Agreed. I sit here typing this on a factory black model M, and the picture looks almost identical. Contours, bulkiness, key placement. Only difference I can spot is theirs has windows keys, while mine has the eraserpoint mouse in it.
Learn vi. Vi may be hard at first but it is very useful. the linux version is generaly vim. You may also use gvim but it's better to kick yourself in the ass and learn it if you are to become a Unix sysadmin.
YES! Learn vi. Learn how the/etc/rc.d/ or/etc/init.d tree works, then learn enough of vi to be proficient. vi is the only text editor that ships natively with any unix-like OS out there*. No matter what type of system you're set down in front of, they all have a/etc/ tree, and they all have vi. Furthurmore, most all config can be done via/etc/ + vi.
* At least: Linux, *BSD, HPUX, IRIX, Solaris, Tru64, and AIX.
In addition to choosing a difficult distro to start with, pick up an older unix book. Something mid-80s or earlier. Why? Those books have more useful commandline tricks, simple stuff that is often overlooked in the modern day age of pointy-clicky. Scrounge your used book stores for a copy of "A Practical Guide to UNIX System V" for starters. I also scored a whole accounting box full of HP-UX manuals awhile back, many many neat tricks, mostly forgotten shell script kung-fu. You'll quickly pick up what still works and what doesn't. Basic commandline zen goes lightyears, especially if you plan to work with other variations of *n?x...
Hell, just install FreeBSD and bookmark the online handbook...
The general concensus has been that HT does not techincally count as a SMP system since....well since its not. A dual-core system however, actually has 2 logical CPU cores embedded onto one package. Like HP's PA-8800, its literally 2 PA-8700s in onepackage/
I've been using E for a few years now. Its easily the coolest window manager around if you've got some RAM to spare. Its easy to use, extremely customizable, and can be themed to hell and back. The eye candy is a bonus, but the handling of virtual/multiple desktops is amazing and does wonders for productivity (think about the first time you used tabbed browsing).
As for reasons to use it?
Well lets see....
The themes change not only the look, but the functionality and behaviour. (See the Aqua themes)
Window Grouping
Virtual/Multiple Desktops (Yes, there is a difference)
More options than you can shake a/. troll at
Easy to use
I could go on, but I really hate telling people why they should use a product. Since you had the motivation to ask, find some motivation to try it out. Most people that have the patience to tune E to their liking will never go back to anything else. If they do, its usually to a minimalist WM like ratpoison or fluxbox (both ends of the scale I suppose). If you don't think its worth your time to enhance your productivity, then stick with what you know. Otherwise, give it a shot and be prepared to get lost in the immense selection of themes!
I really hope they don't IPO. I use craig's list at work quite often to get rid of ancient "enterprise" grade hardware we get stuck with. Stuff that the local PC recyclers want to charge us for (can't blame em, its huge!), and the local scrap metal yards won't come pick up. Craig's list is a killer way to find local geeks, who will take the gear, use what they can, and dispose of the rest. Don't clutter this up with ads, it usually works better than Usenet too.
...they will. HP, Sun, IBM, and whoever else is in the dual core market, are marketing these as n-way machines. Take a big 64-way server, drop in a pin-compatible dual core CPU (or swap around some modular boards), and you now have a 128-way machine!
If the machines are marketed as 128-way machines, you can bet your sweet ass Oracle and its ilk will charge according to whatever they advertise.
Wrong, I just left a job where I had setup an old SparcStation 20 for a simple web browser and mp3 player on my test bench. It was installed within my first few months of employment, and then never turned off until my last day of employment.
Click Here for srceen shot.
I recently began using 5.x on a workstation in preperation for upgrading my router/doesitall server from 4.9 to 5.x. Overall it seems very stable, all the apps I've installed have gone in without a hitch. This includes many apps from the ports collection, some added via 'pkg_add -vr (pkgname)', and some handbuilt from source. The new DevFS setup is amazing and the new/etc/rc.d setup is just as killer as NetBSD's setup.
The only issue I've manage to run into, is that CPU Usage is not reported in top, systat, vmstat, GKRellm, or anywhere! This could be because its a SMP machine, but I'm not sure why that would make a difference unless theres still a few lumps in the SMPng code.
Still, it runs amazingly well. Currently using Enlightenment DR16/Gnome Desktop, Mozilla 1.6, OpenOffice (check the OpenOffice downloads page if you don't have enough room to build, they have.tbz packages), cups, and a slew of other apps. So, until NetBSD gets its SMP code to a releaseable point, it appears this is the BSD for me!
NetBSD loves the Sparc 32-bit stuff (Except the SS1000 and SC2000). I'm currently running it at home on a SparcStation Voyager and am lookin forward to the PCMCIA + Sparc support in 1.6 (802.11 anyone?). At work i run it on a SparcStation 20 with a 150mhz HyperSPARC. Its mainly used for testing scsi gear and SBus cards. About my only bitch is that it doesn't support the sound in either of them. Appearantly Sun used an audio chip for the audio AND the onboard ISDN in both of these machines (a la windodem). Oh yeah, i'm also running it on my laptop but am considering switching it back to linux for better wardriving^W802.11 support:)
Ah yeah, my first computer the 800xl. Well ok it was dad's but he DID teach me atari basic and a mean game of joust. That damn thing was complete right down to the acoustic modem, dual floppy drives, and the old ass C.ITOH printer. Wonder if hes still got that thing....better yet, i wonder if i can run netbsd on it yet. As for ATASCI, i think it should be classified as a Gateway Drug(TM)
Glad to see they're workin on adding more platforms to the list. Always good to see BSD is in fact not dying, specially since i use it for damn near ever production server i run.
I actually go to here these pithced by a rep from apple tonite. He was at the Seattle UNIX User group meeting showing off iMacs and G4's running standard UNIX fodder (XFree, gimp blah blah). Being a small meeting (about 20 or so ppl) we got to ask alot of questions about these things. Basically told us that they weren't designed for large server environments and to look toward the RAID version if you needed something like that.
and yes, the 22" lcd studio display look lovely when its running enlightenment + Aqua theme on top of Aqua in rootless X mode 8)
I'm amazed this made it to slashdot, this would only be news for nerds of they shot the whole lot of em off into space in some linux powered spacecraft.......and it "mysteriously" SegFaulted right about the time it hit the point of no return...
For a company that is planning on dropping all support for x86 in the first place, does this really surprise you? as a sun tech myself i totally see there point. Especially when the mainframes they refer to require another proprietary OS to run on top Linux. The article makes some good points, but this is also standard sun marketing.
Slashdot Mirror
The Revision Log Begs to differ.
It gets updated quite a bit, there's releases every now and then, but it is still considered a development version.
Agreed. I sit here typing this on a factory black model M, and the picture looks almost identical. Contours, bulkiness, key placement. Only difference I can spot is theirs has windows keys, while mine has the eraserpoint mouse in it.
Learn vi. Vi may be hard at first but it is very useful. the linux version is generaly vim. You may also use gvim but it's better to kick yourself in the ass and learn it if you are to become a Unix sysadmin.
/etc/rc.d/ or /etc/init.d tree works, then learn enough of vi to be proficient. vi is the only text editor that ships natively with any unix-like OS out there*. No matter what type of system you're set down in front of, they all have a /etc/ tree, and they all have vi. Furthurmore, most all config can be done via /etc/ + vi.
YES! Learn vi. Learn how the
* At least: Linux, *BSD, HPUX, IRIX, Solaris, Tru64, and AIX.
In addition to choosing a difficult distro to start with, pick up an older unix book. Something mid-80s or earlier. Why? Those books have more useful commandline tricks, simple stuff that is often overlooked in the modern day age of pointy-clicky. Scrounge your used book stores for a copy of "A Practical Guide to UNIX System V" for starters. I also scored a whole accounting box full of HP-UX manuals awhile back, many many neat tricks, mostly forgotten shell script kung-fu. You'll quickly pick up what still works and what doesn't. Basic commandline zen goes lightyears, especially if you plan to work with other variations of *n?x...
Hell, just install FreeBSD and bookmark the online handbook...
Cripes...as a owner of a O2...I can't believe I overlooked them!
The general concensus has been that HT does not techincally count as a SMP system since....well since its not. A dual-core system however, actually has 2 logical CPU cores embedded onto one package. Like HP's PA-8800, its literally 2 PA-8700s in one package/
Close, but the PA-8800 is still technically shared.
Sure you can
Oh you want one for the AMD64?
How about these?
As for reasons to use it?
Well lets see....
The themes change not only the look, but the functionality and behaviour. (See the Aqua themes)
Window Grouping
Virtual/Multiple Desktops (Yes, there is a difference)
More options than you can shake a /. troll at
Easy to use
I could go on, but I really hate telling people why they should use a product. Since you had the motivation to ask, find some motivation to try it out. Most people that have the patience to tune E to their liking will never go back to anything else. If they do, its usually to a minimalist WM like ratpoison or fluxbox (both ends of the scale I suppose). If you don't think its worth your time to enhance your productivity, then stick with what you know. Otherwise, give it a shot and be prepared to get lost in the immense selection of themes!
I really hope they don't IPO. I use craig's list at work quite often to get rid of ancient "enterprise" grade hardware we get stuck with. Stuff that the local PC recyclers want to charge us for (can't blame em, its huge!), and the local scrap metal yards won't come pick up. Craig's list is a killer way to find local geeks, who will take the gear, use what they can, and dispose of the rest. Don't clutter this up with ads, it usually works better than Usenet too.
...they will. HP, Sun, IBM, and whoever else is in the dual core market, are marketing these as n-way machines. Take a big 64-way server, drop in a pin-compatible dual core CPU (or swap around some modular boards), and you now have a 128-way machine!
If the machines are marketed as 128-way machines, you can bet your sweet ass Oracle and its ilk will charge according to whatever they advertise.
Use the tar file downloads instead, it did the same thing on my g3, on the fonts/ collection somewhere. Follow the instructions it works fine!
Wrong, I just left a job where I had setup an old SparcStation 20 for a simple web browser and mp3 player on my test bench. It was installed within my first few months of employment, and then never turned off until my last day of employment. Click Here for srceen shot.
user@bsdbox:/usr/ports/sysutils:$grep ports */pkg-descr | grep frontend
barry/pkg-descr:A nice KDE frontend to the ports system.
Haven't used it, but it looks intruiging
I recently began using 5.x on a workstation in preperation for upgrading my router/doesitall server from 4.9 to 5.x. Overall it seems very stable, all the apps I've installed have gone in without a hitch. This includes many apps from the ports collection, some added via 'pkg_add -vr (pkgname)', and some handbuilt from source. The new DevFS setup is amazing and the new /etc/rc.d setup is just as killer as NetBSD's setup.
.tbz packages), cups, and a slew of other apps.
The only issue I've manage to run into, is that CPU Usage is not reported in top, systat, vmstat, GKRellm, or anywhere! This could be because its a SMP machine, but I'm not sure why that would make a difference unless theres still a few lumps in the SMPng code.
Still, it runs amazingly well. Currently using Enlightenment DR16/Gnome Desktop, Mozilla 1.6, OpenOffice (check the OpenOffice downloads page if you don't have enough room to build, they have
So, until NetBSD gets its SMP code to a releaseable point, it appears this is the BSD for me!
PS: Any takers on the CPU Usage reporting issue?
And the unix tech even reads slashdot
With ice.....duh
NetBSD loves the Sparc 32-bit stuff (Except the SS1000 and SC2000). I'm currently running it at home on a SparcStation Voyager and am lookin forward to the PCMCIA + Sparc support in 1.6 (802.11 anyone?). At work i run it on a SparcStation 20 with a 150mhz HyperSPARC. Its mainly used for testing scsi gear and SBus cards. About my only bitch is that it doesn't support the sound in either of them. Appearantly Sun used an audio chip for the audio AND the onboard ISDN in both of these machines (a la windodem). Oh yeah, i'm also running it on my laptop but am considering switching it back to linux for better wardriving^W802.11 support :)
Ah yeah, my first computer the 800xl. Well ok it was dad's but he DID teach me atari basic and a mean game of joust. That damn thing was complete right down to the acoustic modem, dual floppy drives, and the old ass C.ITOH printer. Wonder if hes still got that thing....better yet, i wonder if i can run netbsd on it yet. As for ATASCI, i think it should be classified as a Gateway Drug(TM)
Glad to see they're workin on adding more platforms to the list. Always good to see BSD is in fact not dying, specially since i use it for damn near ever production server i run.
IPv6: Taking the "." out of .com
Sure, we'll just make up for it by usin one between each digit for reverse dns anyways.
the 128GB limit the current ATA standard holds.
Has anyone else thought this might be a good time
to bump that up a little?
I actually go to here these pithced by a rep from apple tonite. He was at the Seattle UNIX User group meeting showing off iMacs and G4's running standard UNIX fodder (XFree, gimp blah blah). Being a small meeting (about 20 or so ppl) we got to ask alot of questions about these things. Basically told us that they weren't designed for large server environments and to look toward the RAID version if you needed something like that.
and yes, the 22" lcd studio display look lovely when its running enlightenment + Aqua theme on top of Aqua in rootless X mode 8)
I'm amazed this made it to slashdot, this would only be news for nerds of they shot the whole lot of em off into space in some linux powered spacecraft.......and it "mysteriously" SegFaulted right about the time it hit the point of no return...
[root@laptop]~/: ssh spacestation
root's password:
[root@spacestation]~/: init 0
connection to spacestation closed
For a company that is planning on dropping all support for x86 in the first place, does this really surprise you? as a sun tech myself i totally see there point. Especially when the mainframes they refer to require another proprietary OS to run on top Linux. The article makes some good points, but this is also standard sun marketing.
Sun: A solution looking for a problem