You can get the most benefit for the least money just through passive solar hot water. For most people all it is is black pex on their roof. Read Gaviotis. The author had achieved basically just that in Bogata before Columbia went bat-shit insane and descended into madness.
Yeah in Portland and Seattle all these people should get together and buy on the east side of the Cascades why would anyone put up solar in this god forsaken place? But seriously fuck all that, just go to space based. I listened to something years ago on the radio that a couple billion investment in space based solar would raise the average US income to 130K in 20 years. Numbers are vaguely remembered.
Organize your neighborhood then city and pass a bond you can then defer the cost of capital investment over 30 years. Amazing communism plus capitalism defeating unregulated oligarchies in the free market.
Ethanol gas voids your chainsaw warranty. Think seriously about putting in a boat as well. In addition the ethanol plants use energy from the grid, if it was a worthwhile endeavor they would run their plants on their own product. ADM is a bunch of crooks and liars but have great lobby.
In addition you would all do well to remember that 1/2 of the world is dumber than average and most of us have so little attention span... anyone want to go ride bikes? The real question is why shouldn't we have the FREEDOM to do whatever the fuck we want to?
Lucid dreaming according to Tibetan Buddhists is the fastest path to enlightenment. Practice accrued during dreams is has real world measurable effects on behavior. If you want to learn kickstarter just had a lucid dreaming mask similar to the NovaDreamer but for much less money.
Have you played text Pac-Man? "You are in a hallway, there are floating balls at waist height to the east and west, in the distance your hear what you think are ghosts."
I thought the new objection was that the field would gather the radiation it passed through on the journey and bake the destination to a glowing mass on deceleration.
This is what is so wrong with the US. Corporations were originally granted limited liability for investors in return for limited rights. Now that the 14th amendment has granted "human rights" to "property" corporations have both limited liability and human rights giving them in fact more rights than humans. This is why Romney saying "corporations are people my friend" is so dangerous. If corporations want to petition government the executives can spend their considerable income to do it, the employees can spend their merger income to do it and the investors can liquidate some stock and spend their money to do it but the corporation itself petitioning government would be as abhorrent to the founders as tax free churches telling people how to vote.
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.
Sometimes the supreme court even says "hey there douche bag, live up to your treaties!" To which the executive says "suck my balls, you've got no army." This results in chain guns being used on women and children. This results in a state that extracts gold and now oil from other peoples property with the unbridled glee that only the most self deluded assholes can muster. Oh yeah and the most bullshit "right to life" laws in the country.
But that is only on the working class. Social Security should be divorced from the general budget. Real taxation on the top percent IS the lowest it has been.
I ain't forgetting shit. We had 1/2 of the planet's liquidity at the time a fact that I mention often to old people who think we can go back to teh the 1950's. My point is exuberance, bullshit and balls will get you a long way no matter what. We can afford space based power PGE is already contracting for it.
True but... remember this all being talked about because of the D.C. power outage and AC is a necessity for many fat lazy people who feel they are entitled to everything. Also remember how many people dies in the Paris heat wave a few years ago.
Natural monopolies should not be allowed to be private for profit corporations. Your arguments are weak at best.
1st they are NOT heavily regulated anymore. The mines are a heavily regulated industry and the coal companies are able to do what ever the fuck they want, the energy industry has more liquidity than you can shake a strike at and in the real world the have come to indirectly control their regulating bodies. Look at any after the fact analysis of any disaster and you will see that the regulators are the bitches of the industry. Enron, Deep Water Horizon, Halliburton, Exxon, or a coal disaster.
2nd is logical fallacy. Who fucking cares what it implies? The fact is that everything wears down. Some forward thinking people set aside money to fix the things they build. Excellent case in point the ceiling beams of a Cambridge building were huge old growth oak and the renovators thought it would be impossible to replace them, ahhh but wait the architect 300 years ago planted Oaks in Scotland for the express purpose of replacing the beams when they wore out. Just because most people are idiots doesn't mean that smarter people can plan for the future. It is in fact why we have representative democracy in the first place. We privatized it all just when we needed to make sure that profits weren't extracted before maintenance.
3rd things have always been done this way change is bad! Also do you mean waste or spend? Not all spending is waste. Waste in this case would be replacing blown down lines for the x number of time adding up to a greater cost than burying it. It is called math it has a magical ability to determine the actual value of possible courses of action over time.
In case you missed the subtext here I think you are a fucking idiot and a shill to boot.
We spent 4 trillion on a tax break and two wars and got NOTHING for it. Why not spend trillions on building a huge industry that would make us energy independent? Money spent on building shit benefits us all. The fifties were full of crazy ideas and huge projects and what did we get, the most awesome country in the world.
Also "inexpensive generator" do you mean one that can run AC? So in my house that is 4x40 amp circuits, plus a 15 amp for the fridge, two more 15's for the lights so a ~20K watt generator? So $5k plus installation, that's a two day job for an electrician so lets say $10k installed. Even if that is one in ten house houlds in America that is a fuck load of money. Why not spend it on something that will generate electricity for many many years and give us a hard currency export.
Add battery backups to all the substations. Then add battery backups to houses (either fly wheel or lead acid.) Then add electric car batteries back into the grid in an emergency. Then pony up to the bar and pay for wireless space based solar (one estimate is it would rasie the median income in the U.S. to ~130k.) Then add smart grid tech so you can relight the grid from varied sources.
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You can get the most benefit for the least money just through passive solar hot water. For most people all it is is black pex on their roof. Read Gaviotis. The author had achieved basically just that in Bogata before Columbia went bat-shit insane and descended into madness.
Yeah in Portland and Seattle all these people should get together and buy on the east side of the Cascades why would anyone put up solar in this god forsaken place? But seriously fuck all that, just go to space based. I listened to something years ago on the radio that a couple billion investment in space based solar would raise the average US income to 130K in 20 years. Numbers are vaguely remembered.
Organize your neighborhood then city and pass a bond you can then defer the cost of capital investment over 30 years. Amazing communism plus capitalism defeating unregulated oligarchies in the free market.
Ethanol gas voids your chainsaw warranty. Think seriously about putting in a boat as well. In addition the ethanol plants use energy from the grid, if it was a worthwhile endeavor they would run their plants on their own product. ADM is a bunch of crooks and liars but have great lobby.
In addition you would all do well to remember that 1/2 of the world is dumber than average and most of us have so little attention span... anyone want to go ride bikes?
The real question is why shouldn't we have the FREEDOM to do whatever the fuck we want to?
Lucid dreaming according to Tibetan Buddhists is the fastest path to enlightenment. Practice accrued during dreams is has real world measurable effects on behavior. If you want to learn kickstarter just had a lucid dreaming mask similar to the NovaDreamer but for much less money.
Have you played text Pac-Man? "You are in a hallway, there are floating balls at waist height to the east and west, in the distance your hear what you think are ghosts."
I would happily throw 90% of the human race under a bus for a working warp drive.
I thought the new objection was that the field would gather the radiation it passed through on the journey and bake the destination to a glowing mass on deceleration.
Or a trust.
This is what is so wrong with the US. Corporations were originally granted limited liability for investors in return for limited rights. Now that the 14th amendment has granted "human rights" to "property" corporations have both limited liability and human rights giving them in fact more rights than humans. This is why Romney saying "corporations are people my friend" is so dangerous. If corporations want to petition government the executives can spend their considerable income to do it, the employees can spend their merger income to do it and the investors can liquidate some stock and spend their money to do it but the corporation itself petitioning government would be as abhorrent to the founders as tax free churches telling people how to vote.
Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmBJhKdYbA&feature=fvwrel
OR
Cuthulu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxScTbIUvoA
You decide!
Can we count the paid shills somehow? There has to be a statistical analysis that would separate real political opinion from paid opinion.
No, 50% of people are below average.
I can't wait for the efficiency to be paired with the better penetration of the lower frequency.
How about a XXX live action Akira? "Tetsuo is that your fat pulsing bio-mechanical tentacle in my ass or are you just happy to see me?"
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.
Sometimes the supreme court even says "hey there douche bag, live up to your treaties!" To which the executive says "suck my balls, you've got no army." This results in chain guns being used on women and children. This results in a state that extracts gold and now oil from other peoples property with the unbridled glee that only the most self deluded assholes can muster. Oh yeah and the most bullshit "right to life" laws in the country.
But that is only on the working class. Social Security should be divorced from the general budget. Real taxation on the top percent IS the lowest it has been.
I ain't forgetting shit. We had 1/2 of the planet's liquidity at the time a fact that I mention often to old people who think we can go back to teh the 1950's. My point is exuberance, bullshit and balls will get you a long way no matter what. We can afford space based power PGE is already contracting for it.
True but... remember this all being talked about because of the D.C. power outage and AC is a necessity for many fat lazy people who feel they are entitled to everything. Also remember how many people dies in the Paris heat wave a few years ago.
Natural monopolies should not be allowed to be private for profit corporations. Your arguments are weak at best.
1st they are NOT heavily regulated anymore. The mines are a heavily regulated industry and the coal companies are able to do what ever the fuck they want, the energy industry has more liquidity than you can shake a strike at and in the real world the have come to indirectly control their regulating bodies. Look at any after the fact analysis of any disaster and you will see that the regulators are the bitches of the industry. Enron, Deep Water Horizon, Halliburton, Exxon, or a coal disaster.
2nd is logical fallacy. Who fucking cares what it implies? The fact is that everything wears down. Some forward thinking people set aside money to fix the things they build. Excellent case in point the ceiling beams of a Cambridge building were huge old growth oak and the renovators thought it would be impossible to replace them, ahhh but wait the architect 300 years ago planted Oaks in Scotland for the express purpose of replacing the beams when they wore out. Just because most people are idiots doesn't mean that smarter people can plan for the future. It is in fact why we have representative democracy in the first place. We privatized it all just when we needed to make sure that profits weren't extracted before maintenance.
3rd things have always been done this way change is bad! Also do you mean waste or spend? Not all spending is waste. Waste in this case would be replacing blown down lines for the x number of time adding up to a greater cost than burying it. It is called math it has a magical ability to determine the actual value of possible courses of action over time.
In case you missed the subtext here I think you are a fucking idiot and a shill to boot.
We spent 4 trillion on a tax break and two wars and got NOTHING for it. Why not spend trillions on building a huge industry that would make us energy independent? Money spent on building shit benefits us all. The fifties were full of crazy ideas and huge projects and what did we get, the most awesome country in the world.
Also "inexpensive generator" do you mean one that can run AC? So in my house that is 4x40 amp circuits, plus a 15 amp for the fridge, two more 15's for the lights so a ~20K watt generator? So $5k plus installation, that's a two day job for an electrician so lets say $10k installed. Even if that is one in ten house houlds in America that is a fuck load of money. Why not spend it on something that will generate electricity for many many years and give us a hard currency export.
Add battery backups to all the substations. Then add battery backups to houses (either fly wheel or lead acid.) Then add electric car batteries back into the grid in an emergency. Then pony up to the bar and pay for wireless space based solar (one estimate is it would rasie the median income in the U.S. to ~130k.) Then add smart grid tech so you can relight the grid from varied sources.
Computer games rule, Spacewar motherfuckers! YEAH. PDP11 in-da-lab!
Or just love the Ur-Quan