at $200us windows shouldnt crash. I think that accountability is a good idea. After all, if your fridge dies every 2-5 hours and spoils the food in it, it would be unquestionable that sueing would quickly ensue. m$ to makes a product which can kill a db / spreadsheet / doc every 2-5 hours and it is ok. Now some if this is normal, but a lot of it is laziness and lack of testing. And, on top of that, it doesnt matter what you use it for, esp since a quake player probably didnt get the corprate discount that a corp. aquired.
I did not say that it was not important, but it was not innovative. It was not a new idea. Only the application (mapping) of a prior new idea (that the earth was a finite spherical area).
-CrackElf
Eh? and where is the organ cloning, the genetic disease cures, and all of the other stuff? That's like saying that the mapping of the earth was an innovation. No, the innovation was discovering that the freaking thing was not flat years before. That opened up the ability to do all of the other stuff. Now, it seems to me (see note 1) that this is just another piece in the puzzle, and the great things are yet to be done.
-CrackElf
a jit compiler is just a gimmick, i saw benchmarks in the computer shopper (confirmed by someone doing a thesis related to efficiency / speed in java) that showed that if you take the benchmark from the begriming of the jit compiler's run, not from the begriming of the program's execution after the jit compiler has ended, the times are about the same in your average program (not iterative intensive programs)
-CrackElf
Ok, well, let me use a better example then. I began using java with powerj. It will drop a lot of code in for you and the code is very inefficient, for instance it uses strings instead of string buffers in an append to create a string situation. Since a string re-creates every time, the overhead is significantly different. I assume ( note: i have not looked at compiled JSP's) that some of the things that JSP's do are equally as inefficient. (and i have read a confirmation of that somewhere too, but that was 2 years or so ago, and i dont rem the source:)
-CrackElf
Yes, that is true, but, because of the 'compiling' in which some canned code is used, rather than instance specific code, you get a product that is marginally less efficient. Of course it is possible to prog a servlet badly, and create more overhead.
Like, when you compile c++ into machine language, the compiler is replacing your commands with a series of machine language commands. The series of commands is not as efficient and fast as programming in assembly even though they are all technically 'machine language' once compiled.
Errr, I have been coding in java for the last 2.5 yrs, and I have to say, java has some advantages, but it has some pretty serious drawbacks as well:
anytime use java, you loose speed. JSP's are pretty robust, but slower than pure servlets (which are also robust), applets (over the net) tend to be slow, because it takes an age and then some to download a medium sized applet, and EJB's (the last time I used them) were less than reliable.
the advantages of the design, implementation, deployment, and reusability / consistency are all valid.
-CrackElf
not really, because the prices are manipulated so high that if they mark products 50% off they still make a profit. With the kind of $ big business is in, charging a few dollars less to compete with online business is not that big of a deal. The place where they get hurt is in overhead... of course online stores have to buy bandwidth...
Quoth I, from a freind named wolf who heard it from... oh, perhaps it is just an urban legend, but the point is still valid:
the price of a product should not be based on the cost to manufacture, but rather, should be based on what the market can bear.
to govern electronic transactions? It seems to me that the cost of enforcing such a tax would exceed the revenue gained. A much more viable solution would be to cut out the tax breaks and loopholes that the top 5% of the population have.
-CrackElf
"Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:
1.Material that is ruled unlawful in the jurisdiction of the originating server (Such as child pornography in the case of our flagship Sealand datacenter). HavenCo fully complies with content restrictions on a jurisdiction by jurisdiction basis, and does not allow content illegal in a given country to be hosted on servers at HavenCo facilities within that specific country." http://www.havenco.com/legal/aup.html, HavenCo Ltd.; 1 January 2001 (quoted today, March 12, 2k+1)
This seems to me to say that they will abide by copywright laws/etc. of other countries. Thus makeing the whole thing less than realistic in the first place
-CrackElf
Interestingly enough, it was deemed that if a person makes a photocopy of a copyrighted material at k*'s the person is responsible, and if a worker did it for them the company (k*'s) was responsible. It was deemed in court that the person copying was the responsible party.
I sort of agree with a little bit of a different slant. The only excuse for an extreme act (by extreme, I mean breaking the law) is success. If you change the system for the better, then it was justified. If you expose internal documents that show the truth that a corp or gov was hiding, and the masses are informed, then it was justified. If a 'hack' only annoys / angers the public and the system, then the opposite effect is generated. The ends justify the means, but only if the right ends are met.
-CrackElf
And the corps dont like it. Well, when they cut off ppl's rights, or what they perceive as their rights, then ppl will ignore them. I mean really, are the big companies going to go into every computer in the world and try to limit what is on them. No. It is too late to build the tech with limitations in it. We already know how to encode and transport sound, text, and video. We have the technology. Realistically, they cannot stop what is out there, only slow it. Sure they can shut down napster, they can kill sites, but can they kill all of the ftp's? can they really stop it? No, they can limit it. Make it a little harder to get. They can not stop it.
IMHO the laws are stupid and take our rights away in the courtroom, but in the real world it does not matter if they pass laws now. Except maybe to corporations that want to capitalize on the popularity of these things. Maybe if they had defined the limits before the digitizing and transport tech was out there. But it is like building a dam after the entire plain is flooded already. What are you going to do? Pump the water back out?
-CrackElf
did they not just spin off? I know that it is
a little more complicated than that, but, really,
if it were profitable, they could have
made an effort to try and spin it off or split
the division and sell it.
just my 2
-CrackElf
Disclaimer: not a suit, just a code grunt. I
probably have no clue concerning that which
I am talking about, but that never stopped
other ppl from having opinions.
Once I would have agreed with that, but I have
seen some very bad sites.
eg: I have seen a (dynamically created) page
that showed the users confidential information
(even stuff that the user should not see, like
the 'very angry' flag) in the source. It
was a utilities company.
-CrackElf
I mean, really, how many ppl that downloaded
thought to themselves, wow, I am amazed that
this isn't copyrighted. Now, I am into punk
(not the canned shit, but the stuff you get on
a home burned cd or Maxell Tape cassette) so
most of the stuff that I have purchased goes
directly to the artist.
So I dont use Napster, never have. (dont get me
wrong, I have ripped most of my cd's, and before
i heard about napster) I have even downloaded
some hard to find songs via ftp.
I personally thought that napster would get shut
down long before. If it had been called
Sound Warez Unlimited, how long would it
have lasted? Not seeing great reason for
outrage here. I dont agree with the system,
but when caught doing something illegal, it is
pretty much an accepted thing that the authorities
will not be happy.
"What?"
"I have been shoplifting from this store for years."
"You are giving me a warning?"
"How dare you?"
what kind of energy consumption does it have?
they mentioned mounting it on vehicles...
also: did the military test it on soldiers?
Repel crowds ? in order to penatrate to the
second row, wouldnt it have to penetrate the
ppl in front(and thereby thier organs? and
what about soft membranes like eyballs...
did you ever see indiana jones and the lost
arc? I do not want the gov to have things
that can melt my eyeballs. I like my eyeballs.
This is not a weapon for war.
They do not have enough range. They are
designed for use them against a civilian
population.
Right, if time warner said: "AOl is an integral
part of time warner" and made the scheduling
accessible only through AOL web, and increased
its price 400%, then the situations would
be comparable. Because, then, it would be using
its cable service to dominate the isp market.
-CrackElf
Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. My opionions are my own.
Not/.'s. Not yours. Mine. All mine. You can have
them too. But I am responsible for the version
that resides with me.
Ehh? its down to 100? when i was at a store
for some cable or something, i contemplated
getting it (to keep up to date, know thy enemy,
and all that, and it was not avialable at work:)
it was far over 100.
-CrackElf
Slashdot Mirror
I said
if x then y
if x is false than any value of
y renders the statement true
NOT if !x then !y
Logic 101
take it.
learn.
-CrackElf
at $200us windows shouldnt crash. I think that accountability is a good idea. After all, if your fridge dies every 2-5 hours and spoils the food in it, it would be unquestionable that sueing would quickly ensue. m$ to makes a product which can kill a db / spreadsheet / doc every 2-5 hours and it is ok. Now some if this is normal, but a lot of it is laziness and lack of testing. And, on top of that, it doesnt matter what you use it for, esp since a quake player probably didnt get the corprate discount that a corp. aquired.
-CrackElf
I did not say that it was not important, but it was not innovative. It was not a new idea. Only the application (mapping) of a prior new idea (that the earth was a finite spherical area).
-CrackElf
Eh? and where is the organ cloning, the genetic disease cures, and all of the other stuff? That's like saying that the mapping of the earth was an innovation. No, the innovation was discovering that the freaking thing was not flat years before. That opened up the ability to do all of the other stuff. Now, it seems to me (see note 1) that this is just another piece in the puzzle, and the great things are yet to be done.
-CrackElf
note 1: (IANAB)
Point. I conceed. :)
-CrackElf
a jit compiler is just a gimmick, i saw benchmarks in the computer shopper (confirmed by someone doing a thesis related to efficiency / speed in java) that showed that if you take the benchmark from the begriming of the jit compiler's run, not from the begriming of the program's execution after the jit compiler has ended, the times are about the same in your average program (not iterative intensive programs)
-CrackElf
Ok, well, let me use a better example then. I began using java with powerj. It will drop a lot of code in for you and the code is very inefficient, for instance it uses strings instead of string buffers in an append to create a string situation. Since a string re-creates every time, the overhead is significantly different. I assume ( note: i have not looked at compiled JSP's) that some of the things that JSP's do are equally as inefficient. (and i have read a confirmation of that somewhere too, but that was 2 years or so ago, and i dont rem the source:)
-CrackElf
Yes, that is true, but, because of the 'compiling' in which some canned code is used, rather than instance specific code, you get a product that is marginally less efficient. Of course it is possible to prog a servlet badly, and create more overhead.
Like, when you compile c++ into machine language, the compiler is replacing your commands with a series of machine language commands. The series of commands is not as efficient and fast as programming in assembly even though they are all technically 'machine language' once compiled.
-CrackElf
Errr, I have been coding in java for the last 2.5 yrs, and I have to say, java has some advantages, but it has some pretty serious drawbacks as well:
anytime use java, you loose speed. JSP's are pretty robust, but slower than pure servlets (which are also robust), applets (over the net) tend to be slow, because it takes an age and then some to download a medium sized applet, and EJB's (the last time I used them) were less than reliable.
the advantages of the design, implementation, deployment, and reusability / consistency are all valid.
-CrackElf
not really, because the prices are manipulated so high that if they mark products 50% off they still make a profit. With the kind of $ big business is in, charging a few dollars less to compete with online business is not that big of a deal. The place where they get hurt is in overhead ... of course online stores have to buy bandwidth...
... oh, perhaps it is just an urban legend, but the point is still valid:
Quoth I, from a freind named wolf who heard it from
the price of a product should not be based on the cost to manufacture, but rather, should be based on what the market can bear.
-CrackElf
to govern electronic transactions? It seems to me that the cost of enforcing such a tax would exceed the revenue gained. A much more viable solution would be to cut out the tax breaks and loopholes that the top 5% of the population have.
-CrackElf
Yep, you are right, I realized that after I posted. Sorry.
-CrackElf
Ahh, so, someone else noticed it :)
-CrackElf
they will offer '1984' and such on these things.
-CrackElf
"Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:
/etc. of other countries. Thus makeing the whole thing less than realistic in the first place
1.Material that is ruled unlawful in the jurisdiction of the originating server (Such as child pornography in the case of our flagship Sealand datacenter). HavenCo fully complies with content restrictions on a jurisdiction by jurisdiction basis, and does not allow content illegal in a given country to be hosted on servers at HavenCo facilities within that specific country." http://www.havenco.com/legal/aup.html, HavenCo Ltd.; 1 January 2001 (quoted today, March 12, 2k+1)
This seems to me to say that they will abide by copywright laws
-CrackElf
Interestingly enough, it was deemed that if a person makes a photocopy of a copyrighted material at k*'s the person is responsible, and if a worker did it for them the company (k*'s) was responsible. It was deemed in court that the person copying was the responsible party.
-CrackElf
I sort of agree with a little bit of a different slant. The only excuse for an extreme act (by extreme, I mean breaking the law) is success. If you change the system for the better, then it was justified. If you expose internal documents that show the truth that a corp or gov was hiding, and the masses are informed, then it was justified. If a 'hack' only annoys / angers the public and the system, then the opposite effect is generated. The ends justify the means, but only if the right ends are met.
-CrackElf
And the corps dont like it. Well, when they cut off ppl's rights, or what they perceive as their rights, then ppl will ignore them. I mean really, are the big companies going to go into every computer in the world and try to limit what is on them. No. It is too late to build the tech with limitations in it. We already know how to encode and transport sound, text, and video. We have the technology. Realistically, they cannot stop what is out there, only slow it. Sure they can shut down napster, they can kill sites, but can they kill all of the ftp's? can they really stop it? No, they can limit it. Make it a little harder to get. They can not stop it.
IMHO the laws are stupid and take our rights away in the courtroom, but in the real world it does not matter if they pass laws now. Except maybe to corporations that want to capitalize on the popularity of these things. Maybe if they had defined the limits before the digitizing and transport tech was out there. But it is like building a dam after the entire plain is flooded already. What are you going to do? Pump the water back out?
-CrackElf
did they not just spin off? I know that it is
a little more complicated than that, but, really,
if it were profitable, they could have
made an effort to try and spin it off or split
the division and sell it.
just my 2
-CrackElf
Disclaimer: not a suit, just a code grunt. I
probably have no clue concerning that which
I am talking about, but that never stopped
other ppl from having opinions.
Once I would have agreed with that, but I have
seen some very bad sites.
eg: I have seen a (dynamically created) page
that showed the users confidential information
(even stuff that the user should not see, like
the 'very angry' flag) in the source. It
was a utilities company.
-CrackElf
I mean, really, how many ppl that downloaded
thought to themselves, wow, I am amazed that
this isn't copyrighted. Now, I am into punk
(not the canned shit, but the stuff you get on
a home burned cd or Maxell Tape cassette) so
most of the stuff that I have purchased goes
directly to the artist.
So I dont use Napster, never have. (dont get me
wrong, I have ripped most of my cd's, and before
i heard about napster) I have even downloaded
some hard to find songs via ftp.
I personally thought that napster would get shut
down long before. If it had been called
Sound Warez Unlimited, how long would it
have lasted? Not seeing great reason for
outrage here. I dont agree with the system,
but when caught doing something illegal, it is
pretty much an accepted thing that the authorities
will not be happy.
"What?"
"I have been shoplifting from this store for years."
"You are giving me a warning?"
"How dare you?"
-CrackElf
what kind of energy consumption does it have? ...
...
they mentioned mounting it on vehicles
also: did the military test it on soldiers?
Repel crowds ? in order to penatrate to the
second row, wouldnt it have to penetrate the
ppl in front(and thereby thier organs? and
what about soft membranes like eyballs
did you ever see indiana jones and the lost
arc? I do not want the gov to have things
that can melt my eyeballs. I like my eyeballs.
This is not a weapon for war.
They do not have enough range. They are
designed for use them against a civilian
population.
-CrackElf
and some models come with such popular settings as:
'reheat'
'popcorn'
'incinerate new kids CD'
-CrackElf
Right, if time warner said: "AOl is an integral
/.'s. Not yours. Mine. All mine. You can have
part of time warner" and made the scheduling
accessible only through AOL web, and increased
its price 400%, then the situations would
be comparable. Because, then, it would be using
its cable service to dominate the isp market.
-CrackElf
Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. My opionions are my own.
Not
them too. But I am responsible for the version
that resides with me.
Ehh? its down to 100? when i was at a store
for some cable or something, i contemplated
getting it (to keep up to date, know thy enemy,
and all that, and it was not avialable at work:)
it was far over 100.
-CrackElf