Well now there is the issue. Education about our current monetary system is nil. We dont teach the basics. That this is so far off the radar does not change the fact that this is a major issue. It mearly shows that there is a major lack of education about these very important issues that would have a direct effect on the planets current debt market woes.
Dennis Kucinich advocates this, so it is not so far off the radar as you might imagine.
Also, what is so scary about incorporating the Fed into the treasury? The Fed is a private entity that the gov borrows money from. If it were a gov agency, we would not be borrowing money that is created by a private entity, but creating money within the gov itself, for use by the people not for use bu the private bankers.
So please enlighten me as to why you think this idea is sad and scary. I am open to another point of view.
The first thing I would do is eliminate the Private Federal Reserve and start a government owned and operated Central Bank. The idiocy that is our current system, does not support sustainability and virtually guarantees a boom bust cycle, a debt bound working middle class and a large percentage of people in poverty.
This is all because of the international Banking Cartel and this can all be fixed with a Government controlled central bank.
What do you think is the most common cause of accidents?
Don't you think that risks can be mitigated by training and efficient technique?
I am a lead-foot too, but I am safe. I am safe because I don't go faster than my sight distance, I am safe because I maintain my vehicle meticulously, I am safe because I make a point to be safe.
I don't think we disagree that the OP had some intelligent comments. . .
Articulate is where our contention lies.
Look, I agree with the OP in many respects, but to see him contaminate the argument with profanity, makes me think he is just some middle level talented IT pro, who could never get leverage with others and wondered why no one listens. Maybe he is not, maybe he is a top of the line man, who is everyones go-to guy, but I will say this: he limits himself when he brings insults and profanity into the game.
With regard to all of the other stuff, I am right there with you. I have been a developer for a modest period of time, and I enjoy tinkering with my environment, so I have the luxury of using whatever OS I need at a given time, and understanding the limitations of them. I bow to IT all the time and I understand their situation, as I have been there and done that too. I laugh at the people who tout linux on the desktop troughout the environment. . . Yeah right.
At any length, we disagree about the profanity, not the arguments. And for the record, I believe that one can convey passion in their writing without the use of profanity, most of the time.
Anyway, I'll give one to you:
The idea that no gentleman ever swears is all wrong. He can swear and still be a gentleman if he does it in a nice and benevolent and affectionate way. - Mark Twain
It always amuses me to see someone make some intelligent comments and have some valid points. . .
And then Fuck up their entire point by using shit eaters language to make sure they got their smart ass intelligent point across. Because hey, to be a Big Boi in todays IT you gotta be able to make a DANM good exclimation point and drive that fucker home. Otherwise you are just the pansy in the back cubicle.
I'm not saying that there aren't good uses for cussing, but reading you. . . Well, I am glad I'm not your Manager, listening to you talk to a subordinate, user or a God Forbid, a customer. Alas this is the Internet, so that makes it easier to decide to do this. But it certainly adds nothing to others perception.
I thought the exact same thing. . . but then I too have read "Learning The World". Lets hope we are still alive when the universe decides to pop with intelligent species. . . I sure could use a set of genetically added wings.
Let me apply an anology to your comment that has the same effect. . .
How many people would get on a medical protocol if it had only a 90% cure rate? What if the designers were only 85% sure it would help you live past the next week?
Well, why are you so gung-ho about not rewiring the Western world's economy based on degrees of consensus and confidence that are that good?
Carl Sagan was quite the environmentalist himself, but he still believed that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." I've never been a fan of that quote because it implies that scientific scrutiny should be applied only to a degree sanctioned by someone's value judgment. But I think a reasonable rephrasing would be, "Extraordinary demands require extraordinary justification."
Can you provide Your argument? I still haven't seen apples to apples.
BTW. . . do you know Slashdot requites at least 11 seconds between clicking reply and post? . . . I guess it forces one to think a tiny bit longer. But at any length, I STILL SECOND THIS COMMENT.
I have the same exact thoughts on this matter. What is so difficult about choosing the right thing to do?
I have had access to everyones e-mail, including my girlfriends. Was I tempted to read it? Yes. But that Is where I believe character and morality come into play. Or better yet, self-conscience.
Many don't choose to ask themselves what they would personally think about Jim Bob, if they knew Jim was doing something like this. I would be appalled that Jim had chosen to do such a thing, and I would not only think less of Jim, but actively abhor him.
This is not the person I want to be. I think that once you cross the line it becomes easier and easier, it is something that takes bites out of your character, until you are left with nothing, but an empty husk of humanity, doing everything for your personal pleasure, and caring nothing of others or anyone else.
And the discussion comes full circle. What is so difficult about choosing to do the right thing? It is indulgence, and impulsive desire, the 'me' attitude that pervades society.
There are many who share our attitude, but there are much more who don't. Men of character are few and far between.
This is actually an insightful comment, if you read between the words, as it were. . .
For this is EXACTLY the type of responses you should expect from your fellow employees at this type of firm, at least until you have earned a serious amount of respect, and that ain't easy.
What would be the repercussions for earth? Since the lobes are pointed away, we don't seem to be in danger, but surely there would be some effects, what exactly would they be? (Besides "Good show"!)
What if the lobes were pointed this way, what exactly could we expect? (Besides "Bad!")
"My analogy was neither an argument for nor against anything."
Good point, I had noticed that after I submitted, and my statement about the strength of your argument is invalid, because your statement didn't seem to argue for or against, my bad.
As for gross output, I still maintain the answer is efficiency, you can make an efficient, high output engine. And you can strive to make more efficient low output engines, though I would agree that one would want to focus more effort on the most gross inefficiencies.
Your argument against, actually supported the argument for.
In the case that a Civic has a higher specific torque (hp/l) than a Corvette, it can be shown that the civic would be more efficient than the Corvette.
In the same manner, if the US per capita output of carbon were higher than the Chinese, then (On the basis of carbon output to maintain a population) the Chinese would be more efficient.
Beyond the how bad we are doing metric, we can strive to become more efficient in our energy usage, and thus reduce the amount of carbon we output.
One fluorescent bulb in every American household would be the equivalent of removing 800,000 vehicles from the road. ( I saw that on a television commercial tonight )
Wow, thats a lot of work. I hope you are healthy. No flame intended, I would just like to engage you in a discussion about this. . . but I think that is going overboard. How do you know it "works pretty well" as in it keeps you from getting sick etc?
Yup, shame on them for helping themselves. I never did it, and to my knowledge, my pals didn't do it either, we TALKED about it being an amoral thing to do, we actually talked about it.
On the same token, to directly address your original comment about 'what ifs' . . . this is where it all comes together.
Shame on ANYONE for taking advantage of the honor system at national parks, do lots of people enter without paying? Is finding me in the park evidence that I did it? You had better have some serious evidence before you accuse me of such a thing.
Shame on ANYONE for irreverently throwing their cigarette butts and candy wrappers about, do lots of people do it? Is seeing me smoking a cigarette evidence that I'll pollute?
Shame on ANYONE for taking my CD case on a hot day, when my window was rolled down, does this happen a lot? Is seeing me walk by a car with the window rolled down and a case on the seat evidence of intent?
This is where all of the 'what ifs' become wholly relevant.
I actually believe that. Yes I do.
With regard to your analogy, about me being like a party member in 1984; What the heck are you talking about? And how is that even remotely relevant to your argument?
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Well now there is the issue. Education about our current monetary system is nil. We dont teach the basics. That this is so far off the radar does not change the fact that this is a major issue. It mearly shows that there is a major lack of education about these very important issues that would have a direct effect on the planets current debt market woes.
Dennis Kucinich advocates this, so it is not so far off the radar as you might imagine.
Also, what is so scary about incorporating the Fed into the treasury? The Fed is a private entity that the gov borrows money from. If it were a gov agency, we would not be borrowing money that is created by a private entity, but creating money within the gov itself, for use by the people not for use bu the private bankers.
So please enlighten me as to why you think this idea is sad and scary. I am open to another point of view.
The first thing I would do is eliminate the Private Federal Reserve and start a government owned and operated Central Bank. The idiocy that is our current system, does not support sustainability and virtually guarantees a boom bust cycle, a debt bound working middle class and a large percentage of people in poverty.
This is all because of the international Banking Cartel and this can all be fixed with a Government controlled central bank.
You Maam, are not making any point at all.
What do you think is the most common cause of accidents?
Don't you think that risks can be mitigated by training and efficient technique?
I am a lead-foot too, but I am safe. I am safe because I don't go faster than my sight distance, I am safe because I maintain my vehicle meticulously, I am safe because I make a point to be safe.
I don't think we disagree that the OP had some intelligent comments. . .
Articulate is where our contention lies.
Look, I agree with the OP in many respects, but to see him contaminate the argument with profanity, makes me think he is just some middle level talented IT pro, who could never get leverage with others and wondered why no one listens. Maybe he is not, maybe he is a top of the line man, who is everyones go-to guy, but I will say this: he limits himself when he brings insults and profanity into the game.
With regard to all of the other stuff, I am right there with you. I have been a developer for a modest period of time, and I enjoy tinkering with my environment, so I have the luxury of using whatever OS I need at a given time, and understanding the limitations of them. I bow to IT all the time and I understand their situation, as I have been there and done that too. I laugh at the people who tout linux on the desktop troughout the environment. . . Yeah right.
At any length, we disagree about the profanity, not the arguments. And for the record, I believe that one can convey passion in their writing without the use of profanity, most of the time.
Anyway, I'll give one to you:
The idea that no gentleman ever swears is all wrong. He can swear and still be a gentleman if he does it in a nice and benevolent and affectionate way. - Mark Twain
It always amuses me to see someone make some intelligent comments and have some valid points. . .
And then Fuck up their entire point by using shit eaters language to make sure they got their smart ass intelligent point across. Because hey, to be a Big Boi in todays IT you gotta be able to make a DANM good exclimation point and drive that fucker home. Otherwise you are just the pansy in the back cubicle.
I'm not saying that there aren't good uses for cussing, but reading you. . . Well, I am glad I'm not your Manager, listening to you talk to a subordinate, user or a God Forbid, a customer. Alas this is the Internet, so that makes it easier to decide to do this. But it certainly adds nothing to others perception.
I thought the exact same thing. . . but then I too have read "Learning The World". Lets hope we are still alive when the universe decides to pop with intelligent species. . . I sure could use a set of genetically added wings.
I hope they put the Spin down on us and save us from ourselves. . .
Thats my point. Thank You.
This is apples to oranges.
Let me apply an anology to your comment that has the same effect. . .
How many people would get on a medical protocol if it had only a 90% cure rate? What if the designers were only 85% sure it would help you live past the next week?
Well, why are you so gung-ho about not rewiring the Western world's economy based on degrees of consensus and confidence that are that good?
Carl Sagan was quite the environmentalist himself, but he still believed that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." I've never been a fan of that quote because it implies that scientific scrutiny should be applied only to a degree sanctioned by someone's value judgment. But I think a reasonable rephrasing would be, "Extraordinary demands require extraordinary justification."
Can you provide Your argument? I still haven't seen apples to apples.
I second this comment.
BTW. . . do you know Slashdot requites at least 11 seconds between clicking reply and post? . . . I guess it forces one to think a tiny bit longer. But at any length, I STILL SECOND THIS COMMENT.
Thats a whole bunch of prospectin' I have to do now. . . Thanks for taking the time to throw that together.
I have the same exact thoughts on this matter. What is so difficult about choosing the right thing to do?
I have had access to everyones e-mail, including my girlfriends. Was I tempted to read it? Yes. But that Is where I believe character and morality come into play. Or better yet, self-conscience.
Many don't choose to ask themselves what they would personally think about Jim Bob, if they knew Jim was doing something like this. I would be appalled that Jim had chosen to do such a thing, and I would not only think less of Jim, but actively abhor him.
This is not the person I want to be. I think that once you cross the line it becomes easier and easier, it is something that takes bites out of your character, until you are left with nothing, but an empty husk of humanity, doing everything for your personal pleasure, and caring nothing of others or anyone else.
And the discussion comes full circle. What is so difficult about choosing to do the right thing? It is indulgence, and impulsive desire, the 'me' attitude that pervades society.
There are many who share our attitude, but there are much more who don't. Men of character are few and far between.
Care to list the RPGs you play on the PS2? Id like to check 'em out.
Yes, it is. . . please tell me where you are going with this.
This is actually an insightful comment, if you read between the words, as it were. . .
For this is EXACTLY the type of responses you should expect from your fellow employees at this type of firm, at least until you have earned a serious amount of respect, and that ain't easy.
Good luck!
Bender Unit 22,
You are uncommonly friendly for a bending unit, have you an emotion chip installed?
Or maybe you just want to get close enough to steal my wallet ehh?
Try: http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/
What would be the repercussions for earth? Since the lobes are pointed away, we don't seem to be in danger, but surely there would be some effects, what exactly would they be? (Besides "Good show"!)
What if the lobes were pointed this way, what exactly could we expect? (Besides "Bad!")
From the way the poster asked the question, I just kind of gathered he wanted a non-PC based standalone DVR box.
I know all about Myth / ATI MMC / Beyond TV etc, but I too would like to know about STANDALONE boxes, which have nothing to do with a PC.
What's out there? Whats good?
I am not making a false argument. I am stating a fact. You draw your own conclusion.
"My analogy was neither an argument for nor against anything."
Good point, I had noticed that after I submitted, and my statement about the strength of your argument is invalid, because your statement didn't seem to argue for or against, my bad.
As for gross output, I still maintain the answer is efficiency, you can make an efficient, high output engine. And you can strive to make more efficient low output engines, though I would agree that one would want to focus more effort on the most gross inefficiencies.
Freeman Dyson is a nuclear physicist, not a climatologist.
The word you are looking for is "efficiency".
Your argument against, actually supported the argument for.
In the case that a Civic has a higher specific torque (hp/l) than a Corvette, it can be shown that the civic would be more efficient than the Corvette.
In the same manner, if the US per capita output of carbon were higher than the Chinese, then (On the basis of carbon output to maintain a population) the Chinese would be more efficient.
Beyond the how bad we are doing metric, we can strive to become more efficient in our energy usage, and thus reduce the amount of carbon we output.
One fluorescent bulb in every American household would be the equivalent of removing 800,000 vehicles from the road. ( I saw that on a television commercial tonight )
Wow, thats a lot of work. I hope you are healthy. No flame intended, I would just like to engage you in a discussion about this. . . but I think that is going overboard. How do you know it "works pretty well" as in it keeps you from getting sick etc?
Yup, shame on them for helping themselves. I never did it, and to my knowledge, my pals didn't do it either, we TALKED about it being an amoral thing to do, we actually talked about it.
On the same token, to directly address your original comment about 'what ifs' . . . this is where it all comes together.
Shame on ANYONE for taking advantage of the honor system at national parks, do lots of people enter without paying? Is finding me in the park evidence that I did it? You had better have some serious evidence before you accuse me of such a thing.
Shame on ANYONE for irreverently throwing their cigarette butts and candy wrappers about, do lots of people do it? Is seeing me smoking a cigarette evidence that I'll pollute?
Shame on ANYONE for taking my CD case on a hot day, when my window was rolled down, does this happen a lot? Is seeing me walk by a car with the window rolled down and a case on the seat evidence of intent?
This is where all of the 'what ifs' become wholly relevant.
I actually believe that. Yes I do.
With regard to your analogy, about me being like a party member in 1984; What the heck are you talking about? And how is that even remotely relevant to your argument?