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As long as you're promoting your business here, can you say if these "interested contributors" are going to be able to persuade you that your current ideas aren't very well thought out; that is, are you looking for serious input, or do you just want to have someone rubber-stamp your existing ideas?
I propose that a working group be formed to incorporate the same type of Authentication we know works with email
If you're serious about it, why don't you go to IETF?
Oh come ON; Galacitucus is one of the stupidest excuses for a bad guy there is.. I mean someone really big who eats planets?
Yeah, I can hear him in an interview now.. "Yes, I eat planets - I'm not too fond of the taste, but my doctor said I need more roughage. Ever since I switched to eating just planets, I've never had a problem taking a crap - they're better than metamucil!"
Where exactly does Galacticus take a dump anyway? I think that the number of restroom stalls that would accomodate him would be kind of limited, no?
Anyone who makes a comment such as this obviously NO knowledge of the diet.
Take a pill - the poster was saying that losing weight != being healthy, which is true.
Note that he did NOT say that the Atkins diet is unhealthy, just that using the sole metric of weight loss as an indicator of being healthy is, well, stupid.
Bulimia isn't healthy, neither is anorexia - both tend to make you lose weight. If the logic is "I lost weight, therefore I am healthy", then both bulimia and anorexia are both healthy.
The point is that this is not a conventional automobile, so the rules of conventional automobiles don't apply
This is what demonstrates that you're missing the point.
This is not a conventional automobile that is being lowered or raised as a retrofit - it's being desinged to do this.
The engine DOES have something to do with the suspension, because it's the heaviest thing in the vehicle, and it's weight (usually) isn't centered over all 4 wheels. If you believe that the engine doesn't have anything to do with the suspension, then you know even less about vehicles than you think I do.
Sorry if that came of combatative, I just really dislike the whole Matthew Lillard/Scream/I Know What You Did Last Summer/Teeny-Bopper Get Laid Movie crowd of actors
No problem, I can relate..
I just think that he's not quite as bad as the others... (Jennifer Love Hewitt has nice boobs though.. It's fun to watch her music videos with the sound off:o)
Trillian - Tia Carerra. I know, it never said Trillian was asian, but my image of her was always this exotic, immigrant British. If not her, than Mariana Sirtis (sans Troi accent, thank you)
No way! Tia Carrere can't play anyone but Tia Carrere - she's a horrible actress!
And Marina Sirtis is way too old to be picked up at a party by Zaphod.
Good call! I was scratching my head on that one, but I think he has the range and the physical appearance to pull it off..
Trillian - also could get away with an American in the role. Mid-twenties, and somewhat attractive but believably intelligent.
For Trillian, the only person I can think of would be Cathy Rogers (producer/host of Junkyard Wars)
I can't see anyone but a Brit in that role, but if you did cast an American, what about Christine Taylor (Ben Stiller's wife - played Matilda in Zoolander)?
Another maybe could be Tea Leoni, but she's might be a bit too old for the part.
There can be only one choice for Arthur Dent... Hugh Laurie
Oh man - I think he'd be perfect... although if Michael Keaton is Ford (another great fit, IMHO), I have to wonder if their mannerisms would clash too much..
And of course, the question still remains, who would play Zaphod?
It should, unless you can show me a report from an another unbiased agency that states otherwise. The UN is as close to unbiased as you can get.
having representatives from all the world gather in NY in a nice building to criticize us and then beg for money
Ahh, where they hold their meetings should be irrelevant. IIRC the reason that it's in the US is because that was a condition set by you.
And they don't "criticize" you and then beg for money. Once per year, they rank 160 or so countries based on "per capita income, health care, life expectancy and educational levels
It's not criticizing you (unless you think that saying that someone else is #1) is considered criticizing.
If you want to be ranked higher, do something about it (And I don't mean invading another country.)
do I really have to explain why you feel motivated to slam the top dog at every turn?
Nobody is slamming any "top dog" - they're pointing out that the US isn't the best country in the world in which to live.
Hint: it ain't because he's not #1
No, it's because he THINKS he's #1, when (at least last year), he's #6.
I'm replying to you. You felt the need to reflexively bash
No, I didn't - I felt the need to correct some wrong assumptions made by mc6809e - assumptions that seem to be an epidemic. mc6809e believes that the US is #1 (which it isn't), and that they're #1 because corporations had (or have) the right to trample over worker's rights (which also isn't true.)
Call us when they vote to move the UN headquarters to Dumbfukistan
If anyone is "reflexively bashing", it sounds like it's you.
Ottawa is trying to figure out how to fix the way that the Canadian standard of living is only about 75% of the US without actually getting too involved in the US market
Ahem, "Got Links?.
Considering that Candada has ranked higher than the US for as long as I can remeber (in the UN study, it's been #1 for the past six years straight,) I find this claim dubious.
who, exactly keeps watch to ensure that one party isn't being taken advantage of.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
You didn't answer my question, you just repeated it. Here, I'll post it again:
I think that it's interesting that instead of attacking my position, and telling me WHERE I was wrong, or under the wrong impression, you attack my character or state of mind.
Kind of like saying "I hate you for saying that stuff, but I know you're right about everything, so I'll call you a doodyhead instead."
American's are number one in a lot of things.
Ahh, such as? Perhaps I only got the Reader's Digest version of your post, but I didn't see you actually name any of them.
unless you've immersed yourself in our culture and learned to appreciate its shortcomings and strengths... most anything either of us say amounts to nothing more than boosterism
Hate to break it to you, but I'm Canadian - I'm "immersed" in your culture every day. Better than 70% of anything on my TV is American; more than 90% of movies shown in theatres here is American.
Just because your media doesn't take an interest in other countries, and you don't get TV programs from other countries, doesn't mean that the reverse isn't true.
The problem is that the person voluntarily gives up the future use of that knowledge to advance professionally now.
Sorry, but nobody should have to sign away their life just to 'advance professionally'.
And voluntary? Yeah, just like the kids that work in asian sweatshops. They do it cause they love it, right?
If they don't agree to the companies terms, they don't get the knowledge in the first place.
Umm, how exactly is this 'voluntary'?
Sounds a little like "I'll give you this nice, shiny doughnut if you sell me your soul."
Again, the logic can be (and probably is) used by people who run sweatshops.
If a company wants to keep it's employees, it should treat them like people, not inventory.
Much of the world would like America's prosperity and much of the world envies it.
True enough, but I doubt that you could count any developed nations as part of that.
Well, these are the sorts of things you have to
do if you want that prosperity.
Ahem, bullshit.
In case you hadn't noticed, the US isn't really #1 at anything besides tooting their own horns. With the arguable exception of movie production (which is fraught with it's own evils) I'm hard pressed to think of anything that you're better at than the rest of the world.
And in case you hadn't heard, there are much better (as decided by the UN) places to live and work - primarily because of people with your mindset.
allowing people to make agreements between themselves is an expression of freedom
Yes, but who, exactly keeps watch to ensure that one party isn't being taken advantage of. Someone has to watch out that a megacorp with an army of lawyers doesn't take advantage of it's workers.
Or do you believe that all labour laws should be abolished, and we should return to the 'good old days' of child factory workers, and indentured servitude? Because that's exactly where your argument takes you.
What's next, Coke lets you dock the shuttle with something?
Actually, Coke is going to launch a series of 1000 deep-space probes, each with the destination of a different star. They are then going to detonate nuclear warheads inside the star, to force them to go supernova, so that when the light from the supernovas reaches earth (in a few hundred years), it will spell out "Coca-Cola" in the night sky above the northern hemisphere.
THAT ought to end the "cola-wars" once and for all.
(I have a nice shiny nickel for anyone who can tell me the source of this:o)
Because they are a convicted monopolist that uses their technology to illegally crush their competition.
even with shitty proprietary standards, they can still dominate the market
You seem to be implying that their proprietary file formats are a hindrance to their continued domination of the market..
In fact, it's because of their "shitty proprietary standards" that they still dominate the market. Think about it: If someone wants to compete with them, they change the format, which prevents their competition from interoperating with their new software.
Some engineers probably had fun working on the idea, but the practical uses seem limited.
True, they only seem that way, and they only seem that way because you're looking at it from the standpoint of a conventional auto.
my truck can tow/carry 1500 pounds of weight in the back and has 30+ inches of ground clearance. While on the other hand my car can't hold more than a couple hundred pounds of cargo and only has 6 inches of ground clearance
The primary differences you're noting here is the suspension and engine, which is a holdover to the way the autos are designed.
In the design GM is working on, there is no engine - each wheel holds a self-contained motor. This removes all of the problems with a conventional drive train.
Think about it: no engine - no drivetrain... imagine if your car didn't have an engine, but still had all of it's power - that would go a long way to giving it the ability to handle that 1300 pounds of cargo your truck carries.
Ground clearance is just as simple: without the drivetrain, adding/removing ground clearance becomes a simple matter of (for example) a hydraulic lift.
This is more than just a gee-whiz gimmick - once you unshackle yourself from the limitations imposed by conventional autos, you see how revolutionary this really is.
That's a good philosophy if you know you'll never need to compile anything on them and the machines are purely dedicated to being webservers.
Ahem, did you READ what you're replying to?
Many Linux boxes though run more than just Apache and many people need gcc
Again, try READING the post, then attempt to understand what he's saying.
Here, I'll summarize for you:
PROPERLY CONFIGURED PRODUCTION MACHINES SHOULD NEVER HAVE COMPILERS ON THEM
YOU COMPILE STUFF ON NON-PRODUCTION MACHINES, AND INSTALL WITH A PACKAGE MANAGER
many people need gcc
Not on production boxes they don't.
if they've gained access to your box, what stops them from pulling down a GCC package for your architecture
This is a good question; simply put, because it would be lots and lots of work, that can be undone very easily.
It's not a big deal for a hacker to root a box and do something like that, but it's a HUGE deal for a worm to do it - according to the bugtraq discussion, this current version of the worm frequently gets the attack wrong, because it misidentifies the Apache version and platform, and gets the injection vector wrong. Now imagine if it had to identify not just the Apache version, and the archetecture, but the whole machine environment so that it can come up with a working build environment?
Imagine coming up with a way to identify every possible platform out there, and then obtaining or compiling a version of GCC for each one, and then storing it, so that the worm can automatically retrieve it. (GCC - with all of the includes, libraries, etc. is quite large.)
Then you have to make the worm available to download the correct version of GCC - which means that you either have to identify yourself (you put it on your own server), or you have to put it on a compromised server, and hope that the admin doesn't notice the gigabytes of tarballs now being served by his machine.
And regardless of which way you choose, you've just made it ridiculously simple to negate all the hard work you've just done: once the white hats find out where the data is coming from, they just notify that server's upstream connection, and your work is for naught.
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As long as you're promoting your business here, can you say if these "interested contributors" are going to be able to persuade you that your current ideas aren't very well thought out; that is, are you looking for serious input, or do you just want to have someone rubber-stamp your existing ideas?
I propose that a working group be formed to incorporate the same type of Authentication we know works with email
If you're serious about it, why don't you go to IETF?
Everybody on the internet today can now handle images.
Yeah, except those pesky blind people. (And yes, I know several people who are blind and use the internet via screen readers.)
Galacticus, now there is a serious bad guy....
Oh come ON; Galacitucus is one of the stupidest excuses for a bad guy there is.. I mean someone really big who eats planets?
Yeah, I can hear him in an interview now.. "Yes, I eat planets - I'm not too fond of the taste, but my doctor said I need more roughage. Ever since I switched to eating just planets, I've never had a problem taking a crap - they're better than metamucil!"
Where exactly does Galacticus take a dump anyway? I think that the number of restroom stalls that would accomodate him would be kind of limited, no?
Anyone who makes a comment such as this obviously NO knowledge of the diet.
Take a pill - the poster was saying that losing weight != being healthy, which is true.
Note that he did NOT say that the Atkins diet is unhealthy, just that using the sole metric of weight loss as an indicator of being healthy is, well, stupid.
Bulimia isn't healthy, neither is anorexia - both tend to make you lose weight. If the logic is "I lost weight, therefore I am healthy", then both bulimia and anorexia are both healthy.
If they get up to anti-oxygen can they make trace amounts of anti-water?
I thought we already had anti-oxygen... isn't that the stuff that gets rid of those free radical thingys that cause cancer?
i'm amazed at the amount of 'highly skilled' tech workers who can't take a shit without leaving crap on the side of the bowl.
:o)
Maybe caused by all the junk food they eat?
You know, garbage in, garbage out?
I'm not missing any point at all
Yes, you are.
The point is that this is not a conventional automobile, so the rules of conventional automobiles don't apply
This is what demonstrates that you're missing the point.
This is not a conventional automobile that is being lowered or raised as a retrofit - it's being desinged to do this.
The engine DOES have something to do with the suspension, because it's the heaviest thing in the vehicle, and it's weight (usually) isn't centered over all 4 wheels. If you believe that the engine doesn't have anything to do with the suspension, then you know even less about vehicles than you think I do.
Sorry if that came of combatative, I just really dislike the whole Matthew Lillard/Scream/I Know What You Did Last Summer/Teeny-Bopper Get Laid Movie crowd of actors
.. It's fun to watch her music videos with the sound off :o)
No problem, I can relate..
I just think that he's not quite as bad as the others... (Jennifer Love Hewitt has nice boobs though
Trillian - Tia Carerra. I know, it never said Trillian was asian, but my image of her was always this exotic, immigrant British. If not her, than Mariana Sirtis (sans Troi accent, thank you)
No way! Tia Carrere can't play anyone but Tia Carrere - she's a horrible actress!
And Marina Sirtis is way too old to be picked up at a party by Zaphod.
get the guy from "Scream" and "Scooby Doo" maybe
You mean Matthew Lillard?
Good call! I was scratching my head on that one, but I think he has the range and the physical appearance to pull it off..
Trillian - also could get away with an American in the role. Mid-twenties, and somewhat attractive but believably intelligent.
For Trillian, the only person I can think of would be Cathy Rogers (producer/host of Junkyard Wars)
I can't see anyone but a Brit in that role, but if you did cast an American, what about Christine Taylor (Ben Stiller's wife - played Matilda in Zoolander)?
Another maybe could be Tea Leoni, but she's might be a bit too old for the part.
There can be only one choice for Arthur Dent... Hugh Laurie
Oh man - I think he'd be perfect... although if Michael Keaton is Ford (another great fit, IMHO), I have to wonder if their mannerisms would clash too much..
And of course, the question still remains, who would play Zaphod?
What I said:
the US isn't really #1 at anything
What you said:
I guess that the US doesn't really produce anything useful or important
So evidently, you think that the only way to produce anything useful or important is to be #1?
It's not irony, it's you not being able to comprehend a simple english sentence.
Oh, the UN, well, that settles it then.
It should, unless you can show me a report from an another unbiased agency that states otherwise. The UN is as close to unbiased as you can get.
having representatives from all the world gather in NY in a nice building to criticize us and then beg for money
Ahh, where they hold their meetings should be irrelevant. IIRC the reason that it's in the US is because that was a condition set by you.
And they don't "criticize" you and then beg for money. Once per year, they rank 160 or so countries based on "per capita income, health care, life expectancy and educational levels
It's not criticizing you (unless you think that saying that someone else is #1) is considered criticizing.
If you want to be ranked higher, do something about it (And I don't mean invading another country.)
do I really have to explain why you feel motivated to slam the top dog at every turn?
Nobody is slamming any "top dog" - they're pointing out that the US isn't the best country in the world in which to live.
Hint: it ain't because he's not #1
No, it's because he THINKS he's #1, when (at least last year), he's #6.
I'm replying to you. You felt the need to reflexively bash
No, I didn't - I felt the need to correct some wrong assumptions made by mc6809e - assumptions that seem to be an epidemic. mc6809e believes that the US is #1 (which it isn't), and that they're #1 because corporations had (or have) the right to trample over worker's rights (which also isn't true.)
Call us when they vote to move the UN headquarters to Dumbfukistan
If anyone is "reflexively bashing", it sounds like it's you.
"And in case you hadn't heard, there are much better (as decided by the UN) places to live and work - primarily because of people with your mindset."
Got links?
Of course
Or would you prefer something from CNN?
Ottawa is trying to figure out how to fix the way that the Canadian standard of living is only about 75% of the US without actually getting too involved in the US market
Ahem, "Got Links?.
Considering that Candada has ranked higher than the US for as long as I can remeber (in the UN study, it's been #1 for the past six years straight,) I find this claim dubious.
who, exactly keeps watch to ensure that one party isn't being taken advantage of.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
You didn't answer my question, you just repeated it. Here, I'll post it again:
WHO keeps watch?
Whoa, cowboy! You got excited, didn't you?
... most anything either of us say amounts to nothing more than boosterism
I think that it's interesting that instead of attacking my position, and telling me WHERE I was wrong, or under the wrong impression, you attack my character or state of mind.
Kind of like saying "I hate you for saying that stuff, but I know you're right about everything, so I'll call you a doodyhead instead."
American's are number one in a lot of things.
Ahh, such as? Perhaps I only got the Reader's Digest version of your post, but I didn't see you actually name any of them.
unless you've immersed yourself in our culture and learned to appreciate its shortcomings and strengths
Hate to break it to you, but I'm Canadian - I'm "immersed" in your culture every day. Better than 70% of anything on my TV is American; more than 90% of movies shown in theatres here is American.
Just because your media doesn't take an interest in other countries, and you don't get TV programs from other countries, doesn't mean that the reverse isn't true.
The problem is that the person voluntarily gives up the future use of that knowledge to advance professionally now.
Sorry, but nobody should have to sign away their life just to 'advance professionally'.
And voluntary? Yeah, just like the kids that work in asian sweatshops. They do it cause they love it, right?
If they don't agree to the companies terms, they don't get the knowledge in the first place.
Umm, how exactly is this 'voluntary'?
Sounds a little like "I'll give you this nice, shiny doughnut if you sell me your soul."
Again, the logic can be (and probably is) used by people who run sweatshops.
If a company wants to keep it's employees, it should treat them like people, not inventory.
Much of the world would like America's prosperity and much of the world envies it.
True enough, but I doubt that you could count any developed nations as part of that.
Well, these are the sorts of things you have to
do if you want that prosperity.
Ahem, bullshit.
In case you hadn't noticed, the US isn't really #1 at anything besides tooting their own horns. With the arguable exception of movie production (which is fraught with it's own evils) I'm hard pressed to think of anything that you're better at than the rest of the world.
And in case you hadn't heard, there are much better (as decided by the UN) places to live and work - primarily because of people with your mindset.
allowing people to make agreements between themselves is an expression of freedom
Yes, but who, exactly keeps watch to ensure that one party isn't being taken advantage of. Someone has to watch out that a megacorp with an army of lawyers doesn't take advantage of it's workers.
Or do you believe that all labour laws should be abolished, and we should return to the 'good old days' of child factory workers, and indentured servitude? Because that's exactly where your argument takes you.
What's next, Coke lets you dock the shuttle with something?
:o)
Actually, Coke is going to launch a series of 1000 deep-space probes, each with the destination of a different star. They are then going to detonate nuclear warheads inside the star, to force them to go supernova, so that when the light from the supernovas reaches earth (in a few hundred years), it will spell out "Coca-Cola" in the night sky above the northern hemisphere.
THAT ought to end the "cola-wars" once and for all.
(I have a nice shiny nickel for anyone who can tell me the source of this
I used to run both ext3 and ReiserFS on my home machine.. my experience is that ext3 sucks..
Every month or so, I had to sit through the following:
"Warning: drive has been mounted more than 30 times, check forced" on the ext3 partition
I thought the idea for journaling was to AVOID fsck's on boot?
Why should MS have to change?
Because they are a convicted monopolist that uses their technology to illegally crush their competition.
even with shitty proprietary standards, they can still dominate the market
You seem to be implying that their proprietary file formats are a hindrance to their continued domination of the market..
In fact, it's because of their "shitty proprietary standards" that they still dominate the market. Think about it: If someone wants to compete with them, they change the format, which prevents their competition from interoperating with their new software.
Between this and the Schon case one might think the physics community was full of frauds.
:o)
WHAT?
Someone calling me a fraud?
And without the guts to say it to my face!
Oh.. umm, never mind
..and to think my school (Villanova) was a sell-out for only offering Pepsi
You take courses in Pepsi?
Is this art imitating life, or life imitating art?
Troy McLure: "If you have 5 Pepsi's, and you take away 3 Pepsi's, how many Pepsi's do you have?"
"You, third row, in Delaware"
Student: "Umm, Pepsi?"
Troy: "Partial Credit!"
Some engineers probably had fun working on the idea, but the practical uses seem limited.
True, they only seem that way, and they only seem that way because you're looking at it from the standpoint of a conventional auto.
my truck can tow/carry 1500 pounds of weight in the back and has 30+ inches of ground clearance. While on the other hand my car can't hold more than a couple hundred pounds of cargo and only has 6 inches of ground clearance
The primary differences you're noting here is the suspension and engine, which is a holdover to the way the autos are designed.
In the design GM is working on, there is no engine - each wheel holds a self-contained motor. This removes all of the problems with a conventional drive train.
Think about it: no engine - no drivetrain... imagine if your car didn't have an engine, but still had all of it's power - that would go a long way to giving it the ability to handle that 1300 pounds of cargo your truck carries.
Ground clearance is just as simple: without the drivetrain, adding/removing ground clearance becomes a simple matter of (for example) a hydraulic lift.
This is more than just a gee-whiz gimmick - once you unshackle yourself from the limitations imposed by conventional autos, you see how revolutionary this really is.
It's "Imma bussa cap in yo ass!"
Anyone else get Jar-Jar flashbacks when they read this?
That's a good philosophy if you know you'll never need to compile anything on them and the machines are purely dedicated to being webservers.
Ahem, did you READ what you're replying to?
Many Linux boxes though run more than just Apache and many people need gcc
Again, try READING the post, then attempt to understand what he's saying.
Here, I'll summarize for you:
PROPERLY CONFIGURED PRODUCTION MACHINES SHOULD NEVER HAVE COMPILERS ON THEM
YOU COMPILE STUFF ON NON-PRODUCTION MACHINES, AND INSTALL WITH A PACKAGE MANAGER
many people need gcc
Not on production boxes they don't.
if they've gained access to your box, what stops them from pulling down a GCC package for your architecture
This is a good question; simply put, because it would be lots and lots of work, that can be undone very easily.
It's not a big deal for a hacker to root a box and do something like that, but it's a HUGE deal for a worm to do it - according to the bugtraq discussion, this current version of the worm frequently gets the attack wrong, because it misidentifies the Apache version and platform, and gets the injection vector wrong. Now imagine if it had to identify not just the Apache version, and the archetecture, but the whole machine environment so that it can come up with a working build environment?
Imagine coming up with a way to identify every possible platform out there, and then obtaining or compiling a version of GCC for each one, and then storing it, so that the worm can automatically retrieve it. (GCC - with all of the includes, libraries, etc. is quite large.)
Then you have to make the worm available to download the correct version of GCC - which means that you either have to identify yourself (you put it on your own server), or you have to put it on a compromised server, and hope that the admin doesn't notice the gigabytes of tarballs now being served by his machine.
And regardless of which way you choose, you've just made it ridiculously simple to negate all the hard work you've just done: once the white hats find out where the data is coming from, they just notify that server's upstream connection, and your work is for naught.
IMHO a lot of spam does fall under the category of "free Speech"
Your opinion is just wrong.
Spam has NOTHING to do with free speech, any more than any other type of harrassment.
Free speech is the right to say whatever you want.
Free speech is NOT the right to force people to listen to you, nor is it the right to force people to PAY to listen to you.
Spam is harrassment.
Spam theft of service.
Spam is NOT speech.