Wrong, This is about taking on the Dells/HPs/Gateways of the world. (I being a small OEM computer shop) do what my customers ask, if a customer wants a system with windows, he gets windows, if he wants linux he gets it, if he wants none he gets it, if he wants freebsd he gets it... Most small OEM computer shops do not have contracts with MS, we just get the software wholesale at OEM prices (its not $10, more like $100) but its alot cheaper than retail.
lol, I could have modded you down but I'll comment instead.. You obviously haven't been keeping up with things. SCO/Caldera knew very well that IBM was putting these things in the kernel as early as 2000. They released OpenLinux 4 ranting and raving about the same features you now see them saying were illegally contributed. How can they claim they didn't know when one of the listed features of OpenLinux is JFS?
Only because by default any new user added to the system is admin, and has no password. (it used to be better in 2000, but with XP it is all gone to hell)
Even if IBM did something wrong it doesn't mean anything for linux, IBM would simply pay some billions to SCO and live for linux would go on...
And that is a very unlikely worst case.....
I really doubt it... if IBM has to pay billions, Linux will be dead. the 2.4 2.5 and 2.6 kernels will be illegal, development will have to go back to 2.2, and Linus will have to find all new developers to re-create the same technology in a clean room. SCO would be so emboldened by a win against IBM, (not to mention their billion dollar war chest) RedHat, Suse, Connectiva, Mandrake would all receive cease and desist orders the very next day, and lawsuits would be filed probably the same afternoon. I wouldn't be suprised of SCO already has all of the lawsuits printed out just waiting to go to the courts as soon as they get any sort of money from IBM (settlement or otherwise). SCO will kill linux, or they will be killed, one of the two will cease to exist as a result of this suit.
What linux techies do you know that go to their local compusa and buy their distros there? I don't know anyone who has every purchased a boxed linux distro. Everyone just downloads the ISO's so the retail boxes are a complete waste of money.
were you alive in the late 70's early 80's?? IBM tried to own the PC architecture, if it weren't for hackers at compaq (very terrible company now, but they had there place then) reverse engineering the PC BIOS we would all be paying taxes to IBM for all of the hardware. IBM tried to do the exact same thing that Microsoft does now, with the hardware, so don't say they've never done anything evil
This is a funny post. I think I remember hearing lots of similar sentiment about the internet in 94-95. "What email? what's that for? who needs it who will ever us that?". "Chat rooms? What a waste of time." (precursor to IM, still arguably a waste of time, but I know it saves the company I work for thousands in phone bills, and many hours in productivity). When people walk out and make claims like this, it is a big sign that what they are claiming is useless is probably the NBT
Windows XP by default comes with no user passwords and a simple click to log in with multiple users, and if there is only 1 user default is no login, it simply goes straight to the desktop. OS X is exactly the same. Granted most computer users who have a computer at work running win2k or XP will have a log in, but the default setting in XP and OS X is to act as if there are no users and no passwords. These things can be turned on in Linux, but you have to know where to go/what to do, joe user doesn't like having to log in.
That site could have been designed by 1 person in about 2 days... so unless the "design team" has some serious multiple personality disorder, I wouldn't see how there would be much arguing...
A possible scenario in which SCO doesn't spend millions on the prosecution:
David Boies is their lead counsel. He is already a very rich man. Say he took this case on a contingency basis, just for fun? (for those who don't know this is how personal injury lawyers work, it means the attorney doesn't collect until/if the client collects) Say he's working for 40% of the settlement/court decision if SCO wins. Thats what 1.3 billion now? If I was convinced SCO had a case, I would spend a couple years working contingency for the possibility of a 1.3 billion dollar payout. Even if it settles for much lower (say 500 million) thats still 200 million to Boies. The point I'm making is if this case is being run this way, it will be very cheap for SCO.
Who is to say that after Caldera bought SCO's IP the coders at Caldera didn't get a little over-zealous and steal the system V that they owned into linux to speed up linux devel. I knew a law student that worked at caldera 2 years ago. (A full two years ago!) And she was saying then (2 years ago), that everyone better watch out because SCO/Caldera had something huge on the horizion. I wouldn't doubt at all that they took the code, droped it into Linux, to then turn around and sue the world for using it illegally. There is no way to prove who actually dropped the code in, it very well could have been Caldera programmers.
Ok, now maybe all of us slashdotters combined can't do much.. but there are 250,000 of us or so right? what if we all instead of donating thousands to Linus' defence fund what if we all take that money and short SCO's stock?? Can we make a difference are there enough of us to "slashdot" their share price? If we can drive their stock price to nothing, get all of the institutional buyers to sell it, hell we could make ourselves money while driving the company's net worth to $0. It would be fun to slashdot a stock. heck we did it to their conference call.
They stopped distributing linux nearly 2 months after they announced the IBM lawsuit, and furthermore, you can still obtain a copy of linux from their servers at ftp.caldera.com... so inactuality they have not stopped distributing it yet.
are you high? plants produce O2 they are certainly NET producers of O2. when plants *CONSUME* the products of their photosynthesis the product is O2 you nut.
I disagree with that, I handle off-site disk to disk backups for a few small companies, (a total of about 200GB of data), they have onsite disk backups, but for offsite, they sync to my servers, the bandwidth cost to me is nil, I pay a flat rate for bandwidth... so the latter doesn't get pricey quick...
Granted its due to technical difficulties, but everyone and their mom claimed first post on this one... maybe this thread wins for most every negative OT moderation??
because the editors don't actually read the articles, they just look for the most inflamatory headlines they can find (just like any good editor) and post those...
I am currently working with a large master planned community they are running fiber to every home, and they are delivering phone/internet/tv/movies on demand to every home over the single fiber link. The ability to run everything over 1 cable is a very large benefit... I would pay $80 per month to have these services all bundled together... and at this community they are only charging $35/mo per house.. its great.
the 1 day every year that nerds throughout the world refuse to acknowledge that actual news might happen, and decide to just play jokes on each other all day...
The BBC saying that the coalition is taking "heavy losses for small gains" is not objective reporting. the US has lost 24 soldiers and has gained a large portion of Iraqi territory, and has killed at least 1000 Iraqi soldiers, (fox is reporting something like 35,000 dead Iraqis, but I don't buy that at all) but the 3ID estimates that it has killed 800 Iraqis at the cost of 1 American... how is that heavy losses for small gains??!!
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Wrong,
This is about taking on the Dells/HPs/Gateways of the world. (I being a small OEM computer shop) do what my customers ask, if a customer wants a system with windows, he gets windows, if he wants linux he gets it, if he wants none he gets it, if he wants freebsd he gets it... Most small OEM computer shops do not have contracts with MS, we just get the software wholesale at OEM prices (its not $10, more like $100) but its alot cheaper than retail.
Well,
installing Linux shows a great propensity towards jumping through hoops... so I would argue a high percentage.
lol, I could have modded you down but I'll comment instead..
You obviously haven't been keeping up with things. SCO/Caldera knew very well that IBM was putting these things in the kernel as early as 2000. They released OpenLinux 4 ranting and raving about the same features you now see them saying were illegally contributed. How can they claim they didn't know when one of the listed features of OpenLinux is JFS?
Only because by default any new user added to the system is admin, and has no password.
(it used to be better in 2000, but with XP it is all gone to hell)
Even if IBM did something wrong it doesn't mean anything for linux, IBM would simply pay some billions to SCO and live for linux would go on... And that is a very unlikely worst case..... I really doubt it... if IBM has to pay billions, Linux will be dead. the 2.4 2.5 and 2.6 kernels will be illegal, development will have to go back to 2.2, and Linus will have to find all new developers to re-create the same technology in a clean room. SCO would be so emboldened by a win against IBM, (not to mention their billion dollar war chest) RedHat, Suse, Connectiva, Mandrake would all receive cease and desist orders the very next day, and lawsuits would be filed probably the same afternoon. I wouldn't be suprised of SCO already has all of the lawsuits printed out just waiting to go to the courts as soon as they get any sort of money from IBM (settlement or otherwise). SCO will kill linux, or they will be killed, one of the two will cease to exist as a result of this suit.
Because no one will every be able to find that code snippet in Windows, (maybe this is what microsoft means by security through obscurity?)
What linux techies do you know that go to their local compusa and buy their distros there?
I don't know anyone who has every purchased a boxed linux distro. Everyone just downloads the ISO's so the retail boxes are a complete waste of money.
were you alive in the late 70's early 80's??
IBM tried to own the PC architecture, if it weren't for hackers at compaq (very terrible company now, but they had there place then) reverse engineering the PC BIOS we would all be paying taxes to IBM for all of the hardware. IBM tried to do the exact same thing that Microsoft does now, with the hardware, so don't say they've never done anything evil
This is a funny post.
I think I remember hearing lots of similar sentiment about the internet in 94-95. "What email? what's that for? who needs it who will ever us that?". "Chat rooms? What a waste of time." (precursor to IM, still arguably a waste of time, but I know it saves the company I work for thousands in phone bills, and many hours in productivity). When people walk out and make claims like this, it is a big sign that what they are claiming is useless is probably the NBT
Windows XP by default comes with no user passwords and a simple click to log in with multiple users, and if there is only 1 user default is no login, it simply goes straight to the desktop. OS X is exactly the same. Granted most computer users who have a computer at work running win2k or XP will have a log in, but the default setting in XP and OS X is to act as if there are no users and no passwords. These things can be turned on in Linux, but you have to know where to go/what to do, joe user doesn't like having to log in.
That site could have been designed by 1 person in about 2 days... so unless the "design team" has some serious multiple personality disorder, I wouldn't see how there would be much arguing...
not unless they've got a cluster of about 100 2 way 3.06ghz xeon boxes running it...
well all I can say is I'm glad I own stock in MU. :) have a nice day
A possible scenario in which SCO doesn't spend millions on the prosecution:
David Boies is their lead counsel. He is already a very rich man. Say he took this case on a contingency basis, just for fun? (for those who don't know this is how personal injury lawyers work, it means the attorney doesn't collect until/if the client collects) Say he's working for 40% of the settlement/court decision if SCO wins. Thats what 1.3 billion now? If I was convinced SCO had a case, I would spend a couple years working contingency for the possibility of a 1.3 billion dollar payout. Even if it settles for much lower (say 500 million) thats still 200 million to Boies. The point I'm making is if this case is being run this way, it will be very cheap for SCO.
except that ibm is down ytd, and sco is up almost 250%...
go figure
Who is to say that after Caldera bought SCO's IP the coders at Caldera didn't get a little over-zealous and steal the system V that they owned into linux to speed up linux devel. I knew a law student that worked at caldera 2 years ago. (A full two years ago!) And she was saying then (2 years ago), that everyone better watch out because SCO/Caldera had something huge on the horizion. I wouldn't doubt at all that they took the code, droped it into Linux, to then turn around and sue the world for using it illegally. There is no way to prove who actually dropped the code in, it very well could have been Caldera programmers.
Ok, now maybe all of us slashdotters combined can't do much.. but there are 250,000 of us or so right? what if we all instead of donating thousands to Linus' defence fund what if we all take that money and short SCO's stock?? Can we make a difference are there enough of us to "slashdot" their share price? If we can drive their stock price to nothing, get all of the institutional buyers to sell it, hell we could make ourselves money while driving the company's net worth to $0. It would be fun to slashdot a stock. heck we did it to their conference call.
They stopped distributing linux nearly 2 months after they announced the IBM lawsuit, and furthermore, you can still obtain a copy of linux from their servers at ftp.caldera.com... so inactuality they have not stopped distributing it yet.
are you high?
plants produce O2
they are certainly NET producers of O2.
when plants *CONSUME* the products of their photosynthesis the product is O2 you nut.
I disagree with that,
I handle off-site disk to disk backups for a few small companies, (a total of about 200GB of data), they have onsite disk backups, but for offsite, they sync to my servers, the bandwidth cost to me is nil, I pay a flat rate for bandwidth... so the latter doesn't get pricey quick...
Granted its due to technical difficulties,
but everyone and their mom claimed first post on this one...
maybe this thread wins for most every negative OT moderation??
because the editors don't actually read the articles, they just look for the most inflamatory headlines they can find (just like any good editor) and post those...
I am currently working with a large master planned community they are running fiber to every home, and they are delivering phone/internet/tv/movies on demand to every home over the single fiber link. The ability to run everything over 1 cable is a very large benefit... I would pay $80 per month to have these services all bundled together... and at this community they are only charging $35/mo per house.. its great.
the 1 day every year that nerds throughout the world refuse to acknowledge that actual news might happen, and decide to just play jokes on each other all day...
The BBC saying that the coalition is taking "heavy losses for small gains" is not objective reporting.
the US has lost 24 soldiers and has gained a large portion of Iraqi territory, and has killed at least 1000 Iraqi soldiers, (fox is reporting something like 35,000 dead Iraqis, but I don't buy that at all) but the 3ID estimates that it has killed 800 Iraqis at the cost of 1 American... how is that heavy losses for small gains??!!