I *click* think I *click* know *click* why the *click* iomega *click* zip drive *click* never *click* *click* caught *click* on *click!* *click!* *click!*
Ah I was lucky I bought the SCSI external version and never had any click of death issues, but then again I didn't use the drive except as backup, and my discs only went in my drive. Still works, I still have 14 blank discs. Well they're blank now. long since archived to CDs.
Oh and BTW, it's flash memory readers that have put the last nail in the coffin for the floppy. recordable CDs and DVDs are part of the picture, but for true portality of rewritable data you can't beat a USB thumbdrive/flash memory reader.
Ah, well what I said wasn't wrong, I just didn't read the word 'Color' at the end of what GP said ^^; Keep in mind, there Will be emulators that play the GBC on the DS, the ARM processor on there is more than capable, it's just a matter of porting existing GBC emulator code from PDAs etc.
Playing, oddly enough, my Game Boy Color games that I haven't finished, that I can't play on the DS
You know, you can buy a flash linker that comes with emulators... to play GB games on the DS. There are a few caveat, there are no 'ds' specific linkers, they all work for both GBA and DS, so only a handful have NES/GB emulators included, and some of the loaders GB emulators have limits to the size ROM they can play. sure, your PS has a bios hack that lets you play GB ROMs, but you have to buy memory sticks, most flash linkers use standard memory types (CF or SD)
So while you still have to buy a spendy device to use the memory... it's not like you can't play game boy games on the DS. I think the coolest thing ever would be if Nintendo made some kind of 'official' online rom distribution site, packed the roms in some kind of 'drm' protected file, and made a flash linker that could be 'syched' up to your pc's/DS/nintendo revolution for your 'legitmate' online purchased rom collection. To keep costs lower, you could use some sort of peer distribution software that could run on the revolution or a PC connected to the internet...
You can spend an endless amount of money and effort on 'being safe' and someone somewhere can still find a weakness.
True security is something that comes from having a plan to deal with the aftermath of someone exploiting your vulnerabilities. You will always have a weakness, a vulnerability, the best thing you can do is know it, and be ready for it to be exploited.
That is why as you say training is key, but don't forget technology can play a role in bringing about 'true' security. yeah, it's sad the way governments always panic, and rush to make the public believe something 'is being done.'
Doing security right is something that can't be rushed, you have to do it right. There aren't any shortcuts.
I know this article is a -5 Flamebait, but Don't disrespect the Cowyboy. There are a lot of interesting discussion threads going on in this story. Sure it's been done before, many times on/. . It's nice to be able to laugh a little, at the jokes people make on gpl v. bsd, even if we've seen them before, as long as they're done a little differently.
Cowboy neil is one of the handful of/. editors that truly has my respect. He keeps the servers going, he's a great guy. He accepted this submission because he felt like slashdot needed a good flamebait article to keep things interesting.
BSD licensed software has enabled Apple to switch from a faltering OS to a nice, robust one.
The GPL license however is primarilly used by people who for philosophical reasons have only the objective of keeping the source free. In fact, GPL is so harsh and restrictive, that anyone who hopes to someday be able to make a profit use a different license. Usually not the BSD license, but generally they write thier own, or modify someone elses.
So really when it comes right down to it, BSD's philosphy is share the love. Let the code be used, any way so long as credit is given. The GPLs is, all we care about is protecting the code that people have contributed. Anyone anywhere can sell software based on either code license so long as they follow the 'rules.' That's why small developers generally use a completely different licese. One that protects who can profit from the source, while still allowing the code to be modified freely, or semi-freely.
Why didn't Slashdot wait until after the release before reporting on this?
I'm still trying to figure out why they used the correctly spelled submission. I mean Neanderthal isn't an easy to spell word. I always try to spell it Neandetaw, or something like that. Surely something is afoot here.. an article subission without any spelling errors, wasn't rejected?!? Ahh my head is going to implode!
duude you mean I have to wait that long for my array of neanderthal's painting my data on cave walls? Guess I'll have to resort to using chinese, even though thier work isn't nearly as time tested..
it's a saying older than the hills... they really should have adopted something more like 'strobe lights, and neon signs' or something to that effect.. but back in the day, sound was how you attracted people. you wanted to get people to come, you made lots of deafening noises that epople would hear 2-3 miles awaya and come out to look see what all the ruckus was about. so having 'all the bells and whistles' means having what it takes to draw the masses to you.
Debian Sarge old??? It was released a month ago.. Ahh Mr. Coward, I would like to take this chance to inform you of how debian is released. Sarge's feature set was 'frozen' over 13 months ago. that means only bugfixes and security patches could be applied. enhancements to the detection routine were forked to Sid. Normally it would have been 13 months ago, but Sarge 'wasn't ready' by it's scheduled release date, so Sarge has been frozen longer.
Meanwhile, 13 months of hardware detection devlopment, etc has all gone on. Debian is was and has been taking the 'slow and steady' approach. Do things right, make sure they work.
Knoppix 4.0 is using the latest and greatest detection routines from Sid. Meanwhile, to deal with the legacy that is sarge, Etch has been forked, from Sarge's source, with an effort to take everything good from sid they can, and build a solid base for the next major release. Etch will be frozen at some point, and then they'll be busy making it ready to be officially debian 3.2. Sid in the meantime will go through various states of being 'broken' etc and etch might even get forked again and again, until sid is ready to to be merged in completely, and frozen as the next stable release... and then they'll replace sid.. they have a lot of toy story names left so they can make a lot of revisions yet.
Oh come on... Show me one person in the world who cannot install any retail application from a CD.
Well, we know you've never held a helpdesk job, and you've never done freelance/in store computer repair work either. I for one, have. and believe you me, there are at least 6 billion human beings incapable of inserting a software cd into the computer, and then entering a 24 digit cd-key, to install said commercial software..
I'm being generous saying that 452,047,056 people globally are smart enough to be able to install software by themselves too. I'm a generous guy.
Note to moderators: This post while it may be funny, was entirely meant to be insighful or interesting.
The earth's oliptical orbit is nearly circular, the axis wobble is consistant, so the only difference left is the fact that the southern hemisphere has less ozone, and the number of sunny days a particular location gets.
The sun is not 'brighter' the atmosphere is protecting you less from the harmful UV radiation. That and the statistical number of 'sunny' days, but that would vary from location to location, and there are a few locations in the nothern hemisphere that average 360 sunny days a year too. Trying to aggregate that data for a country the size of austrailia would be meaningless, so even if you find the statistical number of sunny days in say, sydney, I bet one could find 5 locations in the northern hemisphere at about the same longitude with as many, or more sunny days per year if one tried, and had access to the data.
Anyways, nice try, your 'gut' feeling was wrong, the reason they have more skin cancer deaths is because they're the ones suffering from low ozone levels. That and the great barrier reef has protected some of the finest beaches in the world. So, you'd have to find a northern hemisphere country at about the same longitude and size with as many beaches... and frankly, you can't do that 'exactly perfect' the closest would be if you included the entire caribbean island chain, with mexico, and agregate the number of deaths from skin cancer in that region.
it's because the moderator was going to use that joke, but was beat to the punchline and was angry.
This is why simple jokes like this should always be posed AC, so far the guy has lost 2 karma over a very simple basic joke... that mods were jealous of being beaten to the punchline on...
no. I think the record stands at 22. The same story, covered 22 times in a 13 month span, from various news aggregators, blogs etc. I could be wrong though, I don't have 'hard' numbers.
Knoppix is a linux distroy anyone can use, the automated hardware detection etc is supurb. The DVD 4.0 version does demonstrate a lot of the incompatability issues he's talking about though. because knoppix has ~6 gigs of applications (they're compressed on the DVD image) many of the applications are broken.
Debian is the distro Knoppix is based of of, so it has really good hardware detection, but the 'stable' version is using the 'older' proven stable detection routines. That means it doesn't configure everything perfectly, for instance I had to enable DMA on my dvd-rom, and I had to use k3b to 'configure the system' for cd/dvd burning*.
I also have the advantage of having prior experience, So I know how to install flash support for my secondary browser, and how to configure java, which isn't included in debian because it's not FOSS. Plus I knew that the FOSS drivers suck compared to the proprietary ones, so I knew where to find them, and I knew what settings to set in the 'install' script for them, because I've been messing around with X11 config files for years now...
So basically, initial set up is probably beyond most users, but the same is true of windows. Most windows users can't even install applications by themselves, and when they try to the end up with a million spyware programs.
Debian is 'ready' for the desktop. The installer is painless for geeks, and simple enough for rice boys. A few noobs might even get lucky with it. The stable version while old, has a very simple gui based app finder that anyone who can use download.com can learn how to use.
*= Because i'm lazy. I wasn't going to muck about trying to figure anything out.
What you are saying was perfectly correct even 3 years or so ago. Hrm no. no need to repeat myself
Running cpus at full load has made a huge difference in the cost of operation since the early pentium days. His point is that the cost of the 'electricity' is less than the cost of buying/powering new hardware specifically designed to do the work. Remember the electrical cost of the systems that are idle doesn't go away. those systems are on, anyways. Computer lab access is generally 24 hours a day, so the systems always need to be on, thus they always need to use power.
You are right that running under load can double or even triple electricity consumption (the CPU isn't the only piece of electronics in a desktop that has a 'power saving mode') the motherboard shuts down whatever it can, the PSU especially lowers rotational speeds on fans to reduce power, the PSU itself wastes less power on conversion etc etc.. but all that was just as true 5 years ago.
The fact of the matter is your main savings is on the hardware cost. Even if you consider that a true cluster is going to be more efficient than a distributed cluster, the fact that you're increasing electrical draw by buying said cluster without being able to reduce the number of idle systems is enough to offset the slightly greater electrical draw/mips ratio of distributed computing.
A big cluster has way more fans, and cpus, and many many high power server class PSU's, unless you're running it directly from a DC power generating station.
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So someone prove me wrong, what's the electricity cost of running a CPU at full cycles for a year vs. running at typical load?
I can't tell you a whole year, but I can tell you for a month. Alright let's go back to DivX;-) days when it was a hacked M$ codec... I was paying $20 a month ($10 over the 'minimum') for electricity. The first month I started doing DivX;-) encoding, from various sources... my monthly bill shot up to $45. So, $25 a month more than at idle, per computer. (this assumes you run at full load)
Keep in mind that's still pretty cheap, if you've got decent, fairly new computers you're getting a pretty good mips/$ ratio. If however you've got a lab full of pentium 2's and you're running all this specialized software on it, well frakly the cost ratio slides downhill fast. Especially when you consider you could replace 'just what needs to be replaced' to get those systems up to entry level semptron-64's for less than a year's worth of electricity.
The cost to benefit ratio of doing stuff like this entirely depends on the class of desktop computers you're running it on. So your point is only valid if the technology powering the desktops is less than 3-4 years old, otherwise it makes more sense to either A. upgrade the desktops and continue with idle cycle usage plan or B. buy a real cluster.
Ah, I just wrote what I felt about the series.. I tend to not check for factual accuracy, because this is slashdot, I'd rather let the community check my 'statements' for facutal accuracy, and demur to people who are more knowledgable than me;)
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I *click* think I *click* know *click* why the *click* iomega *click* zip drive *click* never *click* *click* caught *click* on *click!* *click!* *click!*
Ah I was lucky I bought the SCSI external version and never had any click of death issues, but then again I didn't use the drive except as backup, and my discs only went in my drive. Still works, I still have 14 blank discs. Well they're blank now. long since archived to CDs.
Oh and BTW, it's flash memory readers that have put the last nail in the coffin for the floppy. recordable CDs and DVDs are part of the picture, but for true portality of rewritable data you can't beat a USB thumbdrive/flash memory reader.
Ah, well what I said wasn't wrong, I just didn't read the word 'Color' at the end of what GP said ^^;
Keep in mind, there Will be emulators that play the GBC on the DS, the ARM processor on there is more than capable, it's just a matter of porting existing GBC emulator code from PDAs etc.
Playing, oddly enough, my Game Boy Color games that I haven't finished, that I can't play on the DS
You know, you can buy a flash linker that comes with emulators... to play GB games on the DS. There are a few caveat, there are no 'ds' specific linkers, they all work for both GBA and DS, so only a handful have NES/GB emulators included, and some of the loaders GB emulators have limits to the size ROM they can play. sure, your PS has a bios hack that lets you play GB ROMs, but you have to buy memory sticks, most flash linkers use standard memory types (CF or SD)
So while you still have to buy a spendy device to use the memory... it's not like you can't play game boy games on the DS. I think the coolest thing ever would be if Nintendo made some kind of 'official' online rom distribution site, packed the roms in some kind of 'drm' protected file, and made a flash linker that could be 'syched' up to your pc's/DS/nintendo revolution for your 'legitmate' online purchased rom collection. To keep costs lower, you could use some sort of peer distribution software that could run on the revolution or a PC connected to the internet...
Whew.. and here I thought Crossfire was Show on cnn. I guess the good names are all used ;)
I'd just like to elaborate on your point.
You can spend an endless amount of money and effort on 'being safe' and someone somewhere can still find a weakness.
True security is something that comes from having a plan to deal with the aftermath of someone exploiting your vulnerabilities. You will always have a weakness, a vulnerability, the best thing you can do is know it, and be ready for it to be exploited.
That is why as you say training is key, but don't forget technology can play a role in bringing about 'true' security. yeah, it's sad the way governments always panic, and rush to make the public believe something 'is being done.'
Doing security right is something that can't be rushed, you have to do it right. There aren't any shortcuts.
The /. editor should be drubbed soundly.
/. . It's nice to be able to laugh a little, at the jokes people make on gpl v. bsd, even if we've seen them before, as long as they're done a little differently.
/. editors that truly has my respect. He keeps the servers going, he's a great guy. He accepted this submission because he felt like slashdot needed a good flamebait article to keep things interesting.
I know this article is a -5 Flamebait, but Don't disrespect the Cowyboy. There are a lot of interesting discussion threads going on in this story. Sure it's been done before, many times on
Cowboy neil is one of the handful of
BSD licensed software has enabled Apple to switch from a faltering OS to a nice, robust one.
The GPL license however is primarilly used by people who for philosophical reasons have only the objective of keeping the source free. In fact, GPL is so harsh and restrictive, that anyone who hopes to someday be able to make a profit use a different license. Usually not the BSD license, but generally they write thier own, or modify someone elses.
So really when it comes right down to it, BSD's philosphy is share the love. Let the code be used, any way so long as credit is given. The GPLs is, all we care about is protecting the code that people have contributed. Anyone anywhere can sell software based on either code license so long as they follow the 'rules.' That's why small developers generally use a completely different licese. One that protects who can profit from the source, while still allowing the code to be modified freely, or semi-freely.
Congatulations on post 13 million.5 077&cid=13000000
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15
nice.. i wonder which story will get post 13 million. at the current posting rate someone should be getting close.. I C More Posting... ;)
The software and hardware that drives my heart and lungs require 100% uptime.
I have sleep apnea, you insensitive clod!
(I never spaced lines by 10, what was up with that)
It was for debugging, the 0 column was perfect for sliding your finger down the page of printed code.
Why didn't Slashdot wait until after the release before reporting on this?
I'm still trying to figure out why they used the correctly spelled submission. I mean Neanderthal isn't an easy to spell word. I always try to spell it Neandetaw, or something like that. Surely something is afoot here.. an article subission without any spelling errors, wasn't rejected?!? Ahh my head is going to implode!
March 21, 2012: Neanderthal Man cloned.
duude you mean I have to wait that long for my array of neanderthal's painting my data on cave walls? Guess I'll have to resort to using chinese, even though thier work isn't nearly as time tested..
it's a saying older than the hills... they really should have adopted something more like 'strobe lights, and neon signs' or something to that effect.. but back in the day, sound was how you attracted people. you wanted to get people to come, you made lots of deafening noises that epople would hear 2-3 miles awaya and come out to look see what all the ruckus was about. so having 'all the bells and whistles' means having what it takes to draw the masses to you.
I know a HURD full of HIRDs just waiting to bring GNU users the ability to install kernel drivers.
Debian Sarge old??? It was released a month ago..
Ahh Mr. Coward, I would like to take this chance to inform you of how debian is released. Sarge's feature set was 'frozen' over 13 months ago. that means only bugfixes and security patches could be applied. enhancements to the detection routine were forked to Sid. Normally it would have been 13 months ago, but Sarge 'wasn't ready' by it's scheduled release date, so Sarge has been frozen longer.
Meanwhile, 13 months of hardware detection devlopment, etc has all gone on. Debian is was and has been taking the 'slow and steady' approach. Do things right, make sure they work.
Knoppix 4.0 is using the latest and greatest detection routines from Sid. Meanwhile, to deal with the legacy that is sarge, Etch has been forked, from Sarge's source, with an effort to take everything good from sid they can, and build a solid base for the next major release. Etch will be frozen at some point, and then they'll be busy making it ready to be officially debian 3.2. Sid in the meantime will go through various states of being 'broken' etc and etch might even get forked again and again, until sid is ready to to be merged in completely, and frozen as the next stable release... and then they'll replace sid.. they have a lot of toy story names left so they can make a lot of revisions yet.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/321a/
Now that code, is art. Most code is just craft, but to make a working perl program, that is an ascii-art of a camel, that is True Art..
Oh come on... Show me one person in the world who cannot install any retail application from a CD.
Well, we know you've never held a helpdesk job, and you've never done freelance/in store computer repair work either.
I for one, have. and believe you me, there are at least 6 billion human beings incapable of inserting a software cd into the computer, and then entering a 24 digit cd-key, to install said commercial software..
I'm being generous saying that 452,047,056 people globally are smart enough to be able to install software by themselves too. I'm a generous guy.
Note to moderators: This post while it may be funny, was entirely meant to be insighful or interesting.
The only difference between northern climates and australia is that the southern hemisphere has a lower ozone density http://www.webwombat.com.au/careers_ed/education/o zone.htm
The earth's oliptical orbit is nearly circular, the axis wobble is consistant, so the only difference left is the fact that the southern hemisphere has less ozone, and the number of sunny days a particular location gets.
The sun is not 'brighter' the atmosphere is protecting you less from the harmful UV radiation. That and the statistical number of 'sunny' days, but that would vary from location to location, and there are a few locations in the nothern hemisphere that average 360 sunny days a year too. Trying to aggregate that data for a country the size of austrailia would be meaningless, so even if you find the statistical number of sunny days in say, sydney, I bet one could find 5 locations in the northern hemisphere at about the same longitude with as many, or more sunny days per year if one tried, and had access to the data.
Anyways, nice try, your 'gut' feeling was wrong, the reason they have more skin cancer deaths is because they're the ones suffering from low ozone levels. That and the great barrier reef has protected some of the finest beaches in the world.
So, you'd have to find a northern hemisphere country at about the same longitude and size with as many beaches... and frankly, you can't do that 'exactly perfect' the closest would be if you included the entire caribbean island chain, with mexico, and agregate the number of deaths from skin cancer in that region.
it's because the moderator was going to use that joke, but was beat to the punchline and was angry.
This is why simple jokes like this should always be posed AC, so far the guy has lost 2 karma over a very simple basic joke... that mods were jealous of being beaten to the punchline on...
no. I think the record stands at 22. The same story, covered 22 times in a 13 month span, from various news aggregators, blogs etc. I could be wrong though, I don't have 'hard' numbers.
Knoppix is a linux distroy anyone can use, the automated hardware detection etc is supurb. The DVD 4.0 version does demonstrate a lot of the incompatability issues he's talking about though. because knoppix has ~6 gigs of applications (they're compressed on the DVD image) many of the applications are broken.
Debian is the distro Knoppix is based of of, so it has really good hardware detection, but the 'stable' version is using the 'older' proven stable detection routines. That means it doesn't configure everything perfectly, for instance I had to enable DMA on my dvd-rom, and I had to use k3b to 'configure the system' for cd/dvd burning*.
I also have the advantage of having prior experience, So I know how to install flash support for my secondary browser, and how to configure java, which isn't included in debian because it's not FOSS. Plus I knew that the FOSS drivers suck compared to the proprietary ones, so I knew where to find them, and I knew what settings to set in the 'install' script for them, because I've been messing around with X11 config files for years now...
So basically, initial set up is probably beyond most users, but the same is true of windows. Most windows users can't even install applications by themselves, and when they try to the end up with a million spyware programs.
Debian is 'ready' for the desktop. The installer is painless for geeks, and simple enough for rice boys. A few noobs might even get lucky with it. The stable version while old, has a very simple gui based app finder that anyone who can use download.com can learn how to use.
*= Because i'm lazy. I wasn't going to muck about trying to figure anything out.
What you are saying was perfectly correct even 3 years or so ago.
Hrm no.
no need to repeat myself
Running cpus at full load has made a huge difference in the cost of operation since the early pentium days. His point is that the cost of the 'electricity' is less than the cost of buying/powering new hardware specifically designed to do the work. Remember the electrical cost of the systems that are idle doesn't go away. those systems are on, anyways. Computer lab access is generally 24 hours a day, so the systems always need to be on, thus they always need to use power.
You are right that running under load can double or even triple electricity consumption (the CPU isn't the only piece of electronics in a desktop that has a 'power saving mode') the motherboard shuts down whatever it can, the PSU especially lowers rotational speeds on fans to reduce power, the PSU itself wastes less power on conversion etc etc.. but all that was just as true 5 years ago.
The fact of the matter is your main savings is on the hardware cost. Even if you consider that a true cluster is going to be more efficient than a distributed cluster, the fact that you're increasing electrical draw by buying said cluster without being able to reduce the number of idle systems is enough to offset the slightly greater electrical draw/mips ratio of distributed computing.
A big cluster has way more fans, and cpus, and many many high power server class PSU's, unless you're running it directly from a DC power generating station.
The Five Finger Discount.
v =23iib4rQ that guy did, you should be fine ^_-
I know a lot of places tend to lock up easily boostable/valuable parts, but as long as you don't make the same mistakes http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3479439&na
So someone prove me wrong, what's the electricity cost of running a CPU at full cycles for a year vs. running at typical load?
;-) days when it was a hacked M$ codec... I was paying $20 a month ($10 over the 'minimum') for electricity. The first month I started doing DivX ;-) encoding, from various sources... my monthly bill shot up to $45. So, $25 a month more than at idle, per computer. (this assumes you run at full load)
I can't tell you a whole year, but I can tell you for a month. Alright let's go back to DivX
Keep in mind that's still pretty cheap, if you've got decent, fairly new computers you're getting a pretty good mips/$ ratio. If however you've got a lab full of pentium 2's and you're running all this specialized software on it, well frakly the cost ratio slides downhill fast. Especially when you consider you could replace 'just what needs to be replaced' to get those systems up to entry level semptron-64's for less than a year's worth of electricity.
The cost to benefit ratio of doing stuff like this entirely depends on the class of desktop computers you're running it on. So your point is only valid if the technology powering the desktops is less than 3-4 years old, otherwise it makes more sense to either A. upgrade the desktops and continue with idle cycle usage plan or B. buy a real cluster.
Ah, I just wrote what I felt about the series.. I tend to not check for factual accuracy, because this is slashdot, I'd rather let the community check my 'statements' for facutal accuracy, and demur to people who are more knowledgable than me ;)