What do you think caused all the other apocalypse scares we've been enduring since the beginning of time? What made them all wrong, but this one is right for realzy-realz this time guise!
Do you have any stats for the demographics of the viewership of the shows, though? Ratings are what keep shows on the air. What's the breakdown by race and gender of the people watching at home?
Perhaps YOU are the snowflake that wants to be pandered to.
Yes. Lots of things that used to pander to me, like comic books, they replaced with stuff that panders to someone else and changed the plots to revolve around how people like me are evil. So I don't really want to buy them so much any more. Escapism shouldn't be masochism.
I don't expect feminist power fantasy shows to have plots about how feminists are bitchy man haters. I don't expect black power fantasy shows to have plots about how blacks are lazy and stupid. When my white male nerd power fantasy show has the white male nerds replaced with black women, it kind of makes me wonder what the plots are going to be like. If it fits the recent patterns of formerly geek-oriented comics and movies, it's going to be full of snarky asides about how awful people like me are, and I'm probably not going to want to watch it. I'll give Discovery a shot because Star Trek, but my expectations are low because Hollywood SJWs.
I'm just talking about the show demographics. It doesn't matter who goes to conventions. What matters is people turning on the TV to watch a Star Trek show every week.
What's the demographics of the target audience of Star Trek Discovery?
Traditionally I'm pretty sure Star Trek TV show viewers skewed heavily white and male. If that hasn't changed, then are those white males going to identify enough with the diverse cast to keep them tuning in?
If the target demographic has a different make up, is the number of people in that demographic that would watch a sci-fi TV show large enough to keep the show on the air?
You're mostly talking about aliens. As far as I can tell, in the entire Star Trek universe, Chakotay was the only religious human. And his religion was lame. I'm not even sure it counts as a "religion" so much as "I'm holding on to some neat stories from my distant ancestors but don't really believe in any of this spirit crap."
Remember, Starfleet is an organization working for the Federation government, which takes queues from the principles of the US government where church and state are kept separate.
Starfleet is also a pseudo-military organization, if not in name then in practice. The military isn't your liberalized college campus. It's not about building a home here. It's out there to do its job, and its job doesn't/isn't supposed to involve religion.
But there's chaplains for every faith in the military. So if Star Fleet were like the modern military, there would still be a chapel and a chaplain on the Enterprise.
Regardless, all I'm saying is the argument that humans in Star Trek wouldn't have religion because religion is irrational isn't a good argument because they wouldn't have their irrational "life is precious" values or the Prime Directive if they were purely rational. Hell, believing "life is precious just because" is less rational than believing "life is precious because God."
No. It's be great to have sci-fi shows about science, exploring strange new worlds, meeting weird new aliens, and not having to think, at all about current race/sex politics. I need neither SJW shit nor anti-SJW shit in my Star Treks.
However, I think it's quite a leap for so many people to be saying it's all about race and gender when a single episode hasn't even aired yet.
But we can also notice patterns in Hollywood writing. Marvel (comics not movies), Star Wars, Ghostbusters, etc. Nerd franchise + shit writing + diverse cast + "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS YOU'RE RACIST" marketing. Over and over and over again.
If Star Trek Discovery has decent writing and a plot and isn't full of heavy handed references to the race/gender make up of the cast it will be breaking the pattern. I'm not saying it's a duck, but it's looking like a duck and it's walking like a duck, and when it comes out we'll see how it quacks.
They believe lots of things that are not rational, like "all life is precious." That's a transcendent religious belief that you cannot derive rationally. There's nothing irrational about naked self-interest in which my tribe of humans murders or enslaves opposing tribes of humans (or non-humans). Secular humanists (both modern and on Star Trek) also believe in irrational things, so belief in a different religion isn't that much more irrational than the other irrational things they do. At least it might be interesting to have some kind of diversity of thought among the humans on Star Trek. Just about every Star Fleet human believes exactly the same things.
Also, in Star Trek V I'm pretty sure the "god" in the center of the galaxy was pretending to be God after the fact. The concept of God on earth didn't come from the space monster thousands of years ago. I can pretend to be God right now...that doesn't mean ~meta-monkey caused humans to come up with the concept of God.
They "could" do lots of things. They "could" make every HTTP request return goatse. There have been no rules against the things you describe since the beginning of the internet, and no one has ever bothered to do them. Which indicates to me that no one wants to do them. So there's probably nothing to worry about.
For star trek, the audience is global, and at the very least both men and women are strongly represented.
So the stereotype of Star Trek fans being white male basement dwelling virgins is false? It's actually all the colors of the rainbow equally represented? Huh. Today I learned.
Which is what they did with Cisco and Janeway. The shows were never about how he was black or she was a woman. Geordi never had to give a speech about how he was discriminated against because "no negroes can engineer spaceships!" He was just the ship's engineer and nobody cared about his race.
The idea that nerds are especially racist or sexist is retarded. Nerds were watching all these shows and had no problem with strong independent women like Ripley or blacks in authority like Cisco for decades before wearing your tolerance on your sleeve became fashionable. Then the normies suddenly got their paws all over the franchises, make them shit because of the writing and the plots, shoehorn in "diversity" and then when the nerds complain "this is a bad show" they accuse us of racism and sexism.
It's just more nerd bullying. When we were watching shows about space and aliens with a diverse cast 20 years ago, they were pushing us into lockers for liking all that nerd shit. Now they've taken over all the nerd shit, made it crappy, and are bullying us for not liking it. The one constant is you can heap any amount of abuse you want on low social value males.
But the Star Trek audience is white male nerds. Who would watch this show? When the writers have gone out of their way to explicitly exclude stand-ins for the main audience in the cast, and then probably shoehorn in random digs at the white male nerd audience? When did escapism become masochism?
but the whole cultural/religious angle felt too forced.
Here's some diversity that might actually make for an interesting character on STar Trek: human characters that aren't all atheists/agnostics. Give me a Catholic science officer. Or maybe the weapons officer is a muslim and he goes Space Jihad on fuckers.
Look at the leads in the last two Star Wars movies, they were both white, and both built up as perfect Mary-Sues, they could do no wrong.
Because they were women, and a female character with X character flaw is proof the writers believe all women have X character flaw. This also made the movies boring. See Galbrush Threepwood.
The problem isn't diversity, it's when diversity becomes the replacement for the plot. And the marketing department knows it. If the movie's funny, push the funny. If it sucks, push the diversity. And they do it. The female ghostbusters movie was shit because the jokes were awful or non-existent. Replace the female cast with a male cast and it would still be awful. But when people pointed out that it was awful, the studio and their media whores pushed the "if you don't like this garbage it's because you hate women" narrative.
We've been told over and over again that we need diverse role models in entertainment, because minority youth can't relate to the white hero on screen. So we need black heroes for blacks, and female heroes for girls. Since I'm a white male, I can't relate so well to the struggles of the strong independent black and asian wymynz running the spaceship, so I probably won't find it interesting. This show is not directed at me, it's directed at the little black and asian girls who want to fly a spaceship, and I'm fine with that. They will watch it (or not), and I'll watch something else. Not everything has to be made for me.
For Marvel, they don't care. They make so much money off the movies the comics are a rounding error.
Still, it's insane when they're shitting on their fans. Nobody wants to buy stories to be preached at. Everything else is already preaching at us. "Gee, the 20,000 hours of anti-racist anti-sexist indoctrination in school, the constant preachiness of every show on TV and the nightly news and my own life experiences didn't do anything to temper my irrational hatred for asians, but now that the Hulk is a Korean guy my racist days are over!"
Showing women (and scapegoated minorities) fighting to regain rights they know their ancestors had, in a Cold War-esque paranoid society with the general population trying to return to peace while the leaders and military know war looms and want to crack down on social progress to maintain control in the name of survival... there's so much material there. Plenty of which that would be a great analogue for the problems of today.
Except no one would watch it. The audience of Star Trek is white male nerds. They want shows about exploring the galaxy and science and aliens, and yeah a few episodes a season do some kind of social commentary thing. But when absolutely everything else in school, the HR department at work, the nightly news is RACE RACE RACE GENDER GENDER GENDER GAY SHIT GAY SHIT STRONG INDEPENDENT BLACK WYMYNZ WHAT DON'T NEED NO MANS they kind of don't want to see that shit in Star Trek. Star Trek is the escape from all that. So, you can make SJW Trek, but nobody's going to watch it. And then it'll fail, and HuffPo will right nasty articles about how racist and sexist white men are because they didn't want to watch a show about how racist and sexist white men are...IN SPACE.
So you start with talking about how the Bible only covers humans and bigfoot and aliens aren't human, and then immediately proceed to talk about human dominion over animals. Can you spot the logical flaw here? CHECKMATE THEISTS!
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I'm just wondering if anyone will watch the show.
Except comic book sales are in the toilet. So if capitalism is to blame, it's capitalism done very poorly.
What do you think caused all the other apocalypse scares we've been enduring since the beginning of time? What made them all wrong, but this one is right for realzy-realz this time guise!
Do you have any stats for the demographics of the viewership of the shows, though? Ratings are what keep shows on the air. What's the breakdown by race and gender of the people watching at home?
Perhaps YOU are the snowflake that wants to be pandered to.
Yes. Lots of things that used to pander to me, like comic books, they replaced with stuff that panders to someone else and changed the plots to revolve around how people like me are evil. So I don't really want to buy them so much any more. Escapism shouldn't be masochism.
I don't expect feminist power fantasy shows to have plots about how feminists are bitchy man haters. I don't expect black power fantasy shows to have plots about how blacks are lazy and stupid. When my white male nerd power fantasy show has the white male nerds replaced with black women, it kind of makes me wonder what the plots are going to be like. If it fits the recent patterns of formerly geek-oriented comics and movies, it's going to be full of snarky asides about how awful people like me are, and I'm probably not going to want to watch it. I'll give Discovery a shot because Star Trek, but my expectations are low because Hollywood SJWs.
I'm just talking about the show demographics. It doesn't matter who goes to conventions. What matters is people turning on the TV to watch a Star Trek show every week.
What's the demographics of the target audience of Star Trek Discovery?
Traditionally I'm pretty sure Star Trek TV show viewers skewed heavily white and male. If that hasn't changed, then are those white males going to identify enough with the diverse cast to keep them tuning in?
If the target demographic has a different make up, is the number of people in that demographic that would watch a sci-fi TV show large enough to keep the show on the air?
You're mostly talking about aliens. As far as I can tell, in the entire Star Trek universe, Chakotay was the only religious human. And his religion was lame. I'm not even sure it counts as a "religion" so much as "I'm holding on to some neat stories from my distant ancestors but don't really believe in any of this spirit crap."
Remember, Starfleet is an organization working for the Federation government, which takes queues from the principles of the US government where church and state are kept separate.
Starfleet is also a pseudo-military organization, if not in name then in practice. The military isn't your liberalized college campus. It's not about building a home here. It's out there to do its job, and its job doesn't/isn't supposed to involve religion.
But there's chaplains for every faith in the military. So if Star Fleet were like the modern military, there would still be a chapel and a chaplain on the Enterprise.
Regardless, all I'm saying is the argument that humans in Star Trek wouldn't have religion because religion is irrational isn't a good argument because they wouldn't have their irrational "life is precious" values or the Prime Directive if they were purely rational. Hell, believing "life is precious just because" is less rational than believing "life is precious because God."
Not if you mean a human raping a bigfoot, as the Bible does have passages about bestiality.
But does bigfoot count as an animal if it's sentient? What about sentient aliens? Not human and not beast. Sounds like a license to rape to me.
is the human then guilty for failing to not get raped?
Only if the human likes it.
Regardless, we really need to Vatican to weigh in on all this.
No. It's be great to have sci-fi shows about science, exploring strange new worlds, meeting weird new aliens, and not having to think, at all about current race/sex politics. I need neither SJW shit nor anti-SJW shit in my Star Treks.
So what you're saying is, it's okay to rape bigfoot?
However, I think it's quite a leap for so many people to be saying it's all about race and gender when a single episode hasn't even aired yet.
But we can also notice patterns in Hollywood writing. Marvel (comics not movies), Star Wars, Ghostbusters, etc. Nerd franchise + shit writing + diverse cast + "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS YOU'RE RACIST" marketing. Over and over and over again.
If Star Trek Discovery has decent writing and a plot and isn't full of heavy handed references to the race/gender make up of the cast it will be breaking the pattern. I'm not saying it's a duck, but it's looking like a duck and it's walking like a duck, and when it comes out we'll see how it quacks.
They believe lots of things that are not rational, like "all life is precious." That's a transcendent religious belief that you cannot derive rationally. There's nothing irrational about naked self-interest in which my tribe of humans murders or enslaves opposing tribes of humans (or non-humans). Secular humanists (both modern and on Star Trek) also believe in irrational things, so belief in a different religion isn't that much more irrational than the other irrational things they do. At least it might be interesting to have some kind of diversity of thought among the humans on Star Trek. Just about every Star Fleet human believes exactly the same things.
Also, in Star Trek V I'm pretty sure the "god" in the center of the galaxy was pretending to be God after the fact. The concept of God on earth didn't come from the space monster thousands of years ago. I can pretend to be God right now...that doesn't mean ~meta-monkey caused humans to come up with the concept of God.
They "could" do lots of things. They "could" make every HTTP request return goatse. There have been no rules against the things you describe since the beginning of the internet, and no one has ever bothered to do them. Which indicates to me that no one wants to do them. So there's probably nothing to worry about.
For star trek, the audience is global, and at the very least both men and women are strongly represented.
So the stereotype of Star Trek fans being white male basement dwelling virgins is false? It's actually all the colors of the rainbow equally represented? Huh. Today I learned.
Which is what they did with Cisco and Janeway. The shows were never about how he was black or she was a woman. Geordi never had to give a speech about how he was discriminated against because "no negroes can engineer spaceships!" He was just the ship's engineer and nobody cared about his race.
The idea that nerds are especially racist or sexist is retarded. Nerds were watching all these shows and had no problem with strong independent women like Ripley or blacks in authority like Cisco for decades before wearing your tolerance on your sleeve became fashionable. Then the normies suddenly got their paws all over the franchises, make them shit because of the writing and the plots, shoehorn in "diversity" and then when the nerds complain "this is a bad show" they accuse us of racism and sexism.
It's just more nerd bullying. When we were watching shows about space and aliens with a diverse cast 20 years ago, they were pushing us into lockers for liking all that nerd shit. Now they've taken over all the nerd shit, made it crappy, and are bullying us for not liking it. The one constant is you can heap any amount of abuse you want on low social value males.
What's the demographics of the audience though? What's the demographics of slashdot?
What's the demographics of the target audience though?
But the Star Trek audience is white male nerds. Who would watch this show? When the writers have gone out of their way to explicitly exclude stand-ins for the main audience in the cast, and then probably shoehorn in random digs at the white male nerd audience? When did escapism become masochism?
but the whole cultural/religious angle felt too forced.
Here's some diversity that might actually make for an interesting character on STar Trek: human characters that aren't all atheists/agnostics. Give me a Catholic science officer. Or maybe the weapons officer is a muslim and he goes Space Jihad on fuckers.
Look at the leads in the last two Star Wars movies, they were both white, and both built up as perfect Mary-Sues, they could do no wrong.
Because they were women, and a female character with X character flaw is proof the writers believe all women have X character flaw. This also made the movies boring. See Galbrush Threepwood.
The problem isn't diversity, it's when diversity becomes the replacement for the plot. And the marketing department knows it. If the movie's funny, push the funny. If it sucks, push the diversity. And they do it. The female ghostbusters movie was shit because the jokes were awful or non-existent. Replace the female cast with a male cast and it would still be awful. But when people pointed out that it was awful, the studio and their media whores pushed the "if you don't like this garbage it's because you hate women" narrative.
We've been told over and over again that we need diverse role models in entertainment, because minority youth can't relate to the white hero on screen. So we need black heroes for blacks, and female heroes for girls. Since I'm a white male, I can't relate so well to the struggles of the strong independent black and asian wymynz running the spaceship, so I probably won't find it interesting. This show is not directed at me, it's directed at the little black and asian girls who want to fly a spaceship, and I'm fine with that. They will watch it (or not), and I'll watch something else. Not everything has to be made for me.
For Marvel, they don't care. They make so much money off the movies the comics are a rounding error.
Still, it's insane when they're shitting on their fans. Nobody wants to buy stories to be preached at. Everything else is already preaching at us. "Gee, the 20,000 hours of anti-racist anti-sexist indoctrination in school, the constant preachiness of every show on TV and the nightly news and my own life experiences didn't do anything to temper my irrational hatred for asians, but now that the Hulk is a Korean guy my racist days are over!"
And the security chief is a boy named Sue.
Showing women (and scapegoated minorities) fighting to regain rights they know their ancestors had, in a Cold War-esque paranoid society with the general population trying to return to peace while the leaders and military know war looms and want to crack down on social progress to maintain control in the name of survival... there's so much material there. Plenty of which that would be a great analogue for the problems of today.
Except no one would watch it. The audience of Star Trek is white male nerds. They want shows about exploring the galaxy and science and aliens, and yeah a few episodes a season do some kind of social commentary thing. But when absolutely everything else in school, the HR department at work, the nightly news is RACE RACE RACE GENDER GENDER GENDER GAY SHIT GAY SHIT STRONG INDEPENDENT BLACK WYMYNZ WHAT DON'T NEED NO MANS they kind of don't want to see that shit in Star Trek. Star Trek is the escape from all that. So, you can make SJW Trek, but nobody's going to watch it. And then it'll fail, and HuffPo will right nasty articles about how racist and sexist white men are because they didn't want to watch a show about how racist and sexist white men are...IN SPACE.
So you start with talking about how the Bible only covers humans and bigfoot and aliens aren't human, and then immediately proceed to talk about human dominion over animals. Can you spot the logical flaw here? CHECKMATE THEISTS!