Yes, and that's what i'm taking issue with. That argument gets trotted out everytime something hackable comes out, but I don't think it always makes sense.
What would you do with a Linux-running Cube that you couldn't do with a PS2 or XBox that's only $50-100 more, and better suited for the job in terms of media type and perhipherals?
The ultimate fate of every computing device is not to have Linux installed somehow, l33t as it may be:P
I don't know, something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Granted, Sony and Microsoft have put out some nice games, but Nintendo seems to be one of the last focused on a pure gaming machine.
Why would you want Linux on a Cube, anyway? No hard drive, no mouse, non-standard media format, etc...
Looking at more details about this exploit, seems like it's going to be more useful for playing illegal copies of games, something I don't really think should be condoned either.
And also, I fail to see how my above post is off-topic, as whether you disagree with me or not, i'm discussing something mentioned in the submitter's post itself...
For the love of god, no. Can't we have a (modern) console that just stays as a gaming machine?
If you want an everything-box that can run Linux, go buy a PS2, Xbox, or just a cheap computer, but leave the Cube. It's designed to be for gaming and gaming only.
I guess that sounds incredibly jealous, narrow-minded, or fanboyish of me, but that's my gut reaction upon seeing this story.
You completely missed the point. This is a parody of the ``reviews'' of Linux whose basic premise is that: ``it's not Windows, and all the Windows software I like is different on it.'' Are they drivel? More so than this article, which can at least claim to be parody, and thus has some merit.
Funny, it doesn't look that way. Looks more like Rob trying to bash Windows into the ground with a very smarmy attitude, and expecting everyone else to agree with him.
And, I say again, if it's a parody, it's a really stupid idea to completely pass it off as a real article. April Fool's day isn't for 6 more months.
Looks like you (and quite a few others) missed the point.
I have no doubt the "review" was written with a sense of humour, but it wasn't just a joke. The whole point appears to be that he's saying exactly the same things that so many other so-called "reviewers" do when they're coming from a Windows background and reviewing a Linux environment. Down to the exact words in some cases, I'm sure.
Then he failed, miserably. The "joke" isn't funny at all, and frankly, makes him look like a complete idiot. I notice more than a few people expressing the same opinion on the Newsforge comment thread as well.
The point is[0] to illustrate how useless are the kind of "reviews" where the reviewer doesn't give the product a fair go. Doesn't take a serious amount of time to evaluate it. Doesn't actually try to get used to a different environment and way of working, but continually whinges simply because it is different (well, duh) to the environment they normally use.
If that really was his intention, which I doubt....Then why the hell try to pass it off as a "real" article? Last I heard, the best way to combat stereotypes and bad practices was not by stooping to them yourself.
This not a case of needing to fight fire with fire, as it were.
But you do need to worry about viruses, the main reason I switched to Windows. If you use IE and Outlook you should be really worried.
Only if one or more of the following apply:
1) You have no virus-scanning utility available.
2) You don't install any patches.
3) You open every mail that arrives in your Inbox, no matter the subject, reciever, or strange files that come attached.
If you keep up with the latest patches, run a decent virus-scan at regular intervals, and don't idiotically open up every random email attachment you get, you'll be fine.
I used IE for almost 5 years, I still use Outlook to this day, and my system has NEVER been infected with a virus of any kind.
Maybe you'll read this at some point, so...I'm sorry, Rob, but that article was a complete waste of time.
You spend almost 2000 words going over every single problem you can find, and spend 300 words in a couple paragraphs giving a lukewarm appraisal of "Some nice things about Windows XP"- most of which seems spent pondering how Windows has better apps than Linux in some areas, but you don't see a need to use (or pay for) any of them.
And then, you dive right back into the bashing, coming up with some rather innane things you say are missing compared to KDE, like this:
When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried. Again, this may be a feature only super-geeks can can use in Windows that is hidden from us ordinary desktop people. ....
Seriously, either you're just an idiot, or you're pretending just for the sake of finding more negativity.
Try double-clicking on the clock to bring up a calendar, Rob. I know that's an advanced super-geek technique, but maybe you can pull it off.
Anyway, I hope you can see where this is all trying to go. If you're going to do a test-run review of another product, be objective. Don't turn the whole damn thing into a bitch-fest, that helps nobody.
It almost seemed like you were scared someone might actually want to use Windows instead of Linux, and you dragged out every horrible flaw you could think of.
In addition, SunnComm believes that Halderman has violated the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) by disclosing unpublished MediaMax management files placed on a user's computer after user approval is granted. Once the file is found and deleted according to the instructions given in the Princeton grad student's report, the MediaMax copy management system can be bypassed resulting in the copyright protected music being converted or misappropriated for potentially unauthorized and/or illegal use.
Heaven forbid users be able to delete files off their own systems!
It's like they're getting pissy just because someone was actually savvy enough to notice the "unpublished" junk they're slipping onto a system.
Enjoy, SunnComm, you and anyone you're associated with have just lost another customer for life.
You mean this discussion of the Matrix series on slashdot is an inappropriate venue to express one's opinions on th emovie?
No, I didn't say that. What I did mean, though, was that I get quite annoyed with people who apparently find no redeeming quality in something, and yet they force themselves to endure it just so they can vent about it later.
I'm reminded of posters around here that whine about there being too many stories on a subject XYZ, and yet they refuse to use the provided control to stop subjecting themselves to what they hate so much.
Some people enjoy having women in high heels stomp on their balls. That doesn't mean that its a good thing...
Amusing analogy, but not really accurate. You're trying to say "I think this movie sucks, and anyone that likes it is disturbed or otherwise mistaken in some way.".
Sorry, but things don't quite work that way. For a great many people, the whole Matrix series has so far been a very good thing.
You know, if you don't like it, you could just...Not watch the movie. Or if you really can't stop yourself from writing a bad review, at least post it somewhere appropriate.
It made a $281,048,966 US box office total, and over $700 million worldwide so far...Apparently, even if it is "a pretty piece of eye candy", as you say...Some people seem to enjoy candy.
Oh wait, I "need" a new cablemodem and $45/month for each computer in my house. Thanks Cablevision.
For all their big-company evilness, this is why I love Time Warner at the moment...Friendly to multiple systems behind a router(they offered to help set up a home network when I signed up, even), they haven't batted an eye after i've downloaded 12+ gig of files over the last couple weeks, almost zero downtime, and now this.
I'm just curious, really. I've told you what area I live in, so you can at least know i'm not just pulling numbers outta my ass. If you want to have a civilized and pertinent discussion about something, it's generally a good idea for all concerned to have accurate information.
Are you going to argue about the numbers because you know more about it even though you don't live there?
The numbers are accurate. The facts are accurate. It is impossible to support one person and pay all the necessary costs on $52,000 a year.
Again...Not everyone lives where you do. Blanket statements are bad. If I could get that through your head, I would be a happy man.
The only thing I would argue is that yes, it is possible to support yourself on $52K a year, just not (apparently) where you live.
Yes, of course. Someone says $52K isn't enough, therefore they don't have a boyfriend/girlfriend. Makes sense.
Not exactly. You said Having roommates is an extraordinary arrangement. People should be able to afford housing without organizing a committee to pay for it.. Hence my statement. "organizing a committee" to help pay living costs is not an extraordinary thing.
Everyone I know lives with roommates to share the costs. My parents did the same thing. All their friends had roommates during college as well. Horror of horrors, some of them still do. They share the costs, and they can get a nicer place than they could have alone.
I'd like to add also that I could live like a king on $52K a year right now, even if I had nobody else to live with, and even if I was making a car payment and paying back my student loans already. Which leads into...
I have to work 12 hour days, so finding a girlfriend at this point would not only be difficult, but pointless because I wouldn't be able to spend any time with her.
I work 12 hour days because I, like thousands of others, got screwed out of my career a few years ago.
First of all, i'm sorry that you don't have time for a girlfriend, but that wasn't my original point to begin with, and in the end, ya just do what you gotta do. This goes back to the whole possibility of relocating issue- if you moved somewhere with a lower cost of living, maybe you wouldn't have to work 12-hour days just to pay the bills. I'm guessing you're very resistant to the idea, though, so we'll leave it at that.
That's ($1.50 + $2.50 + $4 + $3) $11 right there.
See, this is where most of the argument has come from. You seem to be automatically assuming that I messed up, and those prices are what i'm really paying.
In my case, it's(+ 8% NY sales tax): $0.99(bread)+$3(lunchmeat)+$2(chips)+$1.79(1/2 lb. block of cheddar)= ~$8, give or take because of tax and daily specials. I assure you that, yes, those prices really are correct, and no, I am not a thief or financial wizard.
Maybe not, but it's the reality. The problem is exacerbated by the impossibly bleak employment situation.
I will say I agree with you there, somewhat. I'm an IT major, and looking at full-time co-op opportunities listed for the winter so far, there's....4.
Your share of the rent. Having roommates is an extraordinary arrangement. People should be able to afford housing without organizing a committee to pay for it.
I'll define more specifically for you- I pay my half of the rent, and my girlfriend pays the other half.
I almost feel dirty resorting to the cliche, but maybe having a boy/girfriend (or even normal friends) is too much to ask of most people around here.
Your expenses are not yet significant, and $600 a month around here wouldn't buy storage. I know what the expenses are, having paid them for 12 years. It costs $70 a month just to run a small refrigerator (brand new, energy saver and all that).
I feel sad for you...Again, my monthly power+gas bill during the summer has been around $80 during the summer (~$130 in the winter), and that's supporting...*looks around*...2 computers, 2 monitors(one a 20-inch non-flat panel), a TV, a Gamecube, DVD player, a (not new) full-size fridge/freezer, cooking on an electric stove, an ancient dishwasher, garbage disposal, central AC/heating, hot water when needed, and several light fixtures.
Maybe you should consider moving somewhere that doesn't have such high energy costs. Wherever you are, it's not at all typical, I can assure you of that.
A trip to the store for a half dozen items is $20 to $30, enough for perhaps two days.
What do you buy, exactly? $20-30 for two days of food is just silly, unless you're cooking for a special occasion or something.
For example, I could get a loaf of bread, some lunchmeat, a couple bags of chips, a block of cheese, some pasta(3 pounds), sauce(a gigantic 4lb jar), fruit, and some candy for desert at the local store for maybe $14 or $15.
Even if you can afford to pay high prices, that's money that could be used elsewhere for the 10% saving figure you keep quoting.
One bedroom apartments are $1250. Two bedrooms: $1700. $2000 move-ins with 12 month leases are the rule, not the exception. And don't forget the sparkling credit. One smudge on that report and the door slams and they keep the $225 application fee.
Once again, I almost feel bad for you, but wherever you're living is most decidedly not typical. Take a look at some online apartment listings for places outside your area or in other parts of the country, and you'll see what I mean. In my own area, $1250/month would get me rent on a 3-bedroom townhouse, with money to spare, even.
Where do you live, exactly? You keep pulling out all these numbers, but as far as I can see, you haven't actually said what location has such high living costs.
Already responded to you below, but I just noticed this post with some actual numbers, so i'll go over this too.
Nope. After taxes, it's about $35,000. After housing, it's about $23,000
As i've already said twice, you're crazy if you're alone and paying $2000 or even $1000/month as you claim here. Get a girl/boyfriend, find a college student for a roommate, something.
After food, it's $17,000
Good god, $500/month for food? Living alone? I'm sorry, but if you or someone you know is really spending that much, they're idiots. I can go nuts at the store, get $130 worth of food, and be set for almost a month- with 2 people.
Learn to cook, and don't get takeout food every night.
Car repairs, gas, insurance, it's $12,000
This is the only part that's on, I think.
Utilities: $9,000
Again, this is insane, working out to ~$250/month. Unless you're in a giant-size place with bad insulation, and running the heater or AC 24/7, that's just not going to happen, especially with a person living alone.
You didn't specifically say that, but it would have to be in that high range somewhere to even come close to supporting your original claim.
$52,000 a year is moderate to low income. It is not enough to support a middle-class family without recurring money problems and no savings.
You didn't say anything about supporting a family in your original post, you said it would not be enough to support "one lower-middle-class person and one ten-year-old car with no savings.", which is what I take issue with.
I'm a 4th year college student, with a 14-year old car. Now granted, i'm not paying back my student loans yet at the moment, but currently, $200/day would wipe out my share of the rent in around 2-3 days, the monthly power+gas+phone+cable+vehicle fuel in another day, and whatever's left could be used for anything else.
All that said, i'm not exactly out in the boonies either, being 20 mins from Rochester and about twice that from Buffalo. You'd be suprised what you can find if you're willing to accept a commute a bit longer than 10 or 15 minutes- i'm in a waterfront apartment for only $600/month+utilities and splitting that with someone, even.
I'm guessing that number on Everything2 counts all the two-part episodes as being one, which they're really not, especially in terms of how they'd fit on a DVD.
Umm, no. I don't know where you live, but I can support myself very comfortably on perhaps $1000 a month. $2000/month rents and such are not common in most of the country.
while the Grip/soundman/operators get 200$ a DAY if they are lucky
Gee, poor them. Maybe the MPAA needs to realize that, to the kids that're doing a large part of the downloading and spreading - high-school and college aged - $200/day is an ungodly amount of money. They're never going to feel sorry for someone that's getting paid even at that level.
I do think that those people that will loose their jobs because of this will remember this too.
Frankly, it's their own damn fault. That should have been considered before basing an entire industry on annoying people and invading their home lives.
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Yes, and that's what i'm taking issue with. That argument gets trotted out everytime something hackable comes out, but I don't think it always makes sense.
:P
What would you do with a Linux-running Cube that you couldn't do with a PS2 or XBox that's only $50-100 more, and better suited for the job in terms of media type and perhipherals?
The ultimate fate of every computing device is not to have Linux installed somehow, l33t as it may be
I don't know, something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Granted, Sony and Microsoft have put out some nice games, but Nintendo seems to be one of the last focused on a pure gaming machine.
Why would you want Linux on a Cube, anyway? No hard drive, no mouse, non-standard media format, etc...
Looking at more details about this exploit, seems like it's going to be more useful for playing illegal copies of games, something I don't really think should be condoned either.
And also, I fail to see how my above post is off-topic, as whether you disagree with me or not, i'm discussing something mentioned in the submitter's post itself...
Linux on GameCube anyone?
For the love of god, no. Can't we have a (modern) console that just stays as a gaming machine?
If you want an everything-box that can run Linux, go buy a PS2, Xbox, or just a cheap computer, but leave the Cube. It's designed to be for gaming and gaming only.
I guess that sounds incredibly jealous, narrow-minded, or fanboyish of me, but that's my gut reaction upon seeing this story.
Even if it is a joke, it still makes him look like a moron, that doesn't change.
Seriously, the things he picked to complain about were too braindead to even be funny.
It's a par-o-dy.
;)
Funny, it's not April Fool's Day, and the article is posted on a legitimate news site with no signs that "It's a par-o-dy." anywhere.
Must be one, though, because that's the only way to explain his wildly slanted and inaccurate writing, though, right?
Slashdot is one of open source's premier mouthpieces.
And by posting such garbage as legitimate writing, they lower themselves another small step.
M$Windows apologists and astroturfers should go back to microsoft.com etc. where they belong.
This news story is turning out to be a really great way to spot the M$ astroturfers.
F@$% off. I like and use Windows XP, and yet I dual-boot RedHat 9 as well. What does that make me, eh?
You completely missed the point. This is a parody of the ``reviews'' of Linux whose basic premise is that: ``it's not Windows, and all the Windows software I like is different on it.'' Are they drivel? More so than this article, which can at least claim to be parody, and thus has some merit.
Funny, it doesn't look that way. Looks more like Rob trying to bash Windows into the ground with a very smarmy attitude, and expecting everyone else to agree with him.
And, I say again, if it's a parody, it's a really stupid idea to completely pass it off as a real article. April Fool's day isn't for 6 more months.
Looks like you (and quite a few others) missed the point.
I have no doubt the "review" was written with a sense of humour, but it wasn't just a joke. The whole point appears to be that he's saying exactly the same things that so many other so-called "reviewers" do when they're coming from a Windows background and reviewing a Linux environment. Down to the exact words in some cases, I'm sure.
Then he failed, miserably. The "joke" isn't funny at all, and frankly, makes him look like a complete idiot. I notice more than a few people expressing the same opinion on the Newsforge comment thread as well.
The point is[0] to illustrate how useless are the kind of "reviews" where the reviewer doesn't give the product a fair go. Doesn't take a serious amount of time to evaluate it. Doesn't actually try to get used to a different environment and way of working, but continually whinges simply because it is different (well, duh) to the environment they normally use.
If that really was his intention, which I doubt....Then why the hell try to pass it off as a "real" article? Last I heard, the best way to combat stereotypes and bad practices was not by stooping to them yourself.
This not a case of needing to fight fire with fire, as it were.
But you do need to worry about viruses, the main reason I switched to Windows. If you use IE and Outlook you should be really worried.
Only if one or more of the following apply:
1) You have no virus-scanning utility available.
2) You don't install any patches.
3) You open every mail that arrives in your Inbox, no matter the subject, reciever, or strange files that come attached.
If you keep up with the latest patches, run a decent virus-scan at regular intervals, and don't idiotically open up every random email attachment you get, you'll be fine.
I used IE for almost 5 years, I still use Outlook to this day, and my system has NEVER been infected with a virus of any kind.
Maybe you'll read this at some point, so...I'm sorry, Rob, but that article was a complete waste of time.
....
You spend almost 2000 words going over every single problem you can find, and spend 300 words in a couple paragraphs giving a lukewarm appraisal of "Some nice things about Windows XP"- most of which seems spent pondering how Windows has better apps than Linux in some areas, but you don't see a need to use (or pay for) any of them.
And then, you dive right back into the bashing, coming up with some rather innane things you say are missing compared to KDE, like this:
When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried. Again, this may be a feature only super-geeks can can use in Windows that is hidden from us ordinary desktop people.
Seriously, either you're just an idiot, or you're pretending just for the sake of finding more negativity.
Try double-clicking on the clock to bring up a calendar, Rob. I know that's an advanced super-geek technique, but maybe you can pull it off.
Anyway, I hope you can see where this is all trying to go. If you're going to do a test-run review of another product, be objective. Don't turn the whole damn thing into a bitch-fest, that helps nobody.
It almost seemed like you were scared someone might actually want to use Windows instead of Linux, and you dragged out every horrible flaw you could think of.
That's all i've got for now, so flame away.
In addition, SunnComm believes that Halderman has violated the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) by disclosing unpublished MediaMax management files placed on a user's computer after user approval is granted. Once the file is found and deleted according to the instructions given in the Princeton grad student's report, the MediaMax copy management system can be bypassed resulting in the copyright protected music being converted or misappropriated for potentially unauthorized and/or illegal use.
Heaven forbid users be able to delete files off their own systems!
It's like they're getting pissy just because someone was actually savvy enough to notice the "unpublished" junk they're slipping onto a system.
Enjoy, SunnComm, you and anyone you're associated with have just lost another customer for life.
You mean this discussion of the Matrix series on slashdot is an inappropriate venue to express one's opinions on th emovie?
No, I didn't say that. What I did mean, though, was that I get quite annoyed with people who apparently find no redeeming quality in something, and yet they force themselves to endure it just so they can vent about it later.
I'm reminded of posters around here that whine about there being too many stories on a subject XYZ, and yet they refuse to use the provided control to stop subjecting themselves to what they hate so much.
Some people enjoy having women in high heels stomp on their balls. That doesn't mean that its a good thing...
Amusing analogy, but not really accurate. You're trying to say "I think this movie sucks, and anyone that likes it is disturbed or otherwise mistaken in some way.".
Sorry, but things don't quite work that way. For a great many people, the whole Matrix series has so far been a very good thing.
You know, if you don't like it, you could just...Not watch the movie. Or if you really can't stop yourself from writing a bad review, at least post it somewhere appropriate.
It made a $281,048,966 US box office total, and over $700 million worldwide so far...Apparently, even if it is "a pretty piece of eye candy", as you say...Some people seem to enjoy candy.
Oh wait, I "need" a new cablemodem and $45/month for each computer in my house. Thanks Cablevision.
For all their big-company evilness, this is why I love Time Warner at the moment...Friendly to multiple systems behind a router(they offered to help set up a home network when I signed up, even), they haven't batted an eye after i've downloaded 12+ gig of files over the last couple weeks, almost zero downtime, and now this.
What difference does it make?
I'm just curious, really. I've told you what area I live in, so you can at least know i'm not just pulling numbers outta my ass. If you want to have a civilized and pertinent discussion about something, it's generally a good idea for all concerned to have accurate information.
Are you going to argue about the numbers because you know more about it even though you don't live there?
The numbers are accurate. The facts are accurate. It is impossible to support one person and pay all the necessary costs on $52,000 a year.
Again...Not everyone lives where you do. Blanket statements are bad. If I could get that through your head, I would be a happy man.
The only thing I would argue is that yes, it is possible to support yourself on $52K a year, just not (apparently) where you live.
Yes, of course. Someone says $52K isn't enough, therefore they don't have a boyfriend/girlfriend. Makes sense.
Not exactly. You said Having roommates is an extraordinary arrangement. People should be able to afford housing without organizing a committee to pay for it.. Hence my statement. "organizing a committee" to help pay living costs is not an extraordinary thing.
Everyone I know lives with roommates to share the costs. My parents did the same thing. All their friends had roommates during college as well. Horror of horrors, some of them still do. They share the costs, and they can get a nicer place than they could have alone.
I'd like to add also that I could live like a king on $52K a year right now, even if I had nobody else to live with, and even if I was making a car payment and paying back my student loans already. Which leads into...
I have to work 12 hour days, so finding a girlfriend at this point would not only be difficult, but pointless because I wouldn't be able to spend any time with her.
I work 12 hour days because I, like thousands of others, got screwed out of my career a few years ago.
First of all, i'm sorry that you don't have time for a girlfriend, but that wasn't my original point to begin with, and in the end, ya just do what you gotta do. This goes back to the whole possibility of relocating issue- if you moved somewhere with a lower cost of living, maybe you wouldn't have to work 12-hour days just to pay the bills. I'm guessing you're very resistant to the idea, though, so we'll leave it at that.
That's ($1.50 + $2.50 + $4 + $3) $11 right there.
See, this is where most of the argument has come from. You seem to be automatically assuming that I messed up, and those prices are what i'm really paying.
In my case, it's(+ 8% NY sales tax): $0.99(bread)+$3(lunchmeat)+$2(chips)+$1.79(1/2 lb. block of cheddar)= ~$8, give or take because of tax and daily specials. I assure you that, yes, those prices really are correct, and no, I am not a thief or financial wizard.
Maybe not, but it's the reality. The problem is exacerbated by the impossibly bleak employment situation.
I will say I agree with you there, somewhat. I'm an IT major, and looking at full-time co-op opportunities listed for the winter so far, there's....4.
Your share of the rent. Having roommates is an extraordinary arrangement. People should be able to afford housing without organizing a committee to pay for it.
I'll define more specifically for you- I pay my half of the rent, and my girlfriend pays the other half.
I almost feel dirty resorting to the cliche, but maybe having a boy/girfriend (or even normal friends) is too much to ask of most people around here.
Your expenses are not yet significant, and $600 a month around here wouldn't buy storage.
I know what the expenses are, having paid them for 12 years. It costs $70 a month just to run a small refrigerator (brand new, energy saver and all that).
I feel sad for you...Again, my monthly power+gas bill during the summer has been around $80 during the summer (~$130 in the winter), and that's supporting...*looks around*...2 computers, 2 monitors(one a 20-inch non-flat panel), a TV, a Gamecube, DVD player, a (not new) full-size fridge/freezer, cooking on an electric stove, an ancient dishwasher, garbage disposal, central AC/heating, hot water when needed, and several light fixtures.
Maybe you should consider moving somewhere that doesn't have such high energy costs. Wherever you are, it's not at all typical, I can assure you of that.
A trip to the store for a half dozen items is $20 to $30, enough for perhaps two days.
What do you buy, exactly? $20-30 for two days of food is just silly, unless you're cooking for a special occasion or something.
For example, I could get a loaf of bread, some lunchmeat, a couple bags of chips, a block of cheese, some pasta(3 pounds), sauce(a gigantic 4lb jar), fruit, and some candy for desert at the local store for maybe $14 or $15.
Even if you can afford to pay high prices, that's money that could be used elsewhere for the 10% saving figure you keep quoting.
One bedroom apartments are $1250. Two bedrooms: $1700. $2000 move-ins with 12 month leases are the rule, not the exception. And don't forget the sparkling credit. One smudge on that report and the door slams and they keep the $225 application fee.
Once again, I almost feel bad for you, but wherever you're living is most decidedly not typical. Take a look at some online apartment listings for places outside your area or in other parts of the country, and you'll see what I mean. In my own area, $1250/month would get me rent on a 3-bedroom townhouse, with money to spare, even.
Where do you live, exactly? You keep pulling out all these numbers, but as far as I can see, you haven't actually said what location has such high living costs.
Already responded to you below, but I just noticed this post with some actual numbers, so i'll go over this too.
Nope. After taxes, it's about $35,000. After housing, it's about $23,000
As i've already said twice, you're crazy if you're alone and paying $2000 or even $1000/month as you claim here. Get a girl/boyfriend, find a college student for a roommate, something.
After food, it's $17,000
Good god, $500/month for food? Living alone? I'm sorry, but if you or someone you know is really spending that much, they're idiots. I can go nuts at the store, get $130 worth of food, and be set for almost a month- with 2 people.
Learn to cook, and don't get takeout food every night.
Car repairs, gas, insurance, it's $12,000
This is the only part that's on, I think.
Utilities: $9,000
Again, this is insane, working out to ~$250/month. Unless you're in a giant-size place with bad insulation, and running the heater or AC 24/7, that's just not going to happen, especially with a person living alone.
Where did I say $2000 a month rent?
You didn't specifically say that, but it would have to be in that high range somewhere to even come close to supporting your original claim.
$52,000 a year is moderate to low income. It is not enough to support a middle-class family without recurring money problems and no savings.
You didn't say anything about supporting a family in your original post, you said it would not be enough to support "one lower-middle-class person and one ten-year-old car with no savings.", which is what I take issue with.
I'm a 4th year college student, with a 14-year old car. Now granted, i'm not paying back my student loans yet at the moment, but currently, $200/day would wipe out my share of the rent in around 2-3 days, the monthly power+gas+phone+cable+vehicle fuel in another day, and whatever's left could be used for anything else.
All that said, i'm not exactly out in the boonies either, being 20 mins from Rochester and about twice that from Buffalo. You'd be suprised what you can find if you're willing to accept a commute a bit longer than 10 or 15 minutes- i'm in a waterfront apartment for only $600/month+utilities and splitting that with someone, even.
There's 168 star trek: TNG episodes total.
No, there's 178.
I'm guessing that number on Everything2 counts all the two-part episodes as being one, which they're really not, especially in terms of how they'd fit on a DVD.
Umm, no. I don't know where you live, but I can support myself very comfortably on perhaps $1000 a month. $2000/month rents and such are not common in most of the country.
while the Grip/soundman/operators get 200$ a DAY if they are lucky
Gee, poor them. Maybe the MPAA needs to realize that, to the kids that're doing a large part of the downloading and spreading - high-school and college aged - $200/day is an ungodly amount of money. They're never going to feel sorry for someone that's getting paid even at that level.
I do think that those people that will loose their jobs because of this will remember this too.
Frankly, it's their own damn fault. That should have been considered before basing an entire industry on annoying people and invading their home lives.
Slightly more organized list here.
You do not work for Nintendo. Please stop trying to pass yourself off as a Nintendo employee, troll.
Everyone else: Read this joker's comment history to see what I mean.