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Self-Cleaning Glass

Chris writes "Consumers across Europe can now purchase self-cleaning glass that promises to keep windows free from dirt. The key to Activ glass is an ultra-thin coating only 40nm thick applied to the glass surface during the manufacturing process. The coating, which is based on titanium dioxide, works by combining the two beneficial effects. First, the ultraviolet wavelengths in sunlight react with a photocatalyst to break down organic debris on the glass. The second feature is that the coating is hydrophilic, meaning that when rain hits the glass, it doesn't form droplets. Rain water flows down the glass in a sheet and washes the dirt away."

267 comments

  1. Does this mean... by Phosphor3k · · Score: 0, Troll

    The glass could kill, or at least damage me, if I hold on to it for too long?

    1. Re:Does this mean... by srmalloy · · Score: 3, Informative
      The glass could kill, or at least damage me, if I hold on to it for too long?

      Unfortunately for us all, if you're holding on to the glass, you're blocking the sunlight necessary for the reaction to work -- and while it may work well for the typical dust and grime particle, I'm sure you'll admit that you're _considerably_ thicker than a layer of dust.
    2. Re:Does this mean... by Phosphor3k · · Score: 0, Troll

      In case you forgot, glass is clear. Light travels through it.
      I'm not an idiot. The reaction time of the chemical process would be way to slow to kill me. Ass.

    3. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think he's just sore at you for not being a first post troll :)

    4. Re:Does this mean... by saider · · Score: 1

      I assume that since you know the answer to your own question that you meant for the original post to be a joke. The person replying probably did not "get it". No need to get hostile.

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    5. Re:Does this mean... by hplasm · · Score: 1

      No, but it will drink your beer.

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  2. FINALLY by Mr+Guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Finally, corporations are responding to users. Rally around the cry, "I DON'T DO WINDOWS!"

  3. Self-Cleaning Dishes by DrLudicrous · · Score: 4, Funny

    When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

    1. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Wolfier · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot the PANTS man, PANTS!!!

    2. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by burbledrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

      Oh dear, another Slashdotter with no girlfriend :->

    3. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Glass pants? I can clearly see your nuts...

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    4. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by frunch · · Score: 1

      that was a laugh and a half.

      Mod parent up! +5 witty

    5. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by inkfox · · Score: 1
      Glass pants? I can clearly see your nuts...
      By jove, Gowen - you've done it again!!!
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    6. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what do I get for it? (Score 0: Offtopic)

    7. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by machine+of+god · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then your food will start to break apart while it's still on it.

    8. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's any consolation, many of us browse with Offtopic having a large bonus. Too much fun stuff lost otherwise. :)

    9. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by soegoe · · Score: 1

      In fact, this has been tried already. It seems, however, that they get scratched while in use, and thus lose their water-repelling properties. It's kind of cool, though... I saw a video of honey dripping off a spoon; the spoon was completely clean afterwards.

    10. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pants are optional, except for you.

    11. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey moron

      you can use the glass as your dish

    12. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...just as soon as you install a strong UV source in your dishwasher :-)

    13. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Tablizer · · Score: 2
      When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

      Try Dixie(TM) products

    14. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by zpengo · · Score: 2

      Forget plates and cups, what about self-cleaning armpits and genital regions?

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    15. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, self-cleaning glass pants would have come in handy yesterday. I had inadvertantly came down with a mild case of iron poisoning (which causes really bad diarrhea, among other terrible things) and uncontrollably crapped my pants in the middle of a parking lot. Ugh. What a mess.

    16. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by mbogosian · · Score: 1

      When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

      As soon as consumers get used to the idea that all their dishware has to be clear, and that you can only "wash" them by leaving them out in successive sunny/rainy days.

    17. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by morie · · Score: 2
      Funny, I assumed just the opposite thing.

      I used to just clean a dish when I needed one. Now my girlfriend makes me do do the dishes after I used them. The horror!

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    18. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And teeth. My god, how many of you unwashed, non-brushing, brown-toothed geeky bastards are there?!?!?!

    19. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a quick solution to your problem, my friend. Simply deflate your "girlfriend" and toss her back in the closet. Easy, huh?

    20. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Some people just have a knack for the once-in-a-lifetime pun. Bravo.

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    21. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by morie · · Score: 1

      When I tried to find a valve to deflate her, she slaped me!

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  4. Thats handy by gowen · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but last night I swear they were serving my beer in a self-emptying glass, and that was much less convenient. This morning, my hangover suggests that I may have been helping out.

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  5. So they have invented by Diclophis · · Score: 1

    Perma-Rain-X ? and what is to keep a bird or your pet animal from scratching this coating from the glass

    1. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd suggest a shotgun.

    2. Re:So they have invented by kuiken · · Score: 1

      Dunno what kinde pets you have where you live, buti would be verry afraid if they can scratch Ti :)

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    3. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the intro: ...meaning that when rain hits the glass, it doesn't form droplets. Rain water flows down the glass in a sheet and washes the dirt away

      Rain-X does the reverse. It forms big droplets that roll down the window more easily. This product claims to make the water flow in a sheet.

    4. Re:So they have invented by chamenos · · Score: 1

      according to the article its titanium dioxide, not titanium, so i don't think its as tough as titanium. i'm not sure about this though, cos i'm basing that on iron oxide, which is much weaker than iron so someone correct me if i'm wrong.

    5. Re:So they have invented by chamenos · · Score: 1

      one thing's for sure, i don't think this glass is going to be used on cars, because the water flowing down the glass in a sheet instead of droplets might severely hamper your view which would be a serious hazard. i think.

    6. Re:So they have invented by saider · · Score: 1

      I have a pair of glasses that are "scratch proof". Part of the sales pitch was the hardness index of the material was listed as being higher than sand.

      The problem is that a grain of sand, a hundred or so microns across, is much larger than the .050 micron layer of toughness. Left to natual forces, the sand would not scratch it. But left to a 1 year old child, the lenses were scratched on a carpet within seconds.

      This glass will scratch, and those scratches will hold onto dirt. So don't fire your maid.

      The moral of the story : Don't let your kids play with your Ray-Bans.

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    7. Re:So they have invented by NelsChristian · · Score: 1

      Titanium oxide is what they use to make some of those white ceramic knife sharpens & other abrasive products. It's hard, strong, but I'm not sure how brittle it is in this application.

    8. Re:So they have invented by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      one thing's for sure, i don't think this glass is going to be used on cars, because the water flowing down the glass in a sheet instead of droplets might severely hamper your view which would be a serious hazard. i think.

      I think the opposite, in fact, there have been chemical solutions on the market now for some time which effectively stop the water forming into droplets but instead letting the water run clean off. Besides that, do your cars not have wiper blades? Just a thought :)

      Here is one such solution, which has certainly been tried and tested. Now where did my self-walking dog get to...

    9. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A thin, even sheet of water is transparent, while a buch of droplet cause all kinds of distortion of the light...

    10. Re:So they have invented by AGMW · · Score: 1
      I had a windscreen wiper failure a few years back and discovered that while visibility was impaired greatly by the droplets, once sufficient water had been dumped on the 'screen, and once I had built up sufficient speed for the wind to take effect upon the water, the resulting sheet of water covering the 'screen was way better for looking through.

      I did have to question my sanity for driving through the "can't see" portion of the experiment, but I was more than happy with the results.

      Interestingly, slowing down didn't seem to make the water return through the opaque stage.

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    11. Re:So they have invented by SavingPrivateNawak · · Score: 1

      But some cars are equipped with that!!
      You never saw cars with a purple-ish windscreen?

      And I'm not talking about tinted glass, as the side windows are of a slighlty different color (greener)

      I have seen many of them in France

    12. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      generally, metal oxides are not and do not behave like metals at all - they rather behave like stone or ceramics. ceramics can be very hard but tend to be brittle and they resist much higher temperatures than metals. metals on the other hand have the useful property to be ductile, i.e. they bend and deform but do not break (to a certain extent).

    13. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, buy some real glasses like Oakleys or Gargoyles.

    14. Re:So they have invented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck france. The cars are all those tiny little three-wheeled trikes and the people don't shower.

    15. Re:So they have invented by chamenos · · Score: 1

      the windshield does have wipers, but what about the side and rear windows? and what about the external side view mirrors?

  6. Now... by s.a.m · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they would only do something for the *inside* that way I don't have to clean those as well!

    1. Re:Now... by NotZed · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could make self-raining skies too, for the drier parts of the world, so the windows dont get too dusty.

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    2. Re:Now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple - install tanning lamps and indoor sprinklers in all your rooms! Problem solved! ..now, about that special non-water-absorbent carpet you're going to ask about..

  7. I need that... by rimmon · · Score: 1, Funny

    whenever I clean my windows, my utility bill is lowered by two thirds since I can switch of all these lights during daytime :-)...
    darn that street and all that dust :-)

  8. Keeps Windows(tm) clean? by Jasa · · Score: 0, Troll

    But it still doesn't make it free from Bugs!

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    1. Re:Keeps Windows(tm) clean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1!!!!LOLOLOL!ROTFLMAO!!!
      THAT is stinking hilarious!
      you used MICROSOFT windows instead of the GLASS ones!!! man! the only way that could have been more witty and original is if you has actually used the word microsoft, but instead of an S in the name, you use a $!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  9. Perfect! by plarsen · · Score: 0

    Another one to my list of "must have"s when I move away from my parents!

  10. If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if only toilet bowls were made out of the same material.

    i work at a fortune 50 company, and i'm amazed at the amount of 'highly skilled' tech workers who can't take a shit without leaving crap on the side of the bowl.

    1. Re:If only by schon · · Score: 1

      i'm amazed at the amount of 'highly skilled' tech workers who can't take a shit without leaving crap on the side of the bowl.

      Maybe caused by all the junk food they eat?

      You know, garbage in, garbage out? :o)

  11. What's the news? by jared9900 · · Score: 1

    This glass was announced at least a year ago. I'll try to find the source, I'll post it if I run across it.

    1. Re:What's the news? by Deag · · Score: 1

      It's at least a year, there used to be ads about it here (Ireland) on tv... can't remember how long ago exactly.

    2. Re:What's the news? by theBunkinator · · Score: 1

      Saw this demo'ed at this year's builder's show in Atlanta (?) via a program on HGTV.

    3. Re:What's the news? by dave_f1m · · Score: 1

      Did you read the article? "...having cracked the mystery last year, the company initially launched the product in Ireland, Austria and the US. Today, the bandwagon has rolled into the UK en-route across Europe."
      So, the news if for People in the UK, Italy, etc.
      Seems simple enough to understand.

      - dave f.

  12. new definition by rppp01 · · Score: 1, Funny
    that promises to keep windows free from dirt.



    You call it dirt, I call it bugs. Whatever. If they can do that, then I might just have to reinstall when the next version comes out!

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  13. At first glance... by tomzyk · · Score: 1

    ...I thought that said "SELF-CLEANING CLASS", as if you Slashdot editors were trying to inform us that we (generally) don't have very good hygene and we may even need to go to school to learn to bathe properly.

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    1. Re:At first glance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      getting all self-conscious huh?

  14. I want this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I get a sheet of this material for my car?

    And not just for the windows, cover the whole car! Never wash it again!

    Sure! Call me lazy! I am!

  15. Look out Turtle Wax! by BadElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this stuff works like they say, it would be a great finish coat for cars. Instead of b*tching about it raining right after you give your ride a bath, the rain would *be* the bath! And with much of the country under drought conditions, think of all the water that could be conserved by eliminating the need to wash cars.

    1. Re:Look out Turtle Wax! by bpowell423 · · Score: 2

      I way ahead of you man... rain is already the only thing that keeps my truck clean. One of the downsides to parking my car in the carport is that I actually have to wash it!

    2. Re:Look out Turtle Wax! by spencerogden · · Score: 2

      Wax would actually do the oposite of this. Wax makes water bead, this stuff makes it sheet, like Rain-X does.

  16. HydroPHOBIC methinks. by Stavr0 · · Score: 0, Informative
    The second feature is that the coating is hydrophilic, meaning that when rain hits the glass, it doesn't form droplets.

    That would be a hydrophobic coating. Hydrophilic attracts moisture.

    1. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      That's the point it seems. This is the opposite of that stuff you put on your car's windshield to make the rain bead up.

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    2. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it IS hydrophilic, hydrophobic would make it bead up -- mod down parent!!

    3. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, philic it is. It's the 'hydrophobic' properties of normal glass that cause droplets to form.

    4. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by zeus_tfc · · Score: 5, Informative

      That would be a hydrophobic coating. Hydrophilic attracts moisture.

      You're on the right track, but reaching the wrong conclusion. A hydrophobic material would cause water to bead up on the surface, as the adhesiveness of the material would be much less than the cohesiveness of the water. This is a hydrophilic material, at least in a sense, because the water adheres to the surface so well that it counters the cohesiveness of the water. I say in a sense, because I think a hydrophilic material usually absorbs water.

      Of course, I could be totally off.

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    5. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by InadequateCamel · · Score: 1

      Hydrophillic materials do not necesarily absorb water, they just interact with it. In fact, you could trap water (and thus to the casual observer absorb it) by using hydrophobic materials. But everything else is very well stated! (much better than I ever could)

    6. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      That would be a hydrophobic coating. Hydrophilic attracts moisture.

      the second part is mostly correct, but the secret of this coating according to the article is indeed that it is hydrophilic.

      Purely speculating here, but ...

      What I find quite interesting is that a hydrophilic coating will actually attract water molecules to the surface, presumably adsorbed onto the surface by van der waals or hydrogen bonding most likely. Effectively, the adsorbed layer of water molecules would act a bit like a boundary lubricant lubricant, making it difficult for any dirt to stick to the window in the first place and therefore much more vulnerable to removal by rainfall ... ?

      But why the need for a titanium nitride coating???

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    7. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      But why the need for a titanium nitride coating???

      bah ... that should have said titanium dioxide

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    8. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by burbledrone · · Score: 1

      Ignore the slashdot writeup. (I didn't really need to say that, did I :-> ) The titanium dioxide coating is the photocatalyst. When UV falls upon it, it produces photoelectrons which transfer to any organic gunk on the surface, oxidising it.

    9. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by CommieLib · · Score: 2

      It would really suck when Pa had to shoot your windows, too.

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    10. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by 2cb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it should be hydrophillic. Chemist folk do studies of a surface by measuring the contact angle of a droplet of water on a surface. If the droplet seems to curl up to avoid the surface, then the surface is very hrdrophobic. If the water dropp flattens out on the surface, then the surface is very hydrophillic. If the drop completly wetts the surface, it is whupping hydrophillic.

    11. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by suprslackr420 · · Score: 1

      Actually (correct me if I'm wrong), since Titanium metal and oxide ion form an ionic bond, it SHOULD be called titanium oxide.

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    12. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      Both titanium dioxide and titanium oxide would technically refer to TiO2. The "oxide" suffix is generally used for the most common ionic compound (with oxygen, obviously :) ), which is usually also when the cation (the positively charged 'half' of the ionic compound) is in the base valence state. For titanium this is +4, ie. Ti^4+, so you need two O^2- anions to balance it out.

      The problem is that many metals, especially heavier elements, and the transition metals most of all, have multiple base valance states that are all very stable, so "XXX Oxide" could refer to any one of a huge number of compounds. Titanium, for example, is also common (and stable) as TiO3, TiO4, Ti2O3 and TiO6 (and some other, rarer versions) so you can see how it quickly gets confusing.

      I'm not sure without checking which is the correct name under the IUPAC conventions (standards for naming chemicals).

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  17. I love this. by siphoncolder · · Score: 1
    In my own car, I've tried to take steps towards keeping the glass clean, from cleaning the interior with water-woolite to prevent chemicals in the PVC from rising and sticking to the glass, to waxing the windows on the outside so that rain just streaks away from your field of view in the rain (you should try it - you hardly need to turn on the windshield wipers in lighter rains).

    Problem is, all that work turns into upkeep, since it's far from permanent. Also, you still end up with spotting and streaking on the windshield from the wax being moved by the wipers.

    This sorta thing could cut down on my maintenance costs, so that's a good thing - now if they could put it on the paint, i'd mess myself.

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    1. Re:I love this. by gorillasoft · · Score: 2

      to waxing the windows on the outside so that rain just streaks away from your field of view in the rain (you should try it - you hardly need to turn on the windshield wipers in lighter rains).

      You should really try Rain-X - it works the way you want it to and wipers do not pose a problem.

  18. I want that for my windshield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine, all that roadkill cleaning automagically off...mmm.

  19. self cleaning...Solar cells! by charlie763 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds like this would be good for Mars rovers and the like. One of the problems that we have with rovers is that the glass on the photo cells get dirty and degrades the power output of the cells. I know that it doesnt rain on Mars, but this glass and some wind might prevent the degredation from reaching beyond some critical value.

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    1. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      That's an excellent idea, but wouldn't the effectiveness of the self-cleaning material be lower given the fact that FAR less sunlight hits the ground of mars than here?

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    2. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Ford+Fulkerson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, if the mars rover would be covered with organic debris. I think that would be bigger news than self cleaning glass though.

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    3. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by sirius_bbr · · Score: 0

      From the article:
      First, the ultraviolet wavelengths in sunlight react with a photocatalyst to break down organic debris on the glass

      I don't think the dirt that get's on the solar panels on mars is organic...

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    4. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the glass depends on periodic rains to rinse the dust/degraded bugs off. No rain on Mars, and solar cells (being horizontal) would have little flow anyway. Not to mention few bugs.

    5. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually, this makes more sense for solar cells here on earth. People think that power generation with solar cells is free after you set them up, because they have no moving parts, etc. Actually though, it turns out that the most important reason why solar power is expensive in the long run is because somebody needs to periodically clean the damn solar cells. You might not think this is a big deal but when you consider the surface area of solar cells you would need to generate enough electricity to power a city, it really does become daunting.

      With this coating, maybe we could just plug 'em in and leave 'em alone. Well, that would be awesome--though I still think it wouldn't solve all the problems, and that the best way to go solar is to build collectors in space.

    6. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by lightcycler · · Score: 1

      You don't generally install hundreds of megawatts of solar cells in places where it rains...

    7. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Sounds like this would be good for Mars rovers and the like. One of the problems that we have with rovers is that the glass on the photo cells get dirty and degrades the power output of the cells. I know that it doesnt rain on Mars, but this glass and some wind might prevent the degredation from reaching beyond some critical value.

      Why not just blast it with pressurized air periodically? The atmosphere on Mars is so thin that the pressure does not even have to be that great in the storage bottle(s).

      It would function similar to the air can that PC hardware specialists have around for use on keyboards. (Although some say that stuff makes it worse by blowing some junk tighter into the springs instead of out. Lot of boogers in my keyboard :-)

      Have little spray nozles on the probe like the water nozels on car hoods, except use air.

    8. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Serveert · · Score: 1

      Umm, except that's a small part why it's such a nice material. Water and debris simply slide off the glass because it's truly flat. Therefore it would help quite a bit.

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    9. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by jgkastra · · Score: 1

      Organic means orbital hybridization (s and p orbitals merging into sp3, sp2, and sp orbials). The term organic used to concern only the compounds of life, then only carbon based compounds, and now any compound with hybridization. So the discovery of methane, ethane, methanol, and formaldehyde is not evidence of life on Mars.

    10. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by EEgopher · · Score: 0

      You would have to make sure this new dielectric of altered electrical permitivity wouldn't degrade the radio transmissions from earth. In the GHz range, even 40nm (or whatever it was) thickness will attenuate signals to a weaker power level.
      Of course, nobody shoots radio waves at solar panels, but if the antenna were enclosed in this self-cleaning glass, one would need to make sure signals could pass through. They have no major problem with glass alone.

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    11. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by NateTech · · Score: 1

      And we'd still use ten times the energy *creating* the solar cell than it will ever produce in its lifetime. They're not that "efficient" in that respect, but no one ever complains about the manufacturing process...

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    12. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by aug24 · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, a UV-active layer wouldn't help with generating power from the UV range...

      Justin.

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  20. Usefull for making Monitor screens out off... by tonywestonuk · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Esp after a few hours browsing for PORN!!

    (score -1 Redundant!)

  21. ahem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about something every geek could use? a self cleaning toilet.

    1. Re:ahem! by burbledrone · · Score: 1

      what about something every geek could use? a self cleaning toilet.

      Can't you get a gimp like any normal person ?

  22. Wow! The ultimate pr0n filter? by Tune · · Score: 1

    > Consumers across Europe can now purchase self-cleaning glass that promises to keep windows free from dirt.

    Sorry, could not resist.

  23. Re:Yawn. by Skal+Tura · · Score: 0

    i remember hearing about that thing about 6months ago... Perhaps then they made first ones now they can mass produce it... dunno..

  24. somewhere out there... by silverhalide · · Score: 2, Funny

    And somewhere out there, there's a Case Modder who just wet his pants.

    1. Re:somewhere out there... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...which in turn cleaned the window.

  25. The window cleaner's union by fruey · · Score: 3, Funny
    In a statement today the Window Cleaner's Union said that this announcement is the beginning of the end.

    One cleaner was quoted as saying "as soon as everyone installs these Windows, the traditional squeegee and soap solutions which anyone can use will become extinct. These Windows will dominate the market, leaving only the poor and art-glass people to come up with truly community spirit based solutions with work for great glass cleaning engineers"

    Then the skyscraper windowcleaner lift corporation also came in on the act "we can't fit these 'scrapers with our traditional pulley systems any more... sales are plummeting"

    Cowboy Neal still manages to stain his new glass though.

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    1. Re:The window cleaner's union by Quixote · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Window Cleaners Union should take a leaf out of RIAA's book and (a) ask Congress to pass the DWCA (Dirt Window Cleaners Act), and (b) sue Pilkington. After all, this new-fangled glass will put them out of business!

    2. Re:The window cleaner's union by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Instead of bitching about losing their jobs; they should get off their lazy asses and just get jobs at the window manufacturing plants or start their own.

  26. Glasses by fizz-beyond · · Score: 1

    Now if I could get that in my classes I'd be set, you have no idea how much stuff collects on them just from daily use (unless you wear glasses then you probably know how much stuff collects on them).

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  27. If it requires sunlight.... by MrSkunk · · Score: 1

    ...to get the dirt of the window, then these will be pretty much useless in places like London and Amsterdam where the sun shines about three days a year.

    1. Re:If it requires sunlight.... by Ratface · · Score: 2

      Ah, but on the upside, there's more than enough rain, so the dirst will be washed right off anyway thanks for the hydrophilic coating ;-)

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    2. Re:If it requires sunlight.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have sun light, then why would you need windows. ;)

  28. Nope, hydrophilic it is by David+Ziegler · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, I'm pretty sure that it is hydrophilic. Hydrophobic means it repels water, which would cause the water to form droplets, in order to reduce the surface area. Since it's hydrophilic, the water is attracted to the coating, which makes the water sheet.

    1. Re:Nope, hydrophilic it is by hagn · · Score: 1

      Isn't glass by itself already hydrophilic. If you've got a very clean piece of glass the water will already form no droplets but a sheet.
      I think it is only the dirt on the glass, which makes the water build droplets.

    2. Re:Nope, hydrophilic it is by Gekko · · Score: 2

      I think you are mostly correct. However to maintain the hydrophilic properties of normal glass it would have to be kept perfectly clean. Something not easily done in ohhhh say house windows. So you increase it's hydrophilic properties, so the water sheets, so it cleans its self.

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  29. Windex still needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the inside of the glass?

    1. Re:Windex still needed by kieran · · Score: 1

      Same coating, same sunlight, wet cloth?

      Even if not, it's the outside that is the priority - you don't normally need a ladder to clean the insides.

    2. Re:Windex still needed by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo · · Score: 1

      you don't normally need a ladder to clean the insides

      What about the vertically challenged? Are they destined to always get out the ladder to clean their windows? (Though, I guess they could just use a hose.)

  30. Re:Usefull for making Monitor screens out off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We definitely need an "TMI" moderation...

  31. Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by hrieke · · Score: 2

    Are the first two things I want to see this used on.
    Then I can see this used on car windows, computer monitors, and other glass surfaces.

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    1. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by vidnet · · Score: 1
      Not computer monitors maybe. The whole self cleansing part was brought on by UV light and rain.

      If you decide to open a few curtains and use the hose option, I think dirt on your monitor is the least of your worries.

    2. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by krugdm · · Score: 2

      If it can self-remove the fingerprints that my monitor attracts from people that think they actually need to touch the glass to point something out, I'm all for it!

      An even better solution is one that can deliver a small electric shock if your finger makes contact with the glass...

    3. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by Reziac · · Score: 2

      [laughing] Yeah, I know someone who cleaned his keyboard with a garden hose. Amazingly, the poor thing still worked after this abuse.

      But anyway... who's to say this couldn't lead to a better monitor glass as well? My newish Viewsonic's anti-static/anti-glare glass coating rejects dust pretty well, but I still have to very carefully clean the occasional spot of unknown matter stuck to the screen, and such stuff tends to STICK -- so I'm always afraid of damaging the coating. Maybe self-cleaning glass, even if not as effective inside, would help enough that spit spots and whatever would just slide right off (or would be easily removed by a dust rake) rather than needing to be rubbed off.

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    4. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by vrt3 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods
      Are the first two things I want to see this used on.

      There are three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't.
      (sorry, couldn't resist)

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    5. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by brain159 · · Score: 2

      kind of a "look but don't touchscreen"? ;o)

    6. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      back in the day - we used to put keyboards in the dishwasher. and yes they still worked.

    7. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by Reziac · · Score: 2

      I've heard of that too :)

      This fellow (then age 12) also tried cooling his overheating hard disk by sitting a bag of ice atop it. Quite creative. :)

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  32. Hydrophobia by bytesmythe · · Score: 2
    I think a hydrophobic coating would make the water bead up.

    Read this for more details

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  33. Its probably doomed. by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    I wonder if in this day and age, the Windex people will just sue them into oblivion or even better, buy it all up and never actually sell any.

    Of course if it does become available, I wonder if I can get my house made out of this stuff - I'd never have to clean again. Though I suppose I would still not be able to throw rocks. *grin*

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    1. Re:Its probably doomed. by gazbo · · Score: 0
      And what exactly would they be sued for, Albert?

      When someone releases a new car, other manufacturers don't sue them because it's better. I would give more analogies, but why bother? It's clear to anyone who'll actually think about it rather than just seeing the word 'sue' in the contect of 'this day and age' whilst nodding sagely.

  34. LOL!!!!! by gazbo · · Score: 0
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  35. Very cool! by Bartmoss · · Score: 1

    or two months now I have pondered to clean my windows. Triumph, I say! I was right not to do it! I will just get this stuff instead! Being lazy has finally paid off!

  36. Skyscrapers by z_gringo · · Score: 1

    It seems the real market for this will be in Tall Buildings, although the article didn't seem to mention that.

    I wonder what all those skyscrape window cleaners will do for work? I never understood how someone could just throw a rope over the edge of a building, and go down swinging back and forth cleaning the windows. Those moving platforms they have now at least look more stable, but with these new windows, those too might become obsolete.

    The problem seems to be that it would only "clean" the windows when it rains. What about windows that are posistioned where the rain won't ever hit them? I guess you could just hose them off...

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    1. Re:Skyscrapers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh huh... he said "hose"

  37. Coat my entire car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this substance be used to coat all of the glass and paint on my car so that I don't have to wash it as often?

    Or at least so that it isn't as dirty as it is for as long as I tend to let it stay dirty?

  38. Neat... next? by jhines0042 · · Score: 2

    Ok, cool, self cleaning windows.

    Best application for these will probably be cars.

    Question though, what happens if you get something non-organic on it... like spraypaint?

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  39. Rain inside? by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 1

    What are they going to do when it never rains inside the building? "Oops" goes the marketing department.

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    1. Re:Rain inside? by shokk · · Score: 1

      When have you seen window washers inside your building? I wonder if this stuff is toxic when it burns.

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  40. Doesn't work as advertised by HiQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    A few weeks ago I found out that there was a dead bird in my chimney (sp?). I only found out when there where hundreds of flies in my house, all covering the windows. All the shops were closed, so I couldn't buy a spraycan with which to kill all the flies. Openening the windows didn't do the trick so the only viable option left was to swat them. You should have seenm those windows after I was finished. Lots of organic debris on the glass, but there isn't a self-cleaning window in the world that could keep itself clean with a carnage like this.

    1. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by karnal · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure, but I think if you hit the flies with a spraycan, then you'd have more problems than just dirty windows.

      *smash!*

      I'll bet you're glad you couldn't find a spraycan :)

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    2. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orange juice spray would remove them also. It's sold as 'degreaser' for a higher price

    3. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by rholland356 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, fly goop on your windows would be a problem, especially since Activ is for *external use* only.

      I am building a house and tried for 3 months to find a glazer to put Pilkington in their frames. No luck--no one will touch it this year.

      But Pilkington sent me two panes of sample glass, which I set out in my yard. Conveniently, a bird decided to shit on one pane, and by now, both are looking rather dingy.

      Do they clean themselves? No, but if you hose them with enough water the shit just slides on down. It slides on down to the siding of your house, and I don't see anyone selling self-cleaning window sills.

      Well, I decided that rather than pay a premium to twist arms to get Activ, I'll use regular windows, and take the savings to hire a window cleaner to do the annoying job.

      RH

    4. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by geekoid · · Score: 2

      should of used a vacume cleaner.

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  41. Maybe they need self-cleaning paint by qurob · · Score: 1


    I could use it on my car

  42. This has been available in the US for years... by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 5, Informative


    PPG is one of the largest manufacturers of residential windows and they have produced windows using the self-cleaning coating for several years now.

    http://www.ppg.com/gls_sunclean/

    maru

    1. Re:This has been available in the US for years... by TJPile · · Score: 0

      He's right. Us Pittsburghers have known about these windows for almost a year. Maybe longer. We know our glass and steel ;).

    2. Re:This has been available in the US for years... by StuffYourReligion · · Score: 1

      For YEARS? Well from the example you gave, PPG, it would seem to be a new product only recently brought to market:

      "This allows SunClean glass to be one of the exciting new options available to consumers in the spring 2002 construction season."

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    3. Re:This has been available in the US for years... by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1


      I know, but the moderators didn't notice!

      maru

  43. Reversible Windows by arestivo · · Score: 1

    Now we just need some automatically reversible windows so we never have to wash them again.

  44. Don't throw away your Windex yet! by mustangdavis · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that I don't have to clean the ass print on my car windows after I moon someone during winter?

    Gimme a break people! You can't throw away your Windex yet!

  45. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if it breaks down organics what does it break them down to? What will it smell like?

  46. Worst application for this... by thaigan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You wouldn't want this on your car windows. It would have the opposite effect that RainX produces. Visibility during rain would be very bad.

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    1. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Ever seen what happens if you've got RainX on your car windows, and you run the squirters to clean the windshield? Apparently it reacts with the ammonia in the glass cleaner (maybe in conjunction with the plastic coating on some auto glass), and turns to a damnear opaque film instantly. What a mess!! (There have been a few lawsuits over this, tho I don't recall the outcome.)

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    2. Re:Worst application for this... by spencerogden · · Score: 2

      The way I read it is that it makes water sheet, just like Rainx does...

    3. Re:Worst application for this... by FFFish · · Score: 2

      Can't say as I've ever noticed this phenomena. I suspect it's urban legend.

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    4. Re:Worst application for this... by thaigan · · Score: 2

      RainX doesn't make the water sheet, it makes it bead up into very small beads. This is why you barely need your wipers in a moderate to heavy rain. If it made it sheet, you wouldn't be able to see a thing.

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    5. Re:Worst application for this... by wampus · · Score: 1

      the blue or purple stuff you put on your car windows is glycol and blue or purple dye, no ammonia at all. same reason eyeglass cleaner is made out of isopropyl alcohol. ammonia is pretty bad for some plastics, plus the alcohols evaporate fairly quickly.

    6. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      The RainX vs windshield cleaner solution is not urban legend -- I know about it because it happened to MY vehicle, while I was driving it. I'd recently applied the stuff, and all seemed fine -- until I used the windshield washers. Instant disaster!!

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    7. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Maybe now, but this was ca. 1985. And whatever it was, RainX and it definitely did not like each other!!

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    8. Re:Worst application for this... by FFFish · · Score: 1

      But I use it on MY vehicle, and it has never fogged. Looks like there's a YMMV difference. Did you apply and the *buff* the window? Perhaps you put too much on...??

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    9. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Applied exactly as directed, however that was (I don't recall exactly how it said to do it, as it was some 15+ years ago). As mentioned there were lawsuits over similar incidents, so I wasn't alone in having it cloud over my windshield but good.

      My guess is it wasn't well-tested with every windshield glass cleaner on the market (as it should have been for obvious safety reasons) and by chance some folk used a formula that reacted badly with RainX.

      I'd also applied it to my truck's rear window, which of course never sees any windshield washer solution, and it seemed to work as-advertised there.

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  47. Classic /. post by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

    Technically completely wrong and modded up as "informative".

  48. Obligatory Clerks reference: by dr_dank · · Score: 1
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  49. nudie booths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Randal: Do you have any idea how much the average jizzmopper makes?

    Dante: whats a jizzmopper?

    Randel: the guy that cleans the windows in the nudie booths I dont know if you realize it but cum leaves streaks if you dont wipe it off

    with apologies to Kevin Smith

  50. Its quite widespread already by sh0rtie · · Score: 5, Informative


    According to Google there are over 1500 references to self cleaning glass, quite a few manufacters are already selling it, Pilkinton (uk glass company) and Sunclean seem to be the market leaders though Pilkington seem to claim "the worlds first". The BBC reported this technology in 2001, in 2002 Saint-Gobain Glass won a Siemens Award for innovation for their version

    http://www.ppgsunclean.com/
    http://www.activglass.com/
    http://www.afgglass.com
    http://www.saint-gobain-glass.com

    1. Re:Its quite widespread already by rholland356 · · Score: 0

      Pilkington has loaded their channel with this glass, but you cannot find any name-brand window glazer who will touch the stuff.

      So, it's going into commercial buildings, but not residential.

      Oh. And it scratches easily, so it comes with a fair number of restrictions.

    2. Re:Its quite widespread already by 3D+Lover · · Score: 1

      In addition to these links, I seem to remember seeing something on this very topic on that Beyone 2000 show that was on cable many moons ago. They were talking about the glass cleaning efforts needed by the crew of the Queen Elisabeth II, and how this technology was partialy developed for use on the QE2.

      BTW, what ever happened to that show?

  51. Self-cleaning crack pipes? by Marijuana+al-Shehi · · Score: 1

    The article didn't say anything about self-cleaning crack pipes. Noelle Bush might be interested in one.

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  52. Pilkington have been selling them for a while... by valen · · Score: 1

    And though it's a great idea, it only really works in cities, and doesn't clean *everything*, just oil-based stuff from traffic (and then the dust that sticks to those oils).

    It creates a small amount of nitrous acid from rain - it seems someone likes acid rain...but only if it does work for us!

    While it'll get rid of marks from kids blowing raspberries on the window, it won't clear up the mud from their fingers.

  53. Titanium is cancerogenous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Titanium is a very poisonous metal. Is it really a good idea to cover all our windows with it?

    It also creates strong oxidants which themselves are cancerogenous...

    The Doom is Near

    1. Re:Titanium is cancerogenous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not pure titanium, it's oxidized! almost every white paint uses titanium dioxide as pigment.

    2. Re:Titanium is cancerogenous! by brain159 · · Score: 2

      And we're supposed to pay the slightest sensible attention to an AC who seems to honestly believe that "cancerogenous" is a real word? That's just as bad as the mentions of "meativores" in Jurassic Park.

    3. Re:Titanium is cancerogenous! by chemmathguy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's why you can find titanium dioxide in deoderant, toothpaste, etc...

    4. Re:Titanium is cancerogenous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is found in small quantities in a lot of personal hygiene products. It's most definitely a carcinogen, however.
      ...Animal studies show no fibrous effect from inhalation although an increase incidence of lung tumors in animals has been reported...Titanium dioxide is considered an occupational carcinogen..
      But I guess NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) wouldn't know anything about this would they? ;P
  54. You're the dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UV light wouldn't travel through the glass, it has to come from the same side the dirt is on.

    1. Re:You're the dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go take a chemistry class. Not all of the UV light will be blocked on its way through.

  55. Alternatively by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If glass or transparent plastic were a bit cheaper, you could just replace the windows and not need to clean them.

    How about a thin plastic film which you spray onto the glass and just peel off when it gets dirty?

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    1. Re:Alternatively by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Probably be fine if your window guy was a bird [g] or the world only had single-story buildings!!

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    2. Re:Alternatively by micromoog · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a hell of a lot more work than just squeegee-ing the glass occasionally.

    3. Re:Alternatively by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      How exactly would these two ideas be any easier than just CLEANING THE FUCKING WINDOWS?!

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    4. Re:Alternatively by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

      Ugh. A typical american idea: let's start producing throw-away windows, made of plastic!

      Sorry, had a bad day. Still irritates me, though.

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    5. Re:Alternatively by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 1

      The parent is moded "interesting", but I honestly hope the poster meant it to be "Funny".

      More wasted petroleum (plastic)? More wasted energy? All this just because one is too lazy to clean the f*$#ing windows? I quit in despair;

      Yeah, mod me "flamebait". But the parent is still "Interesting", not less, right?

    6. Re:Alternatively by John+Whitley · · Score: 2
      I'm at a total loss. I can't decide which I'm more flabbergasted by:
      1. The evil fscking throwaway mentality expressed in this post. Twice.
      2. That spraying a film of plastic might somehow be better than just cleaning the damn window!
      3. That someone modded this post up.
      4. That the userid of this post is a full two orders of magnitude lower than I'd expect, given the content.
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  56. One step closer... by msheppard · · Score: 4, Funny

    One step closer to transparent aluminum.

    (Hello... Computer?)
    M@

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    1. Re:One step closer... by Luckster7 · · Score: 1

      My Seiko watch already has this. Sapphire, along with ruby and emerald are alumninum oxides.

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    2. Re:One step closer... by MrScience · · Score: 1

      Already been done, my man.

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  57. Who needs blacktop when we have grass? by palmech13 · · Score: 1

    Excellent! Now we can plant grass without those pesky side effects like helping prevent flash-flooding of urban areas. No longer do we have to cover the earth with concrete, now plants can have equally harmful properties.

  58. Labor by _Spirit · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this was developed because of labor laws. Europe and my home country Holland have been tightening rules on what labor is safe to do for ppl, and what kind of measures should be taken to insure safety in the workplace.

    Because of this ladders aren't allowed anymore for windowwashers going up more than one or two floors. These tightened rules have made it either impossible or ridiculously expensive to clean windows in some hard to reach.

    These windows might solve this :-) Of course the developers might just be lazy bums like me, who hate to clean windows ;-)

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  59. HydroPHOBIC Windows? by SkankhodBeeblebrox · · Score: 1

    No guys... you have it all wrong... HydroPHOBIC would be when windows are scared of water, right???

  60. Don't get your fingerprints on the glass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the ultraviolet wavelengths in sunlight react with a photocatalyst to break down organic debris

    Johnny didn't I tell you not to get your sticky fingerprints all over the glass?

    Ah.. it hurts mommy.. my fingers hurt

    Ok, that wasn't as funny as I thought, plus someone already probably did something better anyhow. Damn you people and your reading abilities.

  61. DIY by doowy · · Score: 1

    A tip passed down by some family member - and it works! .. I put 'Avon Bubble Bath' on my windshield and it gives the same sort of effect.

    Okay, I don't know what goes on when UV hits it, but the water sheets and it seriously keeps the windshield pretty clean.

    It always makes me think of the infomercial for Durashine (c'mon, I know you've all seen it).

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  62. As with every new windows technology... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

    As with every new windows technology, this one's bound to have some bugs, annoying unexpected features, and unfortunate tendencies to be cracked.

    1. Re:As with every new windows technology... by rholland356 · · Score: 0

      I'm finding that getting this new windows technology installed is next to impossible!

  63. I can no believe you remember that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You lamer, you remember that rant!

    Either that or you didn't RTFA. But since it's almost a direct quote, FSCK U! :-]

    Next we cross, yer rocket meat.

    - da PanZaA

  64. Is it environmentally friendly? by frunch · · Score: 1

    From their site:
    Yes. The surface contains harmless chemical substances already found in the home, in such things as toothpaste and paint. In fact, with only small amounts of cleaning agents needed, Pilkington Activ(TM) self-cleaning glass is kinder to the environment than ordinary glass.

    Funny they should use paint as an example, since it generally has a fair amount of harmFUL chemical substances :)

  65. Er, Microsoft were there first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self-cleaning Windows was introduced in WinXP SP1.

    Just type this into IE... hcp://system/DFS/uplddrvinfo.htm?file://c:\*

    Warning: I don't take any responsibility if Windows is 'cleaned' off your hard drive by doing this. :-)

  66. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read about this years ago.

  67. Pyrex by Reziac · · Score: 2

    I don't know about window glass, but Pyrex's glass bakingware has had a very effective nonstick coating for some years now. Dump out whatever you baked in it, and the dish is almost completely clean, needing only a bit of rinsing to get it squeaky-clean.

    The downside is, the nonstick surface scratches very easily, kinda like old-style teflon did.

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  68. Hydrophilic by ahild · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think you mean hydrophobic, since a hydrophilic substrate would "love" the H2O and either let it pass through itself or bead up on the surface.

  69. This was demoed on the BBC about a year ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a demo of a prototype of this about a year ago on the BBC.

    Basically, if I remember correctly, the conclusion was that it was pretty good, but extremely expensive, and probably of most use for windows that are difficult to get to, like on roofs of biospheres, that kind of thing.

  70. What about Blighty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the ultraviolet wavelengths in sunlight react with a photocatalyst to break down organic debris on the glass"

    Not much use in Britain then...

  71. Solution to water on windscreen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Have you ever seen two (or, if you happen to own a Mercedes, one) metal arm thingie with a rubber blade just lying about at the lower end of your windscreen? That's right - wipers!

  72. Clerks Nudie Booths conversation!!! by MicroBerto · · Score: 4, Funny

    With this stuff, we won't need any jizz-moppers anymore! Read on:

    Randal: [reading magazine] Have you ever wondered how much the average jizz-mopper makes per hour?
    Dante: What's a jizz-mopper?
    Randal: He's the guy that cleans up the nudie booth after each guy jerks off.
    Dante: Nudie booth?
    Randal: Yeah, nudie booth. You've never been in a nudie booth?
    Dante: I guess not.
    Randal: Oh, it's great. There's this glass wall between you and these chicks, and they put on a show for you for like 10 bucks.
    Dante: What kinda show? [customer walks up to counter]
    Randal: They do the weirdest, craziest shit you like to see chicks do. They insert things into any opening on their body-ANY opening.
    Dante: Could we not talk about this now?
    Randal: The jizz-mopper's job is to clean off the glass after each guy shoots a load. I don't know if you noticed, but cum leaves streaks if you don't clean it right away.
    Customer: I will never come to this place again!
    Dante: I'm sorry? [I could have sworn he says 'excuse me']
    Customer: Using filthy language in front of the customers, you both should be fired.
    Dante: I'm sorry, I guess we got carried away.
    Customer: I don't know if sorry could make up for it, you've highly offended me.
    Randal:Well, if you think that's offensive, check this out! [shows him graphic picture from porn mag] I think you can see her kidneys!
    Customer: Aaaaargh!

    One extra insight -- what does the customer bring up to the counter?? You guessed it! Paper towels and glass cleaner! Hahaha, what an incredible movie

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    1. Re:Clerks Nudie Booths conversation!!! by iamdrscience · · Score: 1

      The problem is that there are parts other than the glass in a nudie booth that can be subject to jizz, thus ensuring the jizzmopper's heroic place in the workforce for a few more years at least.

  73. Back the Future II may not have been far off by lute3 · · Score: 1
    While Marty McFly in the retro-shop buying his sports almanac:
    Now, this has an interesting feature, a dust jacket. Books used to have these to protect the covers, of course that was before they had dust repellent paper. And if you're interested in that, we have a quaint little piece from the 1980's, called a Dustbuster.
  74. Biomimicry by moroderzone · · Score: 1

    I never saw a picture of the glass, but I am guessing it has a similar surface to that a ginkgo leaf , which is also self cleaning. Biomimicry is the field of science that is looking at nature for ideas for inventions. Could be anything... genetic algorithms... The book Biomimicry: Innovation Inspired by Nature is an intresting read. I met the author Janine M. Benyus. She is very nice and down to earth.

  75. Implications for Windshields and Radar Detectors by j-turkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is this slated for use in car windshields? If so, I wonder how this will affect the detection range of radar detectors.

    A few years ago, there was a study of cars with windshields that use certain tinting and weatherproofing that (incadently) reduces the efficency of radar detectors, cutting detection range from 60-80%. There's some info on it here, and a bit more info here.

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  76. Can we by dubiousmike · · Score: 4, Funny

    coat my 16 month old son with this? He gets dirty within 30 seconds of coming out of the bath.

    Please make sure to leave air and sight holes. ;-]

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    1. Re:Can we by Rocky · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the poop hole...

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    2. Re:Can we by f00zbll · · Score: 1

      what about pee hole and ear hole?

    3. Re:Can we by jhines0042 · · Score: 2

      I know you are kidding, but read this:

      Asthma Risk May Be Cut by Dirt, Study Says

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    4. Re:Can we by Marticus · · Score: 1

      Why would you need sight holes in glass?

  77. Nose prints by ckessel · · Score: 1

    Now, if this would remove the nose prints my cat leaves on the inside of my windows they'd really have something...

  78. woo! by Ruliz+Galaxor · · Score: 1

    WOO! Ideal for students like me! Now I don't have to wash my windows anymore!!
    err... anymore? hehe, I've never done them anyway

    sig(h)

  79. Windshields! by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

    When can I get this for my car? I would love to come out in the morning to windows free of dew or bug guts! Driving in a hard rain would be much nicer too. Easily worth a 20% premium for the cost of a windshield.

  80. No more fingerprints by verloren · · Score: 1

    Great! I won't have to take the extra time to wipe the fingerprints from my neighbor's window every eveni...

    oh, wait...never mind.

  81. Not just Europe by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    This has been available in the US for a while.

    I've been pricing new windows for my house, and the self-cleaning stuff is an (expensive) upgrade.

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  82. But what about the geckos? by g8orade · · Score: 1

    Can they still walk on it?

  83. Give me environmental free glass or give me death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the glass environment friendly

    will it harm the environment

    this is the most important point to consider

  84. You mean the glass is hydrophilic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the water forms sheets, the glass must be hydrophilic. If it were hydrophobic the water would bead. Look at what happens when you wax your car....

  85. Great! by Scooter · · Score: 1

    can I get that stuff on my car too? Breaks down dirt and rain flows over the windscreen without forming drops - no wipers required!

  86. My first application of this tech... by DohDamit · · Score: 2

    Actually, the first thing I thought of was the inside of my microwave oven. Damn food splatters everywhere.

    1. Re:My first application of this tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cover your food in wax paper or plastic wrap to prevent splatter everywhere.

    2. Re:My first application of this tech... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of PAPER TOWELS, Subgenius?
      .

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    3. Re:My first application of this tech... by DohDamit · · Score: 1

      You were really, really hunting for a way to insult someone today, weren't you, you asshole. This is about the application of a new technology in a convenient fashion. Go somewhere and masturbate some more, and keep your comments to yourself, assface.

    4. Re:My first application of this tech... by p3d0 · · Score: 2

      Good thinking. Then all you need is ultraviolet light and the occasional rain storm inside your microwave oven.

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    5. Re:My first application of this tech... by DohDamit · · Score: 1

      Well...actually, I was thinking of the steam that comes off my food.

  87. Mmm, glassy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the same tech used in powdered donuts (titanium dioxide, if you read the label) is now applied toward building materials! It's like carnuba wax all over again!!

  88. price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i use IE3.02 for security reasons, so the linked site doesnt display properly.. i checked the source, and still couldnt find any mention of pricing.. so, let me make an assumption and warn ya.. i work in an art framing store, all high end stuff.. the coated glass products (denglas water white, truvue museum glass, etc) all cost MANY times the price of ordinary glass.. a pack of 4 sheets of museum glass 32x40 inches costs us over 300 dollars wholesale.. and this 'self cleaning' glass is much more recent technology and thicker coating.. expect to pay through the ass for this stuff..

    not that windows arent already outrageously priced as it is.....

  89. Do they coat the inside of the windows? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Also, would the glass itself stop the portion of the spectrum that activates the cleaning process for any inside layer?

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  90. Bad Idea 4 solar cells blocks UV by spineboy · · Score: 1

    This glass uses a coating which uses and absorbs UV light to break down dirt. Solar cells unfortunately need the UV light to fuction properly

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  91. Published in Nature in 1997 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea of using titanium to render glass self cleaning was published in Nature under the title "Light-induced amphiphilic surfaces" (388:431-432). titanium dioxide is generated by coating the surface and then exposing the glass to uv, e.g., putting it outside in the sun. The uniqueness of the titanium coating is because it loves both water (hydrophilic) and long chain carbons, such as soap (oleophilic). This combination (amphiphilic) sounds a lot like a good bath. And since it needs the sun to be activated, is particularly good for windshields.

  92. Grafitti solution? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    I was wondering if something similar could not be done for grafitti. You spray a thin coat over a given street sign, for example.

    When the "artist" fouls it, you spray on a chemical that dissolves the coating, and the grafitti then flows off with the dissolved coat.

    Then hose it down and put on a fresh coat again.

    1. Re:Grafitti solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try MEK, seems that shit will disolve just about anything

  93. Re:Bad Idea 4 solar cells blocks UV by dmadole · · Score: 3, Informative

    Solar cells unfortunately need the UV light to fuction properly

    That's not true. The spectra of radiation that can be converted to energy by a solar cell is directly related to the bandgap energy of the material the cell is made from, and there is an optimum (for efficiency) bandgap that corresponds to the visible spectrum of light. Most solar cells do not convert significant energy in the UV area of the spectrum

    That's part of the reason that solar cells are quoted as being only 10-15% efficient. That's of the total solar spectrum. Most are better than 50% efficient within the relatively narrow part of the spectrum that they are tuned for.

    For a little more information, see the ever popular How Stuff Works.

  94. Great for lab techies by mortis_aeturnus · · Score: 1

    It would be nice to have glassware that is hydrophillic. Some of the more annoying aspects of lab work, especially when dealing with small volumes, is droplets sticking to surfaces. Having (sub 1ml) pipette tips coated with a hydrophillic film would really alleviate the headache of getting every microliter of your liquid, greatly increacing the accuracy of delivery to boot. Self-cleaning glass would also help decrease the chance of a contamination from a previous experiment. Having a hydrophillic surface would also ease dissolving solids into liquids because of the adhesion of the powder to the glass and your attempt to rinse ot off will only create concentrated pools of semi-desolved solution sticking to the glass. Hydrophillic surfaces might even lessen the static clinging of powders to glassware.

    1. Re:Great for lab techies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't a hydrophillic pipette sort of not DO anything? I thought they worked by the liquid clinging to them.

  95. What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a coating like this on the inside of my toilet, shower, and sinks. Hell, coat my whole damn apartment.

  96. Self cleaning ass? by badvictor · · Score: 1

    That would be great!

    1. Re:Self cleaning ass? by Oswald · · Score: 1

      More to the point--why don't we have them? Every other animal does.

    2. Re:Self cleaning ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.

  97. Anyone who uses this is stealing and a terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The window cleaners union, the Windex corporation and the RainX corporation - known as the Windows Cleaning Association of America (WCAA) announced today that anyone who uses self cleaning glass is a theif and possibly a terrorist.

    "Self Cleaning glass violates the contract you have with the glass cleaning industry...it's theft, plain and simple" an industry spokesman said earlier today.

    Citing the DMCA the glass cleaning industry is taking a cue from the entertainment industry and has decided to spend all of thier R&D money on a team of lawyers and lobbyists.

    Senator Hollins is already on board, receiving a lifetime supply of rainX in response for saying that "The window cleaning industry is yet another obsolete business model that we can keep alive through the use of scare tacticts, systematic removal of the publics liberties, and congressional market manipulation."

    It appears the current plan is to not only make it illegal to own any self cleaning glass, but also to own any glass that isn't "trusted". There will be a new microchip in all windows that will identify itself to your windex or rainX bottles. If the bottle does not receive proper identification your window will be shot at by company jets patrolling US neighborhoods. All older windows will be exempt for now, but the industry is fighting to get mandatory compliance by 2007.

    However this has some consumer advocates in an uproar. Spokesman from the EFF had this to say:

    "Someday the only 'free' option will be to have no windows at all. Our children and elderly will freeze to death. Our houses will become damaged from the rain and the wind. This is not freedom. But freedom is not what America stands for anymore. Profit is. This is all about Profit for the Window Cleaning corporation."

    Intel and Microsoft shares rose 3% on the news that the new Secure Windows OS could be used for the "Trusted" window identification scheme proposed by Hollins and the WCAA.

  98. mistake in story text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean hydrophobic- repels water rather than hydrophilic - attracts water

  99. This is old news by El · · Score: 2

    This was announced last year here

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  100. Brings a tear to my eye... by Myco · · Score: 2
    *sniff*

    God bless America(tm)...

    1. Re:Brings a tear to my eye... by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      So what kind of money can they make then?
      Just out of interest!

    2. Re:Brings a tear to my eye... by Cruciform · · Score: 2

      about $7.35 an hou-- Hey wait! You tricked me!

  101. How about a Self-cleaning Soul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats what scientology offers. a self cleaning soul. ONce you learn about Xenu ....
    (poster has just exploded in a great big fireball) excuse the mess. You see its forbidden for someone in the church of scientology to say, write, or type the word XENU
    XEMU
    XENU
    Does Erika Christensen know that 75 million years ago X%$# brought millions of people to earth and put them around the volcanoes of the world and then blew them all up with hydrogen bombs. And then actually forced the souls of these dead people to watch films for several hours. And then waited for one hell of a long time until humans actually appeared on the planet. And then covered every human like fleas thus causing the humans all kinds of grief. And the only way to get rid of these fleas was to go through AUDITING at a Scientology parsonage for a whole bunch of money.
    Does Erika Christensen know these things?

  102. To quote B&B... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

    [Butthead]: This... Is the Coolest Thing... I have Ever Seen. :b
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  103. won't happen in the US by g4dget · · Score: 2
    US homes are usually constructed by companies just for selling them, or by people who don't expect to live in them for more than a decade. That means that they usually cut a lot of corners: the quality of the materials may be good (though often it is not), but any frill gets cut.

    Europeans often still build homes for themselves and expect to live in them for a lifetime or generations. Then, it makes sense to pay for extra conveniences.

    1. Re:won't happen in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true. take a look at monolithicdome.com

  104. Let the window washer speak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I owned and operated a large window cleaning business for over 15 years. This kind of thing has been around since the mid-80s. It does work, sort of, for awhile.

    First we had polymer and silicone coatings, (like Rain-X and its cousins) which prevented stuff from sticking to the glass, so rainwater would just wash it away. It works OK for awhile, 'til the coating weathers away. In most places, this takes about a year or two. Then you're wanting to wash the windows, as often as ever.

    Then there are metallic coatings, which give skyscraper windows their pretty tint, and insulate from strong sun. This new self-cleaning technology is very similar- a metallic or metal oxide coating on the glass. Unfortunately, this is also subject to weathering. Rainwater is acidic- very acidic when combined with the dust and soot that accumulates on buldings in cities. This acid literally eats away metal and glass.

    Next time you look at a glass building, look for discoloration in the tint, where the water runs off. It's there on every big building and skylight. Bird poop is also very acidic, and also eats away at the metallic tint. That's why it's important to remove it- if you don't, it can leave ugly spots. Beyond that, the glass itself can become pitted and rough- either from acidic runoff, or mineral deposits from hard water.

    So whether or not this technology works (and it looks like it does), it won't replace traditional window cleaning unless they can make it impervious to weathering. This is the hard problem, which to my knowledge, no one has solved.

    Of course, this isn't to say that fast talking glass salesmen won't sell a lot of this stuff to idiot architects and developers.

  105. Bachelor Pad Dishes by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    Make an entire table setting out of this. You pull them out of their box, set the plates, cups, and silverware on the table, and never have to move them again! No more soapy water to deal with, no more looking for a last clean cup under the sofa! Bliss...

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  106. Linux geeks by MaryAlice · · Score: 1

    With this technology, I wonder how many Linux geeks will start to do Windows ;-)

  107. Re:Implications for Windshields and Radar Detector by 3waygeek · · Score: 2

    Well, Pilkington does make auto glass -- my new Mitsubishi Diamante has their glass. My guess is that if some European/Asian automaker asks for it, they'll do it if it's technogically feasible (i.e. can it meet safety regs).

    Interesting point about radar detectors -- I tend not to use one, since there's not a lot of speed limit enforcement around Atlanta, and the few municipalities that aggressively enforce speed laws tend to use laser rather than radar.

  108. STP Vision Blade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    claims to last 6 months.. In reality, it is in fact very close to that. I've found it much better than Rain-X.. Give it a try.

    Warren

  109. Cool! by bruthasj · · Score: 2

    Now LA just needs to convert all their street signs to glass. It might be cheaper than barb wire.

  110. self cleaning monitors by searleb · · Score: 2

    It would be really interesting to have self cleaning monitors. Everyone seems to forget to clean the fingerprint and sneeze crud off of them. Of course, there are no windows anywhere near my cubicle, so glass that uses UV to break down grime is out of the question.

    1. Re:self cleaning monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless you work under fluorescent lights, those make a lot of UV light hehe

  111. Shower screens by oh · · Score: 1

    This is going to make my life so much easier. It might be too expensive to have to do the entire house with this stuff, but I'd gladly pay extra to have a shower screen that doesn't end up with all those little spots from droplets of water that have dried ont he glass.

    Not only would the glass not get as dirty, but cleaning it should be a lot easier, just hose it down. It should dry streak free!

    Sounds silly, but anything that gets me out of having to clean the shower every weekend is a good thing.

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  112. Yeah that's great by Deosyne · · Score: 1

    Birdshit off the windows, woohoo. Now where in the hell is my self cleaning bong?!?

  113. Arthur C. Clarke by Protonk · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the exact same technology that made one of the protagonists of Clarke's novels--something cowritten or ghostwritten about earthquakes....

    Man, I feel dorky.

    1. Re:Arthur C. Clarke by wahmuk · · Score: 1

      You're probably thinking of "Ghost From the Grand Banks" , about a project to raise the Titanic 100 years after its sinking (2012, for the historically-challenged). One of the characters invents a self-cleaning windshield for automobiles; his one claim to fame. I remember it involving an ultrasonic vibration technique... I couldn't find my copy.

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  114. Re:has cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    auto glass repairers recommend not using rain-x or otherwise coating the windscreen. This is because if or when you get a chip in your glass, the resin that they use to repair the chip will not bond properly to the cracked glass. Hence the repair will only delay the crack, and you will have to replace the windscreen soon enough.

    But if you want to the run the risk go for rain-x, its definately the best for its purpose, if you want the same effect on the cheap, my father used to add a small amount of methylated spirits when cleaning the windscreen.

    BTW: Rain-x has an anti-fog product to stop PVC vapour, etc sticking to the inside of the windscreen, thereby stopping fogging.