I've worked(not played. worked. got paid.) on systems ranging from Unisys A series, NT 3.51-4/win2k, BeOS, BSD/OS2.0-3.1, solaris 2.6-2.8, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Digital Unix, AIX, and linux 2.0-2.4...
You have no idea what you are talking about you flameing fucking troll. Out of all of them, NT/2k and solaris took the most work to get setup and running and required the MOST (2-3x) as much administration.
UFS with soft updates enabled is no more reliable in a crash than e2fs. period. I don't care what you fucking think "seems" to happen. You are wrong. Since linux 2.0, I've never lost data because of e2fs (or any file system other than windows). I've only lost data 2 times (on home computers. not business related at all), once because of a "rm -rf./" with a stray space (while I was a bit intoxicated), and once because of wonderful windows. It miscalculated my disk geometry and overwrote part of my linux partition. Again, thats not e2fs' fault. On the other hand, my windows system (not duel boot. just windows) failed to boot a week ago. I put the disk in a windows/linux duel boot system and neither recognized it as a windows partition.
Linux admins cost more than NT admins. very true. On the other hand, most linux admins actually know something about computers and don't rely on "just reboot it, and reinstall if that doesn't work" mentality.
Steep learning curve? yeah... compared to windows... if all you want to do is browse the web. Sure, windows is better for most non-business things. I tell all my relatives to get macs if they just want email/web or windows if they want games and applications. As far as a steep learning curve compared to other unix systems, your very wrong.
badly coded tools? low performance? If you only want to watch DVDs, browse the web, and game then windows is probably for you. If you want a system that needs little emergency downtime (aka crash and reinstall) then get windows. I for one have never ever ever ever gotton a kernel panic on a production system even under the heaviest of loads. Windows really is that bad. I can sometimes get my windows box to stay running for over a month before something (usually a game, which isn't window's fault most likely) crashes... but hardware vendors reliably put out bad drivers. My current windows box (installed a week ago) crashes every day, sometimes when I'm not even doing anything. What do I have running? nothing... not even so much as an open explorer window. When I booted it to linux and ran a 24 hour burn in to test out the hardware everything passed with flying colors. Let me repeat, MY CPU AND MEMORY WERE VERY NEAR 100% USEAGE FOR 24 HOURS AND LINUX DIDN'T PANIC.
Professional OS? You talking about using MS Word as professional? moron. linux isn't right for anyone. certainly. but nothing is. What is linux right for? Businesses who are willing to pay for a webserver, application server, or really ANYTHING (even desktops for grunts), and want no unexpected downtime from anything. These are corporations that are going to have really expensive hardware (redundant power, raid, etc, etc).
As far as performance goes, linux tops everything for general server purposes currently. Granted that 2.0 and 2.2 performed badly, but 2.4 is better than even BSD/OS under heavy loads WHEN PROPERLY CONFIGURED. Thats goes back to that money thing again... If your running a home webserver, then linux may not be right for you. If you want (or need) to be able to control the computer and use it to it's full extent, then linux is definately for you. 2.5 is already showing itself to be better by leaps and bounds than 2.4 is. Which is amazing in itself.
Your post is obviously a flaming troll meant to get responces from zealots. I'm not a zealot by any means, but I felt I should respond just incase you believe any of the garbage you have falling out of your mouth.
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that it's that hard to get or use the equiptment.
http://www.unisys.com sells 10" SCSI readers for thier A-series system. You can buy it seperately without a A-series service contract, and it works like any other/dev/rmt device.
I worked for a company that distributed bank software on them as late as... well... now. And yes, it is cobol software.;)
Major Kudos to google for bringing back old usenet posts. Besides the knowledgebase provided, they are fun to read! Lots of stuff tasteful geek humor. I recommend checking it out.
wow man... It blows my mind to hear about this actually happening.
I'm glad that you think you should supply a morally-sound service to your congregation^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers. Jeez... I'm sure you guys had a need to do something, but what you did is wrong in just about every way. I totally understand the need to throttle bandwidth, but totally cutting services is wrong as hell. I hope your customers get a little help setting up a tunneling app to get them out of your facist network:P
Sweet. 2 planes and some boxes/triangle strips with textures I'd expect:)
Just kidding, but I seriously doubt it used any of the hardware specific functions to do cutting-edge coolities like per-pixel shading in hardware or shadow rendering on all surfaces. Any of these things would tear up a CPU if the GPU doesn't support it.
7 posts to 1 article = 1 post, 1 correction, and 5 schoolings.:)
> Quake3 depends that heavily on DirectX
damn. you people need to back off and read my posts. I said ALICE REQUIRES DIRECTX for hardware calculations that would have to be handled by card-specific OpenGL extentions. I never said Quake 3 required such extentions at all, because that would be wrong. Alice is indeed based on the Quake 3 engine, and the Quake 3 engine uses OpenGL for hardware rendering. Alice's version of the engine uses Direct X for hardware specific math, it uses the generated information to rendor objects, and paint surfaces on OpenGL objects.
Now lets play this game, Take a screenshot of a long shaded surface in alice, then remove DirectX. Now take the same screenshot. See the difference?? I'm tired of playing games. I'm schooled all of you, it's over:)
Wrong. Alice uses an engine *based* on the quake 3 engine. While that engine is based on OpenGL, they use DirectX for hardware calculations of DLS and other nifty stuff. The results of which were simply painted on OpenGL flat surfaces. Again, nice with the almost-come-backs.:/
I really wish people would stop getting thier facts from the back of computer game boxes. =O)
> it may end up being the last major game engine to use OpenGL though
Sad, but true. It's easier to emulate DirectX. DirectX used to suck, but now it's really easy to use. I hate MicroSoft as a company, but generally after 7 tries you *have* to get something right.
Wrong. Alice uses an engine *based* on the quake 3 engine. While that engine is based on OpenGL, they use DirectX for hardware calculations of DLS and other nifty stuff. The results of which were simply painted on OpenGL flat surfaces. Again, nice with the almost-come-backs.:/
fairly widespread, but people are starting to see the light.
a co-worker of mine has a buddy that does simulations of large ceramic ovens. They used OpenGL for visualization on SGI machines for over 15 years. When they realised they needed to upgrade thier system they were faced with 2 choises: a linux cluster with OpenGL (MesaGL) or a Windows cluster with DirectX. After a demo on of each on identical hardware, they got 2x the performance on the Linux cluster. They went from starting a simulation in the morning and getting the results the next morning to starting one before lunch and having it ready before they got back:)
If OpenGL will do what you expect it to be needed to do, use it on Linux. It's awsome. It will rock your world (especially on 2.4 linux SMP machines)
So you made some pritty boxes and triangle strip particle engines... Goodie. Those are fun as hell. When you program a full 3d environment with smoke, fog, a fire engine, and do shadows to all objects, then post.
The OpenGL extentions don't apply to the standards based OpenGL API. I'm talking about the wiz-bam new features of different cards (like the Radion's extremely cool anti-aliasing and Z axis dithering)
I'm sure your spining, colored, triangle worked great. Now try to make a 3d engine with the features of Alice or Anarchy Online in OpenGL with OpenGL. It can't be done within a reasonable time period because of all the extentions you would have to use to support all those nifty features in OpenGL.
OpenGL is awsome for multi-platform development if and only if you aren't doing spectacular things in hardware. If you want really cool stuff done in hardware, you have to make support for each card. Windows does really cool stuff like standardize (in windows environments) interfaces. Unfortuanatly, card makers won't agree on anything non-windows related. Maybe that will change, but prolly not. Perhaps we should support a DirectX for Unix clone?
Everything in OpenGL is different for different cards. If you code in DirectX, at least it will work on all cards, even if only on Windows (so far). If something doesn't work right with a card in directx, it's the card driver's problem. It's universal in the Windows world.
OpenGL is freaking amazing. I love it. Unfortunately, card makers want to write OpenGL extentions specifically for thier cards so you have to have aset of code to do the same thing for each card.
When will people come together to agree on non-MS-specific standards? Probably never. Maybe we should support
> The students were given minute doses of a radioactive pharmaceutical through an intravenous drip
So what's worse? Shooting up monsters on a computer game or shooting up radioactive drugs? Science has always proven that stupid people hit things.
Me thinks the doctors been hitting the crack pipe. Had the game they were playing been chess or backgammon, I'm sure the results would have come up the same. However, they were probably playing some game like mario. Try everquest. Tactics are vital to your survival in the world. Knowing how to deal with that extra baddie (or goodie) that jumps you is crucial.
wow, you really just don't get it do you?
The reason we break these encryption schemes is *BECAUSE* "government tries to snoop on unencrypted, unprotected data..."
It is because we improve on things that are broken. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. My "APPLAUD" goes to this guy.
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I've worked(not played. worked. got paid.) on systems ranging from Unisys A series, NT 3.51-4/win2k, BeOS, BSD/OS2.0-3.1, solaris 2.6-2.8, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Digital Unix, AIX, and linux 2.0-2.4...
./" with a stray space (while I was a bit intoxicated), and once because of wonderful windows. It miscalculated my disk geometry and overwrote part of my linux partition. Again, thats not e2fs' fault. On the other hand, my windows system (not duel boot. just windows) failed to boot a week ago. I put the disk in a windows/linux duel boot system and neither recognized it as a windows partition.
You have no idea what you are talking about you flameing fucking troll. Out of all of them, NT/2k and solaris took the most work to get setup and running and required the MOST (2-3x) as much administration.
UFS with soft updates enabled is no more reliable in a crash than e2fs. period. I don't care what you fucking think "seems" to happen. You are wrong. Since linux 2.0, I've never lost data because of e2fs (or any file system other than windows). I've only lost data 2 times (on home computers. not business related at all), once because of a "rm -rf
Linux admins cost more than NT admins. very true. On the other hand, most linux admins actually know something about computers and don't rely on "just reboot it, and reinstall if that doesn't work" mentality.
Steep learning curve? yeah... compared to windows... if all you want to do is browse the web. Sure, windows is better for most non-business things. I tell all my relatives to get macs if they just want email/web or windows if they want games and applications. As far as a steep learning curve compared to other unix systems, your very wrong.
badly coded tools? low performance? If you only want to watch DVDs, browse the web, and game then windows is probably for you. If you want a system that needs little emergency downtime (aka crash and reinstall) then get windows. I for one have never ever ever ever gotton a kernel panic on a production system even under the heaviest of loads. Windows really is that bad. I can sometimes get my windows box to stay running for over a month before something (usually a game, which isn't window's fault most likely) crashes... but hardware vendors reliably put out bad drivers. My current windows box (installed a week ago) crashes every day, sometimes when I'm not even doing anything. What do I have running? nothing... not even so much as an open explorer window. When I booted it to linux and ran a 24 hour burn in to test out the hardware everything passed with flying colors. Let me repeat, MY CPU AND MEMORY WERE VERY NEAR 100% USEAGE FOR 24 HOURS AND LINUX DIDN'T PANIC.
Professional OS? You talking about using MS Word as professional? moron. linux isn't right for anyone. certainly. but nothing is. What is linux right for? Businesses who are willing to pay for a webserver, application server, or really ANYTHING (even desktops for grunts), and want no unexpected downtime from anything. These are corporations that are going to have really expensive hardware (redundant power, raid, etc, etc).
As far as performance goes, linux tops everything for general server purposes currently. Granted that 2.0 and 2.2 performed badly, but 2.4 is better than even BSD/OS under heavy loads WHEN PROPERLY CONFIGURED. Thats goes back to that money thing again... If your running a home webserver, then linux may not be right for you. If you want (or need) to be able to control the computer and use it to it's full extent, then linux is definately for you. 2.5 is already showing itself to be better by leaps and bounds than 2.4 is. Which is amazing in itself.
Your post is obviously a flaming troll meant to get responces from zealots. I'm not a zealot by any means, but I felt I should respond just incase you believe any of the garbage you have falling out of your mouth.
that it's that hard to get or use the equiptment.
/dev/rmt device.
;)
http://www.unisys.com sells 10" SCSI readers for thier A-series system. You can buy it seperately without a A-series service contract, and it works like any other
I worked for a company that distributed bank software on them as late as... well... now. And yes, it is cobol software.
Major Kudos to google for bringing back old usenet posts. Besides the knowledgebase provided, they are fun to read! Lots of stuff tasteful geek humor. I recommend checking it out.
jesus... I live off the stuff.
they do have completely different code, basically. Everything is different enough to be able to be able to copyleft it themselves. :)
There are a few common dependancies... low-level image/video/etc format drivers mostly... like libjpeg.
Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about.
you are dumb.
-Jacksoff Withpoop
When has our country not looked like an ass?
wow man... It blows my mind to hear about this actually happening.
:P
I'm glad that you think you should supply a morally-sound service to your congregation^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers. Jeez... I'm sure you guys had a need to do something, but what you did is wrong in just about every way. I totally understand the need to throttle bandwidth, but totally cutting services is wrong as hell. I hope your customers get a little help setting up a tunneling app to get them out of your facist network
Maybe they are trying to say, "Hey, if we are willing to tell you about this shit... Imagine the shit we have stock-piled!!"
Just a thought...
because now they have Mc Donalds... Ronald would so kick our ass...
"after a decade of budget cuts."
This is what you call all of about $300US being designated to research and development for their military?
"Technical details are very very scant on here - if you know more, please post below."
I have some technical details...
The thing is 3" long, made from a plastic, and powered my 12 caffeine-addicted mutant mice on a freaking wheel.
True enough. Sadly.
Isn't that what independant companies are suppose to do? oh thats right.... They all got bought.
Pity, I really kinda liked this planet.
He did say "I'll be back."
Yes my sence of humor sucks! Give me yours!
I'm still waiting for milkboxes with webbrowsers...
Imagine being able to fly from New York to LA in 30 seconds!!! Wouldn't that rock???
Sucks you have to be greated by sheets of steel to slow you down to below-puking speeds.
Sweet. 2 planes and some boxes/triangle strips with textures I'd expect :)
:)
Just kidding, but I seriously doubt it used any of the hardware specific functions to do cutting-edge coolities like per-pixel shading in hardware or shadow rendering on all surfaces. Any of these things would tear up a CPU if the GPU doesn't support it.
7 posts to 1 article = 1 post, 1 correction, and 5 schoolings.
Consider yourself schooled.
> Quake3 depends that heavily on DirectX
:)
damn. you people need to back off and read my posts. I said ALICE REQUIRES DIRECTX for hardware calculations that would have to be handled by card-specific OpenGL extentions. I never said Quake 3 required such extentions at all, because that would be wrong. Alice is indeed based on the Quake 3 engine, and the Quake 3 engine uses OpenGL for hardware rendering. Alice's version of the engine uses Direct X for hardware specific math, it uses the generated information to rendor objects, and paint surfaces on OpenGL objects.
Now lets play this game, Take a screenshot of a long shaded surface in alice, then remove DirectX. Now take the same screenshot. See the difference?? I'm tired of playing games. I'm schooled all of you, it's over
Wrong. Alice uses an engine *based* on the quake 3 engine. While that engine is based on OpenGL, they use DirectX for hardware calculations of DLS and other nifty stuff. The results of which were simply painted on OpenGL flat surfaces. Again, nice with the almost-come-backs. :/
I really wish people would stop getting thier facts from the back of computer game boxes. =O)
> it may end up being the last major game engine to use OpenGL though
Sad, but true. It's easier to emulate DirectX. DirectX used to suck, but now it's really easy to use. I hate MicroSoft as a company, but generally after 7 tries you *have* to get something right.
> Alice uses the Quake 3 engine
:/
Wrong. Alice uses an engine *based* on the quake 3 engine. While that engine is based on OpenGL, they use DirectX for hardware calculations of DLS and other nifty stuff. The results of which were simply painted on OpenGL flat surfaces. Again, nice with the almost-come-backs.
fairly widespread, but people are starting to see the light.
:)
a co-worker of mine has a buddy that does simulations of large ceramic ovens. They used OpenGL for visualization on SGI machines for over 15 years. When they realised they needed to upgrade thier system they were faced with 2 choises: a linux cluster with OpenGL (MesaGL) or a Windows cluster with DirectX. After a demo on of each on identical hardware, they got 2x the performance on the Linux cluster. They went from starting a simulation in the morning and getting the results the next morning to starting one before lunch and having it ready before they got back
If OpenGL will do what you expect it to be needed to do, use it on Linux. It's awsome. It will rock your world (especially on 2.4 linux SMP machines)
Too funny...
:) Grats
So you made some pritty boxes and triangle strip particle engines... Goodie. Those are fun as hell. When you program a full 3d environment with smoke, fog, a fire engine, and do shadows to all objects, then post.
The OpenGL extentions don't apply to the standards based OpenGL API. I'm talking about the wiz-bam new features of different cards (like the Radion's extremely cool anti-aliasing and Z axis dithering)
I'm sure your spining, colored, triangle worked great. Now try to make a 3d engine with the features of Alice or Anarchy Online in OpenGL with OpenGL. It can't be done within a reasonable time period because of all the extentions you would have to use to support all those nifty features in OpenGL.
Really good try at a snappy comeback!
arg... stupid HTML filtering.
OpenGL is awsome for multi-platform development if and only if you aren't doing spectacular things in hardware. If you want really cool stuff done in hardware, you have to make support for each card. Windows does really cool stuff like standardize (in windows environments) interfaces. Unfortuanatly, card makers won't agree on anything non-windows related. Maybe that will change, but prolly not. Perhaps we should support a DirectX for Unix clone?
sorry for the screwed up post.
Everything in OpenGL is different for different cards. If you code in DirectX, at least it will work on all cards, even if only on Windows (so far). If something doesn't work right with a card in directx, it's the card driver's problem. It's universal in the Windows world.
OpenGL is freaking amazing. I love it. Unfortunately, card makers want to write OpenGL extentions specifically for thier cards so you have to have aset of code to do the same thing for each card.
When will people come together to agree on non-MS-specific standards? Probably never. Maybe we should support
> The students were given minute doses of a radioactive pharmaceutical through an intravenous drip
So what's worse? Shooting up monsters on a computer game or shooting up radioactive drugs? Science has always proven that stupid people hit things.
Me thinks the doctors been hitting the crack pipe. Had the game they were playing been chess or backgammon, I'm sure the results would have come up the same. However, they were probably playing some game like mario. Try everquest. Tactics are vital to your survival in the world. Knowing how to deal with that extra baddie (or goodie) that jumps you is crucial.
-EvilMonkeyNinja
wow, you really just don't get it do you?
The reason we break these encryption schemes is *BECAUSE* "government tries to snoop on unencrypted, unprotected data..."
It is because we improve on things that are broken. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. My "APPLAUD" goes to this guy.
-EvilMonkeyNinja