We're not talking CD ripping here, I'm talking about the morons that use stream savers to soak up bandwidth by pulling streams down byte by byte to the local hard drive. I've seen it done on work servers, and ASFRecorder and that ilk are badly written. 40Gbs worth of transfer to get a 2Mb audio stream. Now image that multiplied by 100, and image the quality of the streams "normal" users are going to see. The fun thing, for me, was the stream itself was DRMed and the DRM attributes went with the ripper.
Now, if a record label puts up a concert on the web, at their expense, as a stream not a download (their choice), so people who couldn't make it to the event can watch it, do you still believe you have a fair use to copy that and bypass protection?
Speaking of Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology, I wonder if Microsoft have released a patch for it since it was cracked last October
Yes. It came out about 1-2 weeks later. It's amusing to hang out on bulletin boards and hear people complaining that freeme doesn't work on the DRMed file they downloaded, or the DRMed stream they ripped off.
Posting somewhere that is read is a direct method of contacting spews. It's just not email, which is what most would consider direct.
As for blocking his country, TOUGH SHIT. I block Korea and China for exactly the same reasons, nothing but spam originates from there.
And remember, SPEWS doesn't block people, the mail administrators that use SPEWS as a trusted source block it.
As for your delusional comment, no, SPEWS blocks on spam, spam support services (ie. hosting web sites) and general spam idiocy. Unfortunately, it seems to be the only way to get some people to take notice. SPEWS is the equivilant of the Usenet UDP, which worked rather well on large American ISPs in the early 90s.
Me bad, should have said MAIL admins, not news admins. As for evidence, if I said I did, then I'd be a target for discoveries in lawsuits, so obviously no, I don't.
Of course the spews admins would know it for a fact.
It's like living in a society where you go to jail for the crime your neighbor commits.
No, its like paying a criminal boss who happens to employe burglars. If you're paying, you're supporting spam. Tough shit.
People often get listed simply because their domains are used in forged email addresses and/or forged HELO headers
Care to offer links or evidence to that?
SPEWS' philosophy is that once a domain is used for spamming, it's blacklisted forever
Utter bullshit. None of the mainstream spam blacklists run on a domain basis. It's done on an IP block basis.
SPEWS is run by a bunch of shady and unaccountable people.
Shady no. It's run by a group of international news admins. Unaccountable, perhaps. But when black lists keep getting sued by spammers, then what else are you going to do.
SPEWS fights spam by exerting a heavy burden on innocent people who unknowingly become associated with spammers
Unfortunately, this is the only way to get ISPs to take notice these days. SPEWS is based on collateral damage. However the fault lies with the ISPs, not spews.
would advise anyone who cherishes the democratic values of our society to stay away from SPEWS
It's my democratic right to use it or not use it. SPAM is not a right. It's not a free speech issue. You do not have a right to communicate with my servers. Oh, and remember, the internet is international. Not all of us hold your consitution so dear.
It drops any connections from any IP address within the list. It doesn't check any headers, it just checks the IP address of the connecting machine.
So, for example,
a) if dialup user a sends through an smtp server on dialup user b's box, it gets rejected, as the smtp server is running on dialup space.
b) if dialup user a sends directly to an smtp server using the DUL, it gets dropped again
c) if ddialup user a sends to smtp server on dialup user B, which in turn forwards and relays properly through his ISPs SMTP server, it will get through, as the ISP SMTP server will not be in the DUL.
A41: One does not. SPEWS does not receive email - it's just an automated system and website, SPEWS and other blocklist issues can be discussed in the public forums mentioned above. The newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email (NANAE) is a good choice, and Google makes it quite easy to post messages there via the Web as M@ilGate does via email. Note that posting messages in these newsgroups & lists will not have any effect on SPEWS listings, only the discontinuation of spam and/or spam support will. Be aware that posting ones email address to any publicly viewable forum or website makes it instantly available to spammers. If you're concerned about getting spammed, change or "mung" the email address you use to post with.
So sort your spam problem, then post in nane once its sorted. Until then, don't expect a lot of us to accept your crap.
Because not all of us can put a dish up, and are not in cable areas. So digital reception through the arial is the only way to get certain channels.
It would just be, for MS, an extension of their cable set top boxes business. I could see them switching everyone over to Windows CE based hardware. Finally, I can get read of the crap box I have now that crashes every 3 days to one that crashes every 7
BGP and redundancy are great. Until one day a JCB comes along, and digs right through the connections going into the hosting facility. I'm not paranoid, its happened to a co-lo one of my old employers used. Idiots had the fibre in one pipe coming into one wall.
I'd have to agree with this. news.admin.net-abuse.email is full of people who have hosting with ISPs that host spammers (*cough* SPRINT *cough*) and their mail then bounces, or packets get dropped at firewalls.
http://www.spews.org/ allows you to do lookups, but unfortunately it's single IPs, not netblocks.
blocking banners, etc., is essentially the same as shoplifting
So, fast forwarding through adverts on TV, either on a video copy, or on a device that allows you to skip like a Tivo is theft?
At least TV advertisers don't insert little "things" in my video or TV that allow them to track which programs I watch, unlike, say, doubleclicks cookies.
Sun sued MS because they attempted to change the Java Virtual Machine so that it would only work with code produced by MS J++.
No they didn't. Sun sued because MS added class libaries to hook into low level windows functions, and named the classes so they looked like part of the standard ones. J++ code could be written to run on any JVM, quite easily, by just avoiding using the MFC like interface library and the windows extensions.
Could they stop MS shipping C# on the grounds that it is a java rip off, and it is bundled with windows , and only run on windows (as of yet).
It's not bundled with Windows. The runtime libraries must be installed first. Only XP Server will have them preinstalled, unless they rerelease the XP CDs. Hell, you have to pay for the development tools seperately. Hardly bunded.
Disclose and license proprietary interfaces, protocols and formats.
Unbundle tied products like Internet Explorer, IIS and.NET framework.
IE, well the HTML standards are open, they use the W3C DOM and do a better job of rendering than Netscape ever did (although Opera is still better)
IIS, follows the W3C HTTP standards, again hardly proprietary, digest challenge response/NT challenge is covered in RFC2617, only the integrated Windows authenication is proprietary.
.Net, follows SOAP and DISCO for object exposure, XML as a transport layer, and the C# and class libaries have been submitted to standarisation bodies. More than Sun ever did with Java.
Finally, when did following the RFCs make anything secure? BIND followed the RFCS for DNS, SendMail for SMTP and so on. Standards do not a secure product make
In the UK you have to give an address, you're correct.
This is added to a central database, and every so often cross referenced against other databases, like the voting registry. This then produces a list of houses which don't have a license, which are then mailshotted.
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You believe you have fair use on an audio stream?
We're not talking CD ripping here, I'm talking about the morons that use stream savers to soak up bandwidth by pulling streams down byte by byte to the local hard drive. I've seen it done on work servers, and ASFRecorder and that ilk are badly written. 40Gbs worth of transfer to get a 2Mb audio stream. Now image that multiplied by 100, and image the quality of the streams "normal" users are going to see. The fun thing, for me, was the stream itself was DRMed and the DRM attributes went with the ripper.
Now, if a record label puts up a concert on the web, at their expense, as a stream not a download (their choice), so people who couldn't make it to the event can watch it, do you still believe you have a fair use to copy that and bypass protection?
That exploit was fixed 2 weeks after freeme appeared
That's out of date. The patch was released 2 weeks later.
Speaking of Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology, I wonder if Microsoft have released a patch for it since it was cracked last October
Yes. It came out about 1-2 weeks later. It's amusing to hang out on bulletin boards and hear people complaining that freeme doesn't work on the DRMed file they downloaded, or the DRMed stream they ripped off.
Posting somewhere that is read is a direct method of contacting spews. It's just not email, which is what most would consider direct.
As for blocking his country, TOUGH SHIT. I block Korea and China for exactly the same reasons, nothing but spam originates from there.
And remember, SPEWS doesn't block people, the mail administrators that use SPEWS as a trusted source block it.
As for your delusional comment, no, SPEWS blocks on spam, spam support services (ie. hosting web sites) and general spam idiocy. Unfortunately, it seems to be the only way to get some people to take notice. SPEWS is the equivilant of the Usenet UDP, which worked rather well on large American ISPs in the early 90s.
Me bad, should have said MAIL admins, not news admins. As for evidence, if I said I did, then I'd be a target for discoveries in lawsuits, so obviously no, I don't. Of course the spews admins would know it for a fact.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010619203232/http://w ww.orca.bc.ca/dul/
Fun to see the name change from ORCA.BC.CA DUL to MAPS DUL in progress.
It's like living in a society where you go to jail for the crime your neighbor commits.
No, its like paying a criminal boss who happens to employe burglars. If you're paying, you're supporting spam. Tough shit.
People often get listed simply because their domains are used in forged email addresses and/or forged HELO headers
Care to offer links or evidence to that?
SPEWS' philosophy is that once a domain is used for spamming, it's blacklisted forever
Utter bullshit. None of the mainstream spam blacklists run on a domain basis. It's done on an IP block basis.
SPEWS is run by a bunch of shady and unaccountable people.
Shady no. It's run by a group of international news admins. Unaccountable, perhaps. But when black lists keep getting sued by spammers, then what else are you going to do.
SPEWS fights spam by exerting a heavy burden on innocent people who unknowingly become associated with spammers
Unfortunately, this is the only way to get ISPs to take notice these days. SPEWS is based on collateral damage. However the fault lies with the ISPs, not spews.
would advise anyone who cherishes the democratic values of our society to stay away from SPEWS
It's my democratic right to use it or not use it. SPAM is not a right. It's not a free speech issue. You do not have a right to communicate with my servers. Oh, and remember, the internet is international. Not all of us hold your consitution so dear.
It drops any connections from any IP address within the list. It doesn't check any headers, it just checks the IP address of the connecting machine.
So, for example,
a) if dialup user a sends through an smtp server on dialup user b's box, it gets rejected, as the smtp server is running on dialup space.
b) if dialup user a sends directly to an smtp server using the DUL, it gets dropped again
c) if ddialup user a sends to smtp server on dialup user B, which in turn forwards and relays properly through his ISPs SMTP server, it will get through, as the ISP SMTP server will not be in the DUL.
c) There is no direct way to be removed from SPEWS.
Bullshit. Or are all those SPEWS: messages in news:news.admin.net-abuse.email figments of my imagination?
From the spews faq
So sort your spam problem, then post in nane once its sorted. Until then, don't expect a lot of us to accept your crap.
Because not all of us can put a dish up, and are not in cable areas. So digital reception through the arial is the only way to get certain channels.
It would just be, for MS, an extension of their cable set top boxes business. I could see them switching everyone over to Windows CE based hardware. Finally, I can get read of the crap box I have now that crashes every 3 days to one that crashes every 7
BGP and redundancy are great. Until one day a JCB comes along, and digs right through the connections going into the hosting facility. I'm not paranoid, its happened to a co-lo one of my old employers used. Idiots had the fibre in one pipe coming into one wall.
I'd have to agree with this. news.admin.net-abuse.email is full of people who have hosting with ISPs that host spammers (*cough* SPRINT *cough*) and their mail then bounces, or packets get dropped at firewalls.
http://www.spews.org/ allows you to do lookups, but unfortunately it's single IPs, not netblocks.
You can also lookup ISPs by name on http://www.spamhaus.org/
In general a quick "hat check" post to n.a.n.e. can save you a lot of time and grief.
This year, 3 ISPs and a web hosting firm in the UK have been DOSed off the net
First, in January was Cloud Nine. They said it was so bad it trashed firewalls, and the network had to be rebuilt.
This was quickly followed by Tiscali. (Although they're such a spamhaus, the net probably only noticed because the amount of spam from the UK dropped)
Then soon after Donhost, a web hosting firm had 2 client web servers taken out in January.
Finally, yesterday, edNET was attacked, which caused, according to them a "catastrophic network failure". The attack here was via telnet ports.
blocking banners, etc., is essentially the same as shoplifting
So, fast forwarding through adverts on TV, either on a video copy, or on a device that allows you to skip like a Tivo is theft?
At least TV advertisers don't insert little "things" in my video or TV that allow them to track which programs I watch, unlike, say, doubleclicks cookies.
Popups are from the site itself
Not necessarily. Some crappy banner networks (those that demand iframes usually) can, and often DO create popups.
Now of course, that's partly down to the webmaster choosing them and not knowing/caring if popups happen, but it's not from the site itself.
Seen FORTRAN under XP yet?
Yes
There's also COBOL, Perl and Python
No they didn't. Sun sued because MS added class libaries to hook into low level windows functions, and named the classes so they looked like part of the standard ones. J++ code could be written to run on any JVM, quite easily, by just avoiding using the MFC like interface library and the windows extensions.
Could they stop MS shipping C# on the grounds that it is a java rip off, and it is bundled with windows , and only run on windows (as of yet).
It's not bundled with Windows. The runtime libraries must be installed first. Only XP Server will have them preinstalled, unless they rerelease the XP CDs. Hell, you have to pay for the development tools seperately. Hardly bunded.
Disclose and license proprietary interfaces, protocols and formats. Unbundle tied products like Internet Explorer, IIS and .NET framework.
IE, well the HTML standards are open, they use the W3C DOM and do a better job of rendering than Netscape ever did (although Opera is still better)
IIS, follows the W3C HTTP standards, again hardly proprietary, digest challenge response/NT challenge is covered in RFC2617, only the integrated Windows authenication is proprietary.
.Net, follows SOAP and DISCO for object exposure, XML as a transport layer, and the C# and class libaries have been submitted to standarisation bodies. More than Sun ever did with Java.
Finally, when did following the RFCs make anything secure? BIND followed the RFCS for DNS, SendMail for SMTP and so on. Standards do not a secure product make
Fucking slashcode stripped the tags, even though it was marked as text. Anyway, the examples of the first non-standard HTML? closely followed by
Who started the non-standard based HTML extensions?
Oh that's right. Netscape.
In the UK you have to give an address, you're correct.
This is added to a central database, and every so often cross referenced against other databases, like the voting registry. This then produces a list of houses which don't have a license, which are then mailshotted.
I don't think it's on 2000 server either
Yes it is, both in a remote administration configuration, and in a licensable full blown, lets let X number of people attach version.
World renowned? Oh please. Within the UK community the man is a joke.
I hardly feel sticking a chip in your arm makes you a cyborg, otherwise we have a lot of cybernetic dogs out there.