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Hilton Hacker Gets 11 Months

B747SP writes "Well, the guy who 'acquired' the contents of Paris Hilton's Sidekick telephone and published them on the Internet has had his day in court. T-Mobile USA and the State of Massachusetts are pleased to report that he has been sentenced to 11 months in a juvenile facility. He's also not allowed to own or use a computer, a cellphone, or any other device that can access the Internet for two years. It turns out that the Hilton hack was just one of many Bad Things(tm) that he had been up to: calling in bomb threats to schools, creating T-Mobile accounts for himself and his friends, breaking in to data broker LexisNexis' systems are just a few of his exploits."

390 comments

  1. Last post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    See you guys in 2 years!

    1. Re:Last post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh???

    2. Re:Last post! by itsrainin · · Score: 1

      Comedic Gold. . .

  2. I hear he's expecting to get rooted by Inthewire · · Score: 2, Funny

    N/T

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    1. Re:I hear he's expecting to get rooted by Cerdic · · Score: 2, Funny

      But he's not allowed to use a computer! What kind of possible rooting could he experience in prison? It's not like he has a computer in his cell or in the shower room or anything.

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    2. Re:I hear he's expecting to get rooted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, I hate to break it to those of you who have never spent time in a juvenile correctional facility, but rapes are actually quite uncommon.

    3. Re:I hear he's expecting to get rooted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we bow down before your infinite experience in the matter

    4. Re:I hear he's expecting to get rooted by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      hell, to most of the braindead teenagers in the JDC, he will be a god.

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    5. Re:I hear he's expecting to get rooted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you often like to think about prison rape?

  3. What about her crimes???? by NerdBuster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Paris should get 11 years for her acting ability and general ability to annoy people.

    1. Re:What about her crimes???? by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
      Paris should get 11 years for her acting ability and general ability to annoy people.

      I never understood the fascination with her. Not by you, but by the media in general. It seemed like all of a sudden she was famous for being some trust fund baby. At least John Kenendey Jr. tried doing things - George, being a prosecutor, etc ...

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    2. Re:What about her crimes???? by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 1

      She decided that she wanted to be famous and so she hired PR people to make it happen. That's all it takes, really; money to hire PR.

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    3. Re:What about her crimes???? by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I agree. She means very little. Or she did until her video fiasco. I just saw her in this months FHM (or one of those magz). She didn't impress me. Her first shot was a nice frontal, camel-toe shot. She appeared quite used.

    4. Re:What about her crimes???? by E8086 · · Score: 1

      "I never understood the fascination with her. Not by you, but by the media in general. It seemed like all of a sudden she was famous for being some trust fund baby."

      I believe her "fame" started with a video?

      So she didn't follow a password rules, using names of people or things close to you. I recall reading that the phone ID number was faked, same as spoofing caller ID info, and the T-Mobie allowed the phone&number to act as username and pword. Could have been another device she had and provider other then T-Mobile.
      I'm sure enough people have had their phones "hacked" or accidentally given away their account info to some "verify your information" email.

      He should be punished harshly for making bomb threats and hacking ISPs and DoS-ing a phone company as a way of crying about his fraudulent being closed.

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    5. Re:What about her crimes???? by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I watched a documentary about the celebrity publicity machine the other day. They mentioned Paris Hilton. Apparently, the public images of herself (as a party girl with loose morals and limited brains) and that of her sister (quiet and reserved) are carefully crafted creations of a PR firm. Real-life Paris is supposed to be very street smart, with an ability to add up figures with the speed and accuracy of a computer.

      Why does she want to have such a seemingly "negative" public image? Well, without that, she would be just another anonymous rich kid. Now she is a world-famous "brand", with a name recognition that rivals that of the late Princess Di (at least among women). And surprisingly, most of her "target audience" admires her for having the will and ability to get what she wants when she wants it.

      Magnus.

    6. Re:What about her crimes???? by cool_number_9 · · Score: 1

      Why... Mr. Hilton! How nice of you to drop by.

    7. Re:What about her crimes???? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      They mentioned Paris Hilton. Apparently, the public images of herself (as a party girl with loose morals and limited brains) and that of her sister (quiet and reserved) are carefully crafted creations of a PR firm. Real-life Paris is supposed to be very street smart, with an ability to add up figures with the speed and accuracy of a computer.

      Reminds e of what I have heard about Marilyn Monroe. She played a whole bunch of ditzy blondes in the movies, but was apparently very smart.

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    8. Re:What about her crimes???? by gordgekko · · Score: 1

      Yes, Monroe's personal life away from the movie set certainly proved how very smart she was.

      Monroe = Hilton = Blonde and very dumb

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    9. Re:What about her crimes???? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They mentioned Paris Hilton. Apparently, the public images of herself (as a party girl with loose morals and limited brains) and that of her sister (quiet and reserved) are carefully crafted creations of a PR firm. Real-life Paris is supposed to be very street smart, with an ability to add up figures with the speed and accuracy of a computer.

      You mean she has all the skills necessary to deal dope or run a numbers racket?

      Actually her brand management is pretty slick, she has got to the position where she can charge $100K just to attend a party for a couple of hours. Much more of that image was created by Paris than you might imagine.

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    10. Re:What about her crimes???? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Paris should get 11 years for her acting ability and general ability to annoy people.

      I'd have to check with a lawyer, but I don't think California has a law to charge anyone with aggravated bimboism.

      -jcr

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    11. Re:What about her crimes???? by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I were given the choice of being set for life, or being still more ridiculously rich at the expense of my dignity, I'd definitely choose the former.

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    12. Re:What about her crimes???? by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      I agree. She means very little. Or she did until her video fiasco. I just saw her in this months FHM (or one of those magz). She didn't impress me. Her first shot was a nice frontal, camel-toe shot. She appeared quite used.

      Have you not seen the videos of her? She's a total slut (sorry, lack of a better word) In the middle of sex she says hold on and runs to anwser her cell phone.....

    13. Re:What about her crimes???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, I watched a documentary about the celebrity publicity machine the other day. They mentioned Paris Hilton. Apparently, the public images of herself (as a party girl with loose morals and limited brains) and that of her sister (quiet and reserved) are carefully crafted creations of a PR firm. Real-life Paris is supposed to be very street smart, with an ability to add up figures with the speed and accuracy of a computer.

      Riiiight... You think that maybe that "documentary" you saw could've been the product of said celebrity publicity machine? Perhaps even aimed at doing some damage control as far as the Hiltons' reputations are concerned?

    14. Re:What about her crimes???? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Paris should get 11 years for her acting ability

      So you cared about her *acting* ability in that vid?

      Err...

      We're talking about the same flick, right?!

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  4. Hmm by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if the job offers have already started, or if the security companies are waiting until this particular piece of human trash gets out of jail.

    1. Re:Hmm by daviqh · · Score: 1

      Oh, they definetly already started!

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    2. Re:Hmm by fsh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is one idea that I really don't understand. Why would the security firms want to hire someone who has hacked into computers? Homicide detectives don't hire murderers, the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters, the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations....

      I wouldn't hire this kid simply because he would open me up to lawsuits from my stockholders.

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    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because technology is one area where "professionals" don't really know a whole lot about the reality of their profession, when it comes to security. Said "hackers" know significantly more about what's done, how it's done and so on, whereas said professionals just make guesses about such things.

    4. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      if the security companies are waiting until this particular piece of human trash gets out of jail.
      I didn't know Paris was in jail. But you can bet the security firms want to hire her. She's got every virus there is.
    5. Re:Hmm by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is one idea that I really don't understand. Why would the security firms want to hire someone who has hacked into computers? Homicide detectives don't hire murderers, the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters, the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations....

      When computer security was in its infancy, the person who broke into your system was the most qualified to stop other people. For a bunch of years, people who pulled off significant hacks (Mitnick) would get recruited. Basically, it takes a crook to catch a crook.

      The guy who the movie "Catch Me If You Can" was based on ended up in the employ of the FBI detecting counterfeit stuff because he was so damned good at it.

      Then people started arresting those who did such things. It's far less common for these people to get security jobs after their jail-time.
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    6. Re:Hmm by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1, Informative

      Casinos do hire reformed cheats and card counters. IMHO this is alot closer to what a cracker does. The FBI did hire an expert counterfeiter.

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    7. Re:Hmm by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 1

      Here is Ranum's talk on the whole phenomenon—and why it should stop.

    8. Re:Hmm by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      It's a bit different. With "hackers", a lot of the time they're just there to explore and maybe cause a little mischief - it's not anywhere near on the scale of the other examples you have. Also, other fields remain very static, but with computer security new exploits are coming out every day, and you know that this person knows how to find and use them, hopefully before they're used on you.

    9. Re:Hmm by Daveznet · · Score: 1

      No, detectives do not hire murderers but they do interview them and pick their brains for information on how they tick so that they can catch other serial murderers. When it comes to computer security its not as black and white as it is when someone murders another person. That and people can make money off computer hackers they cant make money off murderers.

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    10. Re:Hmm by learn+fast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me extend this by saying that we should not hire lobbyists to be regulators.

    11. Re:Hmm by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 5, Interesting
      the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters

      Actually they do. The famous example was Joe Kennedy who headed the SEC when it was first created. Roosevelt said it "took a thief to catch a thief." He basically outlawed every dirty trick he used to become rich himself.

    12. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I seem to recall the ending of "Catch Me if You Can" or whatever that Hanks/DiCaprio film was ended with the counterfeiter working for the FBI. Which is exactly how the real life criminal it was based on ended up. Most espionage is done the same way, pay your enemy to give you important info.

      They hire him because he knows the rules of the hacker underground, he already has contacts, etc. that a pro might never get, having violated rules he never knew existed. His job will be to make freinds with people and turn them over to the athorities (who in some cases might close the case with a 9mm), a better job for a sociopath I don't know.

    13. Re:Hmm by megabeck42 · · Score: 1

      the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations.... ... well yeah, because the ATF doesn't need to hire half the population of Michigan.

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    14. Re:Hmm by VATechTigger · · Score: 0
      The FBI did hire an expert counterfeiter.

      Leonardo makes for such a sexy criminal Catch me if you can

    15. Re:Hmm by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering that the kid in question thought a bomb threat was a good way to start a school day, he'll probably be working fries for at least a few years before they trust him with network security. The guy's no hacker, he's just a juvenile thug who happens to be computer literate.

    16. Re:Hmm by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 3, Funny

      the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations

      Huh, no wonder they don't return my calls. Oh well, I guess I can always fall back on AOL tech support...

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    17. Re:Hmm by airherbe · · Score: 1


      Yes, but police do consult child molesters, jailed convicts, and even "white collar" criminals on the specifics for their crimes, to solve other unsolved crimes.

      These criminals happen to have a wealth of information, and although may not be trustworthy in a work environment (hiring a "reformed" hacker for security advising is typically a bad idea. It's not the skills they possess which made them do the crime -- it was their person-specific and probably unchangable morals which encouraged them to do the crime in the first place), it would be a waste to not utilize their valuable information because of a blanket prejudice.

      There is a lot that can be learned from criminals.

      // J

    18. Re:Hmm by gblues · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the FBI did hire Frank Abagnale Jr. (dramatized into 2002's "Catch Me If You Can"), a successful con artist turned FBI agent who developed many of the anti-fraud methods incorporated into checks today.

    19. Re:Hmm by kaoshin · · Score: 1

      After reading info about his hacks, the only thing impressive was his supposed level of stupidity. Reminds me of a book named the Stainless Steel Rat, in where the main charachter goes to jail so he can talk to real criminals. When he gets there, he realises that anyone who is stupid enough to get caught is a moron anyway, and he was looking in the wrong place so he breaks back out of jail. Security companies should likewise have no interest in this person. If it was someone who turned himself in for some impressive hack, then maybe I could see people being interested. Maybe I'm completely missing something where this hack was in some way complex. Of course I don't believe everything I read though, and for all I know this was all lame misinformation.

    20. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the guy who "Catch me if you can" is based on, is a millionare now. Not bad. The guy is obviously a genius with a lot of balls.

    21. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is one idea that I really don't understand. Why would the security firms want to hire someone who has hacked into computers?

      Who says they do? While it's commented about on Slashdot daily I doubt many convicted "hackers" actually get hired doing computer security work. Why would anyone want to hire someone with a proven record of not obeying the law or respecting other peoples property? That's just opening themselves up to future trouble and lawsuits when the convict employee breaks another law on company time.

    22. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Because technology is one area where "professionals" don't really know a whole lot about the reality of their profession, when it comes to security

      Yeah, just like docotors don't really know a lot about the reality of their profession, when it comes to Brain Surgery.

    23. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you jealous that this guy will probably make more when he gets out of jail than most of us have made in our lives? :)

    24. Re:Hmm by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Well, even though he ended up at the FBI, he didn't start there right after being arrested.

      He spent a fair amount of time in jail. It's only once they discovered that he would be such an excellent resource for them that they brought him on.

      It's not just enough to break in, and do horrible things. You have to show a deeper understanding beyond that which could be obtained from simple learning.

      For instance, a hacker who knows more about social engineering than someone who's just studied it thoroughly. It is possible to use social engineering on a simplified level, and not be all that good at it.

      But being able to pull of incredibly complex actions, where they demonstrate an ability to understand, think, and problem-solve beyond the average person already on your team.

      That's what counts. Not just "I hacked in, give me a job."

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    25. Re:Hmm by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or laywers as lawmakers.

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    26. Re:Hmm by fsh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I understand that it can happen every once in a while, but the whole reason they could make a movie out of the counterfeiter was because it was so unusual.

      The problem with hiring a criminal for law enforcement is simply that the techniques the criminal would be most comfortable with are against the law. Sure, he might be able to track down more criminals than the trained enforcement personel, but he also wouldn't be able to back it up in court, and wouldn't be able to get the convictions.

      Certainly, law enforcement will interview known felons in order to help break a case, but the felons are rarely put in a position of trust, where they will be required to testify, simply because it's way too easy for the defense to pick them apart.

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    27. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because anybody can murder, commit frauds, drink, and smoke but not everybody knows how to hack.

    28. Re:Hmm by Lenins_beard · · Score: 1

      Well, unless the drunk gun-toting smoker was the college roomate of a friend of a friend.

    29. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I wouldn't hire this kid simply because he would open me up to lawsuits from my stockholders.

      If this is true, IT is in for some trouble.

      I was a young computer punk before "hacking" had become "cool". I broke in to computer systems. I traded illicit information and software. The difference is that I was never caught (or did enough damage to make myself noticable as far as I can tell - it would be disingenuous to claim that I did no damage at all).

      Today I work in information security. I've worked for small businesses. I've worked for Fortune 50 corporations. And I've worked for the US Government. I'm not alone. Throughout my career I have met and worked with plenty of others who have a simular history and now hold jobs with considerable responsibility. We're everywhere - it's just that some people don't know it.

      A key difference is that neither I nor the people I've mentioned were hired because of criminal records. We were hired because the skillset we gained and the mindset we have is needed by our jobs.

      If there is something to criticize here, it's the mistaken belief that a criminal record makes one hirable. It's not the record, it's the ability. What some of these kids get nailed with hardly highlights impressive ability as far as I have seen.
    30. Re:Hmm by slapout · · Score: 1

      Because good help is hard to find...

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    31. Re:Hmm by RapmasterT · · Score: 1
      This is one idea that I really don't understand. Why would the security firms want to hire someone who has hacked into computers? Homicide detectives don't hire murderers, the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters, the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations.... I wouldn't hire this kid simply because he would open me up to lawsuits from my stockholders.
      The concept of hiring convicted hackers for security jobs is largely an urban myth at this point. It happened in a few well publicized cases years ago, and now the idea perpetuates itself.

      It would be horribly damaging to a security company to make a policy of hiring convicted criminals...pretty self-evident.

    32. Re:Hmm by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 3, Informative

      The police could have the felon illegally get evidence that lets them know what the need to investigate, then all the need to do is find the right pretext to get at the data, like perhaps going into a business that the illegal investigation turned up some dirt on, buy something, and check the money you get back as change for drug residues (nearly 100% likely to be positive) and use that as a pretext for a drug investigation, and then "legally" find what you already illegally know and use the "legally" found info in court.

      Or just watch those the illegal info points you to like a hawk so closely that you catch them in the act. Tail them and when they do a 36 in a 35, pull them over, say they look nervous, and search the car for example or have it sniffed for drugs possibly (have a K9 unit pull them over - have the dog and the cop go up to the suspects, etc).

      Yes, the above isn't ethical, but it is possible.

      And law enforcement does "hire" felons, just not on the payroll.

      They are called "paid informants", or "rats".

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    33. Re:Hmm by sd_plot · · Score: 1

      He's probably going to get picked up by some tabloid that his exploits have already made millions for...

    34. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, thats who Billy G gets that from!!

    35. Re:Hmm by Zordak · · Score: 4, Informative
      The guy who the movie "Catch Me If You Can" was based on ended up in the employ of the FBI detecting counterfeit stuff because he was so damned good at it. Then people started arresting those who did such things. It's far less common for these people to get security jobs after their jail-time.
      Frank Abagnale, Jr. spent six months in a French prison where he could not stand erect and where he slept in his own excrement. He was borderline insane when he was finally released to the custody of (IIRC) the Netherlands, where he spent about a year in a much nicer prison. He was slated to be turned over to (again, IIRC) Spain, where he would have spent time in another miserable and inhumane prison, but his Dutch captors took pity on him and found a way to invalidate his passport. That meant they had to "deport" him to the United States, where he promptly escaped by crawling out of the toilet when his plane landed. He was re-captured and spent some time in a US prison. He still managed to start his own security consulting business and make millions of dollars. The difference was not the jail time. The difference was that he was truly brilliant and he apparently did not have a truly criminal disposition. He was basically a horny teenager (much of his crime was committed in pursuit of women). When he got some maturity, he was able to put his skills to a beneficial use. He also eventually paid back all of the money he stole.

      In contrast, I'm betting this little hacker twerp is some wannabe who got ahold of a computer and read a couple of "howto" sites. He may or may not have the disposition of a hardened criminal, but until he does something original, nobody will notice him. Maybe if he's lucky, he'll get a wikipedia entry.

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    36. Re:Hmm by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the tradition was always a little suspect, but it made more sense back when only a small handful of people had the necessary skills to pull off significant computer crimes. Now that the tools needed to do major damage are available to any juvenile delinquent (rather than just the exceptionally clever juvenile delinquents), getting arrested for computer crime isn't enough to attract the attention of the average security firm.

      I'm pretty sure that many law enforcement agencies do hire people from the other side, when they think said people might have expertise that will help them with their efforts.

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    37. Re:Hmm by Shoggoth+of+Maul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just the antisocial behavior. In order to be an attractive hire for one of these agencies or companies, you have to be something of a virtuoso. The people you hear about who dodge jailtime by getting hired by the people who caught them were offered those jobs because they were innovative in their lawbreaking, and had demonstrated that they had the critical thinking skills that distinguish successful criminals and good troubleshooters.

    38. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In contrast, I'm betting this little hacker twerp is some wannabe who got ahold of a computer and read a couple of "howto" sites.


      What I find scariest about this notion is just how much stuff a high school kid was able to pull off. Doesn't say much for all the information security professionals involved that they couldn't keep this "twerp" from doing what he did. I mean, it's like the 95 pound weakling giving Ahnuld a beatdown. What happens when the real hackers come along? What happens when one of them works for a hostile power? If we can't even keep "twerps" from doing this stuff how are we going to defend against a real adversary?

    39. Re:Hmm by mr.+methane · · Score: 1

      While there have been a few exceptions, convicted felons are rarely high on the HR "must have" list.

      The exception would be people who are genuine original thinkers that got caught up in something questionable, or have such good personality that they can be used in front of the media.

      From the sound of it, this guy will be in prison, then on parole, and then end up doing very unglamorous low-paying jobs for the rest of his life.

    40. Re:Hmm by ElAsturiano · · Score: 1

      It's been done since the times of the wild west... remember the story of Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett?

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    41. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the number of times Paris Hilton has been publically broken into, I can't believe this was still considered a crime.

    42. Re:Hmm by RWerp · · Score: 1

      In my country, the conviction is erased from the book after some time. Is it different in the USA? Should a 11 month term in a juvenile facility taint a man for the rest of his life?

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    43. Re:Hmm by gid13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, the point is not that the criminal will use illegal techniques to gather evidence.

      The point is that the criminal will be more comfortable with the illegal techniques others use, and be able to explain those techniques, expose whatever weaknesses to legal evidence-gathering they may have, and harden security against them.

      I'm not saying it always makes sense to hire a criminal for a security job, but I can certainly see the advantages.

    44. Re:Hmm by stlhawkeye · · Score: 1
      This is one idea that I really don't understand. Why would the security firms want to hire someone who has hacked into computers? Homicide detectives don't hire murderers, the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters, the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations....

      The real life guy on whose life the movie Catch Me If You Can is based was hired by our (the American) government to help stop check fraud. The man was a brilliant defrauder, and mastered the nation's reserve bank and check system to defraud himself into a life of extreme luxury. He was hired by the government to advise them on improving the system, and, I believe, continues to advise to this day.

      So yes, we do stuff like that. We let known criminals off if they'll finger somebody worse, then pay for their well being and anonymous protection via the witness protection program. That's my tax money paying to supplement the life of a criminal only because he happened to also be a tattletale.

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    45. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly what "significant hack" did Kevin Mitnick pull off? He was just some bozo who got railroaded by paranoid/overzealous authorities. That's the only reason why his case is significant. Ever read his book, "Secrets of a Superhacker"? The only part remotely useful was the social engineering section and there was nothing secret about the fact that "people are gullible".

    46. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hire them as a consultant. Not as the lawyer. You want them to teach your detectives how to catch them.

      Think of it like a game. If you get beat by someone over and over, does it make sense to lock them up after you manage to beat them once?

    47. Re:Hmm by JVert · · Score: 1

      The real hackers are out there sharing their exploits. Writing "howto's" so they can get their name out and share their knowlege, with any halfwit.with.a.computer.

    48. Re:Hmm by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Homicide detectives don't hire murderers,
      Silence of the Lambs

      the SEC doesn't hire fraudsters
      Catch me if you can

      the ATF doesn't hire drunk smokers w/ unregistered firearm violations....
      Demolition man (well, sorta)

      Alright, that was a bit far fetched, but remember the motto: Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. The best way to control a hacker is to have it in a well-surveilled place, monitoring all his activities. Plus, you get him to help you do security audits, etc.

    49. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a reminder... "based on a true story" usually means they pulled it out of their asses.

    50. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when is cracker going to do something actually cool, like steal loads of cash quietly, piss off to an island somewhere, and give the world the finger? I swear, these 1337 d00dz have too much ego for their own good, blabbing to their friends etc about some foolish nonproductive 'sploit then getting their ass throw in jail.

      If they're stupid enough to get caught, then they deserve a couple of months worth of tender loving from a dude called Bubba.

    51. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I wonder if the job offers have already
      > started, or if the security companies are
      > waiting until his particular piece of human
      > trash gets out of jail.

      So someone who commits the *oh* so *horrible*
      crime of breaking into a telephone network is
      a piece of "human trash"? Hmmm, I think that
      in reflecting upon your comments we know who
      the real piece of "human trash" is. It is the
      one who has allowed himself to be whipped into
      a feeding frenzy and frothing at the mouth over
      the prospect of seeing a fellow human being
      being put in jail for an amount of time that
      is in know way reflects the (lack of) gravity
      of the crime commited.

      I'm sure some (T-Mobile) would say that he
      could have done something worse once having
      gained access to the network but the fact is
      he didn't. We don't (we didn't use to) prosecute
      people on what they might of done, or could of
      done but what they actually did do. His crime
      was very insignificant.

      And those dollar amounts? Purely made up. Just
      like the so-called millions that Bell claimed
      they had lost when it was hacked back in the
      late 80s by who was it, the Legion of Doom?.
      Remember the Hacker Crackdown?

    52. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually they DID
      thats old policy.
      Keep up with the times.

    53. Re:Hmm by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      The police hire criminals all the time. It's not really a bad gig, hijacking cars/robbing banks, retiring, and taking a consulting job with law enforcement once the statute of limitations is finished. Not so much with murderers, though, the lack of a statute of limitations and the fact that it takes barely over the IQ of a doorknob to kill someone (so why bother consulting people when you can figure it out yourself?) means there is no supply and no demand on that front.

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    54. Re:Hmm by sd_diamond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He [Abagnale] was basically a horny teenager (much of his crime was committed in pursuit of women).

      Whereas the person in question here was a horny teenager with exceptionally bad taste in women.

    55. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare the eleven months this T-Mobile hacker
      juvenile got to the 18 (that's right 18 months)
      that this *real* criminal. See below...

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      Another brutal murder that the media will ignore.

      Kimberly Boyd was killed by a black carjacker / abductor who shot her in stomach then wrecked her car into a cement truck crushing her. A heroic bystander tried to come to the rescue and actually shot the murderer to death. However, it was too late for this young mother of two who died on the scene.

      Murderer Brian Clack is believed to be the same man who raped, beat, and robbed another woman just one week earlier.

      Brian Clark led a life of crime. In 2003 he was
      convicted of statuatory rape and child molestation. He was slapped on the wrist with 18
      months in prison.

    56. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True to type, yr story is cooked up.
      The real one is here :
      http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s111098. htm

    57. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like you speak from experience.

    58. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time you called AOL tech support. I got routed to India.

    59. Re:Hmm by learn+fast · · Score: 1

      actually it makes sense that the people who write law also know how to read it

    60. Re:Hmm by Zordak · · Score: 1

      True to what type? The more extensive real story is in his autobiography, which I've read (have you?). So it was Sweden, not the Netherlands.

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    61. Re:Hmm by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      the law should be writen so anybody can read it.

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  5. Nice kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All that and he only got 11 months? While there's a guy in California doing life for stealing a candy bar?

    Also, the blurb failed to mention that this nice young fellow wasn't acting alone (see the Register's coverage from this morning)

    1. Re:Nice kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's Texas and he got 16 years. Unless there is some other case you're referring to.

    2. Re:Nice kid by VATechTigger · · Score: 0

      besides, can one perseon really be to blame for making Paris Hilton a Hack.

    3. Re:Nice kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably referring to a "three-strikes" case, which means it's more accurate to say "There's a guy in California doing life for committing a violent felony, doing his time and getting out, committing a second violent felony, doing his time and getting out, and then stealing a candy bar".

    4. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're talking about Glen A. Reed, here's the real scoop, from http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html:

      "Said Glenn A. Reed, 31, upon being sentenced in Waco, Texas, in July to 99 years in prison as a habitual criminal (after rejecting a plea bargain that would have meant a 15-year sentence): "There's things I choose to do, like, if I go in a store and choose to take a Snickers bar, if you catch me, you catch me. If not, I'm going to go home and eat it up and go on about my business, dog."

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    5. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's probably insane and should have medical treatment. Putting him in the prison sounds pretty stupid to me.

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    6. Re:Nice kid by IInventedTheInternet · · Score: 1

      I say the fact that he thinks the reporter he's talking to is a dog is a sure sign he's pretty insane.

    7. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you're a "habitual criminal" who, after having been through the legal system multiple times, still rejects a plea deal, your sanity is questionable. Your intelligence is also questionable...and in light of his statement about stealing a candy bar, I'd say he's more stupid than insane. Completely OT at this point...but history has proven time and time again that if a defendant has even a 1% chance of successfully making an insanity defense, they will attempt that. I don't believe that guy ever attempted an insanity defense, so in the end it seems most likely he's just *really* dumb.

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    8. Re:Nice kid by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      So honesty gets you a longer sentence than false sincerity? Nice justice system you've got down there in Texas.

    9. Re:Nice kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i pledge one mod point for you if i get it soon enough

    10. Re:Nice kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he was convicted for stealing a candy bar, but it's clear the judge also recognised he is a hardened criminal who has committed hundreds of small crimes like daily shoplifting, burglary, etc. Besides, you don't get 99 year for a first offense anyway. This guy deserves it. It's a pity you can only get the chair for murder, because if you could fry human trash like him it would have been the best solution !

    11. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      It looks like I *did* confuse this with another case. Here's the contents of a (reprinted from AP) wired story on the matter (don't go to http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?secti on=Breaking&storyId=1062025 if you're anti-wired heh):

      "Monday, July 11, 2005 6:36 p.m. ET

      WACO, Texas (AP) -- A convicted felon who went on profanity-laced tirades in court and told jurors he didn't care if they gave him life in prison was sentenced to 99 years for stealing a cell phone.

      Jurors deliberated about 15 minutes before convicting Glenn Alvin Reed of robbery Thursday.

      Reed, 31, was convicted as a habitual criminal because he had prior felony convictions for injury to an elderly person and robbery, which bumped the minimum sentence from five to 25 years. He also had 15 misdemeanor convictions dating to 1991.

      Reed testified during both phases of the trial, swearing and telling jurors he didn't care if they sent him to prison for life.

      "There's things I choose to do, like, if I go in a store and choose to take a Snicker's bar," Reed testified. "If you catch me, you catch me. If not, I'm going to go home and eat it up and go on about my business, dog."

      At one point, he made an obscene hand gesture toward a retired Texas Ranger who testified against him. Reed had tried to rob the retired officer four years earlier but was overpowered by him.

      In the cell phone incident, the owner had another phone with him and called the missing cell phone's number as he walked up the street. He could hear its distinctive "Aggie War Hymn" ring coming from Reed's pocket, so he followed him and demanded the phone back.

      Reed gave back the phone but then hit the owner several times.

      Prosecutors had offered Reed a 15-year plea deal before trial, but he rejected it."

      Now that the facts are straight, does anyone care to dispute the fairness of the sentence?

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    12. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      And also, here's the full story on the snickers thief: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/040700-01.ht m ...again, I think the jury did their job in light of all the facts.

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    13. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      Or he's insane enough not to make an insanity defense... that's why we have independent experts evaluating that. Or maybe there are no such in Texas?

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    14. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      ...or maybe you're just going to keep suggesting outlandish circumstances that will prop up your position in response to every citation of fact to the contrary. Please, continue. It's almost entertaining.

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    15. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      What is so outlandish in the suggestion that someone's insanity should be evaluated by independent experts?

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    16. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      What's outlandish is the notion that the criminal in this case somehow managed to fool countless defense teams and members of the legal system into thinking he was fit to stand trial when he was not. The guy is a career criminal. If he'd had even one chance of making an insanity defense against any of his numerous crimes, he'd have done it by now.

      Seriously, this point doesn't need any more exploration. Either you get it or you don't.

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    17. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      He or his lawyers?

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    18. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      Right now I'm thinking about doing a Weird Al-style parody of Bone Thugz N Harmony's "Thuggish Ruggish Bone" -- the working title is "Polish Trollish Troll." Can I book you for the video shoot?

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    19. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      You're WEAK.

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    20. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      As the acronym-infatuated are wont to say -- LOL ;)

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    21. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      At least you think you read something funny. I did not have the chance.

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    22. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      OK, up until this point it's been a harmless exchange, but that *really hurts*. I'm going to go cry in the corner and question my reason for living now, having been so utterly devastated by your merciless and unstoppable verbal assault. Please spare me!

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    23. Re:Nice kid by RWerp · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go cry in the corner and question my reason for living now

      No need to waste time on mere rhetorics.

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    24. Re:Nice kid by terrahertz · · Score: 1

      In case you didn't notice, I stopped taking this seriously about 3 posts ago. Why you keep making these apparently genuine efforts to attack and insult me is anyone's guess, but at the top of my list is: you're in love with having the last word. So go ahead -- prove me wrong -- and shut yer trap already.

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  6. Radisson? by alexhohio · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can he stay at a hilton?

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    1. Re:Radisson? by daniil · · Score: 1

      Yeah, actually, I read that all the jails are so overcrowded that the Justice Department has started to outsource some penal institutions. They said they were going to transfer this guy to the Bangkok Hilton :7

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    2. Re:Radisson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you seen the video? With a big enough bottle of wine anyone can stay in a Hilton.

      Oh *at* a Hilton....

  7. Less about Hilton by CMF+Risk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More to do with all those bomb-threats me thinks =)

    1. Re:Less about Hilton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so sure...

    2. Re:Less about Hilton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to do with all those bomb-threats me thinks

      But that wouldn't be as sexy for a headline. You gotta think like a slashdot editor.

  8. Is it just me? by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or did I completely miss the story about the kid getting busted for this?

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  9. Cue the apologists by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm sure we'll now hear that this poor kid's untapped potential for technical greatness is being stifled. Cry me a river. The kid sounds like a felon-in-training to me.

    Maybe during his probation period he should be required to listen to Paris Hilton's commentaries on current events, nonstop.

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    1. Re:Cue the apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, that would be cruel and unusual punishment!

    2. Re:Cue the apologists by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe during his probation period he should be required to listen to Paris Hilton's commentaries on current events, nonstop.

      Amendment VIII

      Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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    3. Re:Cue the apologists by Seumas · · Score: 1

      No, he sounds like a future National Enquirer employee to me.

      What he did is probably done hundreds of times per year, but never reported, within the paparazzi circles.

    4. Re:Cue the apologists by Cromac · · Score: 1
      Maybe during his probation period he should be required to listen to Paris Hilton's commentaries on current events, nonstop.

      It could be worse, they could make him watch re-runs of "The Simpleton Life" with her and Nicole.

    5. Re:Cue the apologists by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 1

      that is such a totally great quote. that's hot

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    6. Re:Cue the apologists by imr · · Score: 1

      I'm sure we'll now hear that this poor kid's untapped potential for technical greatness is being stifled
      Actually no, he is going to receive advanced trainings in areas he wouldnt have heard of otherwise and his potential for technical evil is going to florish.

    7. Re:Cue the apologists by glazed · · Score: 1

      Felons get the *best* education in jail.

      They start out as a fish and then through apprentice work and if their sentence is long enough they can move on to journeyman and further.

    8. Re:Cue the apologists by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      The kid sounds like a felon-in-training to me.

      It's a good thing he has been sentenced to 11 months in a juvenile facility. When he gets out, he'll be fully trained and able to get a job as a professional felon.

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    9. Re:Cue the apologists by Triumph's+Nemesis · · Score: 1

      Here's another quote...get to work. I hope you think that is just as hot.

  10. To coin a phrase... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1, Troll

    He was "Mitnicked"...

    *ba bum bum bing*

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    1. Re:To coin a phrase... by Fox_1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      He most certainly was not Mitnicked, that would require 4 years of imprisonment without a trial. It would require overzealous prosecution by the state and the media. This kid got a speedy trial, not imprisonment without a trial, and a relatively light sentence considering the scope of his crimes.

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    2. Re:To coin a phrase... by wwest4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, but you also forgot to mention that Paris Hilton isn't nearly as vain as Tsutomu "Takedown" Shimomura.

    3. Re:To coin a phrase... by Fox_1 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't figure out how to work a reference to him, but you got it nailed. It's interesting too, what the kid did was very personal (at least the stuff to P. Hilton) but what Mitnick did was relatively random (in that he wasn't specifically targetting an individual, just goofing around with big corporations). Paris was understandable pissed but didn't hunt the kid down where he slept, whereas Tsutomu took a very hard core stance and actions against Kevin, to him it was personal.

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    4. Re:To coin a phrase... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you usually dont get a trial when you actively work to make sure it is delayed.

      that was why mitnick was in prison for 4 years awaiting trial, his lawyers and him made sure of it.

    5. Re:To coin a phrase... by temojen · · Score: 1

      It's amazing what happens when you use the police force intended to prevent political assasinations to investigate property crimes.

    6. Re:To coin a phrase... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And of course Mitnick waiving his right to a speedy trial and his defense team requesting delays during the trial had NOTHING to do with why it took so long, right?

    7. Re:To coin a phrase... by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Prior to the trial, I mean, not during.

    8. Re:To coin a phrase... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Informative
      He most certainly was not Mitnicked, that would require 4 years of imprisonment without a trial.

      Sure Mitnick got a trial, when he was arrested he was already a parole violator, so he went straight back to jail to complete his sentence. He could have got a quicker trial but his attorney was negotiating a plea bargain - he eventually pled guilty.

      Mitnick was adept at social engineering, he appears to have socialy engineered you into thinking that he was somehow hard done by. He got the five year sentence for his sxith conviction, not his first (three of his convictions were as a juvenile).

      If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

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    9. Re:To coin a phrase... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Not so!

      The Secret Service was orignally set up to deal with counterfeiting. This was quickly expanded to include the investigation of fraud directed at the government, then federal level financial and securities fraud, then identify theft, and they finally got the remit to go after "hackers" in PATRIOT.

      The whole "taking a bullet for Dubya" thing is a sort of side-line they drifted into by accident. At the time of McKinley's assasination they got the gig. There weren't as many federal law enforcement agencies at that time, though I'm surprised the US Marshalls didn't get it.

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  11. 2 Years by Enfurno · · Score: 0

    Tisk Tisk. No internet for you for two years... lol. What about library access? Do they think it is possible to monitor this person's usage of the network. Get an account under a parents name, friend, etc.. Just another attempt at our justice system trying to administer punishment that isn't at all possible to uphold.

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    1. Re:2 Years by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a deterrent in that if he gets caught, he's in violation of the court order which could get his ass thrown back in jail.

    2. Re:2 Years by thrift24 · · Score: 1

      It's stupid is what it is. Telling someone they can't get on the internet because their crime was related to the internet makes no sense. If a juvinille goes out on the street and steal someone's cellphone physically, then do whatever they want with the information of the phone, do they get banned from walking on the street for two years? No, that's stupid. This is just as stupid, we are talking about someone under 18, possibly say 16 years old. Do you know how much MORE trouble I would have caused if at 16 I wasn't able to use a computer connected to the internet. First off I wouldn't know half the shit I do about computers, which would mean I'd be careerless, if I was working at all. Second off do these people realise what teenagers do when they get bored and have no outlet's to amuse themselves with? This guy can't even get on XBOX Live and shoot some of his friends on the latest iteration of Halo. I know what I did when I was younger and had nothing to do, I got myself into some kind of mischief. It's not like the internet is this thing that a lot of people don't have access to, as a teenager today, if you have no internet and no cell phone, you probably don't have a very good social life. And people with bad social live's tend to do unsocial things. This is just taking someone who did some stupid things and setting them up for continued failure.

    3. Re:2 Years by bani · · Score: 1

      or maybe it'll force him to stop using computers to attack people and get a life instead.

    4. Re:2 Years by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      or maybe it'll force him to stop using computers to attack people and get a life instead.


      How does one be a productive member of society when not permitted to use computers?

      In general, such restrictions mean that:
      - One cannot apply for a job. Most places require a resume, which is normally typed to remain competitive (even if it is something as simple as an apprentice plumber.) As you know, typewriters are considered too obsolete to be found normally.
      - Even if one can apply, it can't be in 3/4 of the market that permits (or provides employment) to convicts. Even something as Cashier requires using a computer. Don't say that there's going to be exceptions - the USA legal system (among others) is still struggling with the new concept of computers.
      - One cannot progress in education. Given massive workloads in High-school, you need a computer to even complete the assignments (not counting freakinh schools that require ise of laptops.) Same applies to college/university. BTW, note that the offender is a juvenile - a.k.a. high school student (as mandated by laws in most industrial countries.)

      The government might as well lock him up for the full two years. As far as I'm concerned, banning computer use is no different than banning vehicle usage (even as a passenger of a friend's car.)

    5. Re:2 Years by bani · · Score: 1

      How does one be a productive member of society when not permitted to use computers?

      Ask kevin mitnick, or kevin lee poulsen. both seem to have managed just fine. just because you can't imagine being a functioning member of society without a computer doesn't mean it's not possible.

  12. Maybe t-mobile will learn. by crazygeek02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe T-mobile will get their act together now and fix all the problems. Who knows.

    1. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowing the T- family for years, I seriously doubt that. Ask any German on that if you don't believe me. :)

    2. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe T-mobile will get their act together now and fix all the problems

      I wish they would. I have several problems for them to solve.

      First, I have a stomach ache. Once they solve that, then I need them to solve the energy crisis. And I have an application my intern wrote that has a lot of bugs in it they could fix.

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    3. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by joshuaobrien · · Score: 1

      Maybe T-mobile will get their act together now and fix all the problems. Who knows.

      I do: they won't.

    4. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please try you call again later.

      I don't think they will ever fix their poor reception and absolutely shitty oversold service.

    5. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by dshaw858 · · Score: 1

      Maybe T-mobile will get their act together now and fix all the problems. Who knows.

      Didn't this guy just guess her password? I'm pretty sure it was something like that.

      The guy didn't hax0r all of T-Mobile just to get photos of Paris Hilton.

      - dshaw

    6. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um - you all need to pay attention better - he got in because he guessed her password on the sidekick - easy social hacking actually - it was her dogs name.

      I fail to see how thats t-mobiles fault - it's just that she's a complete idiot.

    7. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I think that mgmt of companies that leave such holes gaping open should be charged equally as the hackers due to their neglect of security. It's one thing to get owned by an especially clever hacker that penetrates your well defended system but another if you get owned by some kid cus you have suck ass security. If you're neglect puts other people at risk then it should be as much a crime as taking advantage of that neglect.

      I did appreciate the Paris Hilton pics though. ;)

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    8. Re:Maybe t-mobile will learn. by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe T-mobile will get their act together now and fix all the problems.

      Why would they do that? The guy responsible was caught and is now going to jail... The system is now secure!

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  13. Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What's your problem with young women who enjoy sex?

    Haven't been getting any? You are pathetic.

    1. Re:Pathetic by zakezuke · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What's your problem with young women who enjoy sex?

      I am the first to say there is nothing wrong with women who enjoy sex. This is happy. Paris Hilton can enjoy as much sex as she wants. However this doesn't mean I want to see Paris Hilton popups everywhere. Paris Hilton popups are not happy. If a persons only redeaming quality is the enjoyment of sex... it doesn't make for a healthy relationship. This is not happy. A person who uses sex to get attention also isn't happy.

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    2. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen.

      I personally have a problem with both the "hacker" and Paris. The guy did something illegal, and now he's going to jail for it. Good.
      Paris, who may enjoy sex and is perfectly normal, really does use it for attention. It seems to be her only saving grace, and I bet she wouldn't be on TV otherwise. People who parade their sexual conduct in public for everyone to see are just degrading themselves.

    3. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What eats away at me is the society that keeps paying attention to Paris "thats hot" Hilton. Isnt that a sign of the end days?

    4. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Less likely to be the end days, but more likely to be the end of intelligence.

    5. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm all for women who like to fuck, but judging from her sex-tape aloofness, Paris isn't one of them.

    6. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i look at it this way, when all the taboos are gone and we can even rationalize away killing people society ends.

    7. Re:Pathetic by Bent+Mind · · Score: 2, Funny

      A person who uses sex to get attention also isn't happy.

      Unless the attention they want is sexual. After all, my Wife uses sex to get my attention from time to time, and she seems quite happy when I'm done.

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    8. Re:Pathetic by Mo+Bedda · · Score: 1

      i look at it this way, when all the taboos are gone and we can even rationalize away killing people society ends.

      Killing people has been part of society since the beginning, and probably before. The rationalizations vary somewhat over time, but they are certainly not new; and, certainly not a sign of the end of society.

    9. Re:Pathetic by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Unless the attention they want is sexual. After all, my Wife uses sex to get my attention from time to time, and she seems quite happy when I'm done.

      The point I was trying to make without resorting to using terms associated with classicly unladylike behavior was the fact that the desire to have sex is just spiffy, the ability to enjoy sex is just dandy. This in it self is perfectly normal, nothing to be ashamed of, and healthy. But I would think, or hope that your relationship is based on more than just sex. I don't think of this as being a sexist attitude as I don't find male bimbos a whole bunch of fun either. I'm all for sex but convos that are one level deep "Oh I had a wonderful saturday... I met a woman who allow me to put my penis in her vagina."

      The only thing I know about Paris Hilton is the fact that she has breasts and a vagina... and I know this because i've seen them popup from time to time in the form of animated gifs. To be honest, i'm not sure I know what the rest of her looks like. While I'm generally fond of the vagina... and breasts.. the arbitrary vagina poping up randomly isn't very... eroitc. When I meet a woman, even one who I am attracted to... I would tend to walk away if she were to for example say, "Hello, my name is Gwen and this is my vagina. Would you be so kind as to stick it in?" Call me silly but I don't find that to be... romantic.

      I'm sure i'll be modded down for misquoting Ms. Cho. (Hi my name is Gwen and i'm here to worsh your vagina)

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    10. Re:Pathetic by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm visiting the wrong web site but the most common part of Hilton I see would be her strange droopy dawg face. She's got eyes like Sylvester Stalone.

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    11. Re:Pathetic by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm visiting the wrong web site but the most common part of Hilton I see would be her strange droopy dawg face. She's got eyes like Sylvester Stalone.

      I don't know what she looks like. I know I have nieces who have told me that Paris starred in things like Simple Life, something I don't watch. Also somone told me Paris was in Zoolander as some random model, but hell if I know which model she happened to be. But I have seen popups for the porno.

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    12. Re:Pathetic by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Funny how you could meet her in the street and not recognise her unless she whipped the boys out :-)

      "Ah, so that's where I've seen you before.."

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  14. DOS? by cached · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    In June, a second phone company became a victim to the juvenile's attack, according to the U.S. Attorney's statement. A phone that had been activated fraudulently was disabled, and the teen retaliated with a denial-of-service attack on the company's Web site when it refused to reactivate the phone.

    Im not trying to troll, but what kind of professional website gets harmed by a DOS attack anymore. Slashdot alone should make webmasters think twice before putting up a service with a server that cant handle DOS attacks. :)

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    1. Re:DOS? by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 2, Informative

      With a DOS or the more popular Distributed version, it's just a matter of sheer strength.

      The amount of bandwidth these kids can harness to sling around is amazing, have you been on IRC (preferably EFnet) much? Now, with non-inept systems admins, and network guys... DoS attacks can be thwarted somewhat

      But, again, it's sheer power. Some kid has a bunch of obscure boxes rooted all sitting on fat pipes... it can be bad

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    2. Re:DOS? by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1

      They didn't say the attack wasn't distributed. And I hope you weren't trying to say that handling DDOS attacks is a piece of cake...

    3. Re:DOS? by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      You would be surprised. There's not a whole lot you can do when your network gets hammered by 20,000 zombie cable modems going full throttle from around the world. You can filter the traffic at the various backbones, or through someone with a *really* fat pipe, but 1-2 gbit/s is a lot of data.

      Large botnets of trojaned machines are pretty powerful. There are ways of beating them but it requires money. And once you beat a decent hacker one way, he won't let you do it again.

  15. Thats cold..... by VATechTigger · · Score: 0
    He's also not allowed to own or use a computer, a cellphone, or any other device that can access the Internet for two years

    I mean, considering that today there are almost no new electronic devices that dont access the internet. If this were 5 years from now and smart toilets were the norm, he would be screwed.

    1. Re:Thats cold..... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

      Well then getting "screwed" is something he'll have time to get used to in jail them...heck it'll probably feel the same way now that it will in 5 years if he does it again...

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  16. Many mistakes in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The numbers included those of rapper Eminem, actor Vin Diesel, singers Christina Aguilera and Ashlee Simpson, and tennis players Andy Roddick and Anna Kournikova.

    I count at least 4 mistakes in this one sentence alone!

    1. Re:Many mistakes in article by cybersaga · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Let me guess: "rapper", "actor", "singers", and "tennis players".

    2. Re:Many mistakes in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, ive seen that one girl play tennis once, I think the singers counted double though.

    3. Re:Many mistakes in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on. Christina CAN sing, even if you can't stand her music. I'll give you three mistakes.

    4. Re:Many mistakes in article by gnovos · · Score: 1

      No, Paris just knows a lot of people with names very similar, but not exactly, like famous people.

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  17. Script Kiddies..... by OxygenPenguin · · Score: 3, Funny

    We present your leader. All bow to the alpha kiddie.

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  18. YRO? by general_re · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't for the life of me figure out why stuff like this keeps getting stuck in the YRO section. As far as I can tell, the only person whose rights were in any danger was Paris Hilton - granted, her privacy is largely a theoretical concept these days, but nevertheless, what possible bearing does this kind of thing have on my rights online?

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    1. Re:YRO? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      My right to not have to look at her every three clicks was seriously impinged upon for a week or two.

    2. Re:YRO? by daniil · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard? All your (online) rights have been 'eroded', so there's really nothing left to post but gossip...

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    3. Re:YRO? by Otter · · Score: 2, Funny
      As far as I can tell, the only person whose rights were in any danger was Paris Hilton...

      No, it's Paris Hilton *and* everyone in her address book! That may not include dweebs like you, but the average Slashbot certainly has to be concerned about having his personal information get in the hands of the paparazzi.

    4. Re:YRO? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I can't for the life of me figure out why stuff like this keeps getting stuck in the YRO section. As far as I can tell, the only person whose rights were in any danger was Paris Hilton - granted, her privacy is largely a theoretical concept these days, but nevertheless, what possible bearing does this kind of thing have on my rights online?

      Don't know about you, but I have a cell phone. Oh, and everybody that was in the phonebook had to get their phone numbers changed, notify people, etc.

      Seems like a reasonable choice to me.

    5. Re:YRO? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe because, in America, we have this sentimental nutty idea that "the punishment should fit the crime" and imprisoning anyone (much less a kid) for a year or more for cracking someone's cellphone while violent criminals get away with little or no penalty is hard to justify.

    6. Re:YRO? by general_re · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's true - those bastards at the Enquirer never come around any more, since I stopped having drug-fueled weekend-long threesomes with Jennifer Aniston and Gwyneth Paltrow. sniff

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    7. Re:YRO? by general_re · · Score: 1
      Well, sure. On the other hand, I once had my wallet stolen - had to get a new driver's license, credit cards, etc. It was a pain. But I don't think that single incident is indicative of a trend towards people losing their right to carry a wallet, or any other general pattern of infringement on one's wallet-carrying rights.

      Now, when the state starts breaking into cellphones, on the other hand, or stops punishing people who do so, then I think we can file this under YRO a bit more comfortably. Until then, maybe we need a "sometimes bad people do bad things" category, or a "shit happens" category.

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    8. Re:YRO? by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      Don't you understand that everything on slashdot has to fit into only a few narrowly defined topics? Anytime there's ever a story involving the law it's filed under "your rights online". It doesn't matter if it involves the internet, anyones rights, or neither of the two. The story could be about someone caught stealing an ipod in Zimbabwe, but since it involves something electronic and theft, it's "your rights online".

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    9. Re:YRO? by Idealius · · Score: 1

      lol

      thanks for a laugh ..and mastubatory fantasy material ^^

    10. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your (online) rights belong to us.

    11. Re:YRO? by griffjon · · Score: 1

      her privacy is largely a theoretical concept these days

      Theoretical? Why, I've seen her private parts on video, they most certainly exist, even if they are a bit on the skinny side.

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    12. Re:YRO? by general_re · · Score: 1
      accessing T-Mobile USA's internal systems and posting data from Paris Hilton's mobile phone on the Web will serve 11 months in a juvenile facility. The teenager pleaded guilty last week to a series of hacking incidents, the theft of personal information and making bomb threats to high schools in Florida and Massachusetts, according to a statement from the U.S. attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

      All crimes took place over a 15-month period, beginning in March 2004. Victims suffered a total of about US$1 million in damages, according to the statement.
      ...
      In addition to the T-Mobile incident and making bomb threats at high schools, the teen admitted to hacking into the network of a major Internet service provider, a data broker and a second major telephone provider, according to the U.S. attorney statement.

      In the case of the ISP, the teen was able in August 2004 to access computers on the company's internal network and obtain proprietary information by installing a rogue program on an employee's computer, according to the statement. The ISP was America Online, a source familiar with the matter said Wednesday.

      In January, the minor gained access to the systems of a data broker, which he used to look up information on individuals, according to the U.S. Attorney's statement. The data broker is LexisNexis, WashingtonPost.com reported. LexisNexis earlier this year said an intrusion into its databases may have compromised personal information of about 310,000 Americans.

      In June, a second phone company became a victim to the juvenile's attack, according to the U.S. Attorney's statement. A phone that had been activated fraudulently was disabled, and the teen retaliated with a denial-of-service attack on the company's Web site when it refused to reactivate the phone.

      Eleven months is excessive? Gotta disagree with you there - considering that we're talking about a veritable spree here, I don't think eleven months is especially cruel or unusual. It's a bit beyond prank-calling Paris's pals, don't you think?

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    13. Re:YRO? by j0nb0y · · Score: 1

      I'm not so upset about the year in prison as I am about not being able to use a PC or the Internet at all for a few years following. How is this kid supposed to get any kind of an education if he can't use computers? And the number of jobs he could get are severely curtailed by this as well. I'm just not sure the Judge in this case realizes how much this type of punishment will affect this child's future. Should he be punished? Yes. But cut the no computers crap and make him do community service instead. At least then he can continue with his life.

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    14. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shit.slashdot.org ?

    15. Re:YRO? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      If he were an adult, I'd agree with you. But if he's 17 now and was about 16 when he began all this, he's not an adult. I don't think it's helpful or appropriate to sentence a child to prison (even juvie) for non-violent crimes.

      Put him on probation, sure. Restrict him from technology, sure. Make him do an ass-load of community service, sure. But stick him in juvie with kids who are there for stabbing people, burning down houses and rape? Fuck that.

      If he were a big corporation that compromised the data of ten times as many Americans (accidentally or even intentionally for money), I doubt anyone would do prison time. The company as a whole would get a fine (slap on the wrist) and promise to "investigate and improve our data handling methods and securities".

      But because he's a kid and an individual, he's spooky and evil and has to be locked up. Because I'm sure the one thing he'll learn locked up with a bunch of VIOLENT people for a year is how to be responsible and helpful and contribute to society and improve his life.

    16. Re:YRO? by Nos. · · Score: 1

      You're kidding right? Does a drunk driver get to keep his license because the bus doesn't come right to his house? How many jobs outside of the IT sector, require any more than basic computer knowledge (which I'm sure he can maintain during his sentance)? Seems to me that most people alive today completed most of their education without the need for computers. I don't see why the rights of the general populace should be threatened so this CRIMINAL can have access to the tool he used to commit his crimes.

    17. Re:YRO? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Well, as much as I agree, I think having the felony on his record will do him more damage than a couple years without a computer. Even in this day and age.

    18. Re:YRO? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Does a drunk driver get to keep his license because the bus doesn't come right to his house?

      No, but someone with a suspended license can often still drive as long as it is for work (a company car, for example). They give such exemptions all the time to people.

      So, what kind of punishment did T-Mobile get? They are clearly negligent if a 16 year old kid can crack their systems and compromise hundreds of thousands of customers' information. And what kind of punishment are the people who provided him with access to computers getting?

      If your kid took your gun to commit a crime, you'd be in trouble for leaving it laying around and not providing security and supervision for it. If a computer is (apparently, according to politicians and CEOs) just as dangerous, shouldn't adults be held liable for leaving their computers laying about? And certainly a company can be penalized for not securing the information or property of their own customers.

      But nah - let's just blame the kid and forget about the whole fact that our network and security was clearly worth shit since some highschool kid was able to get around it. If we keep all the focus on what an evil little snotty shit he is, nobody will turn an eye toward us.

    19. Re:YRO? by Flower · · Score: 1
      It's two years, not two decades. If the kid needs to learn Calc he can *gasp* read a book. Need to write a paper? He can hire someone to transcribe it or dictate too. Need to stay current on the news? He can buy a newspaper. Want to listen to some music? He can turn on the radio or put in a CD.

      I don't see how his life is suddenly derailed by that part of his punishment. Mitnick had to be without those things for a longer period of time and has been able to bring himself up to speed on current technology. If the kid wants to continue working on computers after his punishment nothing is stopping him.

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    20. Re:YRO? by general_re · · Score: 1

      Well, I respect your opinion, although I disagree. Burglary and auto theft are non-violent crimes, and I'm not especially agitated at the thought of sixteen year olds drawing a bit of time in juvie for those crimes. Considering this was done in federal court, I think it's a rather more reasonable punishment than sending him off to federal adult pound-me-in-the-ass prison, which would have been quite excessive, and more reasonable than letting him off with no time at all. While he might not fully grasp the potential consequences insofar as the likelihood of punishment is concerned - who does, at that age? - sixteen is really quite old enough to understand that what you're doing is both wrong and illegal.

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    21. Re:YRO? by deanpole · · Score: 1

      Because the icon is lady justice.

    22. Re:YRO? by rsklnkv · · Score: 1

      Maybe because at some point in your life you just might be the '1' in 1 out of 130 people who will go to jail in the "Land of the Free" during their lifetime.
      If you are implying that the fact this idiot kid deserves 11 months locked up for this then I suggest you take a much deeper look into the so-called Justice System in this country...
      The idea of putting someone in a cell for almost a year for something like this certainly could be considered 'Unusual', if not 'Cruel'. What ever happened to trying to help the misguided youth instead of simply trying (however fruitlesly) to punish them?

      (I think it was wrong of him to do it, BTW)

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    23. Re:YRO? by Nos. · · Score: 1

      No, but someone with a suspended license can often still drive as long as it is for work (a company car, for example). They give such exemptions all the time to people.
      Fine, if he is applying for a job that requires computer and/or a cell phone use, let him apply for an exemption. If the judge decides he can, let him. Just because you see a computer as an essential tool for entry into the job market doesn't mean everyone does.

      So, what kind of punishment did T-Mobile get? They are clearly negligent if a 16 year old kid can crack their systems and compromise hundreds of thousands of customers' information. And what kind of punishment are the people who provided him with access to computers getting?
      I don't know, maybe the same punishment every software company gets for having security vulnerabilities. Generally speaking, something like that would not fall under the criminal code, but under civil. So, if you really want to, you can try to sue T-Mobile. And of course we should punish every place that let him use a computer, and his ISP, and probably Microsoft if he was using a Windows OS. Good lord man, do you blame [CAR MANUFACTURER] when you get a speeding ticket? Maybe every kid that gets arrested for shoplifting a choclate bar should also have Hershey and 7-11 dragged into court... afterall Hershey made the choclate bar, and 7-11 displayed it on the rack.

      But nah - let's just blame the kid and forget about the whole fact that our network and security was clearly worth shit since some highschool kid was able to get around it. If we keep all the focus on what an evil little snotty shit he is, nobody will turn an eye toward us.
      So instead, let just give the CRIMINAL a slap on the wrist and 11 months in juvenile? Come on, this kid was calling in bomb threats. The kid abused a tool, and now that tool will be denied to him for a time. I have no sympathy for him. Worst case scenario, he's a few years behind, and will have to do some catching up. Guess he should have thought about that before committing the crimes he did.

    24. Re:YRO? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      sixteen is really quite old enough to understand that what you're doing is both wrong and illegal.


      I might agree with you if we didn't have set precedent for lower expectations, responsibilities and judgement from adults under 21 and children under 18.

      Maybe I'll accept such penalties for children committing non-violent "hacking" crimes when we treat drunk drivers and wife-beaters and child-abusers and rapists with the same ferocity. I'm more worried about all the drunks that are allowed to drive around after the first, second, tenth DUI than I am about some kid breaking into my NGAGE from his bedroom.

    25. Re:YRO? by Jackmn · · Score: 1

      Childhood is no excuse - he fully understood the damage he was doing.

      The violence involved in crimes has nothing to do with how damaging they are to society. The only time violence should come into play is when questioning the sanity of the perp.

      He deserves anything he has coming. I personally hope he gets painfully murdered for being such a little prick.

    26. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's so stupid.

      That's like saying that if parents let their child run out of their sight and the child was subsequently kidnapped, that the kidnapper should not be punished because they never would have had the opportunity to commit the crime had the parents not been negiligent.

      Hell, why not punish the T-Mobile customers for not doing due diligence on their mobile services provider? Shouldn't they have done a port scan against a set of sensitive T-Mobile servers to verify that sufficient security measure were being taken before signing that contract?

      Look, while there were many negigent people involved, only one person had criminal intent, and it was the kid. This wasn't white hat, this was a severe, malicious violation of privacy. It's _thuggish_ behavior - like stealing or vandalism, only done with a computer. Not allowing the little criminal to use a computers for several years is fair and appropriate. Juvenile detention, restitution, and public service should be involved, too.

      Also, whoever wrote the kit the kid used should probably be held responsible to some degree, just like gun manufacturers that direct mail catalogs to the Bloods and Crips.

    27. Re:YRO? by Solandri · · Score: 1
      imprisoning anyone (much less a kid) for a year or more for cracking someone's cellphone while violent criminals get away with little or no penalty is hard to justify.

      Yeah, I'm sure that there are no crackers out there who get away with little or no penalty.

    28. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but someone with a suspended license can often still drive as long as it is for work (a company car, for example). They give such exemptions all the time to people.


      I call bullshit. Cite a source. (Any source.)

    29. Re:YRO? by j0nb0y · · Score: 1

      He's at a time in his life when most people with his intelligence go to college. There's no way he can go through college without a computer.

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    30. Re:YRO? by Flower · · Score: 1
      No. The kid was old enough to know right from wrong. Period. He made multiple decisions with the full knowledge that they were wrong and merited punishment if he were caught. Well, he got caught.

      Now, as for punishing T-Mobile. How about... Don't buy their insecure shit? How about.... Have Snoop Dogg and Paris sue them? Or have all the SideKick users out there file a class-action.

      The biggest fallacy in your PC/Gun comparison is that the gun is obviously dangerous in society's eyes and the computer is never going to be due to all the legitimate legal uses it has. I don't have to lock up my hammer or hedge trimmer. Somebody's kid could set another on fire with a can of Off and Zippo. Does that mean I have to have a nozzle lock on insect repellant?

      Damn straight the kid is going to get blamed. And rightfully so. That doesn't preclude the SideKick customers from punishing T-Mobile by filing suit or dropping their contracts. Isn't going to be me because, as I don't own a SideKick, I have no standing to take action against T-Mobile.

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    31. Re:YRO? by j0nb0y · · Score: 1

      I would agree, but he's a minor. Legally, the felony should be stricken from his record when he turns 18. Under the law, as an adult, he shouldn't have to tell anyone about this incident.

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    32. Re:YRO? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      The honest reason? YRO is a poorly-named section. It's the closest thing /. has to a "Law" section, which is where stories like this would be better placed. As a result, a lot of law-related stories get put here because it's the closest thing to what the story actually relates to.

      Personally I would like to see YRO renamed to (or retired in favour of) a new "Law for Nerds" section.

    33. Re:YRO? by j0nb0y · · Score: 1

      First of all, unlike drunk drivers, the vast majority of computer criminals haven't endangered lives with their crimes.

      Secondly, the no driving obstacle won't trouble you too much. Just move to a city that has lots of public transportation. No one will necessarilly even know that you can't drive.

      On the other hand, try to go through college without a computer. You'll have to tell every professor of your problem, as email communication with faculty these days is practically standard. And many of my classes required email to hand in assignments. And no, these weren't computer classes.

      I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. What I'm saying is that this particular punishment is an obstacle to his successful rehabilitation. If he doesn't learn to use his computer skills in a constructive manner, then he is bound to use them again to repeat his criminal actions.

      The goal here isn't to make this kid an outcast, it's to turn him into a productive member of society. He's not a career criminal. At least not yet. He's a minor, and he should be treated accordingly.

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    34. Re:YRO? by karuna · · Score: 1

      You're kidding right? Does a drunk driver get to keep his license because the bus doesn't come right to his house?

      That's the wrong comparison. It is more closely that if you drove a car to the bank and commited a robbery there, after serving your sentence, you were forbidden to drive a car, including use of public transportation and even ride a bike on public roads. After all, you know, the roads lead to many banks and you already misused your privilege to use them. And don't say that is not fair, he still can walk everywhere.[/sarcasm]

      Drunk drivers often are addicted to drinking, it is difficult for them to stop drinking, thus I can understand the harsh measures taken. But is hacking addictive? I think that 11 months in juvenile facility will send the message more than enough.

    35. Re:YRO? by Flower · · Score: 1
      There's plenty of people out there who hold off on college due to lack of funds or they need a couple of years to grow up and leverage their education. Seems like he falls squarely into the latter category. Heck, he can join the military, put in four years and get his college tuition paid for by the government.

      And what intelligence are we talking about here? I'm not seeing him using some zero-day to crack Hilton's phone. Or some way to cleverly hide his tracks from the phone company when calling in a ****bomb threat****. There are plenty of people with his intelligence that wind up doing squat for whatever reason. Most of them probably have had the foresight and morale fiber to not call in a bomb threat. If the world isn't lamenting or raising a finger to get them a helping hand then why should it invest any effort to help this kid out? Because his "antics" have made him (in)famous?

      The only way this punishment ruins his life is because he let's it ruin his life.

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    36. Re:YRO? by general_re · · Score: 1
      I might agree with you if we didn't have set precedent for lower expectations, responsibilities and judgement from adults under 21 and children under 18.

      And I suspect that's why he drew a sentence of eleven months for what he did, instead of, say, twenty one months. Or thirty six months. Or 108 months.

      Maybe I'll accept such penalties for children committing non-violent "hacking" crimes when we treat drunk drivers and wife-beaters and child-abusers and rapists with the same ferocity.

      It doesn't have to be an either-or thing, really. If you feel that society doesn't give enough weight to the punishments in those crimes, you're far more likely to have success arguing that the penalties there should be stiffened. I'll not argue.

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    37. Re:YRO? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      They are clearly negligent if a 16 year old kid can crack their systems and compromise hundreds of thousands of customers' information.

      And if somebody uses a sledgehammer to break the window or wooden door on a doctor's office in the middle of the night, and gains access to thousands of sensitive personal medical records? Is the doctor or his practice negligent for not charging their customers enough money to afford bullet-proof windows heavy steel office doors? And, since someone with a cutting torch available at Home Depot could gain access through that, is the doctor negligent for not using better-than-a-bank grade vaults for record keeping?

      If your kid took your gun to commit a crime, you'd be in trouble for leaving it laying around and not providing security and supervision for it.

      Depends on the jurisdiction. Some laws like that have been shot down (so to speak) because saying the same thing about gallons of gas or kitchen knives wouldn't pass the same test. But what you're arguing for is really for not assigning blame to the parents when it comes to guns, rather than assigning them more blame when it comes their kid's misuse of the household net connection, or car, or croquet mallet.

      apparently, according to politicians and CEOs

      Well, you're just making stuff up, now. Politicians and CEOs don't say the computers are dangerous. They say that a lot of jackasses and criminals both petty and grand are making lots of uses of computers. Like they used to (and still) do with the US mail, fax machine, telephones, bank transfers, overseas shipping, etc.

      And certainly a company can be penalized for not securing the information or property of their own customers.

      Can they? By what standard? How secure? If I back up some heavy equipment, knock down a cinderblock wall, and literally take away your server room, are you a criminal for "letting" me do it?

      If we keep all the focus on what an evil little snotty shit he is, nobody will turn an eye toward us.

      Is this the first time you've heard of this? That T-Mobile got hacked was all over the news, and for a change, not just the techie news. The focus was pretty much entirely on T-Mobile and the associated victims, not on the punk that did the social cracking.

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    38. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would the military want a felon who can't use computers? Even burger flippers use computers; this guy will be lucky to find work as a janitor.

    39. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that redundant?

    40. Re:YRO? by Flower · · Score: 0, Troll

      Juvie record and the restriction on computer usage is for two years after his sentence. Since we basically don't know squat about him it is possible that all of this is moot and he gets a fresh start by the time he's 18. And I hate to sound crude but I don't see what prevents the kid from humping a pack, shooting a rifle, driving a vehicle, working a mess hall or whatever. Not everything the military does depends on being able to work on a computer or device with Internet access.

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    41. Re:YRO? by CommieOverlord · · Score: 1

      when we treat drunk drivers and wife-beaters and child-abusers and rapists with the same ferocity

      I'm all for harsher punishments for those crimes. But saying that some crimes have lax enforcement and so we should treat other crimes laxly too, seems a weird argument to me. We increase enforcement of some, not decrease it for others.

    42. Re:YRO? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Maybe because at some point in your life you just might be the '1' in 1 out of 130 people who will go to jail in the "Land of the Free" during their lifetime.

      You make it sound like it's random, or that there's nothing you can do to alter your odds. Start looking at those stats through the lens of reality (rather than while trying to score some cheap political points) and you'll see that there is a very large recidivist population that skews the numbers by returning to prison many times during their lives by repeatedly doing things that put them there. Since we can hopefully presume that you don't beat people up, steal things, cheat on your taxes, defraud people, sell stolen pharmaceutical opiates, etc., then we can assume that your odds of going to prison are actually very, very slim (verging on non-existent).

      If you are implying that the fact this idiot kid deserves 11 months locked up for this then I suggest you take a much deeper look into the so-called Justice System in this country

      Or, you could look at the larger picture and take into account his repeated bomb threats, theft of services by setting up other people with stolen accounts, and breaking into the extremely sensitive LexisNexis system (a gold mine for identity theft).

      What ever happened to trying to help the misguided youth instead of simply trying (however fruitlesly) to punish them?

      Well, he can get help while also helping others. He can use 11 months to reflect a little bit on breaches of trust and stolen services, and he can serve as a shining example of locked-up malice (none of what he did was accidental) for his cracker acquaintences to ponder while they're still on the outside. People in prison (other than those that spend their time inside causing even more trouble) have the opportunity to study, read, write, etc. Of course, since this guy has demonstrated repeatedly that he finds a net-connected computer to be best used in ripping people off, threatening them, and prowling for large caches of sensitive personal information, he won't be doing much studying that way for the next two years.

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    43. Re:YRO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears you can't even enlist without taking the ASVAB test (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery), which has been computerized for a few years now. And the military (unlike virtually any other employer) has access to juvenile convictions and other sealed records, so the bureaucracy would have to make a special exception to take him, and I don't see why they would.

    44. Re:YRO? by rsklnkv · · Score: 1

      Actually, my stats may have been a bit out of date. Here's another take on it :
      http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/llgsfp.htm

      Now, the idea that recidivism is responsible for these insanely high numbers is not althogether true. Over the past few decades we've experienced record numbers of new convicts. Yes, recidivism is a problem with unbelievably high numbers, but it simply does not account for the massive increase in prison population. With longer sentances, and no real data to back this up I'm curious where you got that idea. If you have some info I'd love to see it. This kid should not serve as a shining example for anyone. He should face his community, realize there are real people with real issues with what he's done. Not the so-called 'Justice System', in which few have real faith anymore. Oh, wait, he probably has no community to speak of!
      "doing things that put them there"
      How about being poor or black? Does that count?
      I just don't understand the mentality of people who support a system so blindly, when it is obviously so skewed towards those with money and power. Maybe I do understand it but I really don't want to accept that folks are so apathetic. Trying to tell me that convicts have opportunities to make positive change is beyond preposterous. The culture surrounding them simply does not allow for this, even if you want to believe it does. Never spent any time locked up, huh? These facilites do not encourage change, pal. They thrive on maintaining the status quo, keeping the numbers up. These institutions are nothing without control. Racism, sexism, hate, and personal power trips are some of the tools in which this is achieved. That's not to say it cannot happen, but please don't be so niave about life in a cell.
      The idea that this guy should be disenfranchised from his family, friends, and life is simply old, tired and fear-induced thinking, IMO.
      But then again, I think living a lifestyle like Hilton is criminal by it's very essence, so we obviously have a stand off.

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    45. Re:YRO? by Flower · · Score: 1
      Moderator, you mind posting as AC and explain this 'Troll' BS? What? Having to do some honest work is some crime because he knows how to use a computer? Military service would somehow be beneath him? Hint, after the thread with the AC I did some digging. The kid needs a morale waiver to be admitted into the military.

      The possibility that all of this is a wash because his sentence may be done by the time he's 18 is offensive? An accurate reporting of the restrictions on his computer usage is too much for you to handle?

      The only possibility that you could possibly take this as a troll is if you believe that having to suffer consequences for one's actions is unjust. If that's the case I'll wear that troll mod as a badge of pride.

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  19. Well deserved by Namronorman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Both Hilton and the boy got what they deserved. She's dirty and he's a delinquent. Just because he targeted someone worth targeting doesn't mean he should go free, an example must be made. Atleast he wasn't jailed for some outrageous amount of time, like some people do for small crimes compared to others who do really bad crimes.

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  20. How Hilton Was Hacked by airherbe · · Score: 5, Informative


    An explanation of how Paris Hilton's Sidekick was hacked can be found here. A pretty interesting read.

    //J

    1. Re:How Hilton Was Hacked by MagicM · · Score: 1

      He knew the answer to the "secret question"? How is that ha..err..cracking?

      Blue... No, yellow!

    2. Re:How Hilton Was Hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, That explains how insecure her password ended up being.
      Ethics used a method of exploiting websphere to view the contents of a directory on the tmobile server to find a "stress test" file that contained a SUPERUSER login and password for their entire web-based infrastructure. Last time I talked to him, a few years ago, he was still limited to their wan access due to VPN related security. He obviously overcame that though since.

    3. Re:How Hilton Was Hacked by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Interesting read? She used her stupid dog's name for the password hint question of: "What's your favorite dogs name?"

      This is like some of the questions that PeoplePC has for its hints: "In which city did you go to high school?" Um... about 90% of the people who are buying a $10.95 per month internet service are likely in the same town now, as when they went to high school. (This is why I stopped asking that question.)

      Also, "What's your favorite pet's name?" This is usually the currently living pet. And anyone who knows you, will know this.

      The other two questions were better: "What's your mother's middle name?" and "What's your father's middle name?" Usually, mother's middle name is the same as her maiden name, and some people don't like to give it out.

      But Father's middle name? Which of your friends know that? That's a pretty solid question that you're not likely to forget.

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    4. Re:How Hilton Was Hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Password Hint Question: Do you shave your pubic hair?

      Ok, that wouldn't be a very safe question one for Paris either...

  21. 'Social engineering' is not hacking! by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its being a good con artist! So what, this guy was able to sound like paris hilton, and she picked a stupid 'password reminder' that he used to get the real info from a phone jockey at T-mobile. Calling this kid a hacker is JUST WRONG.

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    1. Re:'Social engineering' is not hacking! by Burning1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you talking about? Social engineering is the greatest tool in a hackers leatherman. What this kid did was not a difficult, and he probably doesn't deserve the term "hacker." However, what he did is certainly a valid hack.

    2. Re:'Social engineering' is not hacking! by B11 · · Score: 1
      Social Engineering is the most difficult kind of hack. To hack into a system via social engineering takes balls; the risk is so much greater and the degree of diffculty is much higher.

      It is also many times the most destructive kind of hack when executed successfully.

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    3. Re:'Social engineering' is not hacking! by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 1

      What you call hacking, I call conning. A difference of opinion between us, which is fine. I could 'hack' a grandmother out of her credit card information, but I would rather find a flaw in a device that lets me do something unintended. The latter seems more true to what 'hacking' is about and will have my respect, while the former would be better suited for a used car salesman.

      Sure, if your profession involves securing an environment where there is a human aspect. Then yeah, you'll have to protect against such attacks, since such people exist. But those who would attempt to break your security in such a fashion are good bullsh*tters, and nothing else. I don't respect that in the least or encourage it. I would never classify or group such people along with 'hackers'.

      I know the term 'hacking' has been bastardized to encompass a broad range of activities, but there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.

      For example, I was once 'hacked' by various brands of beer which made me believe a 200lb women was sexy enough to invite home. I've never respected beer since..Probably explains my bitterness with this topic....the beer had more skills than me.

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    4. Re:'Social engineering' is not hacking! by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Too much bitter beer, dude... Try some Coors. *grin* Like anything, it's all in the motivation. We respected Robin Hood. We despise billy the kid. Same tools, different motivation and objectives. Both (arguably?) successful theves. If this punk had done the same for a good cause, would we still be having this conversation? He's a black hat. A lame, punk kid. What he pulled didn't take much skill, though even some of the classic hacks are simple ones like this. Again, I wouldn't call him a hacker, because what he did was simple. Simple though it may be, I would still argue that it was a novice level hack.

    5. Re:'Social engineering' is not hacking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      For example, I was once 'hacked' by various brands of beer which made me believe a 200lb women was sexy enough to invite home.

      Dude, when she's ugly/fat/psycho, always -her- place, never yours!

  22. Serves him right. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I was already tired of seeing her nude before the hack. That man owes me serious headspace.

    1. Re:Serves him right. by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 0

      Maybe YOU were tired, but that's just because you were banging her. I've seen the video, don't try to deny it.

    2. Re:Serves him right. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      Just because I go around painted night-vision green and have awful taste in women, people go ahead and assume things...

    3. Re:Serves him right. by ki4iib · · Score: 1

      Thanks, Bob. I definitely just wasted, like, thirty minutes on your sig, read the article, showed it to my girlfriend (who loved it)...

      -sigh- all from three little words.

  23. Hmmm.. by Francis85 · · Score: 1

    Teenager who broke into Paris Hilton's cellphone, I hereby fine your family forty-five thousand dollars... ...and sentence you to probation, under which you are forbidden to own or operate a computer or touch tone telephone, until the day of your eighteenth birthday.

    1. Re:Hmmm.. by zephc · · Score: 1

      d00d! yu0 h@x0r3d t3h G!bs0n!!@!@

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    2. Re:Hmmm.. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      And for heaven's sake son, take off those damn sunglasses when you're indoors and it's nighttime!

    3. Re:Hmmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hack the planet!
      Hack the planet!

  24. Gotcha... by BrianRaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He hacked illegally, and now he's paying the price. I say he got what he deserved. Too bad the kid's a juvie. I'd like to have seen him go to a real prison.

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    1. Re:Gotcha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a lot of "good, he's getting what he deserves" comments from people who would probably have given their left nut for a chance at the same hack.

      Tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't have done what this kid did at his age, given access to Paris Fucking Hilton's cellphone.

    2. Re:Gotcha... by ettlz · · Score: 1
      ...given access to Paris Fucking Hilton's cellphone.

      What an apt middle name that young lady has!

    3. Re:Gotcha... by wesman83 · · Score: 1

      you're right, i'm sure serving 11 months in juvie is going to make him a much better and more responsible citizen, but just imagine what REAL prison could do!

    4. Re:Gotcha... by varmittang · · Score: 1

      And if my memory is correct, this doesn't even go on his adult record since he is a juvy. When he goes to get hired one day, they wont be able to find this information, or know what he did.

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    5. Re:Gotcha... by BrianRaker · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can say to you, that I would not have done such a hack to such a superficial person as Ms. Hilton, or anyone else of that nature. Next time, don't post as an AC and expect an answer.

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    6. Re:Gotcha... by rsklnkv · · Score: 1

      I'm saddened to see this kind of attitude still exists. What will it take for people to understand that locking someone up in the current prison system (juvie or adult) does nothing at all to benefit society (at least not in the long run, arguably not even in the short term), but serves to fortify the massive problems with overcrowding, unjust and racist punishment, and the complete and utter lack of anything remotely resembling rehabilitation?
      How many laws have 'you' broken this year?
      From what you have written here, it seems you really could care less about this kids future and trying to get him on the right path in life, whatever that may be. That line of thinking, I think, is the saddest bit about it all...
      It's niave to believe that many young men haven't done something equally as dispicable. Should we lock the entire country up?

      Actually, now that I think about that idea..:)

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    7. Re:Gotcha... by seriesrover · · Score: 1
      This "attitude" exists because its correct - its called consequences. Whether the prison system is overcrowded, racists or whatever is completely irrelevant to moral of him recieving punishment. All this guy had to do is NOT put effort into creating hell for a group of people. Society demands that we have set of rules to abide by and if you can't manage that then you need to go somewhere else. And yes, part of that is rehabilitation but the onus is ultimately on him - the tools are there for him to recover if thats what he wants to do.

      One of the things Katrina highlighted was what happens when a state of lawlessness happens - most people are decent but a rotten few create havoc.

    8. Re:Gotcha... by rsklnkv · · Score: 1

      Correct according to some. Certainly not all. Less everyday, I would guess. The tools are absolutely NOT there for him to 'recover'. Where did you hear that? We have consistantly removed funding for programs to help convicted criminals reintigrate into society. The reality is that kids like this are acting out in accordance with the ideals and 'morals' that are bestowed upon him from this society. I disagree that the fact that we have over two and a half million people incarcerated is meaningless. It speaks volumes! I believe my point is actually reinforced by what you are thinking about Katrina. These people are reacting. Reacting to the society which consitantly ignores, locks up and abuses them. Most of these people probably know someone in prison, or who has been in prison (see: Angola. Friggin modern slavery at its best). Considering the crimes being committed by so many of the ruling elite, it must be hard for them to not think they are going to jail simply because they are poor and black. There's really no debating that the system is inherently racist and class-based, and these facts really shouldn't be ignored, regardless of the person or crime in question. The fact that this guy has the nerve to do what he did is horrible. He needs SOMETHING to help move him onto the straight and narrow. Community work and involvement, education, etc. These are the tools that are so strong no prison walls can rival them. Whether you want it to be or not, people like this are the responsiblity of this society. Being responsible does not equal locking folks up for things like this. It equals doing every possible thing we can to help him make the right choices. You think a cell will do that? I'll tell you from experience, it will not. But I respect your opinion anyway.

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    9. Re:Gotcha... by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      You're right, as much as the cops try to scare you by telling you you'll never be able to get a job, if you're a juvie, your record is sealed when you turn 18. The only thing I'd expect it could get unsealed for is if you're trying to get an extremly high security clearance, and I'm not sure about that. All I know is that when I wound up in the juvie system as a teenager due to a bit of political activism that sort of skirted the bounds of legality (trespassing, to be precise, but for a good cause), I was told by those who handled my case that when I applied for jobs, I could quite truthfully say that I had never been convicted of a crime.

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  25. Congratulations, son. by ChrisF79 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Congratulations! You just earned yourself a high paying security job with the United States government. We are all very impressed with your unusual interview. See you in two years.

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    1. Re:Congratulations, son. by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      You just earned yourself a high paying security job with the United States government.

      By high-paying security job, you do mean that he's testing the security that's enforced by the high-paid guards, right?

  26. "Hacker"? by HugePedlar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some kid guessed her password reminder and we're calling him a hacker? Even "cracker" would be too good for this feat of leetness.

    Not sure I'd even deign to call him a script-kiddie.

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    1. Re:"Hacker"? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Guessed? He used her password hint which was "Favorite Pet's Name" and three seconds of google tells you Paris Hilton's dog's name.

      Not a guess, she put her password out there for everyone to know.

      So, the lesson here is that if you're a famous bimbo and your pet's name is on the internet.. don't use it as a password to hide your naked pictures.

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    2. Re:"Hacker"? by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      Ya, the phone thing was pretty weak, but the article says he did manage to plant a trojan in some AOL servers, and he also launched a DOS on some website he didnt like, so he is at least at script kiddie level.

    3. Re:"Hacker"? by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      Guessed? He used her password hint which was "Favorite Pet's Name" and three seconds of google tells you Paris Hilton's dog's name.


      The alternative is using "What is your first name?" as the secret question. We both know that shoddy websites that use secret question systems never give any useful choices for that mandatory field.

      In any case, that question/answer system is a security risk itself. A trained staff employee is much more secure, as they can get a general idea of something suspicious going on.
    4. Re:"Hacker"? by horza · · Score: 1

      Some kid guessed her password reminder and we're calling him a hacker? Even "cracker" would be too good for this feat of leetness.

      Not sure I'd even deign to call him a script-kiddie.


      I saw this guy who called himself a magician, but afterwards I found out that he was just hiding a card up his sleeve. Your jealousy doesn't change the fact he managed a feat you could not. It's easy after the fact to say, "oh I could do that", but the fact is you didn't. Give credit where credit is due.

      Phillip.

    5. Re:"Hacker"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what magicians do! If there really were such a thing a paranormal magic, its practicioners would have good reason to be upset at mere prestidigitators being called "magicians". Words have meaning.

    6. Re:"Hacker"? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      So, the lesson here is that if you're a famous bimbo and your pet's name is on the internet.. don't use it as a password to hide your naked pictures.

      Given these were naked pictures, maybe the secret question was "what's your favorite sex toy?"

      I kid, I kid.

      On a more serious note. Even if the security question is What's your favourite pet's name? doesn't mean you actually have to give it the correct answer. On one website I chose that as the security question, and since I don't have a pet (currently) wrote "What pet?" for the answer.

  27. The kid's going away... by Samurai+Cat! · · Score: 1

    ...largely for all the other stuff he did. Getting Paris' nudie pics were just icing on the cake.

    Of course, Hilton's connection is all you hear about this situation because it involves 1) a famous person and 2) titties, thanks to our starfucker-centric society and media. Just look at the title at the top of this page, for instance!

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  28. Re:Miguel De Icaza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Trolls should all be rounded up and killed like the animals they are.

  29. Re:Miguel De Icaza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right, but he did something good: Midnight Commander.

  30. Agency calls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the FBI, CIA, and NSA will come calling on this youngster soon. If he's that good, they will quietly snatch him up later.

  31. Re:Honestly by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 5, Funny
    I admire him. Anything bad that happens to that filthy whore the better. I'm not one to encourage the moral degredation of society.

    Oh man. You condemn hedonism as immoral and then condone another sort of bad behavior, all in the same breath. Way to go, Socrates.

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  32. "Hacking" by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hacking Paris Hilton's box would seem to be its own punishment. One is sure to contract a virus.

    -Peter

    1. Re:"Hacking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make a good point: he probably would have had an easier time getting her to do crazy naked stuff in person rather than peeping in her sidekick. That skinny white ho is literally easier than a guessable password.

    2. Re:"Hacking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. A virus from her would make me scrub my p*cker with steel wool and lemon juice.

  33. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how do I go about hiring this guy? He's good. If he can't use a pc I'll even hire someone else to to type for him.

    (seriously, he pretty much will have a line of prospective employers at his door once his time is up)

  34. Reasonable Sentence by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think 11 months is a reasonable sentence for the first offense of someone who committed a serious crime, but not a violent one.

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    1. Re:Reasonable Sentence by josh82 · · Score: 1

      "I think 11 months is a reasonable sentence for the first offense of someone who committed a serious crime, but not a violent one."

      From TFA: "one of many Bad Things(tm) that he had been up to: calling in bomb threats to schools"

      I suppose bomb threats are not necessarily "violent" crimes, but I'd be damned surprised if I were the only one surprised that he hadn't been shipped off to Gitmo Bay or some such place for performing an arguably "terrorist" act, viz., calling in bomb threats. Stuff like that seems to be especially frowned upon these days.

    2. Re:Reasonable Sentence by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      I hear what you are saying. When I was in middle school, though, we had a bomb threat every f***ing week. And every time we evacuated the building and then they called the fire department, etc. It sucked standing out in the cold in Winter.

      The high school kids were calling in all the bomb threats from a pay phone. I don't know how they eventually put a stop to it - or if they ever did, but it happened all the time I was in middle school.

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  35. T-Mobile should go to jail too by mc900ftjesus · · Score: 0

    I read about how he broke into her account. T-Mobile didn't fix the problem for weeks after this was made public. They got off easier than Gary Condit after 911.

  36. Why am I surprised... by Leomania · · Score: 2, Interesting

    breaking in to data broker LexisNexis' systems

    Now, I realize that no interconnected computer system can be 100% secure, but shouldn't a place like LexisNexis be able to keep kids like this out? Was he really that good, or are they just really lousy at computer security?

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    1. Re:Why am I surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just lousy at security.

      My brother worked for a collections firm for a couple years. After he was let go, the login / password to their site remained the same for several months before it was finally changed.

      LN's fault for one of their clients being negligent? I'd say yes since they're the ones handing out everyone's information.

      They should be required to have some more secure form of login like the password generators that Ameritech used to use for anyone using their CLEC interface. Credit card sized piece of hardware that generates a new password every minute.

    2. Re:Why am I surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's not much evidence this "dude" did any "hacking" at all. He basically just sweet-talked some people into giving up their ids and passwords.

      Furthermore, the LexisNexis breakin was at a subsidiary called Seisent, which LexisNexis had just acquired.

  37. DOD material... by teutonic_leech · · Score: 0
    Seriously, if I was a hiring manager at the DOD's IETF I would put this guy on the top of my resume heap. Seriously, after reading some of the indignant responses on this alias I wonder if any of you guys ever had anything close to a 'childhood' or 'juvenile years'. I for one got into more trouble than I care to remember during my teens and twens and didn't turn out to be public enemy #1. Like it or not, some smart kids will always try to push the envelope and although I believe that the 11 months will probably well spent I also wonder if some serious public service (e.g. cleaning up some of the mess in New Orleans) wouldn't have been a better verdict.

    Anyway, just my 2 cents... I could be wrong.

    1. Re:DOD material... by bani · · Score: 1

      did you make bomb threats? did you conduct ddos in retaliation when your ill-gotten-device was disabled?

      even as a juvenile, it takes a real kind of asshole to make bomb threats post 9/11.

    2. Re:DOD material... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG 9/11 OMG bomb threat ... high school ... yeah go sit in the corner and think about what kind of tool you are.

    3. Re:DOD material... by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      even as a juvenile, it takes a real kind of asshole to make bomb threats post 9/11.

      It could be argued that it takes a juvenile delinquent to make bomb threats. However, I don't think many juveniles care one way or the other about 9/11. Unless they were directly involved, it's something that happened years ago. 9/11 is mostly political now, and not many juveniles care much about politics.

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    4. Re:DOD material... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? 9/11 didn't involve bombs at all, and phone threats are used to reduce the body count (if the bomb is real), which is just the opposite of what Al Qaeda wants.

    5. Re:DOD material... by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      So, wait, every time something bad happens I'm supposed to remove anything that might remind anyone of it from my action set? Given how long history's been going on, I think the GP poster's only choice is to find a really original way to commit suicide. After all, he's breathing, and when Robbespiere instigated violent uprisings with his speeches, they involved a lot of breathing.

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    6. Re:DOD material... by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      Um, what are you talking about? The GP poster said:

      I for one got into more trouble than I care to remember during my teens and twens and didn't turn out to be public enemy #1. Like it or not, some smart kids will always try to push the envelope and although I believe that the 11 months will probably well spent I also wonder if some serious public service wouldn't have been a better verdict.

      Bani disagreed and tried to make the kids crime worse because of 9-11. I agreed with the GP poster and I'm tired of people trying to tie 9-11 into everything. 9-11 dramaticly changed our political landscape. However, to say a kids crime is worse because 9-11 happened is just wrong. I might have agreed when everyone was frightened that terrorists were invading and setting bombs in every house. However, even that panic has been over for years. 9-11 happened 4 years ago. It's time to move on.

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    7. Re:DOD material... by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      Uh, GP = grandparent post = step up two tiers from the current post. You stepped up three instead, reading the great-grandparent post.

      I'm pretty sure that's how the system is supposed to work, anyhow. Grandparent meant a two-generation gap when I was a kid, eh.

      Or maybe youre mod filter is set higher than mine, and you just skipped a post accidentally.

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    8. Re:DOD material... by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      youre = your. Finger slipped and hit e, thus making me look like an idiot.

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  38. MOD FUNNY! by Teun · · Score: 0
    Well, at least I hope you mean this to be a joke...

    Otherwise go out to buy a fresh newspaper so you can check todays date and try to figure out what got you transferred to the 21st Century.

    --
    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  39. This is not the same hack! by eclipxe · · Score: 0

    This: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/01/12/0750227.shtml ?tid=172

    IS not the same guy. This sentencing is for the guy that got the password and posted the phonebook online - it is not the same one linked in the story that monitored secret service emails! I should know, I work with the guy refrenced in the link above!

  40. damn haxors by kronchev · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Computer hacking is not fun and games. Hackers cause real harm to real victims," U.S Attorney Michael Sullivan said in the statement. "Would-be hackers...should be put on notice that such criminal activity will not be tolerated." ....or not. i mean i know the companies are blameless for having a really obvious security hole up, but these kids should be put to death if they are the ones to find it and just mess around, instead of someone doing it and causing REAL harm

    1. Re:damn haxors by ilyaaohell · · Score: 1

      If a lock company designs a lock that can be broken with a well-placed hammer strike, and then some kid goes around door to door in the middle of the night, using his hammer to strike at random locks until he happens upon this one particular lock with it's flaw. The kid busts the door open, goes up to the bedroom and takes copies of the person's photo album (complete with naked images) and copies of their address book. Then he runs off and staples these copies to all the trees in the neighborhood. Should this kid NOT be punished? I mean, all he did was "mess around", right? No prison time for this, right? It's all the lock company's fault, yes?

      --
      UNIX: A computer user is defined as a programmer. WINDOWS: A computer user is defined as a consumer.
  41. Two years aint that bad... by Pao|o · · Score: 1, Funny

    By the time he comes out he could buy himself an Intel-based Mac and easily relearn computers all over again.

  42. homicide detective? by pbhj · · Score: 1

    >>> "Homicide detectives don't hire murderers"

    You mean to say all those TV shows and films have it wrong? Surely the police enlist genius murdering psychos to catch not so genius murdering psychos!!??

    </sarcasm, I think>

    <reality>
    Lots of rehab groups use ex-addicts ..

    1. Re:homicide detective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about that informant down at the police station who likes liver with Cianti and fava beans?

  43. poor kid... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    Seriously 11 months? And hes not allowed to own a computer, cell phone or any internet devices for 2 years?!

    Thats silly.

    Thats a death sentence in todays world for a kid who is obviousy quite handy with such devices.

    Come on, what happened to silly pranks? :) Paris Hilton wasnt harmed at all. This is the high tech version of writing "For a good fuck and blow job, call Jen at 555-5555" on your highschool bathroom.

    Make the kid do some community service, and move on.

    Better yet, get creative with his sentence and make him carry a cellphone with a publically posted phone number on a webpage for everyone to call.

    1. Re:poor kid... by bani · · Score: 1

      bomb threats are silly pranks? go ahead and make one then, see how silly the police think it is.

      ddos are silly pranks? go ahead and ddos then, see how long you get away with it before the fbi pay you a visit.

    2. Re:poor kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you see, this is California where celebrities can get away with murder and molestation, but if a nobody messes a celeb there's hell to pay.

    3. Re:poor kid... by briankoenig · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can definitely see your point that stealing personal information, including Social Security Number and photos, is definitely a "silly prank" and not harmful at all.

      I love how so many people are angry at the rates of identity theft, then turn around and say it's ok becuase he was a juvenile and the victim was Paris Hilton.

      Can I please have your SSN and address now? I'm in the mood for a fun harmless prank.

    4. Re:poor kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummm, Jen's number is 867-5309

  44. cellfone by RevengeOfPoopJuggler · · Score: 0

    Hilton could not be reached for comment on the case because she was traveling in a country where her cell phone does not work, her publicist Robert Zimmerman said Wednesday.

    I love this. Like there is no other way to contact someone anymore except by cellfone. I will have fun with my grandkids telling them stories and part of the story will be like, "..and then I called him on the telephone..." They'll be like, "The what-a-phone?"

  45. In Two Years... by desNotes · · Score: 0

    he'll be a fine addition to the /. crowd/

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  46. Hacker at Trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hacker:

    " I didn't know I couldn't do that "

  47. this was mentioned in supreme court hearings today by tsu+doh+nimh · · Score: 1

    Sen. Dick Durbin from Illinois actually made reference to this guilty plea in Judge John Roberts' confirmation hearings in the Senate today.

    What is this world coming to?

    On an even lighter note, some of this kids' buddies - including AOL hacker YTcracker - have made up a pretty entertaining rap song about him.

    --
    ...because you never know who you're dealing with.
  48. Hacking the Human API by airherbe · · Score: 1


    Hacking is just exploiting vulnerabilities in a system. The people who operate the system are also part of the system (whether it be: customer service agents who only need to hear a trivially-easily acquired indentification number before granting wholesale access to passwords, account settings, password information, billing details, etc; Or, web programmers who don't correctly implement good security policies, and allow common exploits to be performed on an account site in an automated fashion). "Hacking" a person who is part of the system is no different than feeding non-standard or unexpected malicious data to an API and achieving a result. If anything, "human" interfaces are more documented.

    Assignment: The next time you call your cellphone company, listen to the key security questions they ask you and know that every organization requires the same pool of information.

    Want to own someone? Learn their SS#, father's middle name, mother's maiden-name, name of their high school, and town of birth. Is this good security?

    They're all available by public record.

    Hmmm...

    //J

  49. Password Hints by VirtuaKnight · · Score: 1

    It's funny--the sites that offer this functionality force you to use a password hint, and usually force you to use a premade question that are not very difficult to guess, especially by somebody who knows you well. What's my middle name? Oh no, I hope some "1337 hax0r" doesn't crack that enigma. If you want to make sure your question doesn't get guessed by somebody other than yourself or an authorized person, you usually need to include a munge or answer a completely different question than the one listed. After going through all that, it's usually just easier to remember the password you created in the first place.

  50. Listen to the police by part_of_you · · Score: 0
    ...they always make sure that all the facts are in line, and that the reporters involved in generating the data to the general public are well informed. Come on people, this is slashdot! I thought the typical mindframe here was suppose to be closer to reality than that of the headlines, no?

    No telling what this kid accually did, or can do. Obviously he's not good enough to not get caught, but we live in a world that has not fully understood the whole "hacker" thing yet, we just know it bad and sends you to hell. So in trying to make a case against someone who has "broken the law" they ALWAYS have to make sure that certain impressions are imposed on the general public.

    And as for any security company wanting to hire this guy, well, he got caught, and that means that he's not very good. Because even if you get caught, you're supposed to have a way out if you know anything about security.

  51. Paris Hilton popups are not happy? by bobalu · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How can a popup have an emotion? If you're unhappy watching them then do something else that doesn't expose you to them. Or write a strongly-worded letter to the ad agency responsible. I'm sure they'll care.

    >A person who uses sex to get attention also isn't happy.
    You've done an extensive study? I mean really, you're just projecting your own attitudes here. I would say someone who gets upset at a pop-up of a dumb blonde is unhappy.

    We'll leave your poor spelling for another day.

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    The revolution will NOT be televised.
  52. Re:...that reminds me by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1, Troll
    I lost that paris hilton porn video i'll have to go download it again

    And why do you think your HD went corrupt? I think it is smarter than you are. It KNOWS what is good and what is crap.

  53. Sounds like an American hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This dude deserves some jail time for the bomb threats. But as to Paris Hilton, T-mobile, and Lexus they deserve it. Give the kid a medal for the Hilton, T-mobile, and Lexus hacks and throw him in jail for the bomb threats

  54. Let's talk about secret questions by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Enough on this kid (who commited a crime and got what was deserved), let's talk about those annoying 'secret questions'. I've lost count of the number web sites that require you to answer one of these and don't even let you choose a decent question. Not just insignificant sites, like random forums, but important sites that pretain to things that matter in real life, like my college records or credit card information.

    I'm not a celebrity like Paris Hilton, but it is not hard at all to find out what my mom's maiden name is, or the names of my pets, or where I went to high school. At least give me the option to choose my own question, or better yet, not use the question at all.

    1. Re:Let's talk about secret questions by thing12 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've lost count of the number web sites that require you to answer one of these and don't even let you choose a decent question.

      You mean you actually use a contextually appropriate answer to the "secret" question? You're better off using an answer to a different question, i.e. your mother's maiden name as the response to where you went to high school. It's still top of mind information, and at least then your enemies (and friends) can't break into your account quite so quickly.

    2. Re:Let's talk about secret questions by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      I usually dig up an old short story I wrote, answer the question in context of a side character, write down the name of the character somewhere for future reference, and then delete the story. It would probably be easier to use a random letter generator to answer any of the secret question things i've filled out, even on sites I never went to again in my life.

      Man, now I just need to stop using "Passw0rd" as my password, and I'll be set!

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      ...it's really a sad day for America when we require a goddamn ACT OF CONGRESS to make our DVD players work properly. ~
  55. what is reality... by recharged95 · · Score: 1
    11 months?

    Man, this is starting to sound like a movie from 1995, but there's no Anglie Jolie in site. Crap.

    I'm wanting for a "hackers of the world unite" call, but I doubt this would be it.

  56. Catch Me by Flamesplash · · Score: 1

    Watch the end of "Catch Me if You Can!" again. It's based on a true story.

    --
    "Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
  57. Makes sense, like drunk driver losing driving priv by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Telling someone they can't get on the internet because their crime was related to the internet makes no sense.

    Actually it makes a lot of sense. It's very much like felons being banned from owning guns, restraining orders preventing someone from returning to the place of the crime or a victim, drunk drivers losing their driving privelages, etc. Furthermore these orders often have exceptions for activities at school or work so the library argument may be a red herring.

  58. As Snoop would say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn yo! You got hacked fo shizzle!

  59. lol...Bad Things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It turns out that the Hilton hack was just one of many Bad Things(tm) that he had been up to..." I'm not sure if it's B747SP or /. that got it, but kudos to whoever trademarked "Bad Things," lol. I was sure Bill Gates already had that...

  60. Hilton hacked....isn't there a video of this? by FerretFrottage · · Score: 2, Funny

    At this point, who hasn't "hacked" Paris Hilton? Oh, wait, I see, this is about her phone. Well at least with the phone you can put a lock in it to prevent its use; can't really say the same for her.

    --
    "Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
    1. Re:Hilton hacked....isn't there a video of this? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of chastity belts?

    2. Re:Hilton hacked....isn't there a video of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, let's set up a "Paris Hilton Non-Lovers" (or haters) fund, raise some cash, and make Paris the birthday present she oughta been given at birth!

  61. juvenile detention facility by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    "T-Mobile USA and the State of Massachusetts are pleased to report that he has been sentenced to 11 months in a juvenile facility"

    Personally, I think he'd be better off in a fully mature facility.

    --
    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  62. There's still a market around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's far less common for these people to get security jobs after their jail-time."

    That's because the people who end up going to jail really don't have much talent. And the people with the real talent don't usually get caught.

    This kid undoubtedly didn't have much; he probably relied on social engineering more than technical skill.

    There's always a job market for the people who really know their stuff. There's none for the script kiddies.

  63. Why bother? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Funny

    His life is so devoid of meaning that he hacked the handheld of some rich strumpet that everybody now knows isn't even a good lay. Isn't that punishment enough?

  64. Deterrence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Essays on Crimes and Punishments (by Cesare Beccaria, the founder of deterrence theory) you need three to meet three conditions for deterrence to be achieved:
    1. Swiftness of Punishment
    2. Certainty of Punishment
    3. Proportionality of Punishment.
    Moreover there is an assumption of rationality of the offender and that he will have both full knowledge of the punishment, and will weigh out the benefits and drawbacks of committing a criminal act...

    Maybe it's just me but I don't think we should assume rationality from a teenager who wanted to steal Paris Hilton's password...

  65. Re:Honestly by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 1

    Well, my impression is that the guy quoted views this "bad behavior" as justice rather than any kind of sin.

    That's the lovely thing about moral issues... nobody can fully agree on what's "right" and what's "wrong", but most still hold the view that everyone is born with the innate ability (or conscience, if you will) to correctly identify what's right/wrong according to their particular belief system.

    On this particular topic, I think that what the kid did was wrong, but I'm not going to deny that I'm happy to see it happen to Hilton instead of a less deserving victim. However, his deeds were so minor that a mere 11 month sentence in a juvenile facility is probably appropriate, so all in all, I'm happy with this ruling.

  66. who's got the link, anyway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to the pictures that were on her phone?

  67. They learned one thing. by brakk · · Score: 1

    The only thing they learned is that they can ruin someones life with the wave of a lawyer, which is much cheaper than fixing their shit.

  68. Beat up the little guy... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, what I want to know is, what punitive measures were taken against T-mobile for having such poor security processes that a teenager could pull this off for so long without being stopped?

    It is easy to send one kid, who probably couldn't afford more than a public defender, to jail. But what does it do to fix the problem? There are thousands more kids who could do the same thing, there are probably tens of professionals who are doing it right now and are smart enough to say under the radar.

    Other than the fact that T-mobile has the big gun lawyers, big gun lobbyists and big gun 'campaign contributions' - why haven't they been prosecuted for negligence?

    1. Re:Beat up the little guy... by Flower · · Score: 1
      Do you own a SideKick and live in the States? If yes, why aren't you suing?

      T-Mobile's negligence is a civil matter, not a criminal one. You want to punish them then sue or don't buy their junk. The other alternative is to get your State or the federal government to enact legislation that would impose criminal penalties for having lax security. Good luck with that. Suing stands a better chance.

      Another idea would be to cancel your SideKick and not pay the penalty. If they threaten to collect then have a lawyer threaten to countersue since they provided a defective service. Heck, I have no idea how these contracts run but if there was an upfront fee to pay you could cancel and demand that back for them. Hell, maybe have them buy the phone back from you.

      Again, as there are no laws criminalizing T-Mobile's practices this falls squarely under civil law. If you have standing and want them punished then it is up to you to take the steps.

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      I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
  69. Actually the bank do hire the fraudsters by wsanders · · Score: 1

    According to the Bonus Features in the "Catch Me If You Can" DVD, the guy featured in that movie is now a highly paid consultant to the banking industry.

    However, unlike most garden variety criminals, he seems unusually gifted at social skills.

    --
    Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
  70. Esoteric power by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    However, if you can come up with a new type of crime that requires specialized expertise to commit, detect, prevent, and catch for which the penalty is not life in prison (in the short or long term) and can demonstrate your trustworthiness, you could still have a future in law enforcement, a high-level military position, an intelligence career, or some new field created specifically to cover the exploitation and/or interdiction of this particular expertise.

    In other words, acquire an esoteric power others will want to keep for themselves.

    --
    Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  71. Why Jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great. He's being sent to jail.
    How is that supposed to set him straight?
    Did he do it because he hadn't spent enough time incarcerated?

    Really, does jailing non-violent criminals like this kid help anything?
    It costs taxpayers money, and him time.
    If he were fined, put under supervision, and required to do serious charity work, it'd do everybody a little better.

    Seriously, let's reserve jail for those who need to separated from the rest of society for everyone's good.
    I really don't see a kid who hacked a cellphone
    falling into that category.

  72. He already has been rooted... by Afecks · · Score: 1

    Here is the kid's personal data...

    Name: Cameron Lacroix
    Address: 126 Frederick St., New Bedford, MA 02744
    SSN: 014-58-4672
    Phone: 508-996-2936 & 508-264-4651
    Father: Michael Allan Lacroix

  73. dam by kjcdude · · Score: 0

    dam, i dont know if i could live for two years without a computer

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  74. Re:"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No, it actually means the opposite... so your penis is shrinking *bursts out crying*

  75. They should sentence him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to watching re-runs of her show! Now that's punishment!

  76. Serves the little punk right. by tabbser · · Score: 0, Troll

    He got what he deserved, I'm glad this little turd is off the streets and internet. 1 down ... many more to go...

  77. Too bad by MacDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too bad nobody makes that response to the +5 funny prison rape comments.

    1. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they were talking about the guards raping them, then I'd fully agree with you.

    2. Re:Too bad by drsquare · · Score: 1

      In America that's not exactly unusual now is it?

      And 'cruel' is subjective, which is one of the problems with written constitutions.

  78. Quick! Everyone call Christina Aguilera! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  79. You confused authentication (tresspass) with Crime by NRAdude · · Score: 0
    There is good and bad tresspass; the best way to explain the fullness of our intentions in authentication is to reprove the etymology;

    tress-pass

        -tress is synonym to a locke of hair, cord, rope. Consider the value of people to form compacts under one surname; an accord, harmony, agree, settle; sundry eschewing uncertainty, or insecurites.


    I can also quote a matter of scripture;
      1 Thessalonians 5:21
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

    Hear what I'm trying to say? You can hold fast to a cord, but with information you can't be certain that you are holding the original, because it is all an ECHO CHAMBER from where the original authentication is derived; now estimating one's accord based on measurements as cyphers or code; the higher the encryption, the more accurate and approximate, but never exact.

    Apply these as radio propogation, often confused with that foreign Federal Communication Commision, Inc in Washington District of Columbia. Computer software performs by authenticity; it isn't criminal for a program instrumentalised by another's administrative actions. It is a matter of piracy, duplicate title, perhaps unverified right. Therefore I transmit brevity, Copy That; not copy that, not CoPy ThAt, not COPY THAT, but Copy That. Crime is legislated, whereas the original accusation of tresspass has been ignored (ignorance caused misprison), but could also be challenged as plagiarism of a title or piracy; but instead most people prejudie the matter with setoff of a second courtship (violating constitution) by separating into a criminal jurisdiction. Thereby, it is criminal to accuse someone outside a jurisdiction from whence the offence occurred. The common law does not separate into a civil or criminal jurisdiction; the hearing always has both qualities.

    Going back to my thougts on passwords; think of a key as claim to somthing, or a title such as a MCSE statement, or the USC Title IV measurements for the United States flag. If it doesn't match, then it doesn't authenticate; however if it does authenticate, then it can be looked upon as none other than authentic. It is either piracy or original. There never has been a need for the DMCA or RIAA, when existing law has allowed to try accusations of piracy. IDENTITY theft is the same way; there is no preventing intentional theft but to be steadfast and ready in prosecution.

    In my day to day activities as a postmaster at the nearest general post, I use a verry reliable form of authentication that isn't a measurement of artificial computing (think silicon); derived from an agreement is an Letter of Appointment to perform a duty or action on behalf of another at a general post-office, then whomever is performing such Will physically rent (tear) two tokens from Receipt of that duty, such as the verry dimensions of the paper are complimentary down to the fiber. No things can tear the exact same way twice, but the same can't be said about a MCSE working on a firewall (burn MCSE, burn).

    But we're talking authentication; so to create a heuristical code of some sort into a computer cypher, derived from the above treatise on rented paper, would meet the same fate as the original dispute; accuracy is limited by encryption strength (finite). The same fate is of long-hand-writing pads attached to computers; there is resolution as to the field dimensions from whence the pen is thrust onto the pad, but isn't accurate. I know UPS and its digital SIGNature pad are as accurate as bird-shit on pavement. When it leaves your hand, it is not in your posession, but the judgment of the servant your appointed; clerk.
    --
    without prejudice
  80. Re:Makes sense, like drunk driver losing driving p by thrift24 · · Score: 1

    I agree that those things you are mentioning do make sense, although I'm not sure that those privelages are taken away for the same reasons

    You mention cars, guns, and scenes of a crime. Cars and guns can both be used as weapons to seriously injure people. They are taken away to keep a person from seriously injuring someone. Keeping someone from a place of a crime is once again a physical thing to keep someone from getting hurt.

    These precautions are meant to keep people from getting seriously injured or killed. I think that same pattern of thought is not easily applied to this scenario.

    Ask yourself if there is a possibility that this guy is going to get back on the internet and hurt someone. Sure he might be able to get into the same types of trouble, but these are not as serious a threat as say, manslaughter. Also this is what probation is for, so that someone can be monitored and action can be taken to keep these type of offences from happening again, if there are signs they will happened. With guns and cars, the risks of missing a sign can be too large. There is not that kind of risk here.

    Keep in mind, this guy guessed a password. This is not someone who wrote a worm that infected hundreds of computers.

  81. Jacobsen by rhetoric · · Score: 1

    http://www.4law.co.il/jacob1.htm

    This guy ACTUALLY HACKED T-Mobile. He even had access to the accounts of the Secret Service agents investigating the hack. It looks like he wants a security job too. Funny thing is his story didn't get HALF the press. Wonder why... o_O

    --

    "where words meet intent, lies rhetoric's lament"
  82. Computer as Necessity by SilentJ_PDX · · Score: 1

    He's also not allowed to own or use a computer, a cellphone, or any other device that can access the Internet for two years.

    These days, you can do just about anything and it's very rare for an American court to stop you from driving because - at least in most of America - life without a car is nearly impossible. They can put restrictions on your driving, but they usually can't stop you from owning/using a car entirely.

    At what point does computer/cellphone usage become as necessary to life as a car?

    Don't get me wrong... I'm a big fan of saying "accept the consequences" and taking away cars from drunk drivers, computers from hackers, etc. But under the current system, it doesn't seem likely to happen.

    1. Re:Computer as Necessity by bmetzler · · Score: 1, Interesting
      These days, you can do just about anything and it's very rare for an American court to stop you from driving because - at least in most of America - life without a car is nearly impossible. They can put restrictions on your driving, but they usually can't stop you from owning/using a car entirely.

      I don't know, there are many cities with an option called "public transportation." And indeed, taking away a drivers license is a pretty common and not too unique penalty. And if you don't have a drivers license you'll probably get pretty comfortable riding a bus, or walking perhaps.

      Same with internet/cell phones. A computer/cellphone may be as necessary to life as a car. But that doesn't prevent you from losing the right to use them. If they meant that much to him, he probably should have respected them a little bit more. But he chose his actions, and now has to live with his consequences. Yeah, sucks to be him. But under the current system, that's life.

      -Brent
  83. "Cruel and Unusual" punishment by cnerd2025 · · Score: 0

    I'm paying for that asshole to get free cable, free food and drink, free shelter, and for him to associate with other short-term sentenced criminals. This sounds like a damn good idea to me. Parade the fuckers around the streets. It may be creul, but not unusual. That's what the stocks did in the old days. The Constitution clearly uses the word "and" to speak of punishments, and programmers everywhere know that "and" requires both statements to be true. Obviously this guy has some "issues" and he is a black hat cracker (those damn bastards, giving hackers a bad name), but locking him up is just stupid. And no internet/cell phone or whatever? That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's not like 2 years would stop someone like that. In 2 years, security will be improved, but someone can still get around the weakest parts of security. Passwords and underpaid employees alike are easy to crack. The fraud is much more serious to me than the fact that he broke into the phone. I think T-Mobile should be slapped with some sort of punitive measure for using crap devices. If they didn't tie their hardware to their network, that would be one scenario. But since they did, and their employees provided the initial passwords, they need to have some sort of injunction as far as privacy security.

  84. Re: Hackers by vicgolgo13 · · Score: 1
    Man, this is starting to sound like a movie from 1995, but there's no Anglie Jolie in site. Crap.

    Nah, if this were true, when he finally was able to use a computer in 2 years, he'd adopt the identity to Crash Override and help uncover a nefarious plot thought up by a white man who was once an Indian robotics technician. And to top it off he'd do it on his brand new 486 laptop with 9600 baud modem and people would think he was black when they found out who he really is!

  85. Did far more than guess a password by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind, this guy guessed a password. This is not someone who wrote a worm that infected hundreds of computers.

    Apparently you did not even read the summary:

    "It turns out that the Hilton hack was just one of many Bad Things(tm) that he had been up to: calling in bomb threats to schools, creating T-Mobile accounts for himself and his friends, breaking in to data broker LexisNexis' systems are just a few of his exploits."

  86. Re: It's not rape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not rape. It's surprise sex!

  87. job offers by krunk4ever · · Score: 1

    what i'm more curious is who will actually get to hire him. by now, he should be receiving tons of job offers. a list of those companies would be interesting too. ranging from security firms to it departments to software developing companies...

    1. Re:job offers by Flower · · Score: 1
      Sorry but those days are dying fast. Now that the cracking community is going commercial and selling the fruits of their labor the old stereotype of the misunderstood and bored genius is going by the wayside as the new, less savory blackmarketeer stereotype takes it place. Add to the fact that more and more of the these crackers that get caught are producing broken malware and, honestly, why would a company want to hire them?

      Also, he's a juvie and the records are sealed. How is a company going to headhunt this kid? And what kind of productivity could they possibly get out of him under the current terms of his sentencing? Also, since the kid called in bomb threats, how would his current record affect the company's security clearances and relations with current and prospective customers?

      Until his sentencing is over and his record gone there are no job offers. After that, unless he's stupid enough to brag about this incident when he's an adult, we'll never know who hires him. And that's fine by me.

      --
      I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
  88. The pics and phone numbers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  89. Re:Serves him right. food 4 thought plz read n/t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe YOU were tired, but that's just because you were banging her. I've seen the video, don't try to deny it.

    Food for thought:

    Footage of animals mating == 'nature programming'

    Footage of people mating == pornography

    Why the 'double standard'?

  90. Better Title by BinBoy · · Score: 1

    I'd prefer "Hilton Hacker Hits Hoosgow"

  91. no bash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i personally hope he gets some job offers. he's not some kid who can compile a script and exploit xyz.. he knows his shit. anyone who was involved with the "aol scene", like others mentioned, would know his name. to add, he's a pretty funny guy and fun to hang out with. i suppose his sentence fits the list of crimes, he's lucky he got caught now and not when he turns 18.

    stay strong cam :)

  92. Gawd, imagine the worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ewww.
    .
    Good place for a trojan, though.

  93. First Hand Experience by 1nt3lx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have first hand experience with this particular individual. I wanted to reply to every post I've read on this page and address each point individually. However, there are too many points to address and too many of my own to add.

    My Experiences
    My first experience with this kid was three years ago. I am a consultant for the school department in which he was attending high school.

    One afternoon I got wind of a report that a couple of computers were "operating themselves." Of course, they were not, they were being controlled by VNC. We took the computers out of the library, found the backdoor, and analyzed all the files. We were also able to identify the backdoor that was installed, as well as the many utilities that were downloaded from a file-serving website he had setup.

    Many of the files contained portions or the entirety of a first name. The website the files were downloaded from contained the same first name.

    The backdoor was installed on the premesis. It was installed before the start of school. The utilities were downloaded during school hours.

    We did a first name search in the SIS system, we found five or so individuals with the same first name. None were enrolled in a class that had a computer in the classroom. We then did an attendence search on those individuals. Only one was absent the date the utilities were downloaded. We had our guy, we were confident, but the evidence was circumstantial.

    We decided to put the compromised (Windows 98) systems back on the network under surveillance, or specifically tethereal. The systems immediately connected to irc.mircx.com and joined a channel with the first name, again.

    For a few days nothing happened. No activity, other than the PING/PONG of IRC. That weekend, however, he bit. He bit hard, too. He searched the names and phone numbers of guidance counsellors, secretaries, and other school personnelle. He obviously conducted some rather trivial social engineering. He was able to gain access to the SIS system, which runs on OpenVMS.

    We tracked his every move, I laughed and laughed as he struggled with VMS. Time after time he would break the telnet connection because he was stuck in EDT, or because he confounded the DEC Basic application. He queried himself multiple times, tried to change information about his enemies, I assumed, and made unsuccessful attempts to change his own grades.

    The administration didn't buy it. He cried foul, denied any knowledge of computers, claimed he was botted, claimed hackers were out to get him. They didn't pursue the issue, but we 'secured' the network. We dropped all IRC traffic and all VNC traffic. The next day we were subjected to a crippling DDOS, and a bomb threat was called into the school. We couldn't prove it was related and got no support from above.

    A few months later, he was cought red handed trying to break into an attendance-entry web interface, by a librarian. He was suspended and removed from computer classes. Case closed, at least from our perspective. A few more days of DDOSes, but that ended quickly.

    The next school year, bizarre things started happening again. The High School's network was secured, but the middle schools were not locked down as well. Again, the SIS system was being accessed after hours from backdoored systems. Again, social engineering had taken place. We locked down that building, but the accesses were still happening. It was determined that an unsecured WAP had been installed on site and he was sitting outside the building accessing the network. (Sometimes I wonder why they pay me when they do things like that despite my objections).

    Of course, we had even less evidence this time to point to him but it was obviously him. The IRC backdoors were the same, the names were the same, the passwords were the same, but the administration still refused to act. We secured that network and the after hours accesses stopped, but unusual activities continued to arouse suspicions.

    U

    1. Re:First Hand Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jacobsen has been recently doing contract work for the internet company I work for. He has produced some very high quality, leading edge code. I can't go into details, but it's stuff that I haven't seen anywhere else. He's apparently progressed since your last run in.

    2. Re:First Hand Experience by 1nt3lx · · Score: 1

      nevermind then, it must be someone else.

    3. Re:First Hand Experience by Qrlx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Congratulations. Becuase you were unable to confront a child three years ago, he's now in jail. Sleep tight.

    4. Re:First Hand Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me where he lives and I will put a horse's head in his bed, maybe with a body and maybe without, I'll see how my mood takes me.
      If anyone replies to tell me that he's at ..... county jail, I'll give them a horse too.

  94. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  95. Don't promote this crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Mod this comment -1, Rape Isn't Funny

  96. Untrue by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    Security firms hiring hackers is common practice, how else will they learn how the enemy infultrates systems, but by having them demonstrate it for them!? Detectives don't need to hire murderers, they just hang reduced sentences over their heads to help them "think like a killer" if what they're dealing with is beyond their scope (which is rather rare). SEC hiring frauders? Watch the movie "Catch Me If You Can" it's a true story, and the main character later became a multimillionaire with his own security firm which helps come up with new ways to secure monetary currencies (like bank cheques and dollar bills). The guy who the movie is based on even helped in the production of the story.

  97. The morning news... by JThundley · · Score: 2

    I saw this on the Fox 11 morning news, and there were 3 things to note:

    1. One woman said "He was hacking into the internet..."

    2. One 50 year old anchor guy said "This is not a cool dude", even more rofles.

    3. Their file footage of Paris Hilton was of her in a float of a car in a parade waving to people. Why the fuck was she in a parade and why were people happy to see her?!

  98. RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by Vicsun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. When I first came to prison, I had no idea what to expect. Certainly none of this. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men and two white men at a time. I've had knifes at my head and throat. I had fought and been beat so hard that I didn't ever think I'd see straight again. One time when I refused to enter a cell, I was brutally attacked by staff and taken to segragation though I had only wanted to prevent the same and worse by not locking up with my cell mate. There is no supervision after lockdown. I was given a conduct report. I explained to the hearing officer what the issue was. He told me that off the record, He suggests I find a man I would/could willingly have sex with to prevent these things from happening. I've requested protective custody only to be denied. It is not available here. He also said there was no where to run to, and it would be best for me to accept things . . . . I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this . . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for.
    -A letter to Human Rights Watch ...and I'll keep posting this story every time slashdot advocates rape and moderators mod it up.

    1. Re:RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by mirio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These comments are very true. I've never been a prisoner, but my grandfather spent the last 12 years of his life incarcerated for a crime I sincerelly believe he did not commit.

      At the age of 68, he was accused of rape by a mentally distubed woman who had been in and out of mental institutions for almost 5 years (manic depression and many other problems). The woman said she raped him. My granfathers physician testified that my grandfather and been impotent since his mid-40's...this did not matter to the jury of 12 women (I kid you not) who convicted him. At any rate...there's much more to this trial that could become a NY times best-seller, but I don't have time to cover it here.

      Anyway, due to Georgia's 'tough of sex crime' laws, he was not allowed out of maximum security prison. There are prisons here for the elderly, etc. but we have to be tough of sex offenders so they have to languish in prison with 300lb beasts that will mistreat them.

      We would go and visit my grandfather until his death and he would often be bruised terribly down his forarms. Some of the younger inmates tried to help defend him but they couldn't always do so. After his death, one of the young inmates sent a suprisingly well-written letter describing that my grandfather was bruised because he would hold his hands arms in front of his face to defend himself.

      When my family complained to the warden we were literally told, "it's a prison...it's not supposed to be a nice place".

      In prison, most every inmate has some sort of job he or she must perform. My grandfather worked in the kitchen and consequently showered before the other inmates so he could prepare breakfast. One morning when the other inmates came into the shower they found him dead on the floor with a huge gash in the back of his head. The autopsy said he died of an annuerism but the coroner said she couldn't say it he was murdered or not because the severe head trauma could have caused the annuerism.

      I don't know if he was ever raped, but I do have my suspicians.

      And oh yeah...I won't even get into how Governer Zell Miller had my grandfather's case on his desk and was about to grant him a pardon when NOW (national organization of women) got word of it and picketed outside the state capital because they perceived Zell being soft on crimes against women. It made the local news and Zell backed down.

    2. Re:RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting that. I never realised it was that bad. I wish I had mod points so I could bump it up.

      Nobody deserves that kind of abuse, especially over a crime as insignificant as hacking a cell phone.

    3. Re:RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 1

      Who the hell modded this offtopic? This is very much ON topic. This is the sort of thing the subject of the article is going to be putting up with for the next 11 months! Isn't that just a bit relevant to the discussion?

      Besides, if we brush stuff like this under the rug it'll never get fixed. It deserves exposure.

    4. Re:RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by mirio · · Score: 1

      Hmm....the article is about someone going to prison and I talk about someone going to prison. Whoever modded my comments off-topic needs to get a freakin' clue. I would imagine it was because of my comments about NOW. I don't have any problem with NOW, but I think in the situation I mentioned above they were in the wrong and protesting a case they knew nothing about. All they knew was that Miller was about to pardon a rapist and that's all they cared about. Zealouts on ANY side of ANY issue are dangerous.

    5. Re:RAEP IS FUNNY GUY by bhiestand · · Score: 1
      the article is about someone going to prison and I talk about someone going to prison. Whoever modded my comments off-topic needs to get a freakin' clue

      You don't get it, do you?

      If you had posted about the linux terminal your grandfather used for sending email from prison, you'd be a +5, Insightful.

      A post about him using VAX could have been a +5, Interesting or a +5, Funny.

      A story about meeting Linus Torvalds while you were both there visiting prisoners would've been a +5 of some sort and would've gotten you a free t-shirt. Fifty people would've added you as a friend.

      And for the record, grow some balls and fight back. Screw the NOW; they're out to get us, and not in a good way!
      --
      SWM seeks new sig for a brief fling
  99. LexisNexis by Alioth · · Score: 1

    I remember using LexisNexis (legitimately) years ago.

    However, it always seems to be featuring in these juvenile hacks - we've had Adrian Lamo (Lame-o more like) and now this guy (and probably many others too). It seems that LexisNexis seriously need to rethink their security from the frequency they suffer high profile hacks.

  100. Use a fake by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    I use a different name for the mother's maiden name question, *always*. This way it is easy to remember, but not to guess.

    Sure, if someone discoevered it for one site they would have it for all, but at least they can't just look it up using a family tree.

  101. Re:Honestly by nonicenamesleft · · Score: 1

    I think an article about Paris Hilton did it to me. I read both "condemn" and "condone" as *condom* in this post!