XP SP2 isn't an OS... It's an OS patrch. You can't compare a patch to an OS. Even so, XP even with SP2 has still been finding CRITICAL vulnerabilities right off the bat. In fact several critical vulnerabilities were found before SP2 even came out that SP2 doesn't protect you from. Plus, half the vulnerabilities that are reported to Microsoft even get patched or announced as being patched. Several security experts have complained openly and to Microsoft about reporting security holes that they don't fix until they are made public 8 months later. Taking into consideration holes reported, holes announced, holes patched and holes improperly patched, they still are the leader in 'unsecurity'.
As for OSX, well, the total of holes so far is about 1% of XP's in the last few years. I think they have a LONG way to go before catching Windows. And considering that the backend of the OS is a BSD variant, I doubt they will.
You assume less holes. Microsoft has not really proven that each version contains a significantly fewer number of holes. Given the same time frame as 2000, XP has proven to be equally flawed.
Also, keep in mind that they openly admitted that they stopped development halfway through to rewrite the entire OS and still attempted to make a deadline! That to me says that they had to cut corners on development and on testing and I'm willing to bet their are GAPING holes as a result.
Well a tax credit for products that will be freely available and better stimulate business and government growth could actually encourage lawmakers to put open source projects and applications at the forefront of adoption in schools, universities, government and military IT departments.
After all, if they are giving a tax credit, it would encourage them to adopt it to get their money out of it.
Uh huh. Comparison. And so they just look at those other number and go 'Hmm... our stats are off... lets raise them by... oh say, 5%". Wow. You must be right because you say so.
You Microsofties crack me up. No wonder your stuff sucks ass when you don't even realize what you yourselves are saying. Here's a hint, open the garage door a little earlier next time so you don't sit their huffing fumes all morning.
Inbreeding is calling for you. They want their poster child back.
Gee it takes stats from other sites to make sure their numbers aren't an exaggeration. Now how they hell do you suppose they do that? Man, you're getting more stupid by the minute.
And even though you are now an anonymous coward, I'll place good money on you being the same person who originally stated 90%. Hell they haven't even been 90% even on the Microsoft campus for about 2 years.
The propoganda machine is slowing, Microsoftie.
Doesn't matter anyway because nobody reads this far into a threead except trolls like yourself who have nothing better to do that masterbate to the family dog.
What does taking an average have to do with our argument, retard?
Yeah I didn't think you'd be able to figure it out on your own. Keep working on it. If you have a friend, call them and maybe they can help. Imaginary friends don't count.
Oh and I like the way the number changed from 90% to 80%. In the time of this posting, your stats lost 10%. Your accuracy is astounding.
Yep... quality of those figures. Now how do you suppose you take other numbers from other sites and come up with some sort of average... I understand this may take you a day or two to figure out so don't hurry. I wouldn't want one of the two brain cells you are rubbing together to blow a fuse.
Actually they state that the stats are a combination of their own stats and the stats of sites that tyhey monitor. You'd know this if you followed w3schools for the last 3 years and had a reading comprehension higher than the third grade. But I can understand if your point and click mentallity is taxed by all those two syllable words.
Actually if you read on through the site, you will also read that the stats are a cross sampling of sites... similar to the counter. But iunderstand your want to selectively read to prove your point and ignore all other data. That's the way you Microsofties are.
Only about 10% of people on the Microsoft campus in Redmond Washington are developers/IT Personnel. Everyone else is marketing, support, etc. 35% of computers on their campus still use an 800x600 screen resolution. There are an amazing number of users who are nt computer savvy.
So even if you said that ALL their developers don't even use their product, that's a powerful statement no matter how you cut it.
Yeah, this is a big one for me as well. I like being able to have the exact same setup on my Linux and Mac boxes as I do on my Windows box. Makes the surfing experience similar no matter what OS I am using.
Microsoft will realize this too late that people will adopt Firefox due to using it on other OS's as well so when forced onto a new OS, they will instantly grab Firefox.
Regular users don't care about any of that (and again, sheesh, IE has had popup blocking for YEARS).
And as I stated in the original post, users don't care about it DIRECTLY but care about the indirect affects that these things produce.
And yes, IE has had POPUP blocking you can purchase and popup blocking that they added in recently... both are highly ineffectual.
IE may have earned itself a bad repution, but keep in mind they still have around 90% marketshare...
IE doesn't even have a 90% marketshare on the Microsoft campus so I don't know how you can possibly say that; I actually worked as a web developer with Microsoft (as an external vendor) and internally, 8-11% of users run a Mozilla based browser. THIS IS IN MICROSOFT ITSELF! When I left over a year ago, it was around 11%.
So where you get that stat must be from someplace that has EXTREMELY slanted results with a very limited polling set. Either that or its just simply made up.
There is only one reason Firefox has gained marketshare...
People need a really good reason to use something other than what works well enough
People need several reasons. One isn't generally enough to cause people to change from something they are comfortable with and used to. You may think it is only one reason but it is a combinations of issues that have plagued their browser. Lack of CSS support, lack of W3C compliance, activeX vulnerabilities, vulnerabilities to the OS, spyware, viruses, browser hijacking, popups, lack of customization capabilities... the list goes on and on.
This is a combined effect of all their bad decisions they have made over the years and the emergence of a tool that just does it all better. And regardless of whether they actually fix all those mistakes, those users will not come back for a good long time as IE has earned itself a bad reputation.
Sure IE isn't dead yet but by not working with standards, by being overly invasive, by being integrated into the OS and several other mistakes that they REFUSE to correct, they are doing their best to kill it. It's like they are doing there best to ignore the public outcry while cramming something else down there throats.
Sure Joe Average user doesn't care about these things (at least not directly) but he does care about the indirect problems that these things incur. All he knows is that with Firefox, he doesn't get POPUPS, it lets him modify it to what he wants it to look and act like and it's simple easy and fun to use. Most users completely forget about IE until another applications forces them to open it and asks if they want it to be their default browser.
Now even universities, schools and businesses are installing Firefox and doing their best to remove all pointers to IE due to security risks. And once the end user becomes familiar with the brwser at work or school, they will be more likely to download it and install it at home.
There is a reason why some sites show Firefox usage as high as 30%; hell even internally at Microsoft, 8-11% of people use a Mozilla based browser (based on stats from exclusive third party vendors to Microsoft).
In this case, Microsoft is their own worst enemy and needs to modify their business strategy or else continue to lose market share in the browser.
does the community need to resort to using third-class promotional tactics with total downloads number?
*points at Microsoft* They started it FIRST!!
Would you prefer Firefox and Mozilla to pay for researchers to put out highly slanted reports instead? Which class would that be? First? Second? If you ask me, that's without class.
With PHP having OOP capabilities but with the vast majority of users still using procedural code, this was a must to not only get those developers coding to a standard but to also get them to upgrade to OOP and PHP5 in one fell swoop.
While I have been building MVC frameworks in PHP for awhile now for corporations, I'm still intrigued to see what Zend will provide. Will this be compiled into the engine? Are these C libraries or java API's that will handle the majority of these additional functionalities?
I'll probably download and play with it as soon as there is more info and documentation.
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XP SP2 isn't an OS... It's an OS patrch. You can't compare a patch to an OS. Even so, XP even with SP2 has still been finding CRITICAL vulnerabilities right off the bat. In fact several critical vulnerabilities were found before SP2 even came out that SP2 doesn't protect you from. Plus, half the vulnerabilities that are reported to Microsoft even get patched or announced as being patched. Several security experts have complained openly and to Microsoft about reporting security holes that they don't fix until they are made public 8 months later. Taking into consideration holes reported, holes announced, holes patched and holes improperly patched, they still are the leader in 'unsecurity'.
As for OSX, well, the total of holes so far is about 1% of XP's in the last few years. I think they have a LONG way to go before catching Windows. And considering that the backend of the OS is a BSD variant, I doubt they will.
You assume less holes. Microsoft has not really proven that each version contains a significantly fewer number of holes. Given the same time frame as 2000, XP has proven to be equally flawed.
Also, keep in mind that they openly admitted that they stopped development halfway through to rewrite the entire OS and still attempted to make a deadline! That to me says that they had to cut corners on development and on testing and I'm willing to bet their are GAPING holes as a result.
LOL. If you say so then it must be true. :)
Uh Huh... whatever helps you get to sleep at night.
Well a tax credit for products that will be freely available and better stimulate business and government growth could actually encourage lawmakers to put open source projects and applications at the forefront of adoption in schools, universities, government and military IT departments.
After all, if they are giving a tax credit, it would encourage them to adopt it to get their money out of it.
Uh huh. Comparison. And so they just look at those other number and go 'Hmm... our stats are off... lets raise them by... oh say, 5%". Wow. You must be right because you say so.
You Microsofties crack me up. No wonder your stuff sucks ass when you don't even realize what you yourselves are saying. Here's a hint, open the garage door a little earlier next time so you don't sit their huffing fumes all morning.
Inbreeding is calling for you. They want their poster child back.
Gee it takes stats from other sites to make sure their numbers aren't an exaggeration. Now how they hell do you suppose they do that? Man, you're getting more stupid by the minute.
And even though you are now an anonymous coward, I'll place good money on you being the same person who originally stated 90%. Hell they haven't even been 90% even on the Microsoft campus for about 2 years.
The propoganda machine is slowing, Microsoftie.
Doesn't matter anyway because nobody reads this far into a threead except trolls like yourself who have nothing better to do that masterbate to the family dog.
What does taking an average have to do with our argument, retard?
Yeah I didn't think you'd be able to figure it out on your own. Keep working on it. If you have a friend, call them and maybe they can help. Imaginary friends don't count.
Oh and I like the way the number changed from 90% to 80%. In the time of this posting, your stats lost 10%. Your accuracy is astounding.
Yep... quality of those figures. Now how do you suppose you take other numbers from other sites and come up with some sort of average... I understand this may take you a day or two to figure out so don't hurry. I wouldn't want one of the two brain cells you are rubbing together to blow a fuse.
Actually they state that the stats are a combination of their own stats and the stats of sites that tyhey monitor. You'd know this if you followed w3schools for the last 3 years and had a reading comprehension higher than the third grade. But I can understand if your point and click mentallity is taxed by all those two syllable words.
Actually if you read on through the site, you will also read that the stats are a cross sampling of sites... similar to the counter. But iunderstand your want to selectively read to prove your point and ignore all other data. That's the way you Microsofties are.
Oh ... you are going to fault them for honesty?? I suppose you think your link IS a representation of the entire web??
Poor deluded Microsoftie...
and here's mine
Only about 10% of people on the Microsoft campus in Redmond Washington are developers/IT Personnel. Everyone else is marketing, support, etc. 35% of computers on their campus still use an 800x600 screen resolution. There are an amazing number of users who are nt computer savvy.
So even if you said that ALL their developers don't even use their product, that's a powerful statement no matter how you cut it.
Too little, too late. That bus has left the station
Yeah, this is a big one for me as well. I like being able to have the exact same setup on my Linux and Mac boxes as I do on my Windows box. Makes the surfing experience similar no matter what OS I am using.
Microsoft will realize this too late that people will adopt Firefox due to using it on other OS's as well so when forced onto a new OS, they will instantly grab Firefox.
What public outcry?
You know denial isn't just a river in Egypt. It's fun for all Microsofties.
Regular users don't care about any of that (and again, sheesh, IE has had popup blocking for YEARS).
And as I stated in the original post, users don't care about it DIRECTLY but care about the indirect affects that these things produce.
And yes, IE has had POPUP blocking you can purchase and popup blocking that they added in recently... both are highly ineffectual.
IE may have earned itself a bad repution, but keep in mind they still have around 90% marketshare...
IE doesn't even have a 90% marketshare on the Microsoft campus so I don't know how you can possibly say that; I actually worked as a web developer with Microsoft (as an external vendor) and internally, 8-11% of users run a Mozilla based browser. THIS IS IN MICROSOFT ITSELF! When I left over a year ago, it was around 11%.
So where you get that stat must be from someplace that has EXTREMELY slanted results with a very limited polling set. Either that or its just simply made up.
Yep, it's called wishful thinking, or more accurately, Lies.
:)
And decrying it without proof is called denial. Of course you can always deny that too.
There is only one reason Firefox has gained marketshare...
People need a really good reason to use something other than what works well enough
People need several reasons. One isn't generally enough to cause people to change from something they are comfortable with and used to. You may think it is only one reason but it is a combinations of issues that have plagued their browser. Lack of CSS support, lack of W3C compliance, activeX vulnerabilities, vulnerabilities to the OS, spyware, viruses, browser hijacking, popups, lack of customization capabilities... the list goes on and on.
This is a combined effect of all their bad decisions they have made over the years and the emergence of a tool that just does it all better. And regardless of whether they actually fix all those mistakes, those users will not come back for a good long time as IE has earned itself a bad reputation.
Sure IE isn't dead yet but by not working with standards, by being overly invasive, by being integrated into the OS and several other mistakes that they REFUSE to correct, they are doing their best to kill it. It's like they are doing there best to ignore the public outcry while cramming something else down there throats.
Sure Joe Average user doesn't care about these things (at least not directly) but he does care about the indirect problems that these things incur. All he knows is that with Firefox, he doesn't get POPUPS, it lets him modify it to what he wants it to look and act like and it's simple easy and fun to use. Most users completely forget about IE until another applications forces them to open it and asks if they want it to be their default browser.
Now even universities, schools and businesses are installing Firefox and doing their best to remove all pointers to IE due to security risks. And once the end user becomes familiar with the brwser at work or school, they will be more likely to download it and install it at home.
There is a reason why some sites show Firefox usage as high as 30%; hell even internally at Microsoft, 8-11% of people use a Mozilla based browser (based on stats from exclusive third party vendors to Microsoft).
In this case, Microsoft is their own worst enemy and needs to modify their business strategy or else continue to lose market share in the browser.
does the community need to resort to using third-class promotional tactics with total downloads number?
*points at Microsoft*
They started it FIRST!!
Would you prefer Firefox and Mozilla to pay for researchers to put out highly slanted reports instead? Which class would that be? First? Second? If you ask me, that's without class.
With PHP having OOP capabilities but with the vast majority of users still using procedural code, this was a must to not only get those developers coding to a standard but to also get them to upgrade to OOP and PHP5 in one fell swoop.
While I have been building MVC frameworks in PHP for awhile now for corporations, I'm still intrigued to see what Zend will provide. Will this be compiled into the engine? Are these C libraries or java API's that will handle the majority of these additional functionalities?
I'll probably download and play with it as soon as there is more info and documentation.
Is this Steve Ballmer... dude, shouldn't you be practicing for the Olympic Chair Tossing event?
Nice troll by the way. Doubt you'll convince anyone though.
All the more reason to use Linux. :)