My wife's a school teacher and the only thing I can say is a union is only worth it if the organization is willing to fight and the members are willing to endure the impact of striking. The one school district (I grew up in that district fwiw) she worked in was large enough that the state does not allow teachers in that district to strike. Without that tool in their arsenal a union is utterly toothless.
Back when I was growing up the union could get serious concessions simply by striking. Parents wouldn't stand for their kids to lose an extended period of time being educated. Now the teachers union goes years without a contract and then fights a losing battle to keep their benefits. Heck, it's a good thing for them to continue working without a contract because then the benefits roll over year after year and they can maintain the status quo instead of having to make concessions.
One, I don't think most tech workers would be willing to band together and endure the loss of pay to actually create an effective strike. Two, I don't think the government would allow us to strike. Under the circumstances I would not want to pay union dues.
Huh?? The topic is barrier to entry for creating a business. How much do you think you are going to charge for that beer? $500 a bottle?
At five gallons you've basically created a little under 9 12oz 6 packs so make it 8. You're going to have to charge over $5 per six pack just to recover your $40 which is a recurring cost. This doesn't include your bottling expenses btw which for now we can ignore. So, you've bought your kit and your ingredients. If you're going to be doing actual business you need to be able to buy more yeast, hops, etc. So your 6 pack must be priced at, at least, $10. You have to start recovering the cost of the equipment, etc.. Let's say you make some spectacular beer and can demand 18 percent over your costs (which is good btw) So now your beer is selling for $11.80 per six pack. You can recover your initial investment on the beer kit (the $100 one. I can't suspend disbelief on all this if you haven't bought the good one.) and see a 90 cent profit after you have brewed 56 batches of beer. At 4 weeks minimum to ferment you will have recovered your investment in a little over 4 years. That assumes that you never screw up on a batch.
The barrier to start up a fun hobby is low. The barrier to start up a business in this case would be a bit higher and if you are actually making a profit on selling alcohol I'm assuming that somewhere down the road you are going to need a license.
They CAN go close sourced because the "community" never contributed any integral code that advanced Nessus. Since everything that is essentially Nessus has been written by Tenable they can pretty much do anything they want. Linus can't close source the kernel because they is a large diversity of contributors to the code. If Linus was some sort of code producing diety and wrote the majority of the kernel himself he could dang well toss the fluff out and close it up. Now this is a loophole in the GPL. If no one contributes, a good product can go back to being closed. Without that diversity of contributors no GPLd project can be considered "Free" forever. TripWire is another example of this.
The problem with the old version is that the new version has significant improvememnts built into it. So unless some actual developer community is going to rise up from the shadows and start improving v2 you are pretty much stuck with what you get. Yea! v2 is open! Yea! It sucks compared to v3! And eventually it will not make any business sense to keep supporting v2 and that version of Nessus will get tossed up onto SourceForge to languish away on the Island of Misfit Code.
You're kidding? Right? So who's going to pick up the tab to create a real lab and do full time testing for plug-ins? Or all the other QA tasks that the community has so far been unable to assist Tenable with. A fork of the codebase does nothing to get that infrastructure back.
How much *significant* code has been contributed to Snort by people outside of SourceFire? I'm talking about things like Frag3, etc. - the underpinnings of Snort.
Would have been nice if the community had been contributing to Nessus before they closed the source. The only reason Tenable was able to accomplish this is because they wrote all the code. Their code means they can license it anyway they want. If there had been more significant contributions to the codebase outside of Tenable Nessus the latest and greatest version of Nessus would have remained GPL'd. Tenable would have had no choice and I think they would have been happy with that.
And I'm going to be cruelly honest here. I don't think the community is going to make a better free fork. We had our chance and blew it. Like to be proven wrong but I've seen what happened with TripWire and I'm not going to hold out much hope.
Sorry, but an Antediluvian would have an ID in the hundreds. 9253 is nice but I really only get the chills when I see someone around 300 or lower post. Those times I go out, check the stars and do a little touch up on my Elder sign. 9253 makes me think "Cool. I'm not that old yet."
And the reason we still use phones is for that nice little 5+ 9s of reliability that cutesy VoIP is still reaching for. I also won't loose my call center to the latest worm outbreak.
Yeah I got that and still think that with this type of article it is stupid to mark the standard chant of "Get a lawyer" as redundant. Especially the second post. Heck, let's be honest, the article is redundant. But here's the thing I find interesting. The actual initial posts for getting a lawyer are all modded down and then it seems as if the idiot moderator shot his wad and moved on. Now all the later posts (which are really only minutes apart from the original ones) all get modded up to +5 even though they haven't added any additional content.
Seeing this makes me jump to another conclusion. The moderators bumping the later posts up aren't viewing below 1 and are just dumping "me too" mods instead of correcting the initial abuse.
And yeah, having the original one marked redundant is cute. I guess the crack pipe must have obscured the 'Overrated' option. Pity that the Chappelle Show is no more. I really could have used a skit showing Tyrone Biggums at an Internet Cafe browsing/.
What preceeding posts?? I'm set to 'Oldest First' and viewing at 1. The story was submitted at 5:35 and he's posted at 5:38. Going to the -1 sewer that is/. he is the 2nd person to post "Get ye a lawyer."
The only redundant thing here is another moderator smoking $2 crack.
When in doubt, go to the 10Q. Since I also saw this article and can't find any article saying that MS' Entertainment division has been consistantly profitable it dawned on me that, being publically traded, they would have to explain the loss.
Straight out of the 10Q "Xbox consoles have negative gross margins." An additional thing you forgot is that MS slashed the price of the XBox. It is more than likely that any efficiencies they made in manufacturing the consoles could not make up for nearly halving the price. As you have not provided a cite to back up your claims I consider myself done with this.
The courts already have mechanisms in place to have a trial and keep national security a secret. It's why the article notes the one judge's dissent. The general public would never see document one out of this trial. So, so sorry but the terrorists will still have to poke around Google Earth and the WayBack Machine to hunt down targets. God, I utterly cannot believe you pulled out the "But the terrorists will have won!" reactionary rhetoric. Hint, in 99.9999 percent of times you want to make that statement you haven't given the situation any thought.
And despite whatever party line you believe the whole of/. subscribes to on patents I can assure you that the assumption is wrong. Me? I'm totally, rabidly, fanatically against business model patents which allows for software patents. But that doesn't mean I'm against all patents.
As for the ungrateful part. Whatever. You're the one painting everybody with the same brush. I don't think I have be grateful for that.
This isn't about eminent domain. An example of the government using eminent domain on patents is the Wright Brothers. Their patent suits were killing the aviation industry in the States so the US paid the brothers and killed their patents. The people in this case still have the patent. They just can't sue Lucent because the contract in question falls under National Security.
Four guys created this invention. This makes them the little guy. If Lucent had not dropped this bomb on them, Lucent would have had to pay them whatever royalty fee the inventors wanted. If the job had been big enough these guys could have retired on the spot.
The only thing preventing this was the government crying "National Security!" thereby permitting Lucent to trick them into giving away a year's worth of work adapting the invention for underwater use. It is obvious that in any normal trial this behaviour by Lucent would have gotten them proverbially pimped slapped.
The fair solution is for the government to pay these four guys out of the fee they agreed to pay Lucent. The extremely fair solution would be for the fee to be trebled due to Lucent's ongoing duplicity.
Moderator, you mind posting as AC and explain this 'Troll' BS? What? Having to do some honest work is some crime because he knows how to use a computer? Military service would somehow be beneath him? Hint, after the thread with the AC I did some digging. The kid needs a morale waiver to be admitted into the military.
The possibility that all of this is a wash because his sentence may be done by the time he's 18 is offensive? An accurate reporting of the restrictions on his computer usage is too much for you to handle?
The only possibility that you could possibly take this as a troll is if you believe that having to suffer consequences for one's actions is unjust. If that's the case I'll wear that troll mod as a badge of pride.
Juvie record and the restriction on computer usage is for two years after his sentence. Since we basically don't know squat about him it is possible that all of this is moot and he gets a fresh start by the time he's 18. And I hate to sound crude but I don't see what prevents the kid from humping a pack, shooting a rifle, driving a vehicle, working a mess hall or whatever. Not everything the military does depends on being able to work on a computer or device with Internet access.
Sorry but those days are dying fast. Now that the cracking community is going commercial and selling the fruits of their labor the old stereotype of the misunderstood and bored genius is going by the wayside as the new, less savory blackmarketeer stereotype takes it place. Add to the fact that more and more of the these crackers that get caught are producing broken malware and, honestly, why would a company want to hire them?
Also, he's a juvie and the records are sealed. How is a company going to headhunt this kid? And what kind of productivity could they possibly get out of him under the current terms of his sentencing? Also, since the kid called in bomb threats, how would his current record affect the company's security clearances and relations with current and prospective customers?
Until his sentencing is over and his record gone there are no job offers. After that, unless he's stupid enough to brag about this incident when he's an adult, we'll never know who hires him. And that's fine by me.
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Back when I was growing up the union could get serious concessions simply by striking. Parents wouldn't stand for their kids to lose an extended period of time being educated. Now the teachers union goes years without a contract and then fights a losing battle to keep their benefits. Heck, it's a good thing for them to continue working without a contract because then the benefits roll over year after year and they can maintain the status quo instead of having to make concessions.
One, I don't think most tech workers would be willing to band together and endure the loss of pay to actually create an effective strike. Two, I don't think the government would allow us to strike. Under the circumstances I would not want to pay union dues.
Brie very careful with these puns. They're getting so thick that soon I'm going to let out a curdling scream.
At five gallons you've basically created a little under 9 12oz 6 packs so make it 8. You're going to have to charge over $5 per six pack just to recover your $40 which is a recurring cost. This doesn't include your bottling expenses btw which for now we can ignore. So, you've bought your kit and your ingredients. If you're going to be doing actual business you need to be able to buy more yeast, hops, etc. So your 6 pack must be priced at, at least, $10. You have to start recovering the cost of the equipment, etc.. Let's say you make some spectacular beer and can demand 18 percent over your costs (which is good btw) So now your beer is selling for $11.80 per six pack. You can recover your initial investment on the beer kit (the $100 one. I can't suspend disbelief on all this if you haven't bought the good one.) and see a 90 cent profit after you have brewed 56 batches of beer. At 4 weeks minimum to ferment you will have recovered your investment in a little over 4 years. That assumes that you never screw up on a batch.
The barrier to start up a fun hobby is low. The barrier to start up a business in this case would be a bit higher and if you are actually making a profit on selling alcohol I'm assuming that somewhere down the road you are going to need a license.
The grant money just came in and it's syurp night at Ricky's. We are so going! Remember, take lots of measurements.
The problem with the old version is that the new version has significant improvememnts built into it. So unless some actual developer community is going to rise up from the shadows and start improving v2 you are pretty much stuck with what you get. Yea! v2 is open! Yea! It sucks compared to v3! And eventually it will not make any business sense to keep supporting v2 and that version of Nessus will get tossed up onto SourceForge to languish away on the Island of Misfit Code.
To say nothing has been lost is kinda naive.
How much *significant* code has been contributed to Snort by people outside of SourceFire? I'm talking about things like Frag3, etc. - the underpinnings of Snort.
And I'm going to be cruelly honest here. I don't think the community is going to make a better free fork. We had our chance and blew it. Like to be proven wrong but I've seen what happened with TripWire and I'm not going to hold out much hope.
It may be because of the discussion of support rather than the link..... More mods have been done over less content.
A wetvac that does wetwork. Whole new spin on needing a cleaner.
At least the CNN Money article covered this. Even with the tax credit it doesn't look good.
And the reason we still use phones is for that nice little 5+ 9s of reliability that cutesy VoIP is still reaching for. I also won't loose my call center to the latest worm outbreak.
Seeing this makes me jump to another conclusion. The moderators bumping the later posts up aren't viewing below 1 and are just dumping "me too" mods instead of correcting the initial abuse.
And yeah, having the original one marked redundant is cute. I guess the crack pipe must have obscured the 'Overrated' option. Pity that the Chappelle Show is no more. I really could have used a skit showing Tyrone Biggums at an Internet Cafe browsing /.
The only redundant thing here is another moderator smoking $2 crack.
Straight out of the 10Q "Xbox consoles have negative gross margins." An additional thing you forgot is that MS slashed the price of the XBox. It is more than likely that any efficiencies they made in manufacturing the consoles could not make up for nearly halving the price. As you have not provided a cite to back up your claims I consider myself done with this.
A more recent link.
My fact doesn't agree with yours.....
And despite whatever party line you believe the whole of /. subscribes to on patents I can assure you that the assumption is wrong. Me? I'm totally, rabidly, fanatically against business model patents which allows for software patents. But that doesn't mean I'm against all patents.
As for the ungrateful part. Whatever. You're the one painting everybody with the same brush. I don't think I have be grateful for that.
This isn't about eminent domain. An example of the government using eminent domain on patents is the Wright Brothers. Their patent suits were killing the aviation industry in the States so the US paid the brothers and killed their patents. The people in this case still have the patent. They just can't sue Lucent because the contract in question falls under National Security.
And your solution to letting this information flow instead of having it wrapped up as a trade secret is.....
The only thing preventing this was the government crying "National Security!" thereby permitting Lucent to trick them into giving away a year's worth of work adapting the invention for underwater use. It is obvious that in any normal trial this behaviour by Lucent would have gotten them proverbially pimped slapped.
The fair solution is for the government to pay these four guys out of the fee they agreed to pay Lucent. The extremely fair solution would be for the fee to be trebled due to Lucent's ongoing duplicity.
The possibility that all of this is a wash because his sentence may be done by the time he's 18 is offensive? An accurate reporting of the restrictions on his computer usage is too much for you to handle?
The only possibility that you could possibly take this as a troll is if you believe that having to suffer consequences for one's actions is unjust. If that's the case I'll wear that troll mod as a badge of pride.
Pee on my network and you're in for quite the shock.
Juvie record and the restriction on computer usage is for two years after his sentence. Since we basically don't know squat about him it is possible that all of this is moot and he gets a fresh start by the time he's 18. And I hate to sound crude but I don't see what prevents the kid from humping a pack, shooting a rifle, driving a vehicle, working a mess hall or whatever. Not everything the military does depends on being able to work on a computer or device with Internet access.
Also, he's a juvie and the records are sealed. How is a company going to headhunt this kid? And what kind of productivity could they possibly get out of him under the current terms of his sentencing? Also, since the kid called in bomb threats, how would his current record affect the company's security clearances and relations with current and prospective customers?
Until his sentencing is over and his record gone there are no job offers. After that, unless he's stupid enough to brag about this incident when he's an adult, we'll never know who hires him. And that's fine by me.