The new AMD chips prevent this. They separate memory into instruction-only and data-only sections. If hackers attempt to execute code from the data section of memory, they will fail. Windows will then detect the attempt and close the application
So if there is a buffer overflow in explorer.exe, and I exploit this buffer, it kills explorer.exe.
and if I do this to IIS, repeatedly, from an outlook virus I just created to scan IP ranges and shut down any IIS server it can locate.
Actually, I'm kind of worried that this might create a sort of Baby Boom effect of bad code.
Just the sort of thing that, in a few years perhaps, someone will figure out how to exploit regardless of whether or not people are using these new chips.
It may be insecure code, but if one can't effect it by use of these chips, it is no longer insecure. But what if a round of damaged chips come out. Would Intel or AMD be liable for the damages?
Or would they be liable is there was a way around the new protection?
Can you really impliment this in hardware, 100%, with 0 chance of exploitation?
This kind of scares me, honestly. I do not yet trust this idea. AMD or Intel, I just don't trust the idea.
I got an early prototype HMV when I cut a hole in the roof of this place, I dunno I think the sign said "WBR LLC" whatever that is. Probably some radio station.
Anyhow, long story short, I saw this great robot. Being a complete Star Wars NUT, I did my R2D2 Impression and convinced him to come along. Now I've got a computer tech that works for Power Outlets and spare bolts!
If following the VBScripter Mario's example, he would "Distribute" this mutant plague bacteria for "Educational Purposes" (I learned how to moan when I had Scarlet Fever. You can too!) then get a spiffy article written about him in a rather poor newspaper. Next stop, He's Director of the CDC! "Man, I wish I could mutate Spotted Rocky Mountain fever like that! YOU'RE HIRED!"
Actually, that's true. Didn't you see that episode of The Simpsons where earth abandons violence and destroys all its weapons, so that Kang and Kodos could FINALLY take over earth using their board-with-a-nail-through it SO large, it destroyed the entire planet?!?!?! Didnt you? What? Oh... No, I've only had s-e-e-e-ven cups of coffee today.
"That's like saying that the Internet will never work because what most people want is to just sit in front of a TV set and watch."
Not quite on the head, but as close as you can get in describing MMORPG mentality. Here is what my obserations have been, on MMORPG's (I have played quite a few, including two from this company, one in about 1994. Yeah, it's still making money.
basically here is it: People who play online RPG's for the most part Do Not Seem To Roleplay. Go into Anarchy Online and start asking around about george bush or something, nobody is going to say, "George who? Is he a new planet overlord?" or whathaveyou. Because they are probably not getting into it that way.
Fine, whatever.
But when you trust those same users to entertain themselves, you tend to end up with Missions or Quests or whatever that go like "Kill rabbit, get GiantGlowingSwordOfExplosionNess" Or just crap that isnt that entertaining to ME, or to anyone else for that matter. Why? They'll say "It's just a game." or more likely "d00d itz jus a game, U R GAY how dos you dad lek it??".
The games I've played from Nexon Inc, Including one named "Darkages" (NOT DAoC) was very different. When it was released, they players were put in charge basically. They made laws for the various cities (Only two had governments, but there were like... 8 cities in all that you could go to. They just didnt have an established gov't) These players, as one of the first rules or laws if you will, stated "You have to actually Roleplay in this game or you get kicked out of these two bigass main cities with all the good hunting/commerce places"
There were very complex rules regarding punishment for breaking the laws, including capitol punishment by the hands of these wierd wraith looking things (called Sgath), being kicked out of one town or another, and so on. There was also Organized religion. 8 of them. Yes, all handled by the players, because they wanted to, they were dedicated to the community in some way, and certain features were implimented by the developers.
On Commerce, The players will make their own comemrce system. Im a whateverclass and I need a whateverstick to hunt with people this way at this level, so I get one. Then I sell it to someone in my own position later. Or I need a magicgreenringthingy to give to the giant crab as part of a BigMagicSword Quest, theres a market for these items. Fairly simple if you ask me, markets create themselves among players if conditions are right. You even see inflation and recessions!
Now this is drawing on, and theres more including guilds, guild/religion quests, and a buttload of player created content and contests including a very, very, VERY vibrant community consisting of: Art, poetry, music, stories and anything inbetween including webcomics.
Nowadays it's changed quite a bit and some law have been 'repealed' if you will, and the RP aspect isnt so nazily enforced by the PLAYER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
This is an example of a game kinda done right. The only thing it needed was more content created by the developers in the form of Hard Coded Item Giving Quests and Events. But nonetheless, players carried on doing things that you might do in real life and having a blast doing it.
Now FINALLY getting to my point (and I'm sorry). I believe equal shares of Developer Content and Player Content and Community Encouraging Activities are required to produce a game that is fun, and will stay fun/fresh for YEARS.
You cant let players loose in a box and expect them to play tag. You also can't yet players loose in a roped-in-line of quests and level hunting either. You need it all if you expect to make cash for a long time. Though if you sell each copy of the game for 50 bucks, you make your money either way. What a system!
This is why these games are ridiculously difficult to get right, and make it last. (In adition, Not charging 50 bucks for a game Im going to pay monthly to play AN
Right you are, But I could have used this to hand-encode all my Kazaa packets until YOU had to go and spill the beans! Thanks a BUNCH! Now they'll add Enigma support to carnivore, and I'm stuck with IPSEC!
Pfft, We had The Hamster back in like, what? 1998?
Great group. About a hundred hamster dancing and singing acapella, I think was the idea. Anyhow they quickly sold out and became to "commercial" so I moved on to way more indie things. Poser.
I get the distinct impression that people who really enjoy the pop-crap such as Spears, and Boy Bands are simple victims of marketing.
Yes! You too (with some fake boobs, instant hot grits, or natural good looks and a CD Player with your heavily produced song that was written for you by The Neptunes) can EASILY Get Rich Quick(tm) with DON LEPRE's MUSIC SENSATION PACKAGE! Co-rrect! For only 49.95 (plus shipping) I will send YOU this FABULOUS package that will allow YOU to become FAMOUS in just Six to Eight Weeks with the Beat-Box Action of Two Hamsters!
I'm not sure, but I'm sure nobody over there is looking forward to the 19 "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES" that they will no doubt force down their employees throats while garnishing their salaries.
They all Tell me "Dude! Just buy a space ship and quit pretending you drive one to the night shift at 7-11!" But the answer is still the same: "None of the space ships availiable drive on the ground! I had to get a CRX instead!"
I suppose it really is not a useful part of the discussion, but if you glance at the graph included with the article, it clearly says "...the website for software firm SGO..."
I just thought it was kid of silly... ust goes to show you, it's easy to miss proofreading a graph, and an important lesson for college students everywhere: Check your graphics!
Oh man, you are so completely correct. And I do believe the issue is to not trust Microsoft (to write decent, not great or even good, but merely servicable software)
"okay, instead of patching our crap that you paid for, just don't use these featrues. That's right, they're bugs, not features! But we won't patch them for numerous unspecified reasons."
"By the way, you knew it wouldnt be anywhere near secure when you bought it. Remember lovebug? eh? Oh, we're better than linux/bsd/unix/sunos/macos for numerous unspecified reasons."
--an open letter from MS (well, at least they could have the courtesy to tell us directly they're ridiculous)
I thought for a second is said "Modern Major General" and thought that/. was FINALLY posting all those Gilbert and Sullivan performance dates I've been harping.
But, instead I got a railroad. No pirates, no somewhat homoerotic prancing, no Captain Corcran. *sigh*
Yeah! I for one am sick and tired of seeing major Hollywod studios go out of business! Oh, if only people had watched 'Cheaper by the Dozen' In theaters instead of pirating it to realize it was terrible! Why! If only they were able to profit in some way from these movies somehow!
I do believe that will simply make the Judge feel rather despondent towards SCO and its Dark pact with sa^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstrong legal case, unless simply impose some sort of penalty against SCO. I hope that penalty is Hot, Steamy, Delicious Death. IANAL by far, mind you.
pfft. the pr0n sites will just move to the cook islands' domain. They do after all sell ".co.ck"... well maybe thats good for gay/female oriented pr0n sites.../me hides
Anyhow, I'm feeling very bad for these struggling Niue, If some shady businessman havent stolen it, Id buy a.nu domain right now! I am in the market for a nu domain...
I don't know about anybody else, but that looks pretty nice to me. I mean, if it were any color but purple...
Anyhow, with this you could create even lighting throughout a room without using track lights, or lamps studding every surface. Though many use lamps for decoration purposes, I dont really have enough space for my equipment as it is. Computers, Fish tanks, Cameras and supplies, Guitar/amp, books, stereo+record/cds... Its all in a fairly small area, cramping my style, as it were.
In addition, you could probably get a light that is colored to better suit your decor than might be availiable with lightbulbs, not to mention to possible power saving bonus and decrease in heat output over Standard Lightbulbs. I won't even discuss the evils of flourescent lights.
Please note how he said "In case any windows users are interested but can't use dig" instead of "For all you windows using LUSER$ who don't get to use the super-secret-ultra-high-tech dig! LO!!L!L!Lzzzz"
Indeed! Plexiglass glued together would look better possibly, and probably be cheaper. Much cheaper by my guess (having glanced over the pictures, not the price) But you forget that most people lack the tools to cut plexiglass, let alone glue it together! Why... That would probably mean... cutting and glueing as well! Who the hell would do that when they could simply drop a mint for a kit that looks like trash. I mean, I would venture that anybody paying nine dollars at Home Depot for some plex and glue is totally nineteen-ninety-nine.
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The new AMD chips prevent this. They separate memory into instruction-only and data-only sections. If hackers attempt to execute code from the data section of memory, they will fail. Windows will then detect the attempt and close the application
So if there is a buffer overflow in explorer.exe, and I exploit this buffer, it kills explorer.exe.
and if I do this to IIS, repeatedly, from an outlook virus I just created to scan IP ranges and shut down any IIS server it can locate.
Actually, I'm kind of worried that this might create a sort of Baby Boom effect of bad code.
Just the sort of thing that, in a few years perhaps, someone will figure out how to exploit regardless of whether or not people are using these new chips.
It may be insecure code, but if one can't effect it by use of these chips, it is no longer insecure. But what if a round of damaged chips come out. Would Intel or AMD be liable for the damages?
Or would they be liable is there was a way around the new protection?
Can you really impliment this in hardware, 100%, with 0 chance of exploitation?
This kind of scares me, honestly. I do not yet trust this idea. AMD or Intel, I just don't trust the idea.
Let me tell you what, They're GREAT!
I got an early prototype HMV when I cut a hole in the roof of this place, I dunno I think the sign said "WBR LLC" whatever that is. Probably some radio station.
Anyhow, long story short, I saw this great robot. Being a complete Star Wars NUT, I did my R2D2 Impression and convinced him to come along. Now I've got a computer tech that works for Power Outlets and spare bolts!
This is nothing new, I assure you.
I've been doing this in my bathroom for years.
*ducks*
If following the VBScripter Mario's example, he would "Distribute" this mutant plague bacteria for "Educational Purposes" (I learned how to moan when I had Scarlet Fever. You can too!) then get a spiffy article written about him in a rather poor newspaper.
Next stop, He's Director of the CDC! "Man, I wish I could mutate Spotted Rocky Mountain fever like that! YOU'RE HIRED!"
Actually, that's true.
Didn't you see that episode of The Simpsons where earth abandons violence and destroys all its weapons, so that Kang and Kodos could FINALLY take over earth using their board-with-a-nail-through it SO large, it destroyed the entire planet?!?!?!
Didnt you?
What?
Oh... No, I've only had s-e-e-e-ven cups of coffee today.
"That's like saying that the Internet will never work because what most people want is to just sit in front of a TV set and watch."
Not quite on the head, but as close as you can get in describing MMORPG mentality. Here is what my obserations have been, on MMORPG's (I have played quite a few, including two from this company, one in about 1994. Yeah, it's still making money.
basically here is it: People who play online RPG's for the most part Do Not Seem To Roleplay. Go into Anarchy Online and start asking around about george bush or something, nobody is going to say, "George who? Is he a new planet overlord?" or whathaveyou. Because they are probably not getting into it that way.
Fine, whatever.
But when you trust those same users to entertain themselves, you tend to end up with Missions or Quests or whatever that go like "Kill rabbit, get GiantGlowingSwordOfExplosionNess" Or just crap that isnt that entertaining to ME, or to anyone else for that matter. Why? They'll say "It's just a game." or more likely "d00d itz jus a game, U R GAY how dos you dad lek it??".
The games I've played from Nexon Inc, Including one named "Darkages" (NOT DAoC) was very different. When it was released, they players were put in charge basically. They made laws for the various cities (Only two had governments, but there were like... 8 cities in all that you could go to. They just didnt have an established gov't) These players, as one of the first rules or laws if you will, stated "You have to actually Roleplay in this game or you get kicked out of these two bigass main cities with all the good hunting/commerce places"
There were very complex rules regarding punishment for breaking the laws, including capitol punishment by the hands of these wierd wraith looking things (called Sgath), being kicked out of one town or another, and so on. There was also Organized religion. 8 of them. Yes, all handled by the players, because they wanted to, they were dedicated to the community in some way, and certain features were implimented by the developers.
On Commerce, The players will make their own comemrce system. Im a whateverclass and I need a whateverstick to hunt with people this way at this level, so I get one. Then I sell it to someone in my own position later. Or I need a magicgreenringthingy to give to the giant crab as part of a BigMagicSword Quest, theres a market for these items. Fairly simple if you ask me, markets create themselves among players if conditions are right. You even see inflation and recessions!
Now this is drawing on, and theres more including guilds, guild/religion quests, and a buttload of player created content and contests including a very, very, VERY vibrant community consisting of: Art, poetry, music, stories and anything inbetween including webcomics.
Nowadays it's changed quite a bit and some law have been 'repealed' if you will, and the RP aspect isnt so nazily enforced by the PLAYER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
This is an example of a game kinda done right. The only thing it needed was more content created by the developers in the form of Hard Coded Item Giving Quests and Events. But nonetheless, players carried on doing things that you might do in real life and having a blast doing it.
Now FINALLY getting to my point (and I'm sorry). I believe equal shares of Developer Content and Player Content and Community Encouraging Activities are required to produce a game that is fun, and will stay fun/fresh for YEARS.
You cant let players loose in a box and expect them to play tag. You also can't yet players loose in a roped-in-line of quests and level hunting either. You need it all if you expect to make cash for a long time. Though if you sell each copy of the game for 50 bucks, you make your money either way. What a system!
This is why these games are ridiculously difficult to get right, and make it last. (In adition, Not charging 50 bucks for a game Im going to pay monthly to play AN
Right you are, But I could have used this to hand-encode all my Kazaa packets until YOU had to go and spill the beans! Thanks a BUNCH! Now they'll add Enigma support to carnivore, and I'm stuck with IPSEC!
Way to go, commie!
=P
Pfft, We had The Hamster back in like, what? 1998?
Great group. About a hundred hamster dancing and singing acapella, I think was the idea. Anyhow they quickly sold out and became to "commercial" so I moved on to way more indie things. Poser.
I get the distinct impression that people who really enjoy the pop-crap such as Spears, and Boy Bands are simple victims of marketing.
Yes! You too (with some fake boobs, instant hot grits, or natural good looks and a CD Player with your heavily produced song that was written for you by The Neptunes) can EASILY Get Rich Quick(tm) with DON LEPRE's MUSIC SENSATION PACKAGE! Co-rrect! For only 49.95 (plus shipping) I will send YOU this FABULOUS package that will allow YOU to become FAMOUS in just Six to Eight Weeks with the Beat-Box Action of Two Hamsters!
*sigh*
I'm not sure, but I'm sure nobody over there is looking forward to the 19 "CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES" that they will no doubt force down their employees throats while garnishing their salaries.
Funny, that.
You know, thats what most people tell me as I drive around in my Honda Civic hatchback with a Giant Yellow Wing and big assed stickers proclaiming my awesomness.
They all Tell me "Dude! Just buy a space ship and quit pretending you drive one to the night shift at 7-11!" But the answer is still the same: "None of the space ships availiable drive on the ground! I had to get a CRX instead!"
Well I'm off to 7-11.
I suppose it really is not a useful part of the discussion, but if you glance at the graph included with the article, it clearly says "...the website for software firm SGO..."
I just thought it was kid of silly...
ust goes to show you, it's easy to miss proofreading a graph, and an important lesson for college students everywhere: Check your graphics!
Oh man, you are so completely correct.
And I do believe the issue is to not trust Microsoft (to write decent, not great or even good, but merely servicable software)
"okay, instead of patching our crap that you paid for, just don't use these featrues. That's right, they're bugs, not features! But we won't patch them for numerous unspecified reasons."
"By the way, you knew it wouldnt be anywhere near secure when you bought it. Remember lovebug? eh? Oh, we're better than linux/bsd/unix/sunos/macos for numerous unspecified reasons."
--an open letter from MS (well, at least they could have the courtesy to tell us directly they're ridiculous)
*sigh* we're all screwed.
New Silent Webservers!
SilentX webserver, garunteed to make NO noise, and serve NO webpages (that is, after being slashdotted ruthlessly)
Ah progress!
Duh! Didn't you RTFA- Oh. Well I guess one prince of evil is hard to discern from the next.
Yes yes, good good, but will he say "Ni"?
I thought for a second is said "Modern Major General" and thought that /. was FINALLY posting all those Gilbert and Sullivan performance dates I've been harping.
But, instead I got a railroad. No pirates, no somewhat homoerotic prancing, no Captain Corcran. *sigh*
Yeah! I for one am sick and tired of seeing major Hollywod studios go out of business! Oh, if only people had watched 'Cheaper by the Dozen' In theaters instead of pirating it to realize it was terrible! Why! If only they were able to profit in some way from these movies somehow!
I do believe that will simply make the Judge feel rather despondent towards SCO and its Dark pact with sa^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstrong legal case, unless simply impose some sort of penalty against SCO. I hope that penalty is Hot, Steamy, Delicious Death.
IANAL by far, mind you.
pfft. /me hides
.nu domain right now! I am in the market for a nu domain...
the pr0n sites will just move to the cook islands' domain.
They do after all sell ".co.ck"... well maybe thats good for gay/female oriented pr0n sites...
Anyhow, I'm feeling very bad for these struggling Niue, If some shady businessman havent stolen it, Id buy a
I don't know about anybody else, but that looks pretty nice to me. I mean, if it were any color but purple...
Anyhow, with this you could create even lighting throughout a room without using track lights, or lamps studding every surface. Though many use lamps for decoration purposes, I dont really have enough space for my equipment as it is. Computers, Fish tanks, Cameras and supplies, Guitar/amp, books, stereo+record/cds... Its all in a fairly small area, cramping my style, as it were.
In addition, you could probably get a light that is colored to better suit your decor than might be availiable with lightbulbs, not to mention to possible power saving bonus and decrease in heat output over Standard Lightbulbs. I won't even discuss the evils of flourescent lights.
All in all it seems like an interesting use of LED lighting which might actually be viable. [trekkie]and I can pretend I'm on the Starship Enterprise![/trekkie]
Please note how he said "In case any windows users are interested but can't use dig" instead of "For all you windows using LUSER$ who don't get to use the super-secret-ultra-high-tech dig! LO!!L!L!Lzzzz"
Indeed! Plexiglass glued together would look better possibly, and probably be cheaper. Much cheaper by my guess (having glanced over the pictures, not the price) But you forget that most people lack the tools to cut plexiglass, let alone glue it together! Why... That would probably mean... cutting and glueing as well! Who the hell would do that when they could simply drop a mint for a kit that looks like trash. I mean, I would venture that anybody paying nine dollars at Home Depot for some plex and glue is totally nineteen-ninety-nine.
Get with the times, man.