I think you underestimate some things that users do need. Firewall (windows pay norton or mcafee, linux included), virus scanner (windows pay norton or mcafee, linux included), office suite (windows pay MS $500+, linux included), IDE (windows pay MS $2500+, linux included), PDF Viewer (windows go download reader (not a direct cost but still an indirect one), linux included), PDF writer (windows go pay Adobe $500 for distiller, linux included), Image editor (windows go pay Adobe $2000 for Photoshop/Illustrator/etc, linux included).
Now granted the linux equivalents aren't really, and some leave quite a bit to be desired. However for the general user in my experience (converting over 20 offices with a total of 500+ users) from windows to linux 95% of the needs are satisfied with OSS software, and running a single windows server with the other 5% of the needs in a terminal server fixes that just fine.
hmm, I would argue that this is a sign of OSS in general gaining. If people are asking how to do xyz on apache/php/mysql on windows... well that means they've ditched mssql/iis/asp doesn't it? Just because they didn't want to ditch their $1500 investment in the OS they bought 1 year ago doesn't mean they won't in a year or 2 when that box is dead.
Admins can't be retrained overnight, and the fact that people are running OSS software on windows is a good thing, it means something that some admin would go through the trouble of installing apache/php/mysql on a windows server that for sure already has iis/asp and might already have mssql or oracle. Would you go through that trouble if there wasn't a compelling reason? Neither would I.
Ok, so the president, his top aides, the military, the intelligence services, they all were complicit?
For the neocons to "make" it happen, the president would have to have such a huge consolidation of power, across so many branches of the armed services, legislature, and his own office that it is laughable to even suggest it. If "the neocons" were actively participating in the murder of 3000+ americans, well, lets just say we'd have heard about it by now.
The democrats certainly would have ben able to find a smoking gun in the 4 years since then. No conspiracy that large could be kept secret. People like you are the reason the country re-elected Bush.
I am a republican but, no Bush apologist. I would have liked to have seen a decent democratic run last year. Unfortunately all I got from you guys was "Bush is the devil, he bought bin Laden the plane tickets!" insane, stupid, poorly reasoned arguments about how Iraq would be better off if we hadn't gone (they wouldn't sometimes sacrifice is required to improve something you Hollywood pussy Dems always seem to forget), about how the country is worse off because of Bush (I don't know about you but my salary is up 130% over the last 5 years, I own a house at 5.5%, I have health insurance which I didn't during the Clinton years, and I've been able to get completely out of debt except for my house.. so to me I think Bush has done a good job on the home front.).
Anyway, I would have voted for Edwards if you guys had put him up instead of that cold fish Kerry. Edwards was a hard working, smart, thoughtful, well reasoned person who was a great example of achieving the american dream. Unfortunately you guys decided the spoiled, aristocrat who's never had to work a day in his life would be a better representation of your values. And now you bitch about it.... Idiots you picked him
I will forever be greatful to 2 excellent high school teachers I had (in public school no less!), 1 in math (pre-calc, calc) and 1 in chemistry (chem1 and chem2AP). They wouldn't let us use calculators for anything, not on tests, not on homework, no where. This forced us to get good at doing all sorts of mathmatics in our heads, and to come up with creative solutions if we couldn't remember the specific function/equation to apply to a problem.
I often times would have to work around some equation I couldn't remember and basically derive the equation from smaller building blocks. This gave me a much greater understanding of the actual processes going on. This kind of problem solving/understanding completely disappears when children can use calculators to simply "get the right answer", but the important thing in the maths and sciences is not necessarily the answer, but the process of getting there, and the ability to problem solve, which has completely disappeared in US middle and high schools.
What do you mean by "full virtualization"? Xen cannot run windows or any other "unmodified" OS as a guest, so I don't think it provides full virtualization at all, to me that means that you can run an unmodified OS as if it were a full x86 system.
Which of course is the point of patents. Alacritech "invented" the idea, so they get to be the only game in town for 20 years... This is the problem in my mind with software patents (the length of time not the monopoly granted).
Software patents would be fine if they lasted 2 years, maybe 3 at the very most. I feel that software patents don't achieve their purpose of fostering innovation because if I patent process xyz, and no one else can use it except for pay me for it, well, someone is going to figure out how to do xqwz and end up at the same endpoint without violating my patent. So, in short the patent didn't make me any money, it just encouraged reinvention of the wheel, which makes all development slower.
They talked to "IT Managers", at my last job (a midsized company revenues of about 500m/yr) we had 20 servers in the racks, 10 were windows and 10 were linux, and we were migrating everything we could over to linux as quickly as possible, file servers, web servers, intranet, database, the only thing windows was still doing was print servering because our printers didn't have a reliable linux driver...
Anyway, my point is that the IT Manager didn't have a clue what we were running. He said "Make x happen with $y". Often times (we're talking 99-01 here) the $y was prohibitively small to achieve anything with windows... IE, smaller than a single license for windows 2k server. So being good admins and programmers we figured out ways to make x happen without spending any money (or spending very little). This actually was well rewarded in the form of bonuses and stuff (the company was good about taking care of their people). If they called my old IT Manager he said "we're using windows" cause that's whats on his desktop, and he doesn't know the difference between samba, php, apache and windows, asp, and iis. He doesn't see the difference cause we did our jobs right.
In what state do you live that you get naked dsl? I know Qwest in all the states they operate only offer DSL with analog phone service. I know Verizon doesn't offer naked DSL, SBC doesn't either.. So yeah it sucks that the FCC didn't make the telco's offer naked dsl, but at the same time it doesn't change anything, its just business as usual.
While to a certain extent this is taxation without representation, there is another issue here. I live in Utah but work in Nevada, now I still have to pay Utah taxes because Nevada doesn't have any state taxes.
However, if I was working in Colorado (where they have state taxes) my company would withhold my colorado taxes, and then in Utah I would be able to use the taxes paid to colorado as a tax credit (not a deduction, but a credit meaning if colorado charges 10% tax and utah charges 15% I only have to pay 5% to Utah, cause the full 10% that went to colorado is credited).
I'm not double taxed, I pay exactly what I would if I worked in Utah, so there is no advantage to me to live in Utah and work in Nevada (except that I make more money working in Nevada), but there is a big advantage to my company (they save nearly 4 million a year because there is not corporate income tax in Nevada either).
If the company were forced to withold taxes for each state in which they employed people, it would be a complete nightmare and cost a whole lot more for the company. It makes sense for the company to withold taxes in whatever state they operate. It is the easiest way for the company to operate.
What this should cause is companies to flock to low tax/no tax states like Nevada, Texas, etc.. because no one should pay California, Mass, or NY taxes.
People are just being crybabies. All of the functionality that relies on java is new, and in my opinion non-core. Yes, they need to clean up the menu system so that choices that require java are greyed out if its not available, but 2.0 is worth it just for the ui enhancements and better filters.
Base is a lame Access knockoff that crashes all the time. It won't be stable until OOo 3. And why do we care if we can't use wizards, aren't we always lampooning MS for their endless "wizard to create xyz"?
What now we're mad cause someone used the best language available (to them) to produce some new features? I though FOSS was about choice, but I guess thats only if you pick the language that FOSS condones... You can pick anything as long as its lisp and emacs! Anyway, I'm not a java fanboy, I much prefer python or perl, but java does have its place and there are alot of coders who know it, so now we're saying you can't develop OSS in java.. that's a great stance to take.
Grow up, download the JRE, or don't whatever, I've been running the 2.0 beta since it was released without the JRE and I haven't missed anything, for what I need an office suite for it works great. To be true I did install the JRE to check out Base, but it sucks, and I ditched it after about 10 minutes.
I actually try every release of KDE, I really like KDE as far as look and feel are concerned. I prefer it over gnome, but the whole system feels sluggish to me.
It has been a long time since I ran KDE in gentoo (which a year ago when I was using gentoo, was the fastest I've ever seen KDE run). On my pM 1.86 with 1gb of ram, XFCE 4.2 loads in less than 5 seconds (from hitting enter on the GDM login screen to a usable desktop). KDE 3.3 takes 25-30 on the exact same hardware. Gnome is a little faster but not much 20-25 seconds.
Anyway, I'm sorry it crashed on you, maybe a little too agressive in your optimizations? I've never had an xfce session go down... can't say that about Gnome or KDE.
well I don't want enough libraries to run 90% of software on my servers. I might on my desktop machines though... so I need a system that tells me what is installed and what is not. Having a monolithic system that automatically installs enough libs so that 90% of software runs gets you quickly into the MS security problems.
yeah that move pissed me off a bit:) but as you say its in fedora extras, and xfce has very easy to use graphical installers which have worked flawlessly for me on multiple distros now...
I'm gonna give an amen to that. I moved to Xfce I think in Fedora Core 2 when it was included as a standard desktop option, and i haven't looked back. It is fast, easy to use, small, powerful, I've got gnome and kde libs on my machines to run kde and gnome apps, but I love Xfce all the power of gnome or kde, loads in less than 5 seconds (as opposed to 30+ for either kde or gnome) and uses much less ram. All in all I really like it.
I agree with you that software installation should be much more like OS X. It is the cleanest way to install software. However, I think the largest obstacle to this sort of thing in Linux is that 99% of programs have dependencies, and the program needs a way to check whether software x, y, and z are installed prior to installing itself. This is the facility that package management systems like RPM, apt, emerge, etc provide.
The ability to see if something else is installed and decide what to do based on that is very important in the Linux world. With the OS X way there is no way that program q can tell if it's dependencies x, y, and z are met as you copy q's file over to your Applications directory.
Fink on OS X does it for unix/linux software on OS X (making sure that dependencies are met). Anyway, even Gnome apps have dependencies sometimes on ssl libs, netscape libs, and without a package manager of some sort, you end up with software that won't run.
Thanks for all the information, I didn't use macs until OS X and then still not that often. Anyway, that's fine if there is a ton of prior art. the RFC doesn't exactly qualify as it was written and copyright 2005...
but anyway, I was mis-informed in an MCSE class I took where the instructor said that MS owned the 169.254 address space, sorry about that. I wasn't saying MS owned the technology, just the address space.. but I'm wrong there sorry.
Anyway, my point was just that MS is not in any way trying to "own" the internet, it has nothing to do with ipv6 as everyone was screaming. Let MS and Apple duke it out over the patents, it'll be fun to watch!
Ok, the article, the pubpat guy, the slashdot editors, everyone's missed the boat on this one.
While this patent is not quite brilliant, it's not ipv6, this is a patent on the "automatic addressing" function in windows ME, 2k, xp, etc, where if your network card has link, but can't find a dhcp server the system auto-assigns an address from like a 169 or something subnet that MS owns.
This patent has absolutely nothing to do with ipv6 further, I believe MS was the first to do anything like this, even now they are (unless maybe apple does it now too... but I don't think they do either). Anyway I've never seen the feature actually be useful, mostly it is an annoyance, but it's not ipv6
hmm, the only way to degrade VoIP is to increase latency above say 150ms, even then it still works pretty well, but you start having some issues.
In my experience things don't really start to suck until you've got at least 500ms latency... now, if they are going to degrade "everything else" to 500ms latency, they are going to start getting complaints, page loads for example will be dramatically slower, everything will feel extremely slow. Another service which I've noticed seems to be affected by lots of latency is ssl... Might just be on my ISPs network but when they get DOS'd, normal http traffic works fine (although slower), but https traffic totally dies, I think it causes the client and server to miss the handshake timeout or something... Streaming video? forget about it. As you mention, gaming as well would be nigh impossible especially the newer interactive games that use VoIP to allow players to communicate.
Obviously alot of ISP already try to limit hosting servers, this would totally stamp that out, well not really it would just cause a flood of people moving to server-friendly ISPs.
My point is, the level of degredation they would have to cause on their networks to make other VoIP carriers service suck would cause massive problems with all other types of service. They would start losing customers left and right, and in the end would be forced to give up on their VoIP killing spree
Yes, that would be a very effective means to make the traffic get at least as good of service as general net traffic on the connection, which is all vonage et al are getting today.
It would be nice if there was end to end QoS on the net, but that would require such massive cooperation between competing entities that it would basically require gov't intervention to achieve, which I think we all agree would be about the worst thing that could happen (gov't mandating QoS/Encryption/Any standards on the net)
I actually engineer and sell Asterisk boxes to small businesses, providing VoIP inside the office, connecting to the pstn. Our device encrypts all voice traffic on the public internet (between offices, and from remote clients/road warriors).
This article is of course mostly just stupid. Creating a vlan or QoS policy for VoIP will not cause the rest of the traffic to be crappy, not unless at least 50% of their actual traffic is voice traffic and that would require a whole lot of phone calls. VoIP is not really a broadband service per se.. it only takes 64kbps, my dsl service gives me 1.5mbps down and 1mbps up... I'd have to have 10 simultaneous calls up to use 50% of my bandwidth on voice...
Even if this was the case, the ISPs can't let "all other traffic" suffer at the expense of voip, if their voip policies are being so generous to their voip traffic that other voip providers service suffers, guess what, internet traffic in general will be suffering, and people will certainly notice that and complain (Hey, my bittorrent is only downloading at 50Kpbs, it used to get at least 150Kbps... )
Anyway, the article is idiocy, and people who know VoIP know how to secure it, and yes, I would never make a VoIP call over the public net without encryption.
So, no more using AIM for intra/inter office communication...
thought you had a trade secret, oops sorry AOL owns your ass!
thought you had the next big thing, whoops you told your buddy on AIM, now AOL just released it... I've never heard of a worse policy to scare people away from a platform.
ok, we'd be paying a hell of a lot more than 5 cents per song. I pay nearly 10k/mo for my "Internet Service" which would be taxed at 1% under this plan so I'd be paying $100/mo to the music industry because I have a ds3 for my business... and we don't download any music. my company also buys 150-200 computers per year at around 1500 each... thats 2250-3000 more per year, so in the end I'd be paying more per year for "music" than I've spent in the last 10 years combined. This is about the stupidest idea I've ever heard.
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Annotea cannot count as prior art.
The project was established in dec 01
the patent was filed before that (march 01).
Sorry try again.
I think you underestimate some things that users do need. Firewall (windows pay norton or mcafee, linux included), virus scanner (windows pay norton or mcafee, linux included), office suite (windows pay MS $500+, linux included), IDE (windows pay MS $2500+, linux included), PDF Viewer (windows go download reader (not a direct cost but still an indirect one), linux included), PDF writer (windows go pay Adobe $500 for distiller, linux included), Image editor (windows go pay Adobe $2000 for Photoshop/Illustrator/etc, linux included).
Now granted the linux equivalents aren't really, and some leave quite a bit to be desired. However for the general user in my experience (converting over 20 offices with a total of 500+ users) from windows to linux 95% of the needs are satisfied with OSS software, and running a single windows server with the other 5% of the needs in a terminal server fixes that just fine.
hmm, I would argue that this is a sign of OSS in general gaining. If people are asking how to do xyz on apache/php/mysql on windows... well that means they've ditched mssql/iis/asp doesn't it? Just because they didn't want to ditch their $1500 investment in the OS they bought 1 year ago doesn't mean they won't in a year or 2 when that box is dead.
Admins can't be retrained overnight, and the fact that people are running OSS software on windows is a good thing, it means something that some admin would go through the trouble of installing apache/php/mysql on a windows server that for sure already has iis/asp and might already have mssql or oracle. Would you go through that trouble if there wasn't a compelling reason? Neither would I.
Ok, so the president, his top aides, the military, the intelligence services, they all were complicit?
For the neocons to "make" it happen, the president would have to have such a huge consolidation of power, across so many branches of the armed services, legislature, and his own office that it is laughable to even suggest it. If "the neocons" were actively participating in the murder of 3000+ americans, well, lets just say we'd have heard about it by now.
The democrats certainly would have ben able to find a smoking gun in the 4 years since then. No conspiracy that large could be kept secret. People like you are the reason the country re-elected Bush.
I am a republican but, no Bush apologist. I would have liked to have seen a decent democratic run last year. Unfortunately all I got from you guys was "Bush is the devil, he bought bin Laden the plane tickets!" insane, stupid, poorly reasoned arguments about how Iraq would be better off if we hadn't gone (they wouldn't sometimes sacrifice is required to improve something you Hollywood pussy Dems always seem to forget), about how the country is worse off because of Bush (I don't know about you but my salary is up 130% over the last 5 years, I own a house at 5.5%, I have health insurance which I didn't during the Clinton years, and I've been able to get completely out of debt except for my house.. so to me I think Bush has done a good job on the home front.).
Anyway, I would have voted for Edwards if you guys had put him up instead of that cold fish Kerry. Edwards was a hard working, smart, thoughtful, well reasoned person who was a great example of achieving the american dream. Unfortunately you guys decided the spoiled, aristocrat who's never had to work a day in his life would be a better representation of your values. And now you bitch about it.... Idiots you picked him
I will forever be greatful to 2 excellent high school teachers I had (in public school no less!), 1 in math (pre-calc, calc) and 1 in chemistry (chem1 and chem2AP). They wouldn't let us use calculators for anything, not on tests, not on homework, no where. This forced us to get good at doing all sorts of mathmatics in our heads, and to come up with creative solutions if we couldn't remember the specific function/equation to apply to a problem.
I often times would have to work around some equation I couldn't remember and basically derive the equation from smaller building blocks. This gave me a much greater understanding of the actual processes going on. This kind of problem solving/understanding completely disappears when children can use calculators to simply "get the right answer", but the important thing in the maths and sciences is not necessarily the answer, but the process of getting there, and the ability to problem solve, which has completely disappeared in US middle and high schools.
What do you mean by "full virtualization"? Xen cannot run windows or any other "unmodified" OS as a guest, so I don't think it provides full virtualization at all, to me that means that you can run an unmodified OS as if it were a full x86 system.
Which of course is the point of patents.
Alacritech "invented" the idea, so they get to be the only game in town for 20 years... This is the problem in my mind with software patents (the length of time not the monopoly granted).
Software patents would be fine if they lasted 2 years, maybe 3 at the very most. I feel that software patents don't achieve their purpose of fostering innovation because if I patent process xyz, and no one else can use it except for pay me for it, well, someone is going to figure out how to do xqwz and end up at the same endpoint without violating my patent. So, in short the patent didn't make me any money, it just encouraged reinvention of the wheel, which makes all development slower.
They talked to "IT Managers", at my last job (a midsized company revenues of about 500m/yr) we had 20 servers in the racks, 10 were windows and 10 were linux, and we were migrating everything we could over to linux as quickly as possible, file servers, web servers, intranet, database, the only thing windows was still doing was print servering because our printers didn't have a reliable linux driver...
Anyway, my point is that the IT Manager didn't have a clue what we were running. He said "Make x happen with $y". Often times (we're talking 99-01 here) the $y was prohibitively small to achieve anything with windows... IE, smaller than a single license for windows 2k server. So being good admins and programmers we figured out ways to make x happen without spending any money (or spending very little). This actually was well rewarded in the form of bonuses and stuff (the company was good about taking care of their people). If they called my old IT Manager he said "we're using windows" cause that's whats on his desktop, and he doesn't know the difference between samba, php, apache and windows, asp, and iis. He doesn't see the difference cause we did our jobs right.
If you don't mind me asking where do you live and who is your service provider?
In what state do you live that you get naked dsl? I know Qwest in all the states they operate only offer DSL with analog phone service. I know Verizon doesn't offer naked DSL, SBC doesn't either.. So yeah it sucks that the FCC didn't make the telco's offer naked dsl, but at the same time it doesn't change anything, its just business as usual.
While to a certain extent this is taxation without representation, there is another issue here. I live in Utah but work in Nevada, now I still have to pay Utah taxes because Nevada doesn't have any state taxes.
However, if I was working in Colorado (where they have state taxes) my company would withhold my colorado taxes, and then in Utah I would be able to use the taxes paid to colorado as a tax credit (not a deduction, but a credit meaning if colorado charges 10% tax and utah charges 15% I only have to pay 5% to Utah, cause the full 10% that went to colorado is credited).
I'm not double taxed, I pay exactly what I would if I worked in Utah, so there is no advantage to me to live in Utah and work in Nevada (except that I make more money working in Nevada), but there is a big advantage to my company (they save nearly 4 million a year because there is not corporate income tax in Nevada either).
If the company were forced to withold taxes for each state in which they employed people, it would be a complete nightmare and cost a whole lot more for the company. It makes sense for the company to withold taxes in whatever state they operate. It is the easiest way for the company to operate.
What this should cause is companies to flock to low tax/no tax states like Nevada, Texas, etc.. because no one should pay California, Mass, or NY taxes.
People are just being crybabies. All of the functionality that relies on java is new, and in my opinion non-core. Yes, they need to clean up the menu system so that choices that require java are greyed out if its not available, but 2.0 is worth it just for the ui enhancements and better filters.
Base is a lame Access knockoff that crashes all the time. It won't be stable until OOo 3. And why do we care if we can't use wizards, aren't we always lampooning MS for their endless "wizard to create xyz"?
What now we're mad cause someone used the best language available (to them) to produce some new features? I though FOSS was about choice, but I guess thats only if you pick the language that FOSS condones... You can pick anything as long as its lisp and emacs! Anyway, I'm not a java fanboy, I much prefer python or perl, but java does have its place and there are alot of coders who know it, so now we're saying you can't develop OSS in java.. that's a great stance to take.
Grow up, download the JRE, or don't whatever, I've been running the 2.0 beta since it was released without the JRE and I haven't missed anything, for what I need an office suite for it works great. To be true I did install the JRE to check out Base, but it sucks, and I ditched it after about 10 minutes.
I actually try every release of KDE, I really like KDE as far as look and feel are concerned. I prefer it over gnome, but the whole system feels sluggish to me.
It has been a long time since I ran KDE in gentoo (which a year ago when I was using gentoo, was the fastest I've ever seen KDE run). On my pM 1.86 with 1gb of ram, XFCE 4.2 loads in less than 5 seconds (from hitting enter on the GDM login screen to a usable desktop). KDE 3.3 takes 25-30 on the exact same hardware. Gnome is a little faster but not much 20-25 seconds.
Anyway, I'm sorry it crashed on you, maybe a little too agressive in your optimizations? I've never had an xfce session go down... can't say that about Gnome or KDE.
well I don't want enough libraries to run 90% of software on my servers. I might on my desktop machines though... so I need a system that tells me what is installed and what is not. Having a monolithic system that automatically installs enough libs so that 90% of software runs gets you quickly into the MS security problems.
yeah that move pissed me off a bit :) but as you say its in fedora extras, and xfce has very easy to use graphical installers which have worked flawlessly for me on multiple distros now...
I'm gonna give an amen to that. I moved to Xfce I think in Fedora Core 2 when it was included as a standard desktop option, and i haven't looked back. It is fast, easy to use, small, powerful, I've got gnome and kde libs on my machines to run kde and gnome apps, but I love Xfce all the power of gnome or kde, loads in less than 5 seconds (as opposed to 30+ for either kde or gnome) and uses much less ram. All in all I really like it.
I agree with you that software installation should be much more like OS X. It is the cleanest way to install software. However, I think the largest obstacle to this sort of thing in Linux is that 99% of programs have dependencies, and the program needs a way to check whether software x, y, and z are installed prior to installing itself. This is the facility that package management systems like RPM, apt, emerge, etc provide.
The ability to see if something else is installed and decide what to do based on that is very important in the Linux world. With the OS X way there is no way that program q can tell if it's dependencies x, y, and z are met as you copy q's file over to your Applications directory.
Fink on OS X does it for unix/linux software on OS X (making sure that dependencies are met). Anyway, even Gnome apps have dependencies sometimes on ssl libs, netscape libs, and without a package manager of some sort, you end up with software that won't run.
Thanks for all the information, I didn't use macs until OS X and then still not that often. Anyway, that's fine if there is a ton of prior art. the RFC doesn't exactly qualify as it was written and copyright 2005...
but anyway, I was mis-informed in an MCSE class I took where the instructor said that MS owned the 169.254 address space, sorry about that. I wasn't saying MS owned the technology, just the address space.. but I'm wrong there sorry.
Anyway, my point was just that MS is not in any way trying to "own" the internet, it has nothing to do with ipv6 as everyone was screaming. Let MS and Apple duke it out over the patents, it'll be fun to watch!
Ok, the article, the pubpat guy, the slashdot editors, everyone's missed the boat on this one.
While this patent is not quite brilliant, it's not ipv6, this is a patent on the "automatic addressing" function in windows ME, 2k, xp, etc, where if your network card has link, but can't find a dhcp server the system auto-assigns an address from like a 169 or something subnet that MS owns.
This patent has absolutely nothing to do with ipv6 further, I believe MS was the first to do anything like this, even now they are (unless maybe apple does it now too... but I don't think they do either). Anyway I've never seen the feature actually be useful, mostly it is an annoyance, but it's not ipv6
um..
how does the FP get modded redundant?
hmm,
the only way to degrade VoIP is to increase latency above say 150ms, even then it still works pretty well, but you start having some issues.
In my experience things don't really start to suck until you've got at least 500ms latency... now, if they are going to degrade "everything else" to 500ms latency, they are going to start getting complaints, page loads for example will be dramatically slower, everything will feel extremely slow. Another service which I've noticed seems to be affected by lots of latency is ssl... Might just be on my ISPs network but when they get DOS'd, normal http traffic works fine (although slower), but https traffic totally dies, I think it causes the client and server to miss the handshake timeout or something... Streaming video? forget about it. As you mention, gaming as well would be nigh impossible especially the newer interactive games that use VoIP to allow players to communicate.
Obviously alot of ISP already try to limit hosting servers, this would totally stamp that out, well not really it would just cause a flood of people moving to server-friendly ISPs.
My point is, the level of degredation they would have to cause on their networks to make other VoIP carriers service suck would cause massive problems with all other types of service. They would start losing customers left and right, and in the end would be forced to give up on their VoIP killing spree
Yes, that would be a very effective means to make the traffic get at least as good of service as general net traffic on the connection, which is all vonage et al are getting today.
It would be nice if there was end to end QoS on the net, but that would require such massive cooperation between competing entities that it would basically require gov't intervention to achieve, which I think we all agree would be about the worst thing that could happen (gov't mandating QoS/Encryption/Any standards on the net)
I actually engineer and sell Asterisk boxes to small businesses, providing VoIP inside the office, connecting to the pstn. Our device encrypts all voice traffic on the public internet (between offices, and from remote clients/road warriors).
This article is of course mostly just stupid. Creating a vlan or QoS policy for VoIP will not cause the rest of the traffic to be crappy, not unless at least 50% of their actual traffic is voice traffic and that would require a whole lot of phone calls. VoIP is not really a broadband service per se.. it only takes 64kbps, my dsl service gives me 1.5mbps down and 1mbps up... I'd have to have 10 simultaneous calls up to use 50% of my bandwidth on voice...
Even if this was the case, the ISPs can't let "all other traffic" suffer at the expense of voip, if their voip policies are being so generous to their voip traffic that other voip providers service suffers, guess what, internet traffic in general will be suffering, and people will certainly notice that and complain (Hey, my bittorrent is only downloading at 50Kpbs, it used to get at least 150Kbps... )
Anyway, the article is idiocy, and people who know VoIP know how to secure it, and yes, I would never make a VoIP call over the public net without encryption.
So, no more using AIM for intra/inter office communication...
thought you had a trade secret, oops sorry AOL owns your ass!
thought you had the next big thing, whoops you told your buddy on AIM, now AOL just released it... I've never heard of a worse policy to scare people away from a platform.
ok, we'd be paying a hell of a lot more than 5 cents per song. I pay nearly 10k/mo for my "Internet Service" which would be taxed at 1% under this plan so I'd be paying $100/mo to the music industry because I have a ds3 for my business... and we don't download any music. my company also buys 150-200 computers per year at around 1500 each... thats 2250-3000 more per year, so in the end I'd be paying more per year for "music" than I've spent in the last 10 years combined. This is about the stupidest idea I've ever heard.