Woooo guys... are actually suggesting that michael actually *check* something? What are you, nuts? If he did that, he wouldn't have time to continue his defamement of Seth Finkelstein!
Seriously though, makes you wonder what michael and timothy are actually to paid to *do*?
Re:Perl & mod_perl
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Get Your Moto On
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· Score: 4, Informative
With mod_perl or php, your site is always interpreted by the DSO, but for Moto, your site IS the DSO.
I get that part, but mod_perl can run at speeds equiv. to writing a DSO in C. My understanding is that it caches the Perl op-code in memory, etc. So it's not really be interprested each request by the ISO, simply executed.
This provides a nice speed boost.
I'd wager it's either not actually there, or hardly noticable. Are there benchmarks anywhere?
Moto allows for two modes of execution: interpreted and compiled. Moto is different from the rest of the field in that you can develop a site using interpreted mode for quick testing, then when the site is ready for production you can compile the it into an Apache DSO and serve it straight from memory...
This is somewhat analogous to using Perl and mod_perl. If that's the only reason to use Moto, I'd stick with Perl instead.
The other day while I was waiting for a friend a Barnes and Noble, I picked it up only to put it back on the shelf ten minutes later. Usually I buy every Oreilly book for technologies that I use frequently, but I figured that there is probably very little in the book that PHP's excellent online documentation [php.net] doesn't provide.
A few folks have said this, and I agree the online documentation is very well done.
However, another way to phrase this is:
Language authors beware! DO NOT CREATE GOOD, FREELY AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION! Doing so eliminates the need for books, etc. and thus elminates the only major source of revenue!
Come on, guys. If you like the online documentation, buy the damn book too. For crying outloud, put some money in the pockets of the folks working hard to great things for you. I haven't cracked the spine on the 3rd edition of Programming Perl since I bought it (since perldoc perl is so well done), but I still found it worth buying because I wanted to continue to support the authors (who are all active developers in the Perl community).
It would be the equivalent of Microsoft giving away a Linux distribution "MS Linux" that crashes often, doesn't run most of the GNU programs (gcc included), has a different set of C libraries with their own quirks, and uses a really old version of Gnome as a fixed, non-configurable GUI.
While I'm not thrilled with the whole idea of patenting alogrithms, while they're legal, this really isn't an abusive of the system. It's not super-complicated, but then not every patent needs to be.
I wouldn't mind these Editor Soapbox issues nearly as much if Timothy at least understood what he was posting half the time.
If you were to have a second chance at designing Perl, what would you have done differently?
Isn't Perl 5 the answer to that? Perl 5 was Larry's rewrite of Perl, and Perl 6 is to be the communities (hence the RFCs, etc.)
It's clear that Perl is undergoing a huge revision now, but even in the midst of this, you have to refrain from straying too far from the existing userbase.
Heh. You must not have heard about the new regular expression syntax.;-)
-Bill
Thanks Larry
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Ask Larry Wall
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Hi Larry,
Like many others, I *love* Perl. I use it both professionally and personally. You've not only helped make my career, but also given me a very pleasent past-time. I was wondering what I can do to say thank-you? Can we give you money? Dontate something to someone, etc.?
When the new Programming Perl came out, I didn't really need anymoe (viva perldoc!), but wanted to make sure I was putting a few bucks in the pockets of those who made Perl great. What else can I do to say thanks?
And last I heard, HBO alone made more money than the three networks combined.
Which isn't surprising. I pretty much only use my Tivo on HBO. HBO, with the Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Oz, etc. are pretty much the only reason I ever watch TV.
Oh yeah, Frats suck, don't waste your time. After a year or so, you'll start to notice how much people despise frat boys, you don't want to be one of them.
I'd learn generalizations are usually wrong. Yes there are frats that suck, but there are a lot that don't. I'm not saying everyone should join one, but I think having an open mind is a Good Thing.
When I left for school, I would have laughed at the idea of joining a frat. I had the sterotypical impression of what they were about and wanted nothing to do with them.
However, once there, I met several people in one particular fraternity who I seemed to get along with. There was no hazing, and they were very open about the whole thing. There was a focus on community service as well as developing into being a better man. With all the demands on one's time (playing a sport, being involved in other organizations) and being out on your own for the first time, I found it very helpful.
It helped bring a balance to my life, of constantly meeting new people, throwing social events, but also philanthropy, group study events, etc. It exposed me to people with RADICALLY different backgrounds, different ideas, and different viewpoints. It gave me a network of successful individuals to contact when looking for employment. It brought me bonds of friendship that will last for life.
No, not all fraternities are like this, and yes, we had our share of dumb shits too. A fraternity, like any group, is what you make of it. I'm glad I ended up joining the one that I did.
I don't think so. The problem is that the user doesn't grok that a comment is moderated *several* times. Hence, displaying multiple ratings would probably still be confusing.
About the Meta Moderation system... IANASCE (I Am Not A Slash-Code Expert), but I believe the reason duplicates exist is because there can be more than one moderation for each comment to be meta-modded. For example: if you rate my comment "-1 Shitty Graphic Design" but somebody else rates it "+1 Insightful," then two seperate meta-moderations need to be made.
I think he understands that; he's just saying it's a shitty interface design.
You're correct in saying that the require seperate meta-moderations, but there is no requirement that they have to be presented to the same user at the same time. A simple dedup of comment ID's would solve the problem and eliminate the need for that big screaming bold text.
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I'm pretty sure that they are. Read some of Michael's crazy rants on his personal pages. Pretty clear implications that they are.
-Bill
Woooo guys... are actually suggesting that michael actually *check* something? What are you, nuts? If he did that, he wouldn't have time to continue his defamement of Seth Finkelstein!
Seriously though, makes you wonder what michael and timothy are actually to paid to *do*?
-Bill
A *great* place to start (even better than Ask Slashdot, IMHO) is Deja^H^H^H^H, er I mean, Google's Group, which is basically a search on Usenet.
-Bill
Often people responsible for backing up the data are different from the people responsible for creating the data.
Just a thought.
-Bill
or vice-versa...
-Bill
With mod_perl or php, your site is always interpreted by the DSO, but for Moto, your site IS the DSO.
I get that part, but mod_perl can run at speeds equiv. to writing a DSO in C. My understanding is that it caches the Perl op-code in memory, etc. So it's not really be interprested each request by the ISO, simply executed.
This provides a nice speed boost.
I'd wager it's either not actually there, or hardly noticable. Are there benchmarks anywhere?
-Bill
Moto allows for two modes of execution: interpreted and compiled. Moto is different from the rest of the field in that you can develop a site using interpreted mode for quick testing, then when the site is ready for production you can compile the it into an Apache DSO and serve it straight from memory...
This is somewhat analogous to using Perl and mod_perl. If that's the only reason to use Moto, I'd stick with Perl instead.
-Bill
Well, Michael, the readers of Slashdot seem to disagree.
His comment is mod'ed to 5 whereas yours is -1.
-Bill
any LUG meeting should be free. Mostly because this is one of the corner stones in the "movement".
err, that's free as in speech, not as in beer.
-Bill
The other day while I was waiting for a friend a Barnes and Noble, I picked it up only to put it back on the shelf ten minutes later. Usually I buy every Oreilly book for technologies that I use frequently, but I figured that there is probably very little in the book that PHP's excellent online documentation [php.net] doesn't provide.
A few folks have said this, and I agree the online documentation is very well done.
However, another way to phrase this is:
Language authors beware! DO NOT CREATE GOOD, FREELY AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION! Doing so eliminates the need for books, etc. and thus elminates the only major source of revenue!
Come on, guys. If you like the online documentation, buy the damn book too. For crying outloud, put some money in the pockets of the folks working hard to great things for you. I haven't cracked the spine on the 3rd edition of Programming Perl since I bought it (since perldoc perl is so well done), but I still found it worth buying because I wanted to continue to support the authors (who are all active developers in the Perl community).
-Bill
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It would be the equivalent of Microsoft giving away a Linux distribution "MS Linux" that crashes often, doesn't run most of the GNU programs (gcc included), has a different set of C libraries with their own quirks, and uses a really old version of Gnome as a fixed, non-configurable GUI.
Isn't this every J2EE server?
Blaming MS for the death of Java is weak.
-Bill
Why would I want to spell check a web page?
And if I cared, would I really read Slashdot?
-Bill
It would have to be the other way around, since The Onion came first.
-Bill
Agreed.
While I'm not thrilled with the whole idea of patenting alogrithms, while they're legal, this really isn't an abusive of the system. It's not super-complicated, but then not every patent needs to be.
I wouldn't mind these Editor Soapbox issues nearly as much if Timothy at least understood what he was posting half the time.
-Bill
If you were to have a second chance at designing Perl, what would you have done differently?
;-)
Isn't Perl 5 the answer to that? Perl 5 was Larry's rewrite of Perl, and Perl 6 is to be the communities (hence the RFCs, etc.)
It's clear that Perl is undergoing a huge revision now, but even in the midst of this, you have to refrain from straying too far from the existing userbase.
Heh. You must not have heard about the new regular expression syntax.
-Bill
Hi Larry,
Like many others, I *love* Perl. I use it both professionally and personally. You've not only helped make my career, but also given me a very pleasent past-time. I was wondering what I can do to say thank-you? Can we give you money? Dontate something to someone, etc.?
When the new Programming Perl came out, I didn't really need anymoe (viva perldoc!), but wanted to make sure I was putting a few bucks in the pockets of those who made Perl great. What else can I do to say thanks?
-Bill
Exactly.
And last I heard, HBO alone made more money than the three networks combined.
Which isn't surprising. I pretty much only use my Tivo on HBO. HBO, with the Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Oz, etc. are pretty much the only reason I ever watch TV.
-Bill
According to the Knowledge Base, it is for Mac OS X 10.1.5; are these components already in Mac OS X 10.2, or is another update forthcoming?
Wouldn't it be better to find that out from Apple as opposed to asking the general Slashdot audience?
-Bill
Oh yeah, Frats suck, don't waste your time. After a year or so, you'll start to notice how much people despise frat boys, you don't want to be one of them.
I'd learn generalizations are usually wrong. Yes there are frats that suck, but there are a lot that don't. I'm not saying everyone should join one, but I think having an open mind is a Good Thing.
When I left for school, I would have laughed at the idea of joining a frat. I had the sterotypical impression of what they were about and wanted nothing to do with them.
However, once there, I met several people in one particular fraternity who I seemed to get along with. There was no hazing, and they were very open about the whole thing. There was a focus on community service as well as developing into being a better man. With all the demands on one's time (playing a sport, being involved in other organizations) and being out on your own for the first time, I found it very helpful.
It helped bring a balance to my life, of constantly meeting new people, throwing social events, but also philanthropy, group study events, etc. It exposed me to people with RADICALLY different backgrounds, different ideas, and different viewpoints. It gave me a network of successful individuals to contact when looking for employment. It brought me bonds of friendship that will last for life.
No, not all fraternities are like this, and yes, we had our share of dumb shits too. A fraternity, like any group, is what you make of it. I'm glad I ended up joining the one that I did.
-Bill
I don't think so. The problem is that the user doesn't grok that a comment is moderated *several* times. Hence, displaying multiple ratings would probably still be confusing.
-Bill
About the Meta Moderation system... IANASCE (I Am Not A Slash-Code Expert), but I believe the reason duplicates exist is because there can be more than one moderation for each comment to be meta-modded. For example: if you rate my comment "-1 Shitty Graphic Design" but somebody else rates it "+1 Insightful," then two seperate meta-moderations need to be made.
I think he understands that; he's just saying it's a shitty interface design.
You're correct in saying that the require seperate meta-moderations, but there is no requirement that they have to be presented to the same user at the same time. A simple dedup of comment ID's would solve the problem and eliminate the need for that big screaming bold text.
-Bill
Agreed. Reminded me of low-res Apple ][ graphics. Clever on the part of whomever thought it up!
-Bill
Actually, it's like an american, but without pretending that you are the center of the universe.
;-)
Or rather, it's like being an american, but without BEING the center of the universe.
-Bill
Microsoft was proposing doing that as fine in a settlement. The United States is doing this of it's own free-well, not as a punishment.
-Bill