If I were a moderator I would score you a -3 for this entire thread being off-topic.
Give me a break - Halloween stories? Geeze what's next an Oprah Winfry story about transexual eskimos on Halloween and how they feel about the attack on America?
AOL just bought Slashdot didn't it? Don't lie to me, I can tell.
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Why did you score me a 0 on this? It is clearly having to do with the same subject. And it is a very important issue that many programmers should know about.
But nobody saw my post because you decided to score a 0. This is the worst kind of censorship.
People can't discuss a damn thing on here with moderators choosing to give people 0 for no particular reason.
I mean a 0 would mean it was completely boring and had no reason to be here. Hello?
We are discussing the copyright law and how it applies to programmers -- this is an important point to many people in this field. Many people on this site are programmers. Many of us would like to know how the copyright law applies to us and discuss it on your site. Oh, never mind I'll just go somewhere else.
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Most of the people I know are #1 definetly not Canadians and #2 believe that if they create software for a company on company time that the company then owns it.
And don't tell me, that me and everyone I know are stupid, before you hear that I had a friend who did this and the company DID begin selling it without any royalties going to him. He also didn't get any credit or anything. He took them to court and lost because the software was created on the companies computer and on their time.
However this was about 10-15 years ago so maybe things are different now, I hope.
If anyone has any more recent real life experiences with this I would like to know about it.
How far does the copyright law go concerning artists? Who is an artist? Isn't someone who creates an artist, no matter what they are creating?
I recently had the chance to sit in on a copyright meeting with ASMP (professional photographers) and I think it is rather amazing that they seem to have a lot more rights to their work than programmers do. I guess it is because there are groups like the ASMP out there, that's why they have such strong laws protecting their work.
Photographers basically have all rights to their work, unless they specifically give them away. If I go and take pictures you tell me to, where and when etc. directed by you with your camera and your film, they are still MY pictures. How come programmers don't have that protection as well? Maybe they do and it just isn't widely known.
That's not off topic. You gave him a -1 for insulting you. LOL.
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"A block in the assimilation of ideas inevitably arises when a discipline of precision is imposed before a stage of romance has run its course in the growing mind" -- A.N. Whitehead
The future is the result of all your worries, heart-aches, fears and troubles.
"We are becoming a race of watchers, not of doers. The miraculous powers that are yet to come may well prove more than our self-discipline can withstand." -- Arthur C. Clarke
"If your experience isnt' strange to you, it's false." -- Andre Breton
Give me a break. How many aspen groves do you think there are in the USA? Hello?
There's a whole bunch of groves of Aspens in Colorado. SLC isn't the only place with Aspen trees.
If this is so stupid then why are companies allowing it today? I don't think the companies of today are stupider or more tolerant than they will be in the future.
The reason programmers do this is so they will be able to work. If they come in 9-5 nothing will get done because everyone is busy asking them computer questions. Kind of like when a doctor goes to a cocktail party, he gets questions about this or that....well would you like your surgeon to be interrupted during his work by questions and etc. etc.? Well it takes the same amount of concentration, okay? That's why they need the solitude.
I would think that the software testers should be testing the previous days software and documenting the problems or if if works doing what they normally do, thumb twiddling.
Sounds like you've never done real tech support before have you?
Most of the people who call in #1 will be pissed off that your company changed something and #2 likely unable to type and #3 morons.
Yes it would be a nightmare for tech support.
Yes, we have that sort of beauracracy where I live because we are influenced by the British system of government. It's so horrible! The beauracracy in control abuses their power all the time, our government tries to price fix, exclude ALL outside products etc. Result? Noone can get whipped cream in the stores unless the store owner is breaking the law. Most people don't have business licenses because it's too hard to get one. To get a business license you have jump through hoops, pay a lot of money and beg. Well, most people have just decided to be criminals rather than go through all the nonsense. Now there are so many of them without business licenses that the Government can't even enforce their laws.
No, I don't think your system of government is better. This kind of governing should have gone away a long time ago. Look at your Government, you still have a Monarch! Hello, it's old, out of date, and BAD. Isn't this kind Monarchy ICANN's problem right now?
Concentrations of power are the problem, shifting that from the corporation to the government isn't going to help. You have to spread out the power, not just move it to another entity.
I wonder what happened to just doing a survey? It's easy to tell what attracts people's eyes. Buty why track it with a video camera? Could it be that these marketers are being duped?
No, the pressure to stop bullying needs to come from the outside (teachers, parents and other kids that see it happening). This has been known for years and many of the schools just don't give a damn. There were many efforts made to educate the educators about this.
I know for a fact that the Littleton & Cherry Creek school systems aren't any good for kids who are smart and not athletic. Personally I was really shocked at the level of incompetence - the teachers were almost causing the harrasement themselves by picking favorites. My son was kept out of advanced placement simply because the teacher didn't think he was good enough. Although at the end of the year she admitted she made an error. Never mind the fact that his IQ has been tested at 135. I believe the teachers & adminstrators were too busy trying to suck up to the rich families sending their kids to school there.
I'm only surprised that they shot so many kids, I guess they were angry at the entire school for not helping them when they needed it. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the schools are any better now. Those teachers involved saw nothing wrong with what they were doing in the first place.
I'm sure the shooters believe they rid the world of some real bad kids who would turn into some really bad people. They probably did. And the school is to blame. If your kid goes to a school like that I suggest you take him/her out and let them do internet home school.
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Give me a break - Halloween stories? Geeze what's next an Oprah Winfry story about transexual eskimos on Halloween and how they feel about the attack on America?
AOL just bought Slashdot didn't it? Don't lie to me, I can tell.
Why did you score me a 0 on this? It is clearly having to do with the same subject. And it is a very important issue that many programmers should know about. But nobody saw my post because you decided to score a 0. This is the worst kind of censorship. People can't discuss a damn thing on here with moderators choosing to give people 0 for no particular reason. I mean a 0 would mean it was completely boring and had no reason to be here. Hello? We are discussing the copyright law and how it applies to programmers -- this is an important point to many people in this field. Many people on this site are programmers. Many of us would like to know how the copyright law applies to us and discuss it on your site. Oh, never mind I'll just go somewhere else.
And don't tell me, that me and everyone I know are stupid, before you hear that I had a friend who did this and the company DID begin selling it without any royalties going to him. He also didn't get any credit or anything. He took them to court and lost because the software was created on the companies computer and on their time.
However this was about 10-15 years ago so maybe things are different now, I hope.
If anyone has any more recent real life experiences with this I would like to know about it.
How far does the copyright law go concerning artists? Who is an artist? Isn't someone who creates an artist, no matter what they are creating?
Photographers basically have all rights to their work, unless they specifically give them away. If I go and take pictures you tell me to, where and when etc. directed by you with your camera and your film, they are still MY pictures. How come programmers don't have that protection as well? Maybe they do and it just isn't widely known.
That's not off topic. You gave him a -1 for insulting you. LOL.
"A block in the assimilation of ideas inevitably arises when a discipline of precision is imposed before a stage of romance has run its course in the growing mind" -- A.N. Whitehead
The future is the result of all your worries, heart-aches, fears and troubles. "We are becoming a race of watchers, not of doers. The miraculous powers that are yet to come may well prove more than our self-discipline can withstand." -- Arthur C. Clarke "If your experience isnt' strange to you, it's false." -- Andre Breton
Arthur C. Clarke: "In this infinite universe we can never run out of matter or energy, but we can all to easily run out of brains."
Urging children to think creatively about the future, Dr. Erika Landau, of Museum Haaretz, Tel Aviv, asked, "What makes a good joke?"
Give me a break. How many aspen groves do you think there are in the USA? Hello? There's a whole bunch of groves of Aspens in Colorado. SLC isn't the only place with Aspen trees.
If this is so stupid then why are companies allowing it today? I don't think the companies of today are stupider or more tolerant than they will be in the future.
The reason programmers do this is so they will be able to work. If they come in 9-5 nothing will get done because everyone is busy asking them computer questions. Kind of like when a doctor goes to a cocktail party, he gets questions about this or that....well would you like your surgeon to be interrupted during his work by questions and etc. etc.? Well it takes the same amount of concentration, okay? That's why they need the solitude.
I would think that the software testers should be testing the previous days software and documenting the problems or if if works doing what they normally do, thumb twiddling.
Yeah and what if your entire team was killed by some crazy terrorists in an airplane? Better not hire anyone!
The passengers were told there was a bomb on the plane or something.
If anyone wants to discuss this in more detail, please go there. http://www.webzhead.com/discuss/
Sounds like you've never done real tech support before have you? Most of the people who call in #1 will be pissed off that your company changed something and #2 likely unable to type and #3 morons. Yes it would be a nightmare for tech support.
No, I don't think your system of government is better. This kind of governing should have gone away a long time ago. Look at your Government, you still have a Monarch! Hello, it's old, out of date, and BAD. Isn't this kind Monarchy ICANN's problem right now?
Concentrations of power are the problem, shifting that from the corporation to the government isn't going to help. You have to spread out the power, not just move it to another entity.
I wonder what happened to just doing a survey? It's easy to tell what attracts people's eyes. Buty why track it with a video camera? Could it be that these marketers are being duped?
No, the pressure to stop bullying needs to come from the outside (teachers, parents and other kids that see it happening). This has been known for years and many of the schools just don't give a damn. There were many efforts made to educate the educators about this.
I know for a fact that the Littleton & Cherry Creek school systems aren't any good for kids who are smart and not athletic. Personally I was really shocked at the level of incompetence - the teachers were almost causing the harrasement themselves by picking favorites. My son was kept out of advanced placement simply because the teacher didn't think he was good enough. Although at the end of the year she admitted she made an error. Never mind the fact that his IQ has been tested at 135. I believe the teachers & adminstrators were too busy trying to suck up to the rich families sending their kids to school there.
I'm only surprised that they shot so many kids, I guess they were angry at the entire school for not helping them when they needed it. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the schools are any better now. Those teachers involved saw nothing wrong with what they were doing in the first place.
I'm sure the shooters believe they rid the world of some real bad kids who would turn into some really bad people. They probably did. And the school is to blame. If your kid goes to a school like that I suggest you take him/her out and let them do internet home school.