I've been in the camp that thinks that all's fair in the digital relm. Whatever can be locked can be unlocked and whatever code could be implemented by the east coast that attempt to control/limit the flow of information can be built apon to do the opposite by the West Coast coding freedom fighters. This presents a difficult problem for those seeking to maintain control. The better control, the more difficult and expensive it becomes to the consumer!; I feel this should be the number one issue on how to advance copyright reform and I feel like most companies make product format/design decisions not based on what is good for the consumer, but rather how best to fatten their bottom lines. Ever get pissed when mcdonalds become tight with their katsup? As a consumer, I refuse to purchase anything that requires propritary storage medians, ie.. dvd's, sony devices with memory sticks or makes me pay for proprietary software that I will not use, etc..
I believe copyright law as it pertains to digital works has already gained the same enforcement priorities as catching citizens illegally crossing the road. I also feel most of the east coast code is more bark than bite, designed to create fear to obtain compliance.
My question is this..Since copyright has traditionally had it's roots in censorship and political control, how do you think we are currently being censored/controlled in the digital relm of the internet and what is the best stratedgy on combatting the IPDroids who seek to control us with their hidden code?
--If the game makers are selling their boxes at a loss, why do you think they don't just sell software that runs on every device?
How does this protect your privacy? While freenet uses encryption to protect your privacy, ibm uses it to grant or deny access; therein lies the rub, ie.. commerical entities only code for commercial and government interest, while non-commercial entities have better motivations and their code's functionality relfects it.
BTW, is this released under the GPL? If so, take the best of this or add a layer of encryption to it so that it provides the functionality of privacy as does freenet.
I have one thing to say to cable companies, You are replaceable! Forget the idea of being able to charge per device and have control only IPDroids druel over; high speed wireless networked computers will enable people to replace High speed adsl/cable service alltogether!
YOu better stop trying to force your will on US through congress, or you'll really understand what a commodity market is all about, ie.. squeeze people enough, and they will figure out how to rid themself from your arms!
Who is technology for anyway? The consumer, or the IPDroids?
Forget the fact you can download it for free, or have it included with your favorite linux distribution; convience of getting it off the shelf at best buy under the GPL GAME SECTION for five bucks a pop, is the way to go.
The proprietary version will probably be 30$ and they'll sell 10,000 or so vs. 75,000 gpl'd games at 5$ a pop.
--the temptation to exploit users through hidden code is too great for proprietary software. ie.. haven't they learned anything yet? 300,000 gross sales for propiretary version vs. 375,000 for gpl games, you do the math!
I'd gladly fork out 100$ for a dinner at a convetion center, if lessig was speaking. If he did a dinner a night and traveled from city to citry, I suspect it would do a good job of raising money for eff and allow similar minds the ability to get together and discuss ideas and scheme. I think If you were a online business and decided to donate half of your net profits to eff, you'd get alot more business. If it was competiton to cheap bytes, I'm sure people would be willing to pay 1/3 more than cheapbytes pricing, knowing that half the money is going to eff.
If the goal is freedom and control, there is not any room for proprietary software; the temptation to exploit users through their codebase is too great.
On the other hand, if proprietary licenses allowed for fair use(provided the source) and encouraged fixing bugs, adding features and allowed distribution of alterations(patches) to existing programs, I'd be open to other things besided the gpl; but until that day comes.. death to proprietary skunkware!
The treaty has supporters, of course. The Motion Picture Association of America, the Recording Industry of America Association, and the Business Software Alliance all favor the treaty's requirement that certain large-scale copyright infringements be handled under criminal law. In general, such "attacks" are now handled under civil law in most countries.
The International Entertainment police will now be throwing you in the clink, for using encryptionless P2P technology, which is working on being made illegal in the UK, as quoted from NTK.
The Tories are proposing an amendment that will attempt to ensure that no data will be "disclosed to any private individual or organisation without responsibilities for
national security." A nice idea, which means that not even the owner of the traffic data will be able to see what's held on them. And did we say ISPs will be keeping this data? Oh, sorry, we mean "a person who provides a postal service or a telecommunications service". By the legal definition of telecommunications service, you'll be pleased to know that your P2P file-sharing client falls into that category. Hope you're keeping those logs nice and neat for the kindly
policeman.
Jack will be mighty dissapointed when he finds linux fanatics don't steal IP, they hack their own and enjoy sharing their own. valenti and company will never be able to compete with the spirit of the GPL, not in a million years.
I wonder if good ol' country boy Jack will be happy if people started to get shot, all in the name of IP enforcement.
I totally agree with redhat's ceo. msft should not give away their skunkware as part of a settlement option; it cost them nothing and the poor the opportunity to gain technical knowledge on worldwide computer technologies. Not only that, but the cost of licenses(in five years) is prohibitive to poorer schools.
If msft did buy hardware, i'm sure they would make sure that it was the least linux compatible on the market, so msft should make arrangements with valinux, ibm and the rest of the linux pc makers.
Actually, if the poor waits a few years, they'll be able to get an embedded linux webpad for peanuts.
Each Party shall adopt such legislative and other measures as may be necessary to establish as criminal offences under its domestic law, when committed intentionally, the serious hindering without right of the functioning of a computer system by inputting, transmitting, damaging, deleting, deteriorating, altering or suppressing computer data.
The clinton administration sold to syria nsa grade communication devices that makes eavesdropping on terrorist impossible, appearently the bush administration is not any different. We've given 125 Million to afganistan last year, and many millions the year before.
One must ask themself, Is our government sponsering terrorism and what things they stand to gain, we stand to lose?
Governments around the world are groping to maintain their powers, democracies and communists states alike, they'll kill as many of us as it takes, until they get what they want.
Why do they seek to impose restrictions on honest peoples liberties? I deserve privacy, besides the terrorists/criminals don't run government approved software, so why should honest folks be forced to?
I mean with the mass production of cars and trucks; how much do we even need rail? All it takes is one guy tampering with the tracks and we all go tumbling off the tracks together!
Why not require that they get an embedded handheld device(with mini-keyboard)? You R talking about a savings of 500$ or more, by going with the embedded device!
Will it be against the dmca to use an unapproved driver when accessing dvd-rw's? You might not want to rely on a proprietary storage format for your data storage, as you will be at the mercy of the proprietary technology holder, should he remotely upgrade the device which rendures it unuseable.
I'll bet dvd-rw's will be 5X+ higher cost than cd-r's, but hey.. Jack Valenti needs to get paid.
This will lead to subscription software?
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I think you've allready missed the boat comrad. It's allready happening! What exactely is the RedHat Network and xiniam about?
The sad thing is, it's not sad at all. You can have your cake and eat it too {in the digital wold that is, hehee}
DVD's are allready available online on various p2p systems(or should I say the raw mpegs from the dvd are allready available) for 0$.
I cannot speak for windows users or linux users that aren't a gplnut/freesoftwarefanatic(like me).. but I will say the *only* reasons I will take the free route vs. the proprietary_only_access pay route, is I don't have to forfit control, privacy, security or fair use rights under the free route, ie.. I don't need a proprietary access device to play the mpeg's ripped from the dvd.
The only reason I run linux is because i believe I have the right be in control, and that I have the right to privacy, security and fair use. I always pay for my offtheshelf linux distributions, so price is not the issue with me. If the IPDroids would *release* their works in an open format, i'd ditch p2p systems in a heart beat for 4$ mpeg's.
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I've been in the camp that thinks that all's fair in the digital relm. Whatever can be locked can be unlocked and whatever code could be implemented by the east coast that attempt to control/limit the flow of information can be built apon to do the opposite by the West Coast coding freedom fighters. This presents a difficult problem for those seeking to maintain control. The better control, the more difficult and expensive it becomes to the consumer!; I feel this should be the number one issue on how to advance copyright reform and I feel like most companies make product format/design decisions not based on what is good for the consumer, but rather how best to fatten their bottom lines. Ever get pissed when mcdonalds become tight with their katsup? As a consumer, I refuse to purchase anything that requires propritary storage medians, ie.. dvd's, sony devices with memory sticks or makes me pay for proprietary software that I will not use, etc..
I believe copyright law as it pertains to digital works has already gained the same enforcement priorities as catching citizens illegally crossing the road. I also feel most of the east coast code is more bark than bite, designed to create fear to obtain compliance.
My question is this..Since copyright has traditionally had it's roots in censorship and political control, how do you think we are currently being censored/controlled in the digital relm of the internet and what is the best stratedgy on combatting the IPDroids who seek to control us with their hidden code?
--If the game makers are selling their boxes at a loss, why do you think they don't just sell software that runs on every device?
How does this protect your privacy? While freenet uses encryption to protect your privacy, ibm uses it to grant or deny access; therein lies the rub, ie.. commerical entities only code for commercial and government interest, while non-commercial entities have better motivations and their code's functionality relfects it.
BTW, is this released under the GPL? If so, take the best of this or add a layer of encryption to it so that it provides the functionality of privacy as does freenet.
--turn on your freenet nodes, we've won the war!
I have one thing to say to cable companies, You are replaceable! Forget the idea of being able to charge per device and have control only IPDroids druel over; high speed wireless networked computers will enable people to replace High speed adsl/cable service alltogether!
YOu better stop trying to force your will on US through congress, or you'll really understand what a commodity market is all about, ie.. squeeze people enough, and they will figure out how to rid themself from your arms!
Who is technology for anyway? The consumer, or the IPDroids?
Forget the fact you can download it for free, or have it included with your favorite linux distribution; convience of getting it off the shelf at best buy under the GPL GAME SECTION for five bucks a pop, is the way to go.
The proprietary version will probably be 30$ and they'll sell 10,000 or so vs. 75,000 gpl'd games at 5$ a pop.
--the temptation to exploit users through hidden code is too great for proprietary software. ie.. haven't they learned anything yet? 300,000 gross sales for propiretary version vs. 375,000 for gpl games, you do the math!
I'd gladly fork out 100$ for a dinner at a convetion center, if lessig was speaking. If he did a dinner a night and traveled from city to citry, I suspect it would do a good job of raising money for eff and allow similar minds the ability to get together and discuss ideas and scheme. I think If you were a online business and decided to donate half of your net profits to eff, you'd get alot more business. If it was competiton to cheap bytes, I'm sure people would be willing to pay 1/3 more than cheapbytes pricing, knowing that half the money is going to eff.
If the goal is freedom and control, there is not any room for proprietary software; the temptation to exploit users through their codebase is too great.
On the other hand, if proprietary licenses allowed for fair use(provided the source) and encouraged fixing bugs, adding features and allowed distribution of alterations(patches) to existing programs, I'd be open to other things besided the gpl; but until that day comes.. death to proprietary skunkware!
--sharpen your sword, and stick it to them good
The treaty has supporters, of course. The Motion Picture Association of America, the Recording Industry of America Association, and the Business Software Alliance all favor the treaty's requirement that certain large-scale copyright infringements be handled under criminal law. In general, such "attacks" are now handled under civil law in most countries.
The International Entertainment police will now be throwing you in the clink, for using encryptionless P2P technology, which is working on being made illegal in the UK, as quoted from NTK.
The Tories are proposing an amendment that will attempt to ensure that no data will be "disclosed to any private individual or organisation without responsibilities for
national security." A nice idea, which means that not even the owner of the traffic data will be able to see what's held on them. And did we say ISPs will be keeping this data? Oh, sorry, we mean "a person who provides a postal service or a telecommunications service". By the legal definition of telecommunications service, you'll be pleased to know that your P2P file-sharing client falls into that category. Hope you're keeping those logs nice and neat for the kindly
policeman.
Jack will be mighty dissapointed when he finds linux fanatics don't steal IP, they hack their own and enjoy sharing their own. valenti and company will never be able to compete with the spirit of the GPL, not in a million years.
I wonder if good ol' country boy Jack will be happy if people started to get shot, all in the name of IP enforcement.I totally agree with redhat's ceo. msft should not give away their skunkware as part of a settlement option; it cost them nothing and the poor the opportunity to gain technical knowledge on worldwide computer technologies. Not only that, but the cost of licenses(in five years) is prohibitive to poorer schools.
If msft did buy hardware, i'm sure they would make sure that it was the least linux compatible on the market, so msft should make arrangements with valinux, ibm and the rest of the linux pc makers.
Actually, if the poor waits a few years, they'll be able to get an embedded linux webpad for peanuts.
I just went to sega's dreamcast webpage and typed "dreamcast broadband adapter" and a link came up and then it said it was not available.
What good is a device, without network capability?
Article 5 ? System interference
Each Party shall adopt such legislative and other measures as may be necessary to establish as criminal offences under its domestic law, when committed intentionally, the serious hindering without right of the functioning of a computer system by inputting, transmitting, damaging, deleting, deteriorating, altering or suppressing computer data.
The wording sounds very loose.
I might have to take my operation offshore.
Trying to capitalize on tradgedy to further their own interest, is as sick as the tradgedgy itself!
--Freedom is a state of mind
I would like to see the question to see how it's shaped. I don't believe for a minute, americans would sacrifice privacy for the promise of security.
The war is over your mind, and it *is* very much political.
They'll make it more convienent to comply than to not comply.
This site has many nifty links.
The clinton administration sold to syria nsa grade communication devices that makes eavesdropping on terrorist impossible, appearently the bush administration is not any different. We've given 125 Million to afganistan last year, and many millions the year before.One must ask themself, Is our government sponsering terrorism and what things they stand to gain, we stand to lose?
Governments around the world are groping to maintain their powers, democracies and communists states alike, they'll kill as many of us as it takes, until they get what they want.
Why do they seek to impose restrictions on honest peoples liberties? I deserve privacy, besides the terrorists/criminals don't run government approved software, so why should honest folks be forced to?
--Use wirless for commerce at your own risk!
I hope they are not asking me to run proprietary code on my gnu/linux device!
--This is against my religion!
I mean with the mass production of cars and trucks; how much do we even need rail? All it takes is one guy tampering with the tracks and we all go tumbling off the tracks together!
It only makes sense. Watch them FBI agents cry for more money once free software is delivered in an encyprted enviornment, LOL..
Does anybody have a url for that c-net link?
I looked at page source, but didn't see a url for realplayer.
If anybody has the url for the video, please post it.
thanx
Why not require that they get an embedded handheld device(with mini-keyboard)? You R talking about a savings of 500$ or more, by going with the embedded device!
--Yeah two party system!!\\\**Money4Laws**///
Will it be against the dmca to use an unapproved driver when accessing dvd-rw's? You might not want to rely on a proprietary storage format for your data storage, as you will be at the mercy of the proprietary technology holder, should he remotely upgrade the device which rendures it unuseable.
I'll bet dvd-rw's will be 5X+ higher cost than cd-r's, but hey.. Jack Valenti needs to get paid.
I think you've allready missed the boat comrad. It's allready happening! What exactely is the RedHat Network and xiniam about?
The sad thing is, it's not sad at all. You can have your cake and eat it too {in the digital wold that is, hehee}
--Prepare yourself, the dark forces may strike.
Perhaps we can take the best of Unix and put in linux, eh?
--Prepare yourself, the day is comming
DVD's are allready available online on various p2p systems(or should I say the raw mpegs from the dvd are allready available) for 0$.
I cannot speak for windows users or linux users that aren't a gplnut/freesoftwarefanatic(like me).. but I will say the *only* reasons I will take the free route vs. the proprietary_only_access pay route, is I don't have to forfit control, privacy, security or fair use rights under the free route, ie.. I don't need a proprietary access device to play the mpeg's ripped from the dvd.
The only reason I run linux is because i believe I have the right be in control, and that I have the right to privacy, security and fair use. I always pay for my offtheshelf linux distributions, so price is not the issue with me. If the IPDroids would *release* their works in an open format, i'd ditch p2p systems in a heart beat for 4$ mpeg's.