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Justice Department Appoints Former FBI Director Robert Mueller As Special Counsel For Russia Investigation (thehill.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Hill: The Justice Department has appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate Russia's involvement in the U.S. election. Mueller, a former prosecutor who served a 12-year term at the helm of the bureau, has accepted the position, according to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. "In my capacity as acting attorney general I determined that it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authority and appoint a special counsel to assume responsibility for the matter," Rosenstein said in a statement. "My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted. I have made no such determination. What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command." UPDATE: President Trump has released a statement: "As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know -- there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity. I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country."
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We didn't know the extent of the Nixon atrocities until more than a year after the break in. It's quite likely lots of evidence exists, but is being used in an ongoing investigation and will not be disclosed publically anytime soon. If trump asked Comey to back of Flynn, and we know he admitted to firing Comey over Russia issues, that is likely enough on its own. Not to mention the overwhelming list that grows by the day. If we see Paul Ryan buckle, it's all over.
A special Counsel is not the same as a special investigator. He does not have the power to investigate, just determine if there is evidence of wrong doing.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Trump is a stupid helpless infantile bastard. Stick a fork in him. He is DONE. What a goddam disappointment.
Yep - putting classified data on an insecure server in your basement is a felony.
The law doesn't require malice - just negligence.
I don't believe there is any "Deep State" but if there is any this is evidence that it is composed primarily of people who care more about the rule of law than partisan politics. I for one welcome our globalist overlords.
of this yet. He'll have a hard uphill battle.
The existing FBI investigation will continue (just as it was going to anyway), and we'll have yet ANOTHER person echoing the multiple agency heads and senior legislators (from both parties) who have after months of investigations repeated that there is no evidence of any collusion.
Mueller is tasked with looking into "Russian attempts to influence the election," a given - something they've always done, and continue to do in elections all around the world. That's not the same as the thing that political partisans on the left are attempting to conflate with it, which is their narrative that somehow the campaign was involved in that - again, something for which there appears to be zero evidence, as has been authoritatively said multiple times by people in the know from multiple angles. The question is whether or not Mueller will be re-hashing the ten months of investigations already conducted by multiple entities. Note that this is NOT a special prosecutor. This is a special counsel, and setting up somebody in that role doesn't indicate any awareness that there is something to prosecute (the statement from the DoJ AD explicitly says this is not a finding that there is even anything prosecutable). More like a chance to finally settle the dust on this after ten months of FBI investigation and shut down the unhinged narratives being bandied about by people who don't even seem to understand the constitution.
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Do you really need to have it explained why this in the stuff that matters category?
All right, dammit. LINUXGUIWAREZ. Go back to sleep.
Whatever the Democrats may be screaming, it's irrelevant to this. The Republicans control Congress. It's in their hands, and thus far every attempt they've made to support Trump has been thrown back in their face by his inability to keep his mouth shut. For chrissakes, the man is such an arrogant blowhard he was showing off to the fucking Russians in the Oval Office with a Russian journalist in the room. Whether he let slip any classified data or not, the fact is not only has he once again, within the space of a few days, made himself look like a big mouthed ass, he's now pissing off Israel, which means Israel and other allies, not to mention the State Department itself, are going to start holding crucial intelligence closer to their chests lest the Braggart-in-chief decide to show off to any other foreign powers.
Don't you see that it is Trump himself that is going to be forcing Republican lawmakers' hands? The opposing minority party always makes frequent demands for removals and impeachments and judicial proceedings. Christ, that's been the way Washington has worked since the day after George Washington walked off into the sunset. The difference here is that this is a man who seems bound and determined to make his supporters and allies look like idiots, and seems to want to hand his opponents, both Democrat AND Republican (because he has no lack of critics in the GOP) all the ammunition they could ever need.
At this point you even have some Democratic strategists hoping he doesn't get impeached and removed, because the longer he's in the White House, the worse the Republicans look.
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He was chosen as G.W.B.'s attorney general on 09/04/2001, so he has a hot week in office before the WTC fell.
Director Mueller, along with Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, threatened to resign from office in March 2004 if the White House overruled a Department of Justice finding that domestic wiretapping without a court warrant was unconstitutional.
Obama kept him on for two years after he was elected, and Comey was not only his assistant, but his successor.
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The Democrats have been screaming "Russians!" since the election, even though there's no evidence that Russia had any influence in the way it turned out.
I believe part of the reason they keep blaming the Russians is because they fear we'll find out who actually had Seth Rich murdered. Julian Assange himself said the Russians didn't give him the emails, and Wikileaks has offered a $20K reward to solve the case.
Trump is a blowhard who is full of himself, but he's no evil politician making nefarious plans to take over the world. Only skillful, corrupt politicians could plan something like what's going on now - the overthrow of an elected President.
You say there's no evidence that Russia had any influence in the way it turned out, but that's simply not true according to both the FBI and the CIA. They may not have directly hacked into the voting machines or whatnot and changed counts but they are suspected by both the FBI and CIA of hacking into the DNC's emails and releasing them, an event which undoubtedly did at least something towards the election. You are also insinuating that there is somebody behind the scenes trying to overthrow the president, which is simply conspiracy theory with no consequential evidence to back it up.
even though there's no evidence that Russia had any influence in the way it turned out.
That's a lie.
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Slashdot needs to start charging all the Russian paid sills for access. The profits would be Yuge.
I'd also like to say that the CIA has directly and explicitly stated that they have high confidence that Russia had both intent and success with interfering in the election. Here is the excerpt:
"Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression
of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these
activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort
compared to previous operations.
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US
presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,
denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess
Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We
have high confidence in these judgments"
and here is the link to the report: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
If you can respond to this I'll be impressed
I would agree it was just Democrats shouting in the dark... if there didn't keep being problems. See here's the thing: The issue isn't with the e-mail leaks. That's not what is being talked about, it is if any of Trump's associates had illegal ties to the Russians and more importantly if Trump tried to cover it up.
Trump was told that Flynn was likely compromised and he shouldn't hire him. Had he not, well that story would end there. But he did hire him. He then pressured the FBI director to drop the investigation in to Flynn, and only fired Flynn when it leaked that he had this conflict of interest. He then implied the problem, and the reason he fired Flynn, was the leak not the compromise. Then he later fired the FBI director which his people claimed was related to the e-mails but he came out and said was because of the Russia investigation.
Guess what? That shit starts to look a lot like obstruction of justice. That's why this thing continues to have legs.
Oh an impeachment of a president? That's not "corrupt politicians" "overthrow[ing] of an elected President," it is constitutional, and is what is supposed to happen if the president breaks the law. Article one section 1 states that "The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment." Article two section four states "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
So ya, if it turns out he obstructed justice, which you'd need an investigation to determine (and that is what is going on), accepted bribes, or other illegal acts then the House would be within its constitutional power to impeach him and the Senate to try him. That's not some covert scheme to subvert the Constitution, it is written right in the original text.
"Julian Assange himself said the Russians didn't give him the emails"
MY SIDES!
Well if Julian said it it must be true right?
My prediction is that, while Trump remains popular amongst people who voted for him, he will be safe from impeachment. Impeachment would likely turn these voters against the Republicans.
But once his base starts to turn away from supporting him, then impeachment becomes likely as Trump will be a liability to the Republicans instead of an asset.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Democrats are screaming about impeachment, this will be the Nth time a link to Russia isn't found... how foolish can a party look?
If Putin didn't tamper with voting machines then thanking him for President Trump's victory doesn't make much sense.
Trump didn't write that tweet, it is a boilerplate politician statement. He doesn't tweet like that.
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...and who are all these interested non-geeks posting about it on Slashdot!!?!
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Since every administration from Nixon onward has had a special counsel/investigator/prosecutor of some kind, I'd say this is fairly normal.
Does it matter much? Not really. A lot of people will blow smoke, other people will get enraged, and nothing will change anyway.
Why - because even if Trump is removed, or resigns, prior to 2020 Republicans still hold the presidency. Whether they will after 2020 is speculative, but that will depend if the Democrats decide to run another geriatric narcissist instead of a serious candidate.
If you want the White House back, the person running should not have been born before 1960 and better not be another Clinton or Kennedy relative.
And the Democrats can be ignored since they hold virtually no power in the government. Republicans could bury whatever whining the Democrats could possibly do and eviscerate them for any wrongs they have committed with the entire federal government at their disposal. It would do you well to remember that at each step here, there is a common individual. If Trump had released his tax returns, there wouldn't be intrigue as to what's in them. People would not ave been looking for links to Russian financial institutions. Flynn's ties might not have come up. There wouldn't have been the question of why he was promoted to his position in spite of the evidence uncovered because of the intrigue of Trump not releasing his taxes. There wouldn't be questions as to why it took so long to fire Flynn. Of course, Trump didn't have to ask Comey to cut Flynn some slack after he fired Flynn. And he didn't have to contradict his own staff for the reason on firing Comey. And he certainly didn't have to threaten Comey with tapes. And he didn't have to boast about the nation's intelligence gathering abilities to an adversary. The Democrats haven't had to do a thing. Trump does it for them.
Of course many things here need better factual backing. But would you personally believe them? In moments like this, you should take off your partisan blinders and try to view the information objectively. It isn't about the party. It's about the country. Which one are you rooting for?
Far right wing activists with no interest in tech invaded back in 2012 with the express aim of stealing the narrative. Their forums discussing this unfortunately are indexed on Google, its not hard to find.
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And this is not going to make anybody forget about Seth Rich, murdered by the DNC for releasing the Podesta emails to Wiki leaks.
Notice leftists, democrats will kill their own to cover up their crimes. Don't put yourself in a position to become a target.
People like you make a case for there being no intelligent design.
At any rate, for the people too lazy to google, here is the link
Yet another lie.....
Yes. All is doom and gloom. Except nothing has changed. This has been Trump since he announced his candidacy. Every one knew he was a loud mouth blowhard. Why do you think the main stream Republicans hated him so much during the primaries and general election? He is still hated by a lot the GOP. #nevertrump.
If anything it gives those Republicans the ammunition they need in the midterms to convince their constituents that they don't like Trump and are trying to stop him when they can but they aren't as crazy as the screeching democrats blaming everything and anything on the Russians. Ryan can say, look we can keep Trump in check so don't vote us out. While Trump does what Trump does, piss off democrats and the world.
Unless there is actual evidence nothing is going to happen except a lot of bark. Midterms are approaching and the GOP wants to keep control of the Congress.
Ooh, look its some kind of extreme dumbfuck, parroting the fake news of Breitbart, you can smell the Trumplthinskins fear now.
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That new US Prez sitcom is better than anything I've ever watched. At first I was skeptical because it looked like a cheap Spin City knockoff or a weak rehash of That's my Bush, and, well, basically it is, but they really manage to spice it up and get to new heights week after week.
Though I have to admit, it slowly starts to get a wee bit unrealistic.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
to vote the other side in 2018. It's that simple. Vote the other side. Heck, if you're genuinely conservative you'll vote the other side next election just for the sake of gridlock (conservative meaning you're opposed to change). But either way, we've got one side in complete control and it's meant that all our checks and balances have collapsed. And if you're waiting for the current House Speaker to step up well.... I won't stop you from holding your breath. Asphyxiation is probably preferable to the current situation.
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Witch hunts don't work anymore.
he's admitted in absolutely no uncertain terms that he interfered with Comey's investigation. That's obstruction of justice. Full Stop. Am I missing something where that's _not_ an impeachable offense? Whatever happened to the rule of law? Even Hilary got an investigation (that concluded with no charges being filed, I might add). What do you think would've happened if Obama fired Comey during that investigation? What possible reason could there be _not_ to impeach him? I'm waiting...
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As long as we are living in fantasy land, I hope trump stays in till democrats take the senate and house in 2018. They impeach trump and pence, then put the democrat speaker in as president.
None for Obama or for George W. Bush, unless my memory is completely failing me. Is it?
Liberals, be careful what you wish for. Mike Pence is everything that Trump is not: bright, articulate, a polished politician who will not have to hold a well-thumbed copy of Presidenting For Dummies in one hand while tweeting with the other. And also an evangelical Christian who is pro-life and hates every letter in your gender preference string.
Don't like the orange guy they have replacing Kiefer though.
You know (don't you?) that impeachment is an actual legal term with actual meaning that flows from the presentation of actual deeds that can be prosecuted in that venue. You seem to be thinking that impeachment is just something you do when you don't like somebody. That's not how it works. You can't impeach somebody because while they were a private citizen someone associated with their campaign had a gig making money from a foreign country didn't report it (never mind that that had exactly nothing to do with the election itself or the fantasy of "collusion"). You can't impeach somebody because he says that he hopes an investigation will wrap up soon, and takes exactly zero steps to in any way interfere with it. You can't impeach somebody for being the commander in chief and choosing to talk in broad terms about sensitive matters in a meeting with another country's foreign minister ... because being at the top of the food chain on that subject matter makes that that person's call, period. Impeachment isn't the equivalent of other countries' parliamentary votes of no confidence in, for example, a prime minister. So, predict away - it's meaningless without evidence of something that rises to that level, of which there is zero indication.
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Where's his partner Scully?
Have you looked at the 2018 seats up for election? For the Senate,
23 democrats are up for election
8 Republicans.
The Democrats have A LOT to lose and A LOT of ground to make up.
Typical trump supporter bullshit. The news is all fake, everything's rigged. Everybody is out to get me. Wahhhh.
"Julian Assange himself said the Russians didn't give him the emails"
MY SIDES!
Well if Julian said it it must be true right?
Yes, I remember all those bombshell announcements about Hillary's emails on the lead up to the election, all live streamed late at night (in the US). In the end, it was just another opportunity to watch some talking heads chat a while - and at the very end, Assange would briefly appear, pontificate about Wikileaks' mission, then auto-fellate himself.
I tried every decent and legal way I could think of to resolve the issue w/the business before I rented the chicken suit
Which piece of evidence from that Wikipedia page do you think is the strongest? It seems mainly filled with unsupported statements from TLA agencies.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Bueller, Bueller, (you read that in Ben Stein's voice), won't find shit, he didn't find shit about US war crimes, he didn't find shit about Cheney's war profiteering, and he didn't find shit about the US engagement in torture--even after it was posted on the internet.
He is going to continue to cover the POTUS's ass and make sure that nothing is found.
And like the voting machine tampering in the 2016 election, he will make sure that any evidence that is found relating to the Cheeto is tainted to give reasonable doubt in case there is an impeachment.
Don't underestimate the number of gridlock voters.
Having those bastards at each other's throats is about the best we can do. Perhaps hand them all antipersonnel grenades, knowing their feeble old arms can't throw it far enough to be outside the kill radius...
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
because being at the top of the food chain on that subject matter makes that that person's call, period.
Dude is fucking tired of being President. He's never had his decrees questioned as Baron of a fiefdom for decades, and now he has to deal with the most hostile a press we've ever seen...
The deck is stacked against a gut who has another job opportunity as a 70 yr. old billionaire.
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Let me give you some advice the next time you want to criticize Wikipedia. Go click on that link above to the Wiki article. Now, look at the text, notice how it has various numbers in brackets in superscript. You can hover over them and some text will pop up. That's called a "reference". Those "references" are where the claims in the article come from. If you click on one of those, or scroll allllll the way down to the bottom, you'll see the list of references for the article, all 283 of them. Those are what you need to attack the credibility of, because the Wikipedia article itself is really just a collection of claims given in those references. Just go ahead and start at #1 and work your way down, debunking each of those references. Make sure not to skip #4, which quotes a report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and National Intelligence Council:
We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
Make sure not to skip this one, either. You wouldn't want it to seem like you're cherry-picking.
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OMG, a Snopes referral!! You've cracked the case, Sherlock! Oh, wait.. even globalist-fellating Snopes rates it as "unproven", and not debunked/fake/untrue/etc.
Snopes is okay for finding out about old urban legends regarding escaped lunatics with hooks for hands terrorizing copulating teenagers, but for political revelations, ye Gods man...
"An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." -- Gerald Ford in 1970
My god people- and you call yourselves intelligent. You really are the stupidest people ever to walk the earth. Everyone on Slashdot, I advise you to end your life immediately you are too stupid to exist.
By much the same metric, the National Enquirer could say that Donald Trump and Chelsea Clinton conceived a love baby and are running away to the Lesser Antilles to hide it away from prying eyes. Oh, and it is also half armadillo. There's no proof it didn't happen, so it must be true.
I mean seriously, there's a line of implausibility here.
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I'd say the report from The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is pretty clear:
https://www.nytimes.com/intera...
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somebody behind the scenes trying to overthrow the president
Yeah, where would somebody get THAT idea from? I dunno, maybe from the constant, never-ending assault against him by scumbags that we've long suspected were working not for the people, but big money interests behind the scenes. Or maybe from the constant chants from those cult leaders and their followers for "resist" and "impeach", despite having no evidence or reason for impeachment other than a dislike for the guy.
This cartoon sums it up succinctly.
I always figured that presidents were figureheads who just did what they were told by the real power players, and that if a non-puppet ever got into power, we'd see a total shit-storm being thrown at them or perhaps an outright attempt on their life, like Kennedy.
I'd genuinely like to know. What am I missing. I just don't see how this is _not_ obstruction of justice. You can argue that Comey lied, I suppose. But otherwise Trump told Comey to drop an investigation into one of his people. That's pretty much a textbook example of Obstruction of Justice AFAIK. Then again, IANAL so take that with a grain of salt. Bill the Clinton perjured himself and managed 8 years. But what he did was a _lot_ less serious. Lying about a side piece isn't remotely in the same boat as doing favors for a semi-hostile nation in exchange for money...
Again, am I missing something? Is there any way for this to end without impeachment? I suppose if the speaker is a Republican he can just decline to bring impeachment. That's his prerogative, but the last time that happened (Nixon) they were afraid of losing the House over it. Are they safe now? There's been a lot of Gerrymandering. Maybe they just don't care. But if that's true it's frightening. It means we're no longer a nation of laws, but of men...
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And that Russian reporters, experts in the art of propaganda, hence know likely what is and *sounds* like classified information (but likely not disclose), will produce a transcript that will be to obviously squeaky clean.
Well trained...
How is it "independence" if he reports to the Deputy Attorney General? This is not an independent prosecutor. There is no independence since the results will pass through the deputy attorney general and he reports to Trump. This is yet another ruse and when he is fired or told to suppress details or directed not to pursue certain leads or ask to regularly report to the deputy attorney general so he can brief the president on what to hide we'll be back at this same point in 6 months with everyone calling for an independent investigation that reports out to congress.
"At this point you even have some Democratic strategists hoping he doesn't get impeached and removed, because the longer he's in the White House, the worse the Republicans look."
Probably, after all it's that kind of logic that ousted Bernie for Hillary
Probably the first thing the grand jury will do is indict Hillary Clinton since all the evidence has already been assembled and the only thing preventing it was Comey.
Since we now know some are coming from the FBI. Comey better hope there are no "tapes". The leaking is the only known crime so far, so the special counsel is required to prioritize them.
After spending hours each day studying the Trump nightmare, I now wonder if a real criminal conviction will put Trump in prison. It is hard to look into anything Trump has touched and not find serious criminal activity. The obstruction of justice charge alone is sufficient to demand a prison sentence as are his numerous violations of the Foreign Powers Corruption Act. But we all pretty much know that after being tossed out of office and fined there will be no prison time as the sick truth is that we never have equal justice for all. At this point numerous Trump properties have been placed in the names of family members. I suggest that all Trump's assets, including those transferred be seized and frozen so that the numerous crimes and injuries can be taken from those funds. Besides, if he spends the rest of his life in prison he won't need money anyway.
I bet the under on, "A special prosecutor is appointed to investigate Trump by day 120".
Now the big proposition bet is "Trump will rage quit by January 19, 2018".
The smart money is on the under.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Putin thought Hillary would win just like everyone else.
The National Enquirer said John Edwards had a love child. Were they correct?
When does that piece of paper matter to the leftists? Freedom of speech? Not if it's "hate speech" (which is anything found to be inconvenient at the time). Right to bear arms? Nope, not unless you work for the Government (or them). I know, the right to due process? Well, once again if you are in the wrong political party the leftists and leftist media will try and convict you long before any evidence is shown. I don't need to go on, but surely we could play this game for a long time.
Face facts, this is not an issue with the Leftists and their media with President Trump. This is an issue with _ANY_ President who is not on the left. I'm old enough to remember how the media and leftists bashed and played the same games against Reagan. Perhaps try going back and reading some papers from his day.
Everyone on the left gets a free pass. Remember when President Obama leaked the CIA chief's name from Afghanistan? Where were the calls of impeachment for him? How about the open mic incident where President Obama told President Medvedev he would have "more flexibility" to negotiate with Putin after the election. (Left leaning site confirms). Where were the calls of collusion? Where were the calls from the media and left for Obstruction on Hillary for deleting emails? How about perjury which the left's villain turned hero Comey outlined in front of Congress? Was it Comey lying to Congress then or Hillary, because one did and nobody on the left cared. How about Bill committing perjury? Where was the outrage by the media and "gotcha" for an open and obvious lie? *crickets*
But no, there is no media collusion and it's all about the Constitution. If of course you are def dumb and blind (intentional or not). You should probably read, talk, or listen to Constitutional experts (Larry Elder, Dennis Prager, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, etc..). Hint: You won't find any on CNN or MSNBC, or any of the other MSM stations. MSM brings you their echo chamber.
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That report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and National Intelligence Council only contains wild accusations or speculations without showing any evidence or proofs whatsoever. That document is a joke and was debunked many times.
They broke the story about Jessie Jackson's love child. They ended John Edwards' political career by breaking the story of his affair with a campaign staffer. They broke the story about Tiger Woods' affairs, too. They were also the first to report on the divorces of both Mel Gibson and Billy Joel.
If they published a document purporting to be Trump's tax return, I wouldn't trust them. If they reported on what was said at a political meeting, I wouldn't believe them. But if they reported that Trump had a love child with Bad Boy's accountant, I'd believe it.
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And don't forget, "Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated."
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When they find Russian collusion we all know whose alcohol-soaked fingers will be clutching the payoff money. From Uranium-One to Haiti the C-word is recognized as the epitome of corruption. From classified emails to selling out Crimea and Ukraine to Russia, the deplorables know who is causing the problems. And she needs to be locked up.
You do realize that's why there's a special prosecutor... because there was enough evidence that something may have happened; not only enough, but enough for a REPUBLICAN who backed Trump to call for one. So... who's the fucking dipshit now, dipshit.
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Fighting for people that matter.
Got a billion dollars?
Then you matter and Trump is going to fight for you against those that don't.
Nope, it's about your blatant hypocrisy and willful blindness.
Everything Trump does is now your mess, and you refuse to admit to any of it. Not to mention the rest of the party of Fraudster's who endorsed him.
Your precious Supreme Court pick was the result of an abnegation of responsibility by the partisan members of the Senate. That will forever taint the appointment of Neil Gorsuch, no matter what he does, even if he is not as much a stooge for his puppet Master as Scalia, Alito, or Thomas.
Then we have the attempted legislative coup in North Carolina, a result of passing a hated bill that only served to pointlessly chase after a non-profit.
A judge in Alabama, already fired once for his grandstanding, removed a second time because he opposed a Supreme Court ruling and so encouraged other officials to fail in their duties?
Now? Well, we're going to have more exploding deficits, which you used to hate, more deaths from unwanted pregnancies, and what are we going to get? A wall that Mexico won't pay for? Handouts to the military-industrial complex? Expensive arrests of people would committed no real crimes that enrich the private prison complex?
Great job, how much more success will you bring us?
And there it is the utter hypocrasy of the alt right, all the usual alternative facts. You fucking inbreds spent 8 years making up dumb lies about Obama, now getting all whiny when their own tactics are turned against them, even worse for you poor snowflakes, this time its true. You can smell their fear now.
You can give it out but you cant take it, suck it up princess, this wont stop until Pence pardons Trump. Trumpers, just an outdated puss filled pimple on the ass of society.
Are they ever going to get done with their witch hunt? So much hand wringing in the media. Zero proof.
I guess you have to have something to blame for losing so badly. Please just stop before you become completely irrelevant.
Yeh, but with the exception of the usual right wing sockpuppets, everyone else here has shot their bullshit to pieces, I love it when they start whining about leftist mods, the closest you get to left here is centre right, and when its your own side modding you down, youre screwed. The Republicans are starting to fragment already, and they will eat each other over the next few months. Trump was the last gasp of the old white racist rights influence, they are heading to much deserved political irrelevance.
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Yes, it's something to give us a nice warm fuzzy feeling while a screaming manchild is playing chicken with nukes.
Bitch Clinton was found guilty of everything. Guilt as shit is brown. She was just not prosecuted by her pimp nibberizing Obama.nation.
Depends entirely on who the special prosecutor is and what he thinks about Trump's politics. It may be that he can remain unbiased and pursues the investigation to whatever conclusion. Or it could be a dog and pony show just to appease the public while they sit on the actual investigation for the next 4-8 years until Trump's gone from office (or worse, they falsify a conclusion and it goes away completely in the short term and the blows up into a disaster later when someone decides to re-checks fact.)
I don't know Robert Mueller's history or political associations, so I can only posit possibilities, but simply having him appointed in itself doesn't really say much given the circus that the current administration is constantly putting on. This could well be just another act.
Not while he is President - kind of a flaw in the system at the moment.
So all those weirdos who pretend to be colonials at political events rejoice - you've got yourself a King who is above the law - so that's a worse situation than the King that George Washington fought against. So long as enough Senators are on his side he's untouchable.
People with 6 month old accounts or Anonymous Coward = "this is nothing"
People with actual accounts who have been around for awhile = "we should at least look into this".
No, it's not, I've read that report several times. It doesn't give any convincing evidence to support its conclusions.
If you disagree, please point me to the paragraph or section you find most convincing.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
North Korea and China are complicated too, apparently.
I wonder if Russia is complicated?
A special prosecutor could be appointed to investigate Santa's repeated acts of trespassing on private property. Doesn't mean shit.
The dipshit who's struggling with the concept of evidence, dipshit. Show us the evidence or you're an idiot antivaxxer/chem trailing/birther/truther/fluoride tool who devours any pile of bullshit that served up to him on a dixie plate.
A. I'm not a national security analyst, and neither are you.
B. It says that not all of the details are included for obvious, reasons.
C. At some point, you have to chose to trust somebody. I'm going to choose to trust an organization that communicates in complete sentences over a compulsive liar that does not.
I don't respond to AC's.
C. At some point, you have to chose to trust somebody. I'm going to choose to trust an organization that communicates in complete sentences over a compulsive liar that does not.
You don't have to trust either of them. Don't: the FBI has a long history of lying as does Trump.
The only thing that matters is evidence.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
There was no lefty fervor for Clinton. She would have lost huge if her opponent had not been Trump. It is unfortunate that the Dems nominated someone so unacceptable to Republicans.
However, you guys nominated (fervently) a senile mobster who seems to think he's dictator and who doesn't understand, much less care about, fundamental principles of democratic government. Heck, he doesn't even understand more basic ideas, like state secrets.
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People in the cybersecurity community have expressed skepticism about Russia's involvement in the e-mail hacking of the DNC. The media, by and large, decided to ignore them and go with the narrative that Russia was involved, This article in Rolling Stones articulates very nicely both the lack of evidence and the media's reaction.
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... that's why we need fewer laws.
Trump just left the country on a tour of fairly unfriendly places.
If someone like Putin thought he was likely to turn 'States Evidence', and blow the whole scheme wide open, he might take steps.
Will the Donald make it back from his trip? Inquiring minds want to know...
Whatever the Democrats may be screaming, it's irrelevant to this. The Republicans control Congress. It's in their hands, and thus far every attempt they've made to support Trump has been thrown back in their face by his inability to keep his mouth shut. For chrissakes, the man is such an arrogant blowhard he was showing off to the fucking Russians in the Oval Office with a Russian journalist in the room. Whether he let slip any classified data or not, the fact is not only has he once again, within the space of a few days, made himself look like a big mouthed ass, he's now pissing off Israel, which means Israel and other allies, not to mention the State Department itself, are going to start holding crucial intelligence closer to their chests lest the Braggart-in-chief decide to show off to any other foreign powers.
My favorite part is Putin has a transcript of the entire meeting he wants to use to help clear trump. Obviously at least one of the visitors had a recording device going at all times.
The only actual EVIDENCE of election rigging is by the DNC, in their primary.
I suspect Muller could pretty easily prove that with what I've seen already. Imagine Debbie Schultz and Donna Brazil brought up on charges for electioneering, because they are actually guilty and there IS evidence.
Consider that Trump making a lot of noise is just smoke and mirrors. Trump will probably wind up impeached and the republicans are OK with that because their agenda is unhindered by the opposition that is so fixated on him.
Everything Trump does is now your mess, and you refuse to admit to any of it.
Yes, I admit the Supreme Court was saved from sliding into a swamp of activist liberal faux-legislating. I confess, he made that happen. You got me.
And I confess, you're right, it's totally his fault that illegal traffic across our porous southern border has dropped by over 70% in just three months. It's true. You've made me have to admit that.
And yes, you're right, people who didn't want Clinton in office are going to have to live with the fact that we're looking at policies that begin to push back against flagrant H1B visa abuse, the unthinkable friction on the economy from utterly pointless, redundant, poorly administered and capriciously enforced regulations brand new in the untold thousands every year. Yes, that horrible turn of events is something we'll have to cop to.
And you're definitely right, there's nothing for it but to admit that we're going to have to wear the fact that China is finally inching its way to actually taking some responsibility for North Korea's behavior, and being more receptive to dealing with their pet rabid dog.
And you've definitely busted me: I don't know how I can look at myself in the mirror with everyone's 401k plans and other personal investments regaining so much ground in the last three months. It's awful. I should be ashamed of not wanting Hillary Clinton back making her family rich selling access to third world dictators and having her aid forward classified information to her child-predator husband's home laptop to be printed out.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
We invest billions in departments to oversee, manage and report in things exactly like this but now we're going to spend millions more on a special group to investigate and report on it. If the press (the ones that make millions on creating a shit storm around select, partisan events) wasn't available as a political tool (when pigs fly) we'd let the departments we already spend billions on do their job and avoid spending millions more on a new group to report on the same stuff the other group should be working and reporting on!
Well that settles it then. Thanks for clearing it up.
That report is a summary of the consensus of the various intelligence agencies of the US. It doesn't back up its claims with evidence because (1) it's a summary, and (2) US intelligence agencies don't just share evidence in public, that puts lives in danger. It has not been "debunked", the only way to debunk it is to ask the CIA, FBI, etc, whether they disagree with it, and none have.
Could it be based on nothing? Possibly, but it's exceedingly unlikely. To believe it is based on nothing and entirely made up you'd have to assume that virtually every US intelligence agency has gone partisan and rogue. Even the FBI, which isn't exactly known for being sympathetic to liberal causes and the Democrats would, in your world, have to be entirely run by people who make shit up to damage the Republicans.
That's just not credible.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
by the time it's all over he won't have a reputation and his name will be Shit.
His name already is. Which reminds me, I've gotta go take a Trump.
Also broke the Rush Limbaugh story. I seem to remember a conspiracy theory that they work for mossad or some jewish lobby.
Yes, I admit the Supreme Court was saved from sliding into a swamp of activist liberal faux-legislating. I confess, he made that happen. You got me.
Yeah, yeah, you want the Con-servative version where Alito is so twitchy that he decided to spitefully disagree with an opinion whose outcome he supported just because it wasn't what he wanted, even though his own stated legal principles would have required him to follow it, he was just too angry to adhere to them. You want the Con-servative version where Scalia is so intemperate, he has a temper tantrum that now states can't criminalize sodomy and that the courts weren't following a deliberate and willful attempt to interpret words from the ACA in a manner that even the people who wrote it said was wrong, but was maliciously concocted by the litigants seeking to use the courts to legislate for it, showing how his faux-morality was behind his decisions quite clearly. You want the Con-servative version where Thomas mysteriously manages to go back to the time of the Civil War for the 14th amendment, but gives Congress no credit for being made up of modern, living people, who have the authority to make decisions for today. Heck, you'd probably be happy if Roberts pulled a page from Taney and tried to pass the agenda of the Right-wing through judicial malfeasance and outright fraud. Because heaven knows, that was what you wanted when it was Reagan in charge.
And I confess, you're right, it's totally his fault that illegal traffic across our porous southern border has dropped by over 70% in just three months. It's true. You've made me have to admit that.
Oh noes, people stopped crossing the border in Winter, just like they always do! Trump truly deserves credit for cold weather! Wait, wait, no, that's just a bunch of hot air.
You know, what this reminds me of though, how you were so fervently declaring that the unemployment numbers were a lie. Too bad you don't realize that CBP numbers are actually a real lie. They have zero attribution for any performance metrics, they have zero cause, and so...you trust them, since it's saying what you want.
Not that it'll stop you from demanding a giant, expensive, pointless, wall, that nobody thinks will work, which would be the only gain.
And yes, you're right, people who didn't want Clinton in office are going to have to live with the fact that we're looking at policies that begin to push back against flagrant H1B visa abuse, the unthinkable friction on the economy from utterly pointless, redundant, poorly administered and capriciously enforced regulations brand new in the untold thousands every year. Yes, that horrible turn of events is something we'll have to cop to.
You'll get no changes in the H1B system except more abuses of them, and Trump's already caused harm with his own pointless, poorly administered and capricious enforcement. But you'll never admit to any of it, and you know I know it. Nor his attempts to return to the failed policies of massive lengthy imprisonment, which besides being racist in implementation, also managed to increase costs. You'll never admit that Trump's random ban on further hiring is causing problems as agencies can't provide needed services. You'll never notice that Trump's plans include a massive increase in costs and expenses for little return, and often great harm.
And you're definitely right, there's nothing for it but to admit that we're going to have to wear the fact that China is finally inching its way to actually taking some responsibility for North Korea's behavior, and being more receptive to dealing with their pet rabid dog.
China's doing nothing they weren't already doing. Sorry, I know you want to believe that Trump, deciding to show off his biggus dickus at his private resort while meeting with the Chinese premier was some success (even though it was a military failure as well), but it
See here. Comey was asked to drop the Flynn investigation. This is more or less fact now (memo's are admissible as evidence). So no, I'm not saying the FBI director is lying. I'm saying he's telling the truth and Trump broke the law by obstructing justice. Unless Trump is above the law he is due to be impeached. Again, is there a flaw here I don't see?
This is another case of "The cover up is worse than the crime". Bill Clinton didn't break the law getting a blow job, he broke the law lying about it under oath. Now, if a regular guy lied about getting a blow job to a judge he'd probably get a fine and let off. If a regular guy interfered in a police investigation I don't think he'd get let off with a fine.
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4. Never forget the Obama birth certificate crap. That was trying to destroy Obama, presumably to gain political advantage. As a side effect he weakened the ability of that government to get things done. Had their been truth to it, it would be fine, but the purpose was not truth. The purpose was basically A1 grade evil.
As a point of interest, Trump supporters who comment on Scott Adams blog just this week were still bitching about Obama's "fake" birth certificate. How is that even rational any more? Even Trump himself when pinned down about it after winning the primary admitted Obama was born in the USA. But even if this certificate was faked, then we need to deal with the following.
1) Ted Cruz was born in Canada to one US citizen parent. How is that different to Obama being born in Kenya to one US citizen parent? Cruz was allowed to run for president. So even if Obama was born in Kenya, how does that disqualify him from being president? And if somebody is then going to argue that his mother gave up her US citizenship they have to prove it by providing US government records that show it happened.
2) Hillary Clinton very badly wanted to win the Democratic Party nomination in 2008. If Obama was somehow lying about his birth or even worse Constitutionally unqualified to be president, why did she not exploit this? And if you are going to argue that she was a loyal solder, that's just crap. People are accusing her of cheating with the help of party leadership in the primaries last year but somehow dishonest Hillary wouldn't use that information in 2008 for her personal benefit? Yeah. Right.
3) Why did John McCain not use this information to argue in 2008 that his opponent, Obama, might not be qualitied?
4) Why did people in the Republican Party independent of McCain not use this information in 2008 or even 2012 to try to derail Obama's campaign? Why did Romney not use it in 2012 if it was true?
5) How do you explain the birth announcement in a local Hawaiian newspaper announcing Obama's birth? But I suppose if you want to argue that the certificate is faked it's no stretch to argue that this was faked too somehow.
The National Enquirer said John Edwards had a love child. Were they correct?
Yes, an the love child speaks to the dead too!
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What about that little bengazi thing?
Keep whining, it's fun to read.
President Pence will pardon the orange Hitler. Sad.
"So... who's the fucking dipshit now, dipshit?"
It's still you.
We know this didn't happen because Trump would have blabbed about it on Twitter.
When people asked him to put up or shut up - he changed the topic. That's how you know there's no truth to the rumor he and Fox News spread.
Easy. It's because of the magic (R) beside the name that makes it all different and allowed. If you have anything else, like a (D) or such, it's really bad. But having an (R) means you have a free pass.
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What I don't understand is why Trump is worried about this investigation into Russia.
If you look at the facts, the investigation is whether or not Russia sought to influence the election, and that certainly seemed to be titled in favor of Trump. But that does not mean that Trump was involved in any way. It could simply mean that Putin didn't want Clinton to win. If that were true, it would tarnish Trump's win of course, but what's done is done. I really don't know what would happen, and it would surely be a disaster.
But the way Trump keeps saying that the investigation is into HIM, and that he never colluded with Russia, is disturbing. It all seems irrelevant to the question about if Russia tried to influence the election. He's making it about HIM, instead of about Russia. I find that strange. But I find a lot of what he says to be strange. His obsession with himself is quite nauseating - whether he's president or not.
So the press is evil, but let's have daily press briefings. (?!) I try to ignore it, but people at work keep putting it on the TV in the break room. I just get this sick sense that this is just an extension of the instant-gratification of today's media. I say let them do their investigation into Russia, and report on their findings. But instead, there is a constant barrage of micro-updates on things. So much so that it's really rather disheartening. I can't even read THIS site without hearing these kinds of updates. I read the BBC, but they even keep re-running the same story, with just a few little updates and a title change. Everyone has lost their damn minds.
It makes me just want to ignore it all.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
If the TLAs came out with a report that a cloudless sky is blue, I might take them at their word. Maybe.
Each of these agencies have their own interests and agendas, and disseminating truth to the general public is not one of them. Taking this report at face value because at this point of time it is not clear what motive they would have for lying would be unwise. When James Clapper is going on the Sunday morning talk shows and shedding crocodile tears in concern for US institutions, that alone should be enough to make one suspect.
Quibbling about the definition of impeachment lol. Speaks volumes about how bad this situation is, and where it's heading, that you have to resort to that level of smoke blowing.
Everyone -politicians, mainstream media - seems falling over each other while heaping praise fro Mr. Mueller. I recall from a few years ago that he expressed that there was a continuum between people who protest and people who commit crimes. I think it was lazy of the congress to enable / allow his extension when the terrm limits were intentionally set up to prevent entrenched point-of-view in that office.
The only country to dramatically effect the election was Saudi Arabia, which funded 25% of Hillary's campaign. The DNC leaks, showing their corruption and what they did to Bernie, came from an insider, not Russia. That insider was Seth Rich... who was promptly killed. Russia hasn't been involved with US politics since they paid Hillary $100m for access to one of our Uranium mines
There's plenty of evidence of business connections to Russia, and some of Trump's advisors/lackeys/whatever do have connections. There are things that appear to be cover-ups. There's plenty of reason to investigate.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
and that ones just getting started.
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There's evidence that something might be going on, which is enough to justify an investigation. There isn't solid evidence available yet, but the investigation might find something.
The requirement for an investigation is very very low. The requirement for a search warrant is reason to believe the authorities will find something incriminating. The requirement for a conviction is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Typically, there's an investigation. If it turns up probable cause, it can get warrants. Given warrants, it might come up with enough evidence to convict. There is no need for probable cause to start an investigation, or proof beyond a reasonable doubt to get a search warrant.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Trump has been living and vacationing at his properties, and they've been getting money from the Federal government. That's unconstitutional, and a violation of the Constitution counts as impeachment material.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
In other words, you don't find the evidence available before the investigation to be convincing. No problem. We'll see what the investigation turns up.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Comey himself appointed Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate the outing of Valerie Plame, during the GWB administration.
None under Obama, though. His opposition was more visceral. It never managed to string enough rational thoughts together to actually make a case about anything.
Yes.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Sounds like you and I both agree that some kind of peachy trial meant to bring the evidence to light needs to happen then. Right? RIGHT?
A special prosecutor could be appointed to investigate Santa's repeated acts of trespassing on private property. Doesn't mean shit.
No you unintelligent piece of shit, they can't. The republicans, no matter how much red in the face blustering stupidity they concocted during Obama's 8 years failed to come up with anything they could call a special prosecutor for. It takes something "special" for one to be called up, fucknut.
The dipshit who's struggling with the concept of evidence, dipshit. Show us the evidence or you're an idiot antivaxxer/chem trailing/birther/truther/fluoride tool who devours any pile of bullshit that served up to him on a dixie plate.
It's complete fucking idiots like you who are the problem in this country. There IS enough evidence that SOMETHING happened that a special prosecutor was called up, and by a REPUBLICAN controlled committee, none the less. Because you are too much of a complete fucking ignorant piece of shit to understand that means nothing other than you're a typical fox news graduate of being completely detached from reality. Pull your head out of your ass, you worthless piece of shit.
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His parents certainly won't forget him, nor the fact that your and your fellow assholes keep fictionalizing his death in a sad attempt to smear political opponents.
making [their] family rich selling access to third world dictators
You mean like, to that guy in Turkey, Philippines, and Saudi Arabia? And Putin? (I kid! I kid! on that one)
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When you put it in terms of unfounded conspiracy theories and outright lies, it all makes sense! You had better go into hiding before the lizard people use chemtrails to fluoridate your water and get the Illuminati to give you vaccines. The truth is out there!
He is beyond the reach of the courts so your long winded text about irrelevant legal issues does not apply. Legal issues sadly do not apply - just the advice of Congress and the will of the Senate.
Bitch Clinton was found guilty of everything.
Says no prosecutor anywhere.
Now, your butt-buddy Trump is ALSO not trying to prosecute her.
You know, that whole "No evidence of crime" thing that Starr had to live with also!
Get off the Alt-right diet. It's bad for your brain.