I find it interesting that mack@ocaddiction.com is the person that submitted this story. Makes you wonder what ocaddiction gets out of it. I find it interesting that ocaddiction appears to have a lot of very positive gushing reviews of ocsystem products, including claiming they are using the "Expeditious Gamer" line of ram in some of their test systems. I "personally" would take about anything that ocaddiction has to say about hardware with a grain of salt at this point. YMMV
I bought an athlon thoroughbred B 1700+ almost a month ago for 49 bucks shipped to my door. By increasing the voltage from the stock 1.5 to 1.7, I was able to increase the bus from 133 to 174 and the multiplier to 12. That gives me a fsb of 348 with both my memory (kingmax pc2700 TinyBGA) and my processor so they are running the same speed on my Epox 8k5a2+. I'm overclocking my pci bus, but only to about 34-35 at 174, so practically not at all. With a processor speed of 2088 at that fsb, I essentially can outperform an athlon 2600+ and nearly match the 2700+'s performance. For cooling I'm using a thermalright slk-800 heatsink with a 80mm to 120mm adapter, and an AOC(evercool) 30db 80fpm 120mm aluminum fan. I have arctic silver 3 heatsink compound very thinly spread between the heatsink and the processor. It's a very very silent setup. At idle lm_sensors shows 38c. Under very heavy load, I might hit 44c, but usually never see anything much higher than 41c. So lets add that up:
one tube arctic silver: 7 bucks one slk-800: 35 bucks AOC 120mm aluminum fan: 12 bucks Athlon XP 1700+ tbredB: 49 bucks
According to pricewatch...
One Athlon XP 2700+: 270
With my Geforce3 ti500 (ebay, 70 bucks) overclocked to 260/540 with a thermaltake cooler upgrade and the rest of my rig, I'm pulling well over 200 fps at 1280 by 1024 with every goodie pumped up the whole way on quake3. ut2003 looks and performs flawlessly. I'm not really worried about Doom 3 at all. Also, this is completely on Gentoo 1.4rc2. Using nvidia's latest drivers. It's been running like this for 2 weeks with no problems, failures, anything. I'm using kernel 2.4.21-pre4-ac4. So I'd have to say that overclocking is still very viable, and serving me quite well. The whole point to me was to put a system together for the express purpose of preparing for Doom 3. I accomplished that for a lot less money than I thought possible. I just hope they release the linux version at the same time as the windows version as promised! I don't agree with your argument about "compensating" for anything. It's a hobby. Some of us truly enjoy building a sweet system. Just like some people go crazy putting turbo's and lights and ground effects and lowering springs on their cars. If I put together a system for 700 bucks that's going to outperform a 2000 dollar store-bought system, and I'm set to play games for the next few years, What did I do wrong?
as long as I live, no freaking way. I went through a living hell with them over some ram. They sell this ram called "Expeditious Gamer". It looks like something fabulous. I read a few very positive reviews on hardware sites. Whether they are paying a fortune for false positive reviews, or cherry picking samples for reviewers, I have no idea. All I know is memtest for the first stick of pc2700 I got showed more errors than the early 90's era dumpster printer ram that the assholes at computer shows sold. And that was at pc2100 speed because the ram refused to run at pc2700. I figured it might be a fluke and tried a second stick and it actually tested WORSE than the first stick. It was more than a little interesting that the ram comes with copper heat spreaders installed with stickers over the links that say your warantee will be voided if you remove those stickers. It's obviously so you won't remove the heat spreaders so you can see what kind of ram it actually is. After a ton of phonecalls that were never answered, and emails that were never replied too, I ended up sending them a bunch of faxes. I got my RMA numbers, but was still charged a restocking fee. So in the end, I was out 20 bucks and had absolutely nothing to show for it. If you don't believe me, try reading the reviews for this "company" here:
These guys are consumate rip-off artists. Do not trust them. Also, seriously doubt the quality and ethics of ANY company that gives ANY product of theirs a positive review. There is a lot of money changing hands for positive reviews. I hope this helps someone. Read some of those reviews. Read how they have seriously fucked a lot of people out of a lot of money. After you get screwed, order from a REAL company like newegg.com or mwave.com that actually cares about their customers. In closing, let me state emphatically that you are OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND if you order anything from these bastards. Thank you.
I recently replaced a 6 disk raid 10 setup with one wd800jb special edition. The speeds are nearly identical. The scsi raid was great for letting 30 different disk intensive processes access it at the same time with little to no slowdown. I can't get away with the same amount of crap hitting the wd800jb at the same time. For a personal workstation, I no longer see the point in running scsi. As a previous bigtime SCSI bigot, I've seen the light. IDE has grown up as far as I'm concerned.
vicious ~ # hdparm -t/dev/hde
/dev/hde:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.61 seconds = 39.75 MB/sec
Blink was around like, two years in the scene before they "sold out" so to speak. Before they started showing up as guest VJ's on mtv. A lot of the people that don't like Blink don't like them for the same reason. They are just one of 230498293087 billion bands that sound exactly like Less Than Jake. If you never liked Less Than Jake to begin with, why like 230498293087 billion bands that sound just like them? That and a lot of people think "type of music" when they hear the word "punk". They don't think "lifestyle" or "scene". Scenesters are annoying no matter what scene they are trying their hardest to fit into.:)
True, but that's just smart if you ask me. Website hosting is a great value add, but there are plenty of people out there doing it. Weather reports would be cool, but then they'd be just like everybody else using the same TAF's and weather observations to deliver the same information. Stock quotes would also be nice, but most people usually have a place they get those if they are into that type of thing. Google has built their incredible services on the concept of searching, and less intrusive marketing. That's probably why everybody I know uses google for searching, and is abandoning the traditional oldschool search engines in droves. Bloggers are a perfect fit with everything else googles has going for it. They don't offer everything yahoo has, but everything they do offer is better than what yahoo has. I doubt yahoo or anybody else will every catch up. Both Google and Yahoo are huge success stories for open source in the enterprise as Google uses Linux for servers, and Yahoo uses FreeBSD.:)
I hope this works out for the good.
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Google buys Pyra Labs
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· Score: 3, Interesting
It would be nice if the overall impact of this is more even more people participating because of the google tie-in. It would be very very nice if it got so big that all kinds of news that our mostly corporate influenced media didn't report on got out and about and all around. I hope this turns into one very huge good thing.
I know you were joking, but I like to bind the left hand home position typing keys like this:
a) depends on game. duck, zoom, grappling hook, etc.
s) strafe left d) walk backwards f) strafe right
Then I make the space bar jump, so it's under my thumb. I may bind some keys around those home position keys to do other things. The point being, you can always find your keys in the dark by touch, and since you use the same keys for you left hand to type with, it feels perfectly natural to use them in this way. Aim, walk, shoot, and switch weapon stay on the mouse. That way if I need to light up a cigarette, take a sip of a drink, scratch my ass, etc. I don't have to stop playing to do this with my left hand.I only give up a few things for a short amount of time. Comes in handy! (pun intended)
Speaking of reading comprehension skills, at what point did I claim that you called me anything? I said some people, refering to the type of clueless idiots you mentioned. If anything, I was adding to what you said! Perhaps next time you want to defend one of your prior posts, you can read what was said a little better, and actually post with your name instead of assuming anybody would believe that some AC accidentally found your posting and felt moved to comment. How does that sound?
"insert sub tracker with variables number 5 and value bob"
POW!
Your sub is complete.
"Insert sub data dumper" "Tune line 5" "Change value return to exit"
As a coder, imagine the possibilities. I guarantee A system could be designed that could destroy the speed at which a typical coder can hunt down things to cut and paste and tweak.
And sometimes people are really thin skinned and call something a "sarcastic troll" that isn't. Lighten up! The fate of the free will doesn't depend on my kindhearted jab at someone that didn't get a joke. I do agree with your logic on the "reflex to help", but for christ sakes. The post had already been modded +5 funny. And as he stated in his post, someone else had already suggested the exact same thing. So rather than assume it was a "help reflex", assume it was a typical "me too" and "I'll feel superior if I make a huge point" type posting, like it was.:)
Cartoon network got me hooked on cowboy bebop. Everybody I know think's it's absolutely amazing and has gotten some, or at least stays up to watch the show. What some people don't get about anime is, it's a great way to put a great idea in front of people for a lot less money than making a live action dealio. You get that huge screen feel with paper and ink. I saw a copy of the non-import japanese version of the Cowboy Bebop movie go for 500 bucks on eBay a while ago.
Dude, I totally agree with you on IBM keyboards. I think they subcontract them now, but they are still up there with top of the line keytronics keyboards. Right now I'm using an Active Response something or other. It's perfect. Not too much effort to press the keys, perfect feel, and hardly any noise at all. I like a keyboard I can fly on that doesn't make a bunch of noise. The old IBM keyboards were kinda loud, but you could use one to beat everyone in marketing to death and it would still work great after cleaning off all the blood and hair.
A keyboard with completely blank keys. Sure pissed of co-workers wanting to borrow my system, which was the problem and the point. It took a few hours with some 200 grit sandpaper. I even sanded off the little home key nubbies.:) I'd have to mentally remember "ok, pink goes on key next to capslock, skip two from left pointer, put right pointer there".
There is a concept known as "suspension of disbelief" that is necessary sometimes when finding the humor in things. I use mine to switch desktops instead of the CTRL+arrowkey dealio.
that turns the microphone I use for voice pattern recognition, login, and entering commands in a simple, easy to use voice command structure. Maybe some sort of bastard child of the keyboard built for one hand specifically for the types of games that benefit from a bunch of extra programmable keys.
But Seriously, I agree with most of what The Man has to say from a purely (owning the network and having to deal with all the bullshit) perspective. I'm all for anything that's going to mean that I don't have to waste a considerable amount of time writting/revamping scripts to look for the latest file sharing software. A few places I've been already have strong stances on this stuff because it costs a company a SHITLOAD of money for bandwidth to support the 15 girls in customer service, 10 guys in tech support, and ALL the guys in admin that are downloading 30 gigs of movies, mp3s, and warez a day. My opinion is, what happens out of work is out of work. Do that shit at home. Hell, I don't care if you bring a cd you burned at home to work with your 200 alan jackson songs on it. Just don't create work and trouble for me. Stick to playing solitaire and minesweeper and all the other important things you do on your wintel machines. Save the bandwidth for important things like first person shooters.
I'm totally going to gate somewhere I can steal a g'ould mothership to fly back. Then I'll hand out weapons and fly around in a deathglider. No guns. Sheesh. What's this world coming too.
sure have, and it works. I just hate having to turn my goodies down in games just for music. Even with mpg123 -z *mp3 reniced, I still have to turn some stuff down. I'd rather not have to bother. Attempts to renice wine with kazaa-lite makes it blow up. Both of these are non-issues with a dual proc system. I used to be able to run kazaa, listen to music, run a dedicated UT server and quake3 rails only server, and still open up either game and play. This was with dual pent III 1ghz, and 512mb of ram on a tyan s1836dluan. I had a raid 10 with 6 9gig UW scsi's hooked up to a megaraid ultraGT 3 channel card with 128mb of cache. It was a serious stump puller. Is my current overclocked athlon system faster? Good god yes. Can I have a chitload of heavy processes open at the same time? No way. I'm also missing how you could have a ton of things accessing the raid at the same time and it didn't seem to care. My wd800jb has a heart attack if I'm doing too many things at the same time. If I'm doing one thing at a time though, it's almost as fast as the raid was. I'm quite impressed with the jb series of drives from western digital. My workaround for music right now is to burn mp3's to cd as regular audio tracks, then use the button on the cdrom drive to play them through the cable that connects it to the soundcard. Uses 0 resources. It's also kinda neat to have a cd labeled "ut music" and "quake3 music". My "Castle Wolfenstein Mix" has lots of heavy german industrial stuff on it. : )
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I find it interesting that mack@ocaddiction.com
is the person that submitted this story. Makes you
wonder what ocaddiction gets out of it. I find it
interesting that ocaddiction appears to have a lot
of very positive gushing reviews of ocsystem
products, including claiming they are using
the "Expeditious Gamer" line of ram in some of
their test systems. I "personally" would take about
anything that ocaddiction has to say about hardware
with a grain of salt at this point. YMMV
I bought an athlon thoroughbred B 1700+ almost a
month ago for 49 bucks shipped to my door. By
increasing the voltage from the stock 1.5 to 1.7,
I was able to increase the bus from 133 to 174
and the multiplier to 12. That gives me a fsb of
348 with both my memory (kingmax pc2700 TinyBGA)
and my processor so they are running the same speed
on my Epox 8k5a2+. I'm overclocking my pci bus, but
only to about 34-35 at 174, so practically not
at all. With a processor speed of 2088 at that
fsb, I essentially can outperform an athlon 2600+
and nearly match the 2700+'s performance. For
cooling I'm using a thermalright slk-800 heatsink
with a 80mm to 120mm adapter, and an AOC(evercool)
30db 80fpm 120mm aluminum fan. I have arctic
silver 3 heatsink compound very thinly spread
between the heatsink and the processor. It's a
very very silent setup. At idle lm_sensors shows
38c. Under very heavy load, I might hit 44c, but
usually never see anything much higher than 41c.
So lets add that up:
one tube arctic silver: 7 bucks
one slk-800: 35 bucks
AOC 120mm aluminum fan: 12 bucks
Athlon XP 1700+ tbredB: 49 bucks
According to pricewatch...
One Athlon XP 2700+: 270
With my Geforce3 ti500 (ebay, 70 bucks)
overclocked to 260/540 with a thermaltake cooler
upgrade and the rest of my rig, I'm pulling well
over 200 fps at 1280 by 1024 with every goodie
pumped up the whole way on quake3. ut2003 looks
and performs flawlessly. I'm not really worried
about Doom 3 at all. Also, this is completely on
Gentoo 1.4rc2. Using nvidia's latest drivers.
It's been running like this for 2 weeks with no
problems, failures, anything. I'm using kernel
2.4.21-pre4-ac4. So I'd have to say that
overclocking is still very viable, and serving me
quite well. The whole point to me was to put a
system together for the express purpose of
preparing for Doom 3. I accomplished that for a
lot less money than I thought possible. I just
hope they release the linux version at the same
time as the windows version as promised! I don't
agree with your argument about "compensating" for
anything. It's a hobby. Some of us truly enjoy
building a sweet system. Just like some people
go crazy putting turbo's and lights and ground
effects and lowering springs on their cars. If I
put together a system for 700 bucks that's going
to outperform a 2000 dollar store-bought system,
and I'm set to play games for the next few
years, What did I do wrong?
:)
Sorry I was a dick about it. I'll be nicer in
the future! I'm sure as mature adults we can
all get along or something!
You need to pay better attention to gaim dickhead!
as long as I live, no freaking way. I went through
a living hell with them over some ram. They sell
this ram called "Expeditious Gamer". It looks like
something fabulous. I read a few very positive
reviews on hardware sites. Whether they are paying
a fortune for false positive reviews, or cherry
picking samples for reviewers, I have no idea. All
I know is memtest for the first stick of pc2700 I
got showed more errors than the early 90's era
dumpster printer ram that the assholes at computer
shows sold. And that was at pc2100 speed because
the ram refused to run at pc2700. I figured it
might be a fluke and tried a second stick and
it actually tested WORSE than the first stick.
It was more than a little interesting that the
ram comes with copper heat spreaders installed
with stickers over the links that say your
warantee will be voided if you remove those
stickers. It's obviously so you won't remove
the heat spreaders so you can see what kind of
ram it actually is. After a ton of phonecalls that
were never answered, and emails that were never
replied too, I ended up sending them a bunch of
faxes. I got my RMA numbers, but was still charged
a restocking fee. So in the end, I was out 20
bucks and had absolutely nothing to show for it.
If you don't believe me, try reading the reviews
for this "company" here:
OCSystem's 3.77 rating out of 10
These guys are consumate rip-off artists. Do not
trust them. Also, seriously doubt the quality and
ethics of ANY company that gives ANY product of
theirs a positive review. There is a lot of
money changing hands for positive reviews.
I hope this helps someone. Read some of those
reviews. Read how they have seriously fucked a
lot of people out of a lot of money. After you
get screwed, order from a REAL company like
newegg.com or mwave.com that actually cares about
their customers. In closing, let me state
emphatically that you are OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND
if you order anything from these bastards.
Thank you.
I recently replaced a 6 disk raid 10 setup with one
/dev/hde
/dev/hde:
wd800jb special edition. The speeds are nearly
identical. The scsi raid was great for letting 30
different disk intensive processes access it at the
same time with little to no slowdown. I can't get
away with the same amount of crap hitting the
wd800jb at the same time. For a personal
workstation, I no longer see the point in running
scsi. As a previous bigtime SCSI bigot, I've seen
the light. IDE has grown up as far as I'm
concerned.
vicious ~ # hdparm -t
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.61 seconds = 39.75 MB/sec
It still amazes me that's one disk.
Blink was around like, two years in the scene before :)
they "sold out" so to speak. Before they started
showing up as guest VJ's on mtv. A lot of the people
that don't like Blink don't like them for the same
reason. They are just one of 230498293087 billion
bands that sound exactly like Less Than Jake. If
you never liked Less Than Jake to begin with, why
like 230498293087 billion bands that sound just like
them? That and a lot of people think "type of music"
when they hear the word "punk". They don't think
"lifestyle" or "scene". Scenesters are annoying no
matter what scene they are trying their hardest
to fit into.
True, but that's just smart if you ask me. Website :)
hosting is a great value add, but there are plenty
of people out there doing it. Weather reports would
be cool, but then they'd be just like everybody else
using the same TAF's and weather observations to
deliver the same information. Stock quotes would
also be nice, but most people usually have a place
they get those if they are into that type of thing.
Google has built their incredible services on the
concept of searching, and less intrusive marketing.
That's probably why everybody I know uses google
for searching, and is abandoning the traditional
oldschool search engines in droves. Bloggers are
a perfect fit with everything else googles has
going for it. They don't offer everything yahoo
has, but everything they do offer is better than
what yahoo has. I doubt yahoo or anybody else will
every catch up. Both Google and Yahoo are huge
success stories for open source in the enterprise
as Google uses Linux for servers, and Yahoo uses
FreeBSD.
It would be nice if the overall impact of this is
more even more people participating because of the
google tie-in. It would be very very nice if it got
so big that all kinds of news that our mostly
corporate influenced media didn't report on got out
and about and all around. I hope this turns into
one very huge good thing.
Do you remember where that quote is from?
It reminds me of another good one:
Arrogance is compensation for a lack of intelligence.
that I think was the same person, but I can't seem
to find either of those quotes.
:)
I know you were joking, but I like to bind the
left hand home position typing keys like this:
a) depends on game. duck, zoom, grappling hook, etc.
s) strafe left d) walk backwards f) strafe right
Then I make the space bar jump, so it's under
my thumb. I may bind some keys around those home
position keys to do other things. The point being,
you can always find your keys in the dark by
touch, and since you use the same keys for you
left hand to type with, it feels perfectly natural
to use them in this way. Aim, walk, shoot, and
switch weapon stay on the mouse. That way if I
need to light up a cigarette, take a sip of a
drink, scratch my ass, etc. I don't have to stop
playing to do this with my left hand.I only give
up a few things for a short amount of time. Comes in
handy! (pun intended)
Speaking of reading comprehension skills, at what
point did I claim that you called me anything?
I said some people, refering to the type of clueless
idiots you mentioned. If anything, I was adding to
what you said! Perhaps next time you want to defend
one of your prior posts, you can read what was said
a little better, and actually post with your name
instead of assuming anybody would believe that some
AC accidentally found your posting and felt moved
to comment. How does that sound?
command structure
"start perl script"
"include blah blah and blah"
"insert sub tracker with variables number 5 and
value bob"
POW!
Your sub is complete.
"Insert sub data dumper"
"Tune line 5"
"Change value return to exit"
As a coder, imagine the possibilities. I guarantee
A system could be designed that could destroy the
speed at which a typical coder can hunt down
things to cut and paste and tweak.
And sometimes people are really thin skinned and :)
call something a "sarcastic troll" that isn't.
Lighten up! The fate of the free will doesn't
depend on my kindhearted jab at someone that
didn't get a joke. I do agree with your logic on
the "reflex to help", but for christ sakes. The
post had already been modded +5 funny. And as he
stated in his post, someone else had already
suggested the exact same thing. So rather than
assume it was a "help reflex", assume it was a
typical "me too" and "I'll feel superior if I
make a huge point" type posting, like it was.
"Hey baby, why don't you come over and watch some
bebop with me"
works a lot better than the old monteray jack
chicken quesadilla gambit taco bell seems to think
you should try based on their recent commercial.
Cartoon network got me hooked on cowboy bebop.
Everybody I know think's it's absolutely amazing
and has gotten some, or at least stays up to watch
the show. What some people don't get about anime
is, it's a great way to put a great idea in front
of people for a lot less money than making a live
action dealio. You get that huge screen feel with
paper and ink. I saw a copy of the non-import
japanese version of the Cowboy Bebop movie go for
500 bucks on eBay a while ago.
Me: Why did the chicken cross the road?
You: Why would a chicken cross a road to begin with?
As another poster said, you could cook the chicken
and make hotwings, or perhaps a good soup.
Me: No man, It's a joke. You know? Something that's
supposed to be funny?
You: What's a joke? Everything is supposed to be
serious on slashdot. Now about that chicken.....
Dude, I totally agree with you on IBM keyboards.
I think they subcontract them now, but they are
still up there with top of the line keytronics
keyboards. Right now I'm using an Active Response
something or other. It's perfect. Not too much
effort to press the keys, perfect feel, and hardly
any noise at all. I like a keyboard I can fly on
that doesn't make a bunch of noise. The old IBM
keyboards were kinda loud, but you could use one
to beat everyone in marketing to death and it would
still work great after cleaning off all the blood
and hair.
A keyboard with completely blank keys. Sure pissed :) I'd have to mentally
of co-workers wanting to borrow my system, which
was the problem and the point. It took a few hours
with some 200 grit sandpaper. I even sanded off the
little home key nubbies.
remember "ok, pink goes on key next to capslock,
skip two from left pointer, put right pointer there".
There is a concept known as "suspension of disbelief"
that is necessary sometimes when finding the humor
in things. I use mine to switch desktops instead of
the CTRL+arrowkey dealio.
And all my PC keyboards waste plastic on these little windows looking keys next to alt that seem to do nothing in linux.
One key,
that turns the microphone I use for voice pattern recognition, login, and entering commands in a
simple, easy to use voice command structure. Maybe
some sort of bastard child of the keyboard built
for one hand specifically for the types of games
that benefit from a bunch of extra programmable
keys.
But Seriously, I agree with most of what The Man
has to say from a purely (owning the network
and having to deal with all the bullshit)
perspective. I'm all for anything that's going
to mean that I don't have to waste a considerable
amount of time writting/revamping scripts to look
for the latest file sharing software. A few places
I've been already have strong stances on this stuff
because it costs a company a SHITLOAD of money for
bandwidth to support the 15 girls in customer
service, 10 guys in tech support, and ALL the guys
in admin that are downloading 30 gigs of movies,
mp3s, and warez a day. My opinion is, what happens
out of work is out of work. Do that shit at home.
Hell, I don't care if you bring a cd you burned
at home to work with your 200 alan jackson songs
on it. Just don't create work and trouble for me.
Stick to playing solitaire and minesweeper and all
the other important things you do on your wintel
machines. Save the bandwidth for important things
like first person shooters.
I'm totally going to find the StarGate first!
I'm totally going to gate somewhere I can steal
a g'ould mothership to fly back. Then I'll hand
out weapons and fly around in a deathglider. No
guns. Sheesh. What's this world coming too.
sure have, and it works. I just hate having to turn
my goodies down in games just for music. Even with
mpg123 -z *mp3 reniced, I still have to turn some
stuff down. I'd rather not have to bother.
Attempts to renice wine with kazaa-lite makes it
blow up. Both of these are non-issues with a dual
proc system. I used to be able to run kazaa,
listen to music, run a dedicated UT server and
quake3 rails only server, and still open up either
game and play. This was with dual pent III 1ghz,
and 512mb of ram on a tyan s1836dluan. I had a
raid 10 with 6 9gig UW scsi's hooked up to a
megaraid ultraGT 3 channel card with 128mb of
cache. It was a serious stump puller. Is my
current overclocked athlon system faster? Good god
yes. Can I have a chitload of heavy processes open
at the same time? No way. I'm also missing how
you could have a ton of things accessing the
raid at the same time and it didn't seem to care.
My wd800jb has a heart attack if I'm doing too
many things at the same time. If I'm doing one
thing at a time though, it's almost as fast as
the raid was. I'm quite impressed with the jb
series of drives from western digital. My
workaround for music right now is to burn mp3's
to cd as regular audio tracks, then use the button
on the cdrom drive to play them through the cable
that connects it to the soundcard. Uses 0
resources. It's also kinda neat to have a cd
labeled "ut music" and "quake3 music". My
"Castle Wolfenstein Mix" has lots of heavy
german industrial stuff on it. : )