my bad feelings toward clippy completely diminish. I know it sounds lame and corny, but the red bouncy ball one always struck me as adorable.
The paperclip one.... that i didn't care for. Things have to be fucking cute to make it. If the Imac looked like a K-mart Sanyo TV/VCR combo Apple would be in the REAL Shithouse.
Oh, yes, what a highly insightful post. We urgently need some obscure OS (even moreso then the UNIX variants out there) to save us from all the horrible wrong involved with running what we currently are. Nevermind it has no software applications, no drivers, no large userbase.... That's just the price of being a revolutionary!
Since the actual transplant requires a complacent enough body, this doesn't seem to have any practical application under most circumstances. How does one stumble upon the body... isn't rejuvination an issue?? that is, in my opinion, why this stuff will be considered science fiction.
OTOH, I don't think this is the most credible source: "The arguments against head and brain transplants were outlined by Dr Stephen Rose, director of brain and behavioural research at the Open University." This sounds like a euphemism for head-shrink leader. I wouldn't expect a very open minded response regarding what is essentially an "evil" can of worms being opened from anyone other then the most liberal minded of scientists. Nor do I see this as "wrong", as it's just an experiment.
If the fact an operating system can attract certain members that just aren't up to your definition of cool, it somehow invalidates *YOUR* and everyone elses legimate use of it? I don't think so! Sorry, but that's the most utterly superficial shit one can spout off here, and very tongue in cheek if ya want my opinion: "ooohh GNO the script kiddies are using my OS of choice!!!! must stop them somehow!!!! losing my own sense of eliteness!@!!!!"
Heh. I've experienced quite the same. It pisses people off when they write something they put a lot of thought into, only to find one of the "regs" or the usual pattern of bullshit getting the points. And you know what I hate most? When you reply to someone who can moderate ya down... and they do just that because they know you invalidated what they said and thus want to purge the last True Word (tm) right off the face of earth into the scourge of trolls. For the fucking record, I read -1.99 nested (I sure wish the bored crapflooders would find something more constructive to do with their time, but I guess that's part of fame.) But, I look at it like a game you just can't touch. I never played Street Fighter when I was a kid... Why? Cuz I didn't want to feed a machine quarters or take an interest in that shit. Those rough in speak will tell ya the lottery is a tax on nigger (pardon me if I offended ya, but that's the way they put it.) if that's true then Slashdot is a tax on nerd.
Funny and comforting thing about that is, just like the arcade machines that live the pizza joint that were right next to the bathroom...... High scores can dissapear. So can the players before the machine actually leaves because they get tired of "the game." But, the question that thus arises is just so obvious I almost hate to spell it out: "Is Slashdot Immortal?" I can only wonder what this place will be like in ten years. Anyway, I'm not too big on "karma" or any of that shit -- when you debunk it for what it is it just seems boring and a stupid judge of character, like how fast and right you can hit the moves for Bison. And that's right no piss-poor analogy.
The whole cliche thing about coffee spilling on someone's crotch making them a million is very funny if you want my opinion. And I'm not talking about the outcome of the case -- I'm talking about just the very proposterious nature of things that can be brought into court in general or threatened to be. Just because they can bring something into court means dick. There are good public defenders out there, believe it or not, and a judge would hopefully be sound after all that schooling. What I'm saying is, I don't think intimidation or bringing someone into court means shit unless they can back the whole thing up with some meat.
Certain incidents may seem incredibly fascist -- ie. the whole DeCSS thing -- but when one considers that "key" is licensed out for big bucks uncovering it through questionable means can be deemed stealing. I'm not saying I agree with that case -- or that the guy deserves even community service! Just saying that some stuff can be backed up like that case... I don't think the DMCA/RIAA are buying his persecution, I think it's being bought indirectly because of the circumstances the whole thing is under (like i've read, major amounts of money for license to that key)
Umm, this doesn't sound entirely out of the question to me.
They have something that does TCP/IP over e-mail, of all things. Getting into the network stack wouldn't be *that* difficult, unless you lacked root on the box. It seems less viable, though, when taking into consideration often environments in which strict Tcp access controls are implemented very rarely can administrator access be had on the users NT machine.
While it may just be an RFC, it still could be implemented. It struck me as kind of neat. What seems so outrageous about it?
What was I going to say... Oh, yeah, prepostorious... the US maintains such an orderly cover; what lies underneath is unimportant, aside from the bomb. The bomb controls everything.
Here's an entertaining website: http://www.kavkaz.org/
this is as close to the subject as I can get...Want to see a somewhat modern day war and the voice of the attacked? English translations are decent enough... Anyway, the Chechen republic sure seems to be in a state of chaos. There is quite a funny picture on the website: a gun on the page of Islamic religion information.
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Oh, fuck off, you little pissant. You don't need to glaze your message over with hosility; ie "The BSD community is thriving without people like you..." as it just shows how prejudiced a lot of people out there are.
My message wasn't a flame at all and that's about all yours was. I recognized the finer points of FreeBSD whereas all you can do is denounce Linux along more general lines ("Last I checked Linux only has a 1% market.)
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I guess this kind of article isn't looked very well upon, but it is pretty relevant for a lot of Linux users out there, like it or not.
... "just give it time." Well, we heard that crap 2 years ago and I'm tired of waiting. While I'm sure it doesn't matter to a lot of the more "hardcore" Linux users out there -- and probably makes some glad a lot of people will be leaving so it can regain it's coolness through obscurity -- I certainly don't plan on staying with an operating system that doesn't grow with me. There are alternatives out there. And the "hey, this is nifty" crap is starting to be outweighed by the "hey, I need some better applications."
Linux does offer a splendid environment for network related serving/daemons and programming. However, there are lots of Linux users out there who do not use it for these purposes. They, in it's current state, use Linux for web browsing, MP3 playing/ripping, graphics work, text editing, occasionally word processing/spreadsheets. Some like a desktop environment, others prefer window managers like Window Maker by themselves. In any event, there are problems. as I see them:
1. Desktop environments. Not everyone likes KDE. I personally do not; KDE is overbearing. GNOME is dead, like it or not. When the file browser GNOME settled on takes up 75% of CPU time when it does not even have a window open there is obviously a problem.
2. Productivity software. Where is it? Openoffice lost several components that Staroffice had and doesn't seem to be making a great deal of progress. Corel's commitment is more or less dead. All the other choices are half-assed, including Applixware.
3. Web browsing. I am tired of people thinking what is available is acceptable. I am tired of the sheep bleating mentality: "Oh, you dislike Mozilla. You're uninformed." Give me a fucking break. Mozilla is awful, people, and I don't know how people can speak well for it when it runs so poorly and crashes all the time. Alternatives are Opera (equally awful, and payware), Konqueror (decent), Nescape 4.7 (nowhere) and other miscallenous programs.
4. All the others, CODECs, etc. There are so many applications out there that we don't have anything close to. So many file formats we can't view.
In short, I guess my point is Linux is a niche player at this point and time. We have heard people state Linux will advance on the desktop
Flabdabb Hubbard is a well known troll. Infact, every message he posts here is a troll. Please do not feed him.
This garbage is a troll, but I'm inclined to reply because I see lots of people with the "MS EVIL! MS EVIL!" mentality running rampant. That is becoming very monotonous.
I'd like to point out as others have before that Linux didn't get where it was by competing against Microsoft. And, for that matter, neither did any of the other countless quality open source projects/programs out there that cannot be taken away.
Also, Linux hasn't failed as a gaming platform. The fact that there are a few games that actually exist for it and speak pretty well for it kind of invalidates your unfounded proclaimation. It hasn't failed by my standards in that there have been quality products instead of absolutely nothing. You must have a pretty warped set of standards for Linux if you expect an operating system of its nature to have even 25% of the library of games dependent on Windows and its proprietary gaming graphics/sound/input/etc API.
To say X Windows isn't useful and needs to go is really complete disregard of the facts at hand. Look at the 4.0.x branch. It runs games, is very fast, and is gaining ground in terms of video card support. I remember when I first got ahold of 4.0.0 and owned an S3 Virge -- even with that card the speed improvement was stupendous. It is quite a revolutionary step from the 3.3.x branch. If your card isn't supported, too bad. You should have checked into it before you went out and purchased. Before you point out that's too operating system specific I think it's obvious kernel developers haven't expended the time and energy to add support for DRI in some of the other operating systems -- X Window developers would likely be very willing to help (and there has been work done with FreeBSD DRI. It is last time I checked agknowledgably very difficult to track down; this will likely change when FreeBSD-5.x goes stable/release.
Second, where are the other windowing projects? Berlin seems rather incomplete. They aren't around because no one has demanded otherwise. You are in the minority with your opinion. There are lots of people who use some of the more obscure "academic" aspects of the X Windows system. For the embedded systems the argument all the extra isn't needed may hold -- and we are seeing use of modified toolkits working with the frame buffer -- but for most modern non-scribble-pad systems that do useful stuff it doesn't hold.
Lastly, you say a standard should be settled upon for the GUI. That would mean all developers would have to agree to develop for this specific toolkit. That sounds like taking away freedom of choice which is undisputably one of the major reasons people work with UNIX/LINUX in the first place. Even then if a strict standard was to be proposed it would only be that, a strict standard proposed -- you can't exactly FORCE it, X Windows in its current incanation doesn't dissapear and the X/MOTIF apps people use would still be X/MOTIF apps until the companies would rewrite them (which I don't think is likely. If something ain't broke...)
I don't think this opinion is insightful at all and is very tired and redundant as we have heard it far too many times.
First off, I really have to disagree with you. Mainly because you can't market something when there IS NO MARKET in the first place. Most consumers out there will default to the operating system their computer came with -- for lots of reasons, not just it being "easier and cheaper." One of those main reasons is compatibility with apps on the market. There has to be a pretty damn inspiring reason to ditch the ability to run stuff that "everyone else" is running and a non-free single-user/non UNIX OS doesn't really encompass much, IMO. OS/2 had a few good apps for it but by and by it was left out in the cold. You really aren't going to arouse any excitment in advertising when there isn't much to advertise in the first place -- that is certainly not to say OS/2 didn't have some unique high qualities to it, but how many of those qualities would appeal to most people?
Second, project ODIN or something along that general line of speak exists as a free project for OS/2 that enables it to run 32 bit Windows 95 compat binaries.
Lastly, OS/2/this new arguably stupid named incanation is really targeted to a niche market.
... How many times is this whole topic going to be hashed out? Furthermore, when are people going to see that certain things can only be seen in shades of grey?
Much worse, the argument in this current rant is very weak; not real UNIX because the Open Group is hasn't received money from Apple for their use of the fucking U word, otherwise known as registration? Give me a break. It makes no mention of POSIX complaince, software compatibility or the presence of Apple's proprietary one of a kind GUI, and those are REAL issues rather then this kind of a trite, petty conclusion.
Umm, what exactly was so "personal" about that attack? Granted, it smacked of hostility, but it certainly wasn't something personal he was pointing out about Mundie.
Are icons supposed to be perfectly civil and shining examples of human beings? They can't always be. From the concentrated messages I have seen on the kernel mailing list, Linus strikes me as a rather direct fellow who often can be rather crass. You really shouldn't expect that much from him in the way of politeness. If someone pisses him off, it becomes fairly evident.
Speedstream efficient networks DSL modem, the one I got, is USB based. That means no Linux, FreeBSD, any sort of UNIX support. One i bought off Ebay was an older Infospeed modem that interfaces to an ethernet card. I *HAD* to buy it because Pacific Bell (god, what a horrid experience I did have with them on DSL...it just wouldn't work for anything) wouldn't supply me with one that interfaced with ethernet.
True, they don't go much for ebay anymore. What I paid $70 for goes for about $30-$45 now. Everyone sees the new models with the higher speed ratings, and some people question compatibility. I'd be willing to bet the older ones work fine. Besides, how much speed do you really expect to get with the basic level of service?
Anyway, the point I'm making is with so many DSL providers providing Windows centric modems (thus, I choose cable, seeing the rotten state Pacific Bell was in) they are of atleast SOME value to users of UNIX workstations/servers.
One of the biggest ideals of free software is CHOICE. This whole law or passage would be a contradiction to what free software is actually about.
This certainly shouldn't be considered a win for free software because it doesn't respect the values thereof. All it is is force-feeding.
Merit of software may be heightened by it being fiscally burden free. Yeah, and so what? Is that the only thing that matters? (That question doesn't even deserve an answer these days -- ever gone a few minutes without thinking about money?) This whole thing seems silly to me.
Damn, you really hit the nail on the head in terms of looks.
Another thing I hate is you can't double size icons in KDE on the main panel menu like you can with GNOME's footprint menu!
"If you're suggesting that Nautilus was badly written, please come up with some *facts*"
Sorry, but you completely misinterpreted the part of my message having mentioned lots of programmers have had to work with stuff that is above their head for one reason or another. I wasn't singling out Nautilus. And, to further clear matters, I wasn't flaming it 100% -- I respect ANYONE who can create even if they don't do it perfectly (though that doesn't mean I'll use it!) -- I was flaming it though.
"The opposite is true. Nautilus really is a component container, exactly like Evolution. Check this."
Again, you seem to have misunderstood my point (and your link doesn't reveal anything of significance to me, either, but mabye I'm just not "in" enough.) With Nautilus including all these functions OTHER programs can (and should) provide it it seems kind of redundant, the very thing Miguel was complaining about. I don't care if I seem to be misquoting him -- I respect him too! -- but as for "well, we're talking reuse of components in this case," bull shit, sounds pretty much philosophy derived from the UNIX way of doing things. And the UNIX way of doing things is certainly nothing new.
However, I do think if a program can contain a small enough footprint then hell, who cares about the rule? Konquerer is a good example of this BECAUSE it runs beautifully compared to lots of other alternatives out there. Breaking the "rule" is justified in some cases... When it doesn't harm the actual operation of the computer. Nautilus isn't at that point yet, and from the sound of the article might not reach it.
I follow LINUX, have for awhile, and I get tired of hearing apologists of certain programs with their piss poor arguments (and I'm not pointing you out.) Just because it is on a free platform, it is free, etc, does NOT mean it deserves positive recognition.
I kind of agree with the general sentiment about GNOME core =/ Eazel. And that is harming to GNOME in a sense. Why shouldn't the GNOME team be handling the file manager? Is it that difficult of a burden without all these bells and whistles? Why, exactly, was work on GMC just given up on?
A few more menu options, tweaks and GMC could be a worthy competitor. (GNOME's team seems to be focusing more on framework/libaries then anything else, aside from the applets, taskbar, etc.)
The fact Nautilus wants to have a bit of a commercial venue with services on the side isn't very enthralling, IMHO, nor does it seem very promising for future development of Nautilus. Linux desktop, despite cries from the rampant advocates, is such a niche market compared to the Linux server one. Granted, if Nautilus was to dissolve that code would become the world's, but would outside programmers be able to catch onto it and take off from where they left off? I'm sure plenty of programmers out there have seen a plenthora of programs that are poorly commented, poorly put together...
Also, I agree with people who state Nautilus has too many features. And it does. If I want thumbnails I'll load up an image program. If I want web browsing I'll load up Netscape 4.77 (which works a hell of a lot better then the majority of other options.) If I want... well, you get the idea. I know I can turn it off, but that seems to be it's claim to faim and all that code is still in the program. People are all telling us: Oh, give it a chance. They've been saying that same monotonous shit toward Mozilla for YEARS, now -- the web browser that commands more respect with regard to it's existence rather then it's actual performance and usability -- and it still isn't usable on a earlier Pentium, compiled -O3 no debug executable included. I've also said it before but I'll say it again: With Miguel proclaiming "Let's Make Unix Suck Less" [via making everything more componentized, or, hell, the UNIX philosophy in general] the whole Nautilus idea is this complete contradiction toward what he supposedly believes in.
I would sure dislike switching to KDE, though I do have respect for it -- very professional. For one, I can't stand the WM and the looks of lots of other things -- I know that is trivial, but it means a lot to me. Second, I don't like having to have two toolkits running despite how cheap RAM may be. I have always followed GNOME, but I find it disheartening that Naitulis is being so embraced when many Linux systems out there aren't the P4-Geforce2 machines made for gaming.
What a load of shit. And modded as +4... just goes to show you it's all in the UID. If someone with a greater UID was saying this it would be nothing more then -1, Shit.
Continue to draw generalizations about Linux users and all the while wonder why Linux doesn't catch on -- mabye it's generalizations that are doing it rather then the actual userbase. Claim it isn't putting out games fast enough, nevermind there is only one company actually working on that. State it needs DirectX -- who cares if that library is almost 100% controlled by Microsoft and attached to Windows -- and back that up with "now even consoles are getting it" (yeah, microsoft consoles.)
Linux can't become mainstream with the magical wave of a wand (much as mandrake would have us believe.) It takes lots of work. But I also do not think it is completely fair to say it needs to become "mainstream." Why? There are certain reasons it will never become "mainstream" it can't get around! There is no way they can be fixed. Certain aspects of the system can get fixed, but by and by the things this person is complaining about -- ie, it not being able to do what Windows does with certain apps -- are not things that can be remedied, atleast right away. Mabye not even EVER.
This is a complete troll. Ironic thing is, while this person may have been admirable for being around from the beginning he still makes sloppy, shoddy and poor declarations about users and conditions of a particular operating system and in the parent ultimately doesn't have anymore insight then the most insipid warez kiddie he claims to despise.
You know, I have to say it.
Ever since I spotted the red bouncy ball clippy (one of the animations available) I have always felt differently about him. The red bouncy ball one had this smile -- one that told you how much he wanted to care along with this sad undertone, kind of conveying he had a bit of self-awareness -- and made my bad feelings toward clippy completely diminish. I know it sounds lame and corny, but the red bouncy ball one always struck me as adorable.
The paperclip one.... that i didn't care for. Things have to be fucking cute to make it. If the Imac looked like a K-mart Sanyo TV/VCR combo Apple would be in the REAL Shithouse.
Oh, yes, what a highly insightful post. We urgently need some obscure OS (even moreso then the UNIX variants out there) to save us from all the horrible wrong involved with running what we currently are. Nevermind it has no software applications, no drivers, no large userbase.... That's just the price of being a revolutionary!
Since the actual transplant requires a complacent enough body, this doesn't seem to have any practical application under most circumstances. How does one stumble upon the body... isn't rejuvination an issue?? that is, in my opinion, why this stuff will be considered science fiction.
OTOH, I don't think this is the most credible source: "The arguments against head and brain transplants were outlined by Dr Stephen Rose, director of brain and behavioural research at the Open University." This sounds like a euphemism for head-shrink leader. I wouldn't expect a very open minded response regarding what is essentially an "evil" can of worms being opened from anyone other then the most liberal minded of scientists. Nor do I see this as "wrong", as it's just an experiment.
You're full of shit.
If the fact an operating system can attract certain members that just aren't up to your definition of cool, it somehow invalidates *YOUR* and everyone elses legimate use of it? I don't think so! Sorry, but that's the most utterly superficial shit one can spout off here, and very tongue in cheek if ya want my opinion: "ooohh GNO the script kiddies are using my OS of choice!!!! must stop them somehow!!!! losing my own sense of eliteness!@!!!!"
See how assinine you sound? I thought so.
Heh. I've experienced quite the same. It pisses people off when they write something they put a lot of thought into, only to find one of the "regs" or the usual pattern of bullshit getting the points. And you know what I hate most? When you reply to someone who can moderate ya down... and they do just that because they know you invalidated what they said and thus want to purge the last True Word (tm) right off the face of earth into the scourge of trolls. For the fucking record, I read -1.99 nested (I sure wish the bored crapflooders would find something more constructive to do with their time, but I guess that's part of fame.) But, I look at it like a game you just can't touch. I never played Street Fighter when I was a kid... Why? Cuz I didn't want to feed a machine quarters or take an interest in that shit. Those rough in speak will tell ya the lottery is a tax on nigger (pardon me if I offended ya, but that's the way they put it.) if that's true then Slashdot is a tax on nerd.
...... High scores can dissapear. So can the players before the machine actually leaves because they get tired of "the game." But, the question that thus arises is just so obvious I almost hate to spell it out: "Is Slashdot Immortal?" I can only wonder what this place will be like in ten years. Anyway, I'm not too big on "karma" or any of that shit -- when you debunk it for what it is it just seems boring and a stupid judge of character, like how fast and right you can hit the moves for Bison. And that's right no piss-poor analogy.
Funny and comforting thing about that is, just like the arcade machines that live the pizza joint that were right next to the bathroom
The whole cliche thing about coffee spilling on someone's crotch making them a million is very funny if you want my opinion. And I'm not talking about the outcome of the case -- I'm talking about just the very proposterious nature of things that can be brought into court in general or threatened to be. Just because they can bring something into court means dick. There are good public defenders out there, believe it or not, and a judge would hopefully be sound after all that schooling. What I'm saying is, I don't think intimidation or bringing someone into court means shit unless they can back the whole thing up with some meat.
Certain incidents may seem incredibly fascist -- ie. the whole DeCSS thing -- but when one considers that "key" is licensed out for big bucks uncovering it through questionable means can be deemed stealing. I'm not saying I agree with that case -- or that the guy deserves even community service! Just saying that some stuff can be backed up like that case... I don't think the DMCA/RIAA are buying his persecution, I think it's being bought indirectly because of the circumstances the whole thing is under (like i've read, major amounts of money for license to that key)
What did you expect "other then Hollow Insight (tm) from your fellow Slashdotters"? ... am I right?
on top of that, your nasty thought toward this hunk of unfeeling metal is just what I like to hear. I want to bottle you, mate.
Umm, this doesn't sound entirely out of the question to me.
They have something that does TCP/IP over e-mail, of all things. Getting into the network stack wouldn't be *that* difficult, unless you lacked root on the box. It seems less viable, though, when taking into consideration often environments in which strict Tcp access controls are implemented very rarely can administrator access be had on the users NT machine.
While it may just be an RFC, it still could be implemented. It struck me as kind of neat. What seems so outrageous about it?
I didn't even load that one up ...
... Anyway, the Chechen republic sure seems to be in a state of chaos. There is quite a funny picture on the website: a gun on the page of Islamic religion information.
What was I going to say... Oh, yeah, prepostorious... the US maintains such an orderly cover; what lies underneath is unimportant, aside from the bomb. The bomb controls everything.
Here's an entertaining website: http://www.kavkaz.org/
this is as close to the subject as I can get...Want to see a somewhat modern day war and the voice of the attacked? English translations are decent enough
No shit!
"Why isn't FreeBSD a desktop system?"
Christ...surely *that* had to be trolling
If this is *TRULY* the case, Xenex,
what about NetBSD? they don't seem to have a prob on any apple hardware... and that code is under the BSD license!
Oh, fuck off, you little pissant. You don't need to glaze your message over with hosility; ie "The BSD community is thriving without people like you..." as it just shows how prejudiced a lot of people out there are.
My message wasn't a flame at all and that's about all yours was. I recognized the finer points of FreeBSD whereas all you can do is denounce Linux along more general lines ("Last I checked Linux only has a 1% market.)
Happy trolling.