In Brazil since 2000 more than 90% of the submissions are via web or diskette. In 2004 web alone was responsible for about 95%. Paper forms accounted for less than 3%.
For those who are getting a refund, they have preference in the payments if submitted via web. That explains a lot:)
There is a gov's official software. You insert all the data you receive from banks and the like... your costs with education, health etc, and it calculates your taxes to pay or refund. Then you save as a simple txt. When it's over, it generates an encripted file to be sent via diskette ou by the submitting software.
2003 introduced a Java version (only windows before) but just with the "simple mode". In 2004 the complete version went out.
There is also an official transmitting program that works with more than one hundred different forms, for taxes or submitting of documents, requests etc. This is Windows only, but may change soon.
There is a great dislike to the USA Govt, but not against the american people.
But specially in Curitiba, europeans have a better reputation. Sincerely, americans tend to be seen as a fat, not-so-smart, mr-know-it-all and egocentric person. But What? Come and prove youre not that:)
U$1 = R$2,71(2004-12-17), so we talk about R$815k.
A look in the biggest real estate website from Curitiba shows 8 apartments from 300m to 350m between 350k and 500k in the same area of the spinning one (2 of them even in the same street:)
For comparison, near that we may find 525,00m - R$ 840k 546,00m - R$ 900k 619,00m - R$ 950k
And in the area that has half the Ferraris, Jaguars and Porsches of the city: 630,00m - R$ 780k 664,00m - R$ 850k 575,00m - R$ 850k 546,00m - R$ 900k
U$1000 is about twice the normal price for a high class building in this area. The neighborhood itself is one of the topmost expensive of the city.
You must remember that in Brazil life costs are lower than in Europe ou USA. Not great comparison for real estate matters, but a Coke can here can be found in a supermarket for U$0,35, a Big Mac is a bit more than U$1,00. The average movie ticket (in UCI and Cinemark, same quality rooms you have) is 5 to 6 dollars.
Anything locally produced and services are a lot cheaper than the notion of "very cheap" you may have. Our problem comes to gas, electronics, computer parts, foreign cars...
Construction uses local bricks, concrete, workers, glasses, painting, wood...
I have no doubt the same building in any of those countries would cost more at least 50% more than the average prices you said.
Funny. A couple of months ago your country started a war just because a certain oil producer country was thinking of selling the oil for EURO's...
But, selling it for EURO's would make too much dollars go back to US, causing inflation, causing the Central Bank to maybe set a 0%/year interest rate...causing them lots of BIG money to be invested on other countries all at once, putting american banks in trouble, and so on...
just before all the answers..The ballot has 2 flash card and a floppy, one flash card has candidates and the ballot data, the other and the floppy receive the votes. If a ballot breaks, we just need another one, and them we put the flash cards and the floppy there... and the counting and voting system will not even notice the change in the machines.
1 - What means is used to separate voter identity from voted ballot?
--there is a terminal where the section's presidente enters your voter's id and it just send a "begin_voting = true" to the ballot and that starts the voting (the welcome screen:)
2 - How is the balloting process secured such that voter submissions can not be observed, or recorded in any way that is traceable to the individual voter?
-- The ballot in no time receives any voter's identificaton, just the sign to begin the votation
3 - What actions on the system are audited?
--All! there are 3 responsible people for each ballot, and lots of parties representants ate any voting place.
4 - How is the auditing process precluded from associating voters with cast ballots?
--See question 1
5 - How is the audit trail accessed and used?
-- Not able to answer
6 - Who is permitted to access the system (through all aspects of handling)?
-- the ballots are sealed till minutes before the voting begins and are just open by the ballot president..with ate least 2 other "eyewitness" and
maybe party representative.
7 - What facilities are provided for recount purposes?
--All votes ate printed, the new printer that is in test just shows the printed data for the voter, the olders didn't, but printed.
8 - How are voters authenticated and authorized to cast ballots?
--Just as the manual system, there is a list of voter's for that section and when you vote you sign the list and gets a printed "proof of vote" with your name and number, day, etc.
9 - What access controls are in place to ensure single ballot per voter per election?
--Again, same as manual. And the terminal that communicates to the ballot has a memory that will not allow the same number to start the ballot twice.
10 - If multiple systems are deployed, how are voters tracked so the same person does not vote in different formats?
--The same that garanted that no voter would write on 2 paper ballots, describe on Q.8.
11 - What controls are used to ensure that the correct ballot is provided to the voter?
-- There is just one kind of ballot. Or two, like these year, but just if there was the need to use paper ballots.
12 - What controls are provided to ensure that each ballot item is voted properly?
-- Trust the voter's inteligence:) Just need to type numbers in a phone like keyboard. If someone places any no valid number, the vote is accepted, but is declared null on the counting.
13 - How are all forms of tampering detected and prevented? -- Crypto, no access to unauthorzed people, little access even to authorized, etc..
14 - How is vote confirmation provided without ballot-face receipt?
--Don't know what is a ballot-face receipt, but if's it's a paper proof of vote, there is one.. If's it's a any-kind-of confirmation, there is a sound and visual sign.
15 - How is the voter prevented from retaining a copy of the cast ballot?
-- No copies..
16 - How does the system assure that each ballot has been correctly recorded?
-- Floppy and Flash card, How do you assure that someting is on your HD?
17 - How does the voter know that a cast ballot has been accepted?
--Sound & visual sign
18 - How is vote tabulation correctness assured?
--I think it's a lot easier than handling 115million (x 2, in this case) pieces of paper.
19 - What features are employed to ensure operability of the voting system throughout the election? -- 12 hour battery backup, more than 10% spare ballots distributed over the country (these year just over 1% of them rpesented problems)
20 - How are downtimes handled in the event that they do occur?
-- There are maintenance teams everywhere (more than 10,000 people), the system has a decent self-diagnostic system,and all those things that any 24x7x365 server has.
21 - What alternative balloting system is available for voters when the system is down?
-- Paper Ballots, bur only as the last solution, after all tries to fiz or replace the system.
22 - How do the poll workers and system administrators know that the system is operating correctly?
-- lot of evenings spent in training and great number of experient people around. Ballots here in Brasil are generally put in schools, and therefore there are from some to dozens of them in the same building, it's hard to find a place that has only one or two ballots.
23 - How is the voting system precluded from use when deemed inoperable?
The working pieces are taken and used.. the others are trash... But you may have an eletronic ballot, you still need the data on the flash cards, and must get your floppy to be counted and not the original.. its hard...
Well in 1996 the transfer system used a 1024 bits key to assure security. I wonder what is used today, but i bid for anything about 2048-4096.. can oy decode that in 2 days?:)
Of course it's not 100% free, but it's easier than written papers that can contain illegible text (as mine cursive one:)
No. When you emigratte from Brazil to any country, you can vote in any embassy or consulate. But, as for the US, I think they only exist im Miami, Boston, NY and LA. It's obvious that if you live in Winconsin you don't need to travel hundreds of miles to vote. You may ask for a permission to free you from this RIGHT if you live xx miles away from any of those places.
But if you live in one of those cities and can't do the infinite force to vote once every FOUR years, no problem, if you don't vote 3 times in a row, your voting number will be cancelled, cause you may be dead or something....
When it was Pinochet in Chile it were the USA that help him to put him as dictator.
When it was [any latin dictator] in [any latin country] it was USA who helped him and financied his govt.
When The Zulu started to ask for help (even food) for the USSR it was the USA that had the genius idea of introducing and carrying the APARTHEID for so many years.
When Israel invaded arabian areas the USA were there to protect the real owners of that areas...OOPS!! not that, they helped the invaders? why? Oh yes..petroleum nearby...
When Afhganistan decided to fight the soviets it was USA who financed them..
And when Saddam decided to fight IRAN it were the USA also who helped him..
Do i Need to talk about who help Osama Bin Laden till last decade?
USA financed ALL except ONE dictatorial govts. in central and south america afraid the USSR could do that before them(the one is Cuba, of course). (and for those blind idiots, before the USSR colapse Cuba had undoubtely the best social conditions of all these countries, if one have no opinion on those places, at least could have health and education there)
No, i'm not comunist, i'm 100% capitalist. I just like the so blessed american FREEDOM..the same freedom USA help to take away from most of Latin America
the APARTHEID in S.A. was backed up by USA for it's whole existence after the zulu people started talking to URSS. It was not a racial problem, it as a POLITICAL problem..but who suffered? americans? not right?
Lets Protect the american way of life, the "democracy and freedom" land.
The american way to solve those problems? Blow up any "democracy and freedom" that is outside US borders..
No one would ever hate US if had any reason..
And for the "usa don't give a damn about the rest of the world" i would just see what they learn in scholl about the world in geography and history classes... if they do...
I should say american civilians are less civilians than those on Afghanistan... why?
I doubt if any american tv ever showed day-by-day in Afghanistan, but a brazilian TV did that, they sent 2 women there after 18 months of negotiation for visas and interview with TALEBAN reprensetatives and spokesmen (don't imagine how hard to convince them to just talk with women). They showed children without any school opened in the city, women 100% clothed and without any rights, and other terrible things to our western countries.
In my vision it's not a wrong thing to live in this conditions, but since it were a personnal choose.(remember our culture may seen as outrageous as this in their vision).
The so said "democracy" give the american civilians the whole guilty for all wrong USA acts while those afghans ruled by an ARMED GUERRILA (ask 99% of them if they like those people..NO!!) are not even listened, and any complaint just result in their deaths.
Have they the chance to run away they would do.
There is no right or wrong way to live, i mean, the right manner, FOR ME, is the way i live, your way is different, and life goes on.
Aside from hating this talk about democracy and freedom, as if just USA had those (some countries have even more than USA), but i base all my thought in the complete freedom, the freedom to even give away my freedom if i wish to.
What i'm trying to show is that it will never be solved this way, the only possible way is talk. Not with the radical _minority_ but with true representants chosen by most of people. That really solves.
U$60,000,000,000 to put a shield in the space? Why not to put food, water and redistribute land in the earth?
If their cause (most of them just want land to live) is solved, they will stop...
Stop suffering the symptoms, face the illness. No terroristic attack would have happened the last 50 years in israel haven't Israel invaded the other countries.
Not saying who is wrong or right(nor saying palestinians are these time responsibles, the chance is ridiculous), but the land given to jewish was the same land palestinians fought for during all their lives, and they continue on that..
I bet the sixty billion for the spacial shield would be a lot more effective if spent on EARTH helping to solve great part of these problems.
If USA still wants to be the major imperium it has to act like this. Of course war is a great industry, but i dare the ones that have never tried the peace industry to give it a chance...
just to think:
Put youselves in their place for just a minute..
You have always lived on one house, and suddenly a gang expels you from there.. time after, the police goes there and ban them from there, you think you are back to your home sweet home, but when you finally get there, surprise, the major gave your home to another guy, a rich rich guy friend of him..
Maybe you'll agree with this(wil you?), maybe you will complain to the major..and if you don't get a positive answer not even in the justice? (remember you're not in the US) Maybe, i hope not, you will start to offend and threaten the rich man, cause it's the only thing you have now rocks and your voice.....ANY COINCIDENCE?
Let me put it.
Brasil is not stealing nothing, for the simple reason that, in the brazilian law IS PERFECT LEGAL. ( a law which Roche knew and agreeded in the time they began to sell their products in Brasil).
I just read a text on a online newspapper saying that Roche is trying to renegotiate whith brazilian govt, what makes me think that it's not interesting to Roche to lose the power to sell nelfinavir to the government plan (but can sell to commom people, 100% of people are able to receive the drugs for free, but some who can afford them buy it, maybe conscious that someone else who need those drugs can't).
But it also lights me to the fact that Roche could be complaining to WTO if it had the minimum expectation of victory...
Brazil is using it's law not for fucking up the drug companies, but for not fucking up it's ppl.
It's more a "see i can do this if you don't help, but if you help, we forget all tis stuff.."
I'm sure Roche can and will make a great new price for their product (i read that they'll even give the pediatric version FOR FREE).
A pc like that one, a AMD500Mhz, costs in brazil more os less U$500, soh it restricts it's market to about 10-15% of the families. A PC costing about U$300 is affordable by at leats 30% of the brazilian houses.
This price diference is done just by reducing the taxes and by the "compact" eletronics on it.
IMHO, is a _BIG_ advance, my 12-year old brother use the internet in most of his homeworks that need some researching..
Just for curiosity, with the advent of free internet access the number of user is today estimated in 12Mi ppl. Considering we're 5 in my house and just 2 use internet, i can say that at leats 7-8% of the forty-something million houses in brazil have internet. And have of course a computer. (I'm not considering the ones who only use at school and workplaces).
For the ones who doesn't have the notion of what is the "money value" in Brazil , going to explicity my case:
House of 5, between 12 and 48, only one worker(dad:) who never earned more than U$1,500/mo in his life, but we have:
a 180M^2 4-bedroom home, great, close to a 1,500,000 ppl city (where is set the main office of conectiva, for example www.conectiva.com)
2 cars (produced in 95 and 97)
3 TV (14',20'and 29')
A mmx200 and a new AMD 950Mhz w/ printers and all that crap
2 phone lines
2 ppl studing in one of the better universities of the country (ow, ex-students of my college: www.continuum.com.br, game producers..read!)
And we are very healthy:) now tell me what you do with 1500bucks in USA? nothing, right?...
I bet you can't buy a great big size pizza for less than 3dollars..i can:)
AND WE PAY ALL TAXES:0)
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In Brazil since 2000 more than 90% of the submissions are via web or diskette. In 2004 web alone was responsible for about 95%. Paper forms accounted for less than 3%.
:)
For those who are getting a refund, they have preference in the payments if submitted via web. That explains a lot
There is a gov's official software. You insert all the data you receive from banks and the like... your costs with education, health etc, and it calculates your taxes to pay or refund. Then you save as a simple txt. When it's over, it generates an encripted file to be sent via diskette ou by the submitting software.
2003 introduced a Java version (only windows before) but just with the "simple mode". In 2004 the complete version went out.
There is also an official transmitting program that works with more than one hundred different forms, for taxes or submitting of documents, requests etc. This is Windows only, but may change soon.
No, not right.
:)
There is a great dislike to the USA Govt, but not against the american people.
But specially in Curitiba, europeans have a better reputation. Sincerely, americans tend to be seen as a fat, not-so-smart, mr-know-it-all and egocentric person. But What? Come and prove youre not that
U$1 = R$2,71(2004-12-17), so we talk about R$815k.
:)
A look in the biggest real estate website from Curitiba shows 8 apartments from 300m to 350m between 350k and 500k in the same area of the spinning one (2 of them even in the same street
For comparison, near that we may find
525,00m - R$ 840k
546,00m - R$ 900k
619,00m - R$ 950k
And in the area that has half the Ferraris, Jaguars and Porsches of the city:
630,00m - R$ 780k
664,00m - R$ 850k
575,00m - R$ 850k
546,00m - R$ 900k
Sorry for disappointing you but Curitiba may be the coldest city among the 100 biggest ones in Brazil, is one of the top 3, certainly. :)
For Curitiba, the residencial price for a MWh is R$271,64, exactly U$100 as of today.
:)
As cited in another message, a 1hp motor would solve the problem, this would mean about 0,54 MWh/month, or U$54.
I'm sure those who can afford U$300,000 can pay that
U$1000 is about twice the normal price for a high class building in this area. The neighborhood itself is one of the topmost expensive of the city.
You must remember that in Brazil life costs are lower than in Europe ou USA. Not great comparison for real estate matters, but a Coke can here can be found in a supermarket for U$0,35, a Big Mac is a bit more than U$1,00. The average movie ticket (in UCI and Cinemark, same quality rooms you have) is 5 to 6 dollars.
Anything locally produced and services are a lot cheaper than the notion of "very cheap" you may have. Our problem comes to gas, electronics, computer parts, foreign cars...
Construction uses local bricks, concrete, workers, glasses, painting, wood...
I have no doubt the same building in any of those countries would cost more at least 50% more than the average prices you said.
Funny.
A couple of months ago your country started a war just because a certain oil producer country was thinking of selling the oil for EURO's...
But, selling it for EURO's would make too much dollars go back to US, causing inflation, causing the Central Bank to maybe set a 0%/year interest rate...causing them lots of BIG money to be invested on other countries all at once, putting american banks in trouble, and so on...
just before all the answers..The ballot has 2 flash card and a floppy, one flash card has candidates and the ballot data, the other and the floppy receive the votes. If a ballot breaks, we just need another one, and them we put the flash cards and the floppy there... and the counting and voting system will not even notice the change in the machines.
:)
:) Just need to type numbers in a phone like keyboard. If someone places any no valid number, the vote is accepted, but is declared null on the counting.
1 - What means is used to separate voter identity from voted ballot?
--there is a terminal where the section's presidente enters your voter's id and it just send a "begin_voting = true" to the ballot and that starts the voting (the welcome screen
2 - How is the balloting process secured such that voter submissions can not be observed, or recorded in any way that is traceable to the individual voter?
-- The ballot in no time receives any voter's identificaton, just the sign to begin the votation
3 - What actions on the system are audited?
--All! there are 3 responsible people for each ballot, and lots of parties representants ate any voting place.
4 - How is the auditing process precluded from associating voters with cast ballots?
--See question 1
5 - How is the audit trail accessed and used?
-- Not able to answer
6 - Who is permitted to access the system (through all aspects of handling)?
-- the ballots are sealed till minutes before the voting begins and are just open by the ballot president..with ate least 2 other "eyewitness" and
maybe party representative.
7 - What facilities are provided for recount purposes?
--All votes ate printed, the new printer that is in test just shows the printed data for the voter, the olders didn't, but printed.
8 - How are voters authenticated and authorized to cast ballots?
--Just as the manual system, there is a list of voter's for that section and when you vote you sign the list and gets a printed "proof of vote" with your name and number, day, etc.
9 - What access controls are in place to ensure single ballot per voter per election?
--Again, same as manual. And the terminal that communicates to the ballot has a memory that will not allow the same number to start the ballot twice.
10 - If multiple systems are deployed, how are voters tracked so the same person does not vote in different formats?
--The same that garanted that no voter would write on 2 paper ballots, describe on Q.8.
11 - What controls are used to ensure that the correct ballot is provided to the voter?
-- There is just one kind of ballot. Or two, like these year, but just if there was the need to use paper ballots.
12 - What controls are provided to ensure that each ballot item is voted properly?
-- Trust the voter's inteligence
13 - How are all forms of tampering detected and prevented?
-- Crypto, no access to unauthorzed people, little access even to authorized, etc..
14 - How is vote confirmation provided without ballot-face receipt?
--Don't know what is a ballot-face receipt, but if's it's a paper proof of vote, there is one.. If's it's a any-kind-of confirmation, there is a sound and visual sign.
15 - How is the voter prevented from retaining a copy of the cast ballot?
-- No copies..
16 - How does the system assure that each ballot has been correctly recorded?
-- Floppy and Flash card, How do you assure that someting is on your HD?
17 - How does the voter know that a cast ballot has been accepted?
--Sound & visual sign
18 - How is vote tabulation correctness assured?
--I think it's a lot easier than handling 115million (x 2, in this case) pieces of paper.
19 - What features are employed to ensure operability of the voting system throughout the election?
-- 12 hour battery backup, more than 10% spare ballots distributed over the country (these year just over 1% of them rpesented problems)
20 - How are downtimes handled in the event that they do occur?
-- There are maintenance teams everywhere (more than 10,000 people), the system has a decent self-diagnostic system,and all those things that any 24x7x365 server has.
21 - What alternative balloting system is available for voters when the system is down?
-- Paper Ballots, bur only as the last solution, after all tries to fiz or replace the system.
22 - How do the poll workers and system administrators know that the system is operating correctly?
-- lot of evenings spent in training and great number of experient people around. Ballots here in Brasil are generally put in schools, and therefore there are from some to dozens of them in the same building, it's hard to find a place that has only one or two ballots.
23 - How is the voting system precluded from use when deemed inoperable?
The working pieces are taken and used.. the others are trash... But you may have an eletronic ballot, you still need the data on the flash cards, and must get your floppy to be counted and not the original.. its hard...
Well in 1996 the transfer system used a 1024 bits key to assure security. I wonder what is used today, but i bid for anything about 2048-4096.. :)
:)
can oy decode that in 2 days?
Of course it's not 100% free, but it's easier than written papers that can contain illegible text (as mine cursive one
That's not about profit cause the software is almost totally made by government employees. The profitable area is the hardware one.
No. When you emigratte from Brazil to any country, you can vote in any embassy or consulate. But, as for the US, I think they only exist im Miami, Boston, NY and LA. It's obvious that if you live in Winconsin you don't need to travel hundreds of miles to vote. You may ask for a permission to free you from this RIGHT if you live xx miles away from any of those places.
But if you live in one of those cities and can't do the infinite force to vote once every FOUR years, no problem, if you don't vote 3 times in a row, your voting number will be cancelled, cause you may be dead or something....
Maybe US let the Vietnam for a similar reason...chances for win the war happened every day, right?
prepotencia pouca eh bobagem
When it was Pinochet in Chile it were the USA that help him to put him as dictator.
When it was [any latin dictator] in [any latin country] it was USA who helped him and financied his govt.
When The Zulu started to ask for help (even food) for the USSR it was the USA that had the genius idea of introducing and carrying the APARTHEID for so many years.
When Israel invaded arabian areas the USA were there to protect the real owners of that areas...OOPS!! not that, they helped the invaders? why? Oh yes..petroleum nearby...
When Afhganistan decided to fight the soviets it was USA who financed them..
And when Saddam decided to fight IRAN it were the USA also who helped him..
Do i Need to talk about who help Osama Bin Laden till last decade?
it's right..Any ore exemples?
USA financed ALL except ONE dictatorial govts. in central and south america afraid the USSR could do that before them(the one is Cuba, of course). (and for those blind idiots, before the USSR colapse Cuba had undoubtely the best social conditions of all these countries, if one have no opinion on those places, at least could have health and education there)
No, i'm not comunist, i'm 100% capitalist. I just like the so blessed american FREEDOM..the same freedom USA help to take away from most of Latin America
the APARTHEID in S.A. was backed up by USA for it's whole existence after the zulu people started talking to URSS. It was not a racial problem, it as a POLITICAL problem..but who suffered? americans? not right?
Lets Protect the american way of life, the "democracy and freedom" land.
The american way to solve those problems? Blow up any "democracy and freedom" that is outside US borders..
No one would ever hate US if had any reason..
And for the "usa don't give a damn about the rest of the world" i would just see what they learn in scholl about the world in geography and history classes... if they do...
I should say american civilians are less civilians than those on Afghanistan... why?
I doubt if any american tv ever showed day-by-day in Afghanistan, but a brazilian TV did that, they sent 2 women there after 18 months of negotiation for visas and interview with TALEBAN reprensetatives and spokesmen (don't imagine how hard to convince them to just talk with women). They showed children without any school opened in the city, women 100% clothed and without any rights, and other terrible things to our western countries.
In my vision it's not a wrong thing to live in this conditions, but since it were a personnal choose.(remember our culture may seen as outrageous as this in their vision).
The so said "democracy" give the american civilians the whole guilty for all wrong USA acts while those afghans ruled by an ARMED GUERRILA (ask 99% of them if they like those people..NO!!) are not even listened, and any complaint just result in their deaths.
Have they the chance to run away they would do.
There is no right or wrong way to live, i mean, the right manner, FOR ME, is the way i live, your way is different, and life goes on.
Aside from hating this talk about democracy and freedom, as if just USA had those (some countries have even more than USA), but i base all my thought in the complete freedom, the freedom to even give away my freedom if i wish to.
What i'm trying to show is that it will never be solved this way, the only possible way is talk. Not with the radical _minority_ but with true representants chosen by most of people. That really solves.
U$60,000,000,000 to put a shield in the space? Why not to put food, water and redistribute land in the earth?
Answer:
If their cause (most of them just want land to live) is solved, they will stop...
Stop suffering the symptoms, face the illness. No terroristic attack would have happened the last 50 years in israel haven't Israel invaded the other countries.
Not saying who is wrong or right(nor saying palestinians are these time responsibles, the chance is ridiculous), but the land given to jewish was the same land palestinians fought for during all their lives, and they continue on that..
I bet the sixty billion for the spacial shield would be a lot more effective if spent on EARTH helping to solve great part of these problems.
If USA still wants to be the major imperium it has to act like this. Of course war is a great industry, but i dare the ones that have never tried the peace industry to give it a chance...
just to think:
Put youselves in their place for just a minute..
You have always lived on one house, and suddenly a gang expels you from there.. time after, the police goes there and ban them from there, you think you are back to your home sweet home, but when you finally get there, surprise, the major gave your home to another guy, a rich rich guy friend of him..
Maybe you'll agree with this(wil you?), maybe you will complain to the major..and if you don't get a positive answer not even in the justice? (remember you're not in the US) Maybe, i hope not, you will start to offend and threaten the rich man, cause it's the only thing you have now rocks and your voice.....ANY COINCIDENCE?
Let me put it.
Brasil is not stealing nothing, for the simple reason that, in the brazilian law IS PERFECT LEGAL. ( a law which Roche knew and agreeded in the time they began to sell their products in Brasil).
I just read a text on a online newspapper saying that Roche is trying to renegotiate whith brazilian govt, what makes me think that it's not interesting to Roche to lose the power to sell nelfinavir to the government plan (but can sell to commom people, 100% of people are able to receive the drugs for free, but some who can afford them buy it, maybe conscious that someone else who need those drugs can't).
But it also lights me to the fact that Roche could be complaining to WTO if it had the minimum expectation of victory...
Brazil is using it's law not for fucking up the drug companies, but for not fucking up it's ppl.
It's more a "see i can do this if you don't help, but if you help, we forget all tis stuff.."
I'm sure Roche can and will make a great new price for their product (i read that they'll even give the pediatric version FOR FREE).
Well let's to the real matter
,20'and 29')
:) now tell me what you do with 1500bucks in USA? nothing, right?... :) :0)
A pc like that one, a AMD500Mhz, costs in brazil more os less U$500, soh it restricts it's market to about 10-15% of the families. A PC costing about U$300 is affordable by at leats 30% of the brazilian houses.
This price diference is done just by reducing the taxes and by the "compact" eletronics on it.
IMHO, is a _BIG_ advance, my 12-year old brother use the internet in most of his homeworks that need some researching..
Just for curiosity, with the advent of free internet access the number of user is today estimated in 12Mi ppl. Considering we're 5 in my house and just 2 use internet, i can say that at leats 7-8% of the forty-something million houses in brazil have internet. And have of course a computer. (I'm not considering the ones who only use at school and workplaces).
For the ones who doesn't have the notion of what is the "money value" in Brazil , going to explicity my case:
House of 5, between 12 and 48, only one worker(dad:) who never earned more than U$1,500/mo in his life, but we have:
a 180M^2 4-bedroom home, great, close to a 1,500,000 ppl city (where is set the main office of conectiva, for example www.conectiva.com)
2 cars (produced in 95 and 97)
3 TV (14'
A mmx200 and a new AMD 950Mhz w/ printers and all that crap
2 phone lines
2 ppl studing in one of the better universities of the country (ow, ex-students of my college: www.continuum.com.br, game producers..read!)
And we are very healthy
I bet you can't buy a great big size pizza for less than 3dollars..i can
AND WE PAY ALL TAXES