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Star Trek Discovery's First Trailer Brings a New Ship, New Characters, and Old Conflicts (cbs.com)
nyquil superstar writes: Hey all, the Star Trek: Discovery trailer is out. Looks entertaining! From a report via Vox: "The trailer features Sonequa Martin-Green, fresh from The Walking Dead, as Michael Burnham, a first officer promoted unexpectedly to the position of captain by her mentor, Captain Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh). Set 10 years before the original Star Trek series (and 90 years after the franchise's only other prequel, Star Trek: Enterprise), the new series follows the starship Discovery as Burnham learns to become a captain. But she soon finds her abilities tested by a host of challenges that will be familiar to all lovers of the classic sci-fi universe: new worlds to explore and alliances to forge, hostile Klingons, and the difficulty of adhering to the Federation's peacekeeping mission."
Where the show was designed by the actor's race and sex instead of a plot and a casting call. Because blatant sexism and racism is good so long as it isn't favouring white males!
Then there's the whole problem with it being restricted to a very limited new streaming service.
Pass.
I guess that means that we're going to have to just talk about something else...
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"This video is not available"...
Fail!
More sequels. Or is this a prequel? If not Star Trek, then what? Crappy Alien CGI? Gone are the MOVIE STARS of yester-year! Movies suck. Music sucks. It's like that South Park episode, only everything REALLY IS CRAP!
This one seems to work for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8mesUEFjas
Where the show was designed by the actor's race and sex instead of a plot and a casting call.
On the other hand, even the original serie, from the beginning has tried hard to be inclusive (the communication officier was a african american woman, the navigator comes from the other side of the iron curtain, etc.)
So trying to feature under-represented minory is absolutely nothing new in Star Trek.
The only key question is : are these characters otherwise well written, and are the actors portraying them good ? (or are their "under represented minority" the only noticeable thing about them). but that's hard to judge without watching 1-2 episodes of the serie.
(Which isn't available here around, at least not to me. So I can't judge)
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Set phasers to CRAP!
Ready for a full dosage of lens flaring?
Perhaps before approving a story with a youtube link someone could actually check to make sure the video is available in a reasonable % of the world outside the USA?
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Wait the new Captain is a female with the name Michael? I am confused already.
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Characters they showed seemed likable, but I didn't care for the lighting. I really hope most of the sets are brighter than the bridge, or this is going to be a very short-lived show.
(IMO Stargate Universe failed because the screen was so dark most of the time. People don't like dark screens in prime time.)
Senior Transgendered Asian Female Captain: Check
Gender muted African-American Female Protege: Check
Black males portrayed as vicious savages: Check
While males in unimportant, peripheral roles only: Check
I for one love this show and just know it will be a great success!
The ship looks whack. I usually call picky people autists,
but now i've turned full autism because this ship design just makes me
want to punch the monitor. It is the ugliest thing i've ever seen.
Even if i tried my hardest to create an ugly ship, i would not achieve this.
The episode order has been increased to 15. That's 15 too many, in my opinion. The development of Discovery has been marked by pure incompetence, despite having some really good people involved. I had high hopes with Bryan Fuller and Nicholas Meyer, who did really good work previously with Star Trek. I thought Rod Roddenberry might have a good feel how to run the show because he had praised Star Trek Continues, which is really well done. Fuller is gone and the show keeps sounding less interesting as more news comes out. It wasn't that long ago that Michael Dorn passed on being cast for Discovery as one of Worf's ancestors because they gave him an insulting lowball offer, about 65% of what he was paid on TNG and DS9. Between seven seasons on TNG and four on DS9, I don't think anyone else has come close to appearing in as many episodes as Dorn has. It's embarrassing.
I have no confidence in the people developing Discovery that it's going to be worthwhile. There's nothing in the trailer that impresses me. There's a lot of action but I'm not convinced there's an interesting story to go along with it. CBS hasn't given much information on the actual premise for Discovery, and I don't see a whole lot in this trailer to provide any more information about it. It doesn't matter how diverse your cast is or how much you include special effects and combat if you don't have good writing and an interesting story to tell. With all of the delays and personnel changes, there has been more than enough time to devise a compelling premise. If there was truly an interesting premise to this show, I would expect CBS to provide more information on what that is to attract viewers. The trailer doesn't do that at all. This just seems like more incompetence to me.
I wish this show interested me. But I have yet to see anything that makes me think it's worth watching. If I'm going to watch anything on All Access, it'll be Big Brother and The Good Fight, both of which seem far more worthwhile than Discovery. It's a shame because I really like TOS and DS9, and TNG was pretty good.
Or do you think that among the tens of thousands of accomplished actors that so very very few of them are female or asian or whatever you're crying like a whiney little bitch under their redneck daddy's hairy sweaty fist being raped, that it's not possible to get good actors to fill the roles unless we go all white?
Because me, not being a bigoted asshole like yourself, can quite easily believe that they could fill the roles and get their quota even if they had to hunt for the lesbian black furrie transgendered raelian quota filling applicant.
I think there are enough talented black, asian, muslim, jewish, german, latin, african, australian, european lesbian, gay, poly, angrogyne, scientologist, mormon, bhuddist, atheist, whatever else actors out there to fill each role in a TV series' regular cast to have good actors in each role, whether they fit demographics or not.
Hell, they could exclude every male or half-white actor and actress in the USA and STILL manage to get a cast of good actors for each and every role.
The only difference would be that this would be discrimination you would be crying over.
I'll just wait for a Honest trailer...
The more Hollywood pushes this view of feminism, the more their female characters resemble male characters who just happen to be played by a woman. Her first name is Michael, not Michelle. Think about that for a moment. That is either laziness or a subconscious slip about what they were really thinking.
The problem for Hollywood is that any sort of "fierce, ass-kicking woman" who resembles a real world woman is going to look very "right wing." She is going to love weapons. She is going to mock women who think they can go toe-to-toe with a man in hand to hand combat while she cleans her knives and guns. She's going to call her 0.40 handguns "a girl's best friend." She will not hesitate to bring a knife or a gun to a fist fight with a man, and probably other women too if they're the dangerous villain. (Because in the real world, women tend to have nothing analogous to the male view of a fair fighting, as they often see a physical fight as one where winning is the only thing that matters; nothing wrong with that, as their view of fighting often actually is more realistic than the view held by many men)
And I can't think of one thing I saw that would want me to pay money to see this.
I saw two people walking in the desert, babbling something incomprehensible. Someone who looked like a Vulcan say something incomprehensible. Lots and lots of pretty CGI. That's it. What it was all about? Have no clue.
"The Orville" looks more like Trek than this mishmash (well more like "Galaxy Quest, The Series" which itself was more Trek than this).
This is so laughably obvious. Slap on a "Trek" title on something, and rake the cash in, that's the plan.
Fail.
JJ cured me.
The whole JJ Abrams action and re-hash old plot lines (even to the point to duplicating them like the half-vulcan thing) is disappointing. I guess that is what we get for paying our $$$ at the theater to see Abrams STW and ST films. Management at the studio is certain if they just duplicate that in the series, everybody will be happy and the money will roll in.
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Sounds like a fan film.
Look, the problem with the reboot of Ghostbusters was that they tried too hard to do the earlier movies or the series but use females to all play Peter Venkman.
There was ONE bit in Ghostbusters that appeared to be really good: where they were all ready to go in the first time to catch a ghost and two women both said at the same time "Lets get 'em!" (or whatever) and then both apologised for stepping on the others' toes.
That was good because it was a realistic and funny social situation that women would believably get in to, just like Dan and Bill played two characters that were basically two geeking men who, when it comes to their hobby and interest in the supernatural, never grew up. Even Harold played the little boy as any pal of the other two would do if they all hung out together and really liked each other to hang together like that in that very odd situation. The great thing about the first one was the three men who were just still in the gang they were in when they were all 6. And Ernie worked because he was the audience proxy.
Ghostbusters reboot didn't have an audience proxy. They didn't play like long-term girl friends who shared an odd and nearly socially exclusive interest. There were a few scenes between Melissa and Kristen that they seemed to be given roles (and played them well) of two old time best friends. The others didn't have any scenes that made you buy their inclusion. And they all were given roles of Venkman. Where was the Rick Moranis lovable loser? Where was Pencil Vagina? Who was Chris supposed to be? The 1984 secretary was "street smart" but not a complete moron like Chris' character was.
And the number of scenes that worked with the actresses were few and when the action started, you had so little investment you really looked for something in the special effects and noticed they weren't really all that special today.
They need to reboot the reboot and work out why the gang are there and reasonable roles for all characters they play. Instead of amping the black-sass for the token black, do they want to give her a different idea of what is REALLY going on (e.g. "I heard about this from my granny, vodun!", or even "I've seen worse in the streets back home. WALLOP"), you could have Chris play the audience proxy (which would keep some of the "not getting it at all" play, but would be useful "play" stupidity like Watson, so that if there needed to be exposition or they wanted to pinch the fourth wall or hang lanterns, he'd be the player who doesn't get it and points it out.
But they didn't want to put women in BAD roles. They didn't want to give men GOOD roles. And they thought sticking a vag on peter venkman would sell the movie, as long as they did it four times so everyone gets equal time being peter.
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It implies and normalizes that a transsexual man must have a masculine name in order to be accepted.
That's oppressive and throws shade on transsexual men with vaginas, no adam's apple and names like Desirée or Hillary.
CBS has blocked it on copyright grounds, apparently they don't want me to be excited about their show. Mission accomplished!
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A black female lead is fine with me. In fact, I think in a true united earth future almost everyone would be darker skinned and Asian or African looking. The white Europeans appearance would be a small minority. Why not include a character who looks Chinese but was raised Norse? Anyway, what I hated about this trailer is the lead character's ridiculous eyelashes. What does an eyelash curler look like centuries in the future?
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I'm a huge Star Trek fan and was so looking forward to this. What a disaster. I want to cry.
Given how much material the star trek universe has you think they would either branch out to another sector of the galaxy (i.e voyager) or jump a few generations ahead and show a future federation. THey are going to break some story timeline with this show by having someone do X which is contradicted in any future star trek series.
We know how the Klingon war went, we know all the back stories. It will be hard to really tell something big. And I already know there will be some story about the half vulcan/human being conflicted. Surprise surprise.
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Filter error: Don't use so many black women. It's like shameless pandering.
I really don't like that they changed what the Klingons looked like. According to canon, following STE and 10 years before TOS, the Klingons should look like they did in TOS. I would be fine with either way but not with a third mutation that makes then unrecognizable as Klingons. I'm totally skeptical about this new series. I don't expect them to respect traditions or canon. 10 years before TOS means it could be in JJ Abrams alternate timeline and the bridge lighting would seem to support this.
The Discovery cast are going to use their non-binary antifa boots to kick some patriarchal Klingon butt. Now what would have been an interesting show would be a show centered around the Klingon's rather than the Federation. Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!
Let me guess: a female captain to show how women are equal in the Star Trek universe, complete with a cast of POCs ruling over white men to demonstrate how SJWs have won the culture war in the future. No thanks. Ask Marvel how catering to that crowd goes. They have a lot of voice to scream with but no dollars to buy.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. "The Orville" looks to be the Star Trek we all want. CBS can have their little kindergarten tantrum and lock Star Trek: CBS-Subscription-Whore behind a paywall. I'll stick with Fox for once.
Though it looks better than the train wreck cash-in that Star Wars has become, I think the magic is gone. I love the other series, but I think for me it's just done, no one can ressurrect moments in time. I'm beyond weary of remakes and reimaginings (such an oxymoron, no imagination is required). Godspeed to those that enjoy it, I'm gonna pass.
It's time for Star Trek to move on...into the future...the far future. We have had several series (beginning with TOS) and movies that take place in what I call The Era of Origins. It's time to take the series into the FAR future, say the 47th or 51st Century or beyond. Let's put those imaginations into overdrive and think of what Star Trek could be in those time periods. What would the ships be like? Would they even have ships? How much more of the universe will be explored by then? Come on Paramount...stretch that imagination!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz701O62QXo
and Old Conflicts
This is probably why I will not watch it....
might binge later if everyone else likes it... but not compelled.
it was not the first interracial kiss
it was second
or even third actually if we include a peck stevie wonder got from a white dancer
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/world/first-interracial-kiss-on-tv/index.html
a famous black guy also kissed a white women before trek
so they were not even doings firsts, just following what garners the WOW factor....
this show my 1st thoguht is like i get in her head and go......why am i in a trek movie walking in the desert to no where on tatooine
then like ok transporters work ok why the hell walk anywhere , just beam to it already.....
haha
then its like the uniforms are ugly and remind me of the enterprise failed show....
and unlike TOS there is hardly any and i mean any white people....
it slike suddenly ten years after this show
they get sexy skirts and white people decide to come back form the nether regions of time
if you want a show that people that started on the other series to watch
dont turn it into a farce about race and gender
yes sulu is gay but he didn't play a gay character all those years , until the reboot had a gay directer take that shot
and we still dont know how two gay men had a kid or who the mom is....
if your gonna pull that crap FILL in the blanks...if your gonna go this route know its gonna have a tiny audience as i can tell you
if your gonna go back in time you need to have that 60's feel that old show did
IF they had been smart theyd have done this version of casting after voyager and then played with new tech
want to have the story perhaps an ep or two of time travel via the old around a black hole or some other tech
then you get to move onto new things like our privacy issues of the day, govt spying , censorship etc
USE those in your shows and you will win
NO ONEwants your govt mandated gender race religious crap
Was disappointed many, many times before JJ put the nail in the coffin. The magic is gone, long long gone and ain't coming back. Yet Paramount (or whoever owns them this time) keeps trying to press more life out of a series that the suits thought to kill back almost 40 years ago. Fuck. Nearly everyone who had anything to do with TOS that inspired such unprecedented fandom in syndicated re-runs are now, quite literally, dead - and yet studio execs slap a Trademark on a pilot and stick a few Trekkie easter-eggs in the script, and it's gotta get the green-light.
I've learned my lesson. If they have to slap "Star Trek(R)" and related paraphernalia on it to make you give it a second look, it's junk designed to take your money. There's better stuff out there like The Expanse or Oasis that don't need to name-drop to a 40-year old three-season TV show in order to get people to wanna watch it.
Trek Is Dead. Let it rest for fuck's sake. But you can't stop studio suits from squeezing "value" out of a Copyright and a Trademark property. Shit, Netflix is working on doing a remake of *cough* Lost In Space for fuck's sake. You could have a stroke thinking what sludge could spill out of that, but they're gonna produce it, probably at the expense of something original and good.
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Watching the trailer it seems to be an expensive awesome special effects TV show whose characters and stories will suck. I give it one season.
OK, here's the game: As quickly as you can, name four strong, male characters from series television (any network). I'm not talking about eggheads like Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory or screwups like Homer Simpson; I'm talking about traditionally male role models: Matt Dillon or James Kirk or Andy Griffith. These days, actual men are anathema.
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Alex Kurtzman will get all passive aggressive when faced with criticism.
"Everyone keeps asking for something new and innovative, but when you actually give it to them they complain that it is different."
Or...
"People complain that it doesn't look and feel right. Cause they've know how the space is supposed to be like."
Or...
"It's only a show. Not a science lesson."
It is after all how his palls Jar Jar and Lindelof reacted to criticism.
"Storytellers" who can't even come up with an excuse.
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The good news is this trailer strongly implies the series is actually going to be made.
The bad news is, I'm not optimistic about its quality. (Well, the trailer itself did nothing to change my opinion there. I'll see what happens once the episodes are out.)
Looks like it could be ok, but, if CBS thinks I'm going to shell out MONEY...forget it!
Considering there is supposed to be a "World" government, and there had been no indications of a radical shift of that make up, one would think that there would be vastly more Chinese and India crew members simply by the numbers. That said, perhaps it can be explained away a bit in that the HQ of Starfleet was somehow positioned in SF, but even then, not a lot of Mexicans on the crew either. Considering all these are US TV shows, and the demographics today, one would think they might throw in some Latin Americans or something if for nothing more than to cater to a larger audience.
However the jerk in me wants an episode where top brass at Star Fleet need to save some money (or credits, or resources or whatever) due to the conflict with the Klingons or something, and replace all the crew with Indians, and how that all turns out...
Also no Canadians? Give me some stereotypical Canadian (space)hockey lovin', lumberjack, apologist! "Oh is he some sort of alien?" "No, he's just Canadian..."
There was a Stargate SG1 episode where they were reluctantly trying to make a movie. There were several kind of parodies like the Wizard of Oz, Farscape, ... One was a 'teenager' spin, unanimously rejected by the team.
This trailer I feels the same to me.
All I saw was bad/over acting, several 'poseur' scenes there just to look 'cool' (for teenagers) and a few screams.
When I think 'Star Trek', I think TNG, OG or even Voyager : not J.J. Abrams, not this.
I really hope I'm wrong, but with the current productions mind set, as far as Star Trek is concerned, I can only quote this one:
It's dead, Jim.
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
I started to get interested, then this one character says his entire race was engineered for the sole purpose of "sensing death".
That's the stupidest thing I've heard on TV this year. Is there a writer's strike going on and the producer's fourteen-year-old nephew got the screenplay job?
Fire the script editor (and at least one writer) if you want this show to last seven years.
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>There was a Stargate SG1 episode where they were reluctantly trying to make a movie. There were several kind of parodies like the Wizard of Oz, Farscape
Some of my favourite Stargate memories are the self-aware stuff they threw in. Especially 'Wormhole X-Treme'.
It hasn't aged well, though. I mean, the basic concepts are solid but going back and re-watching a lot of it comes across as 'filler', low-effort stuff. And certainly low budget... most of the alien ship interiors were so Spartan they were barely there.
But it was always fun, wasn't it?
Can we just make everyone not a white male so I won't be a racist anymore for being a "rich white guy". Just make every character a black women. Thanks.
If it's not available on OTA broadcast, then I guess I'll never see this, even if it's good. Maybe if someone pirates it for me (I'd never do such a thing myself, though, LOL, that would be breaking the law!) or someone else I know is willing to actually pay, I might go see it at their house, but otherwise? I stopped paying for cable for a reason, and paying for 'streaming' is just like paying for cable. No thanks.
No worries. Chances are it'll be garbage anyway. The Rick Berman era of Star Trek movies and series was far from perfect, but it also had some pretty great moments in it. The new generation of millennial-driven content leaves me flat; it's all 'artificially Star Trek-flavored', ersatz, not the real thing so far as I'm concerned. Reboots don't always work.
in 2017 and beyond. Add misandry against masculine white males and you've got a blockbuster hit according to the producers these days.
I thought Jason Isaacs was advertised as the captain?
Remember, this is a prequel to the original series.
In this prequel, the women (in the trailer) are all wearing pants. By the time of the original series, they're generally wearing very short skirts.
So what we see here, observing the change over time, is a depiction of real progress in women's ability to be sexual creatures differentiating themselves from men, instead of the man-clothes-wearing oriented culture we are seeing in the here and now (and the prequel, which is clearly following that lead, but which highlights the positive changes that had occurred by the time of Kirk and Spock.)
It was.
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Doesn't look interesting enough for me to shell out money for yet another streaming service, and if it lasts more than a season or two I'll be surprised.
Parent is right. What bothers me most is that so many people seem to have completely missed the essentials of Star Trek -- they clearly didn't get it even if they liked it... somebody can just slap together an bizzaro Star Trek but put in some shallow references and fool way too many people.
The curiosity of fans has CREATED these problems because that $$$ proved to the execs that there isn't anything there; they were right -- it's just the exploitation of pop culture and nothing more.
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There were thousands to tens of thousands of women Trekkies back in the 70s and 80s into the Bromance between Spock and Kirk, and just in my 30 or so years I've two 4-6 women trekkies, not including the Dozens I've seen first at Trek Conventions then at Comic/Sci-Fi Conventions. And while I will agree there are lots of white males in the fandom, many socially ackward, there are at least as many covering women and minorities, at least in my part of the world. Given that the current king of Jordan was enough of a fan to get an extra spot on TNG, I would daresay the show and its values have spoken to people across the world, and having a more intellectual, criticial, and gritty should would go a long ways towards facilitiating both more interest in Trek and longer term more interest in Alumni and spinoff shows, should either happen. Having said this, I DON'T think a million dollar an episode shoot is a great idea. Maybe 250k, less big name actors (Michelle Yeoh is/was huge in China, and for anyone who doesn't know who she was: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon: She was the secondary female lead behind Zhang Zhiyi and alongside Chow Yun Fat(sp?))
The currently released trailers and previews of Discovery however have too much technological retconning going on, and seems to focusing more on glitz than content. Hopefully I will be proven wrong, but the last dozen trek shows and movies felt more like cash grabs than attempts to interweave stories inside of any sort of continuity.
Given what they must be paying Yeoh to star in Discovery, I can only imagine how insulting that would have been for Dorn.
Between him and Colm Meany(sp), they have the most years of Trek active of anyone left alive. (Nimoy, Roddenberry's wife and perhaps an extra somewhere might have more.)
Regarding Rod Roddenberry: After seeing some comments out of him years ago indicated he was a moneygrubbing shill in regard's to his father's legacy, with little actual interest or knowledge of it (For all Chris Tolkien's pitfalls, he at least has spent a great deal of time curating his late father's manuscripts?) I was pretty put off to any future trek that involved him, even above Moore, Berman, and other TNG+ alum.
Having come to the end of this section: Perhaps it is time to spin off a new legacy of Trek with a different world in a similiar spirit, only thing time ensure it is Creative Commons Sharealike. So anyone could do stories in the world, ideally crowdsourced, but the final material would always be freely distributable, leaving the future open to the development of the community or other interested parties. It would need some sort guidelines on canonically acceptable stories and plot arcs (So we don't end up with a horrible mishmash of time travel episodes constantly mutating the timeline, or people making their own character superior and godlike to everyone else's... unless that was the point of the story universe.)
Basically, it's Galaxy Quest movie for TV. Not sure if this Orville will be good. I didn't find its preview funny. Same for Young Sheldon as a TBBT fan.
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WELL the CHICOM / UBER LIBERAL takeover of Hollywood is complete. This is unwatchable FUBAR! Count me out. What a pathetic trailer. CBS should have the NETFLIX team develop the show. This "Re-Imagine horse crap" (aka pirate someone else's idea and EFF it up) is wearing thin with me. SO many other directions the series could take they picked THIS? What about Midway between Enterprise and TOS??? introducing a whole new set of characters. Child Spock....really! What a cop out. Looks like an activists dream platform though, yet another interpretation of Klingons. Whos the "social consultant" Barbara Walters? Sort of reminds me of "The View'" in space. Continuity full reverse!! Enterprise was the last Star Trek "Anything" that I truly felt was Roddenberry's vision. Abrams movies could literally have been slightly rewritten to fit in ANY story universe. This looks like a sexist racist approach to a new audience using a much loved backstory with 50 years of fans. "new" Ghostbusters goes in space could be the title! I WONT BE WATCHING THIS CRAP!
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
"The Orville" on FOX! Star Trek is over done. You can't beat the original.
Ricky kissed Lucy. Way before.
Oh, that doesn't count because Ricky can "pass" for white?
More racist bullshit by the SJW brigade.