This is a cool idea to make use of bad hardware, and while it shouldn't be used to make new systems, it will.
It's really nice for poor geeks like me who would be happy to have more than 64MB. My system is a workstation from Dell, and I imagine it can handle 128 to 192 MB RAM total.
I know I won't get 64MB of ram out of a bad 64MB DIMM, but 50-60 extra still helps. I'd like to get this for the PeoplePC system I'm getting for Christmas (poor geek syndrome) which has 64MB RAM and 8MB of that is for the video card.
My worry is that some local computer makers will use it to screw other linux geeks. Luckily, most Linux users will notice. I'm mostly worried about those buying a preinstalled box as their first Linux PC. Here's hoping that they're safe.
I strongly doubt that Intel put in code that favors Intel processors, since it would be hard to prove any such result is true. Even if the 1.13GHz does beat out the Athlon 1.1Ghz.
And it wouldn't matter. Since the price is so far out of reason, any user with a bit of intelligence would do a bit more research than one site. 30Mhz (1.13Ghz - 1.1Ghz) isn't a huge difference.
Right now, actual processing speed's value is decreasing. Only FSB speed, L1 and L2 cache size and speed are making huge differences.
Note: Sadly, none of this matters to me, since I'm 16 and running an OLD PII 233Mhz with (GASP) ATI Rage Pro. Oh, and I have no money to upgrade. My best bet at better performance is PeoplePC. Sad, ain't it?
The point of that rant was to NOT WORRY ABOUT 30Mhz, buy the best value (probably Athlon 1.1GHz, but don't take my word for it), and be glad you can!
I had no idea. Sorry if I seemed Pagan or such there.
The worst part is it came to politics. Just one manipulator trying to get mass support. Is there anywhere that's safe? I guess that's the problem with moderation; you can block everything, block nothing, or play favorites.
I admit that it was a bit offtopic, but I didn't know. It wasn't in the Slashdot FAQ last time I checked.
Not to be flamebait, but it's kind of odd that they didn't figure this out yet.
Considering the universe is constantly (at least at this point) changing, not every object will be in an orbit around a star.
But, on the other hand, how can they tell that this isn't revolving around a star? Brahe/Kepler method? How long did they work on this? This has very little data given! Where's the beef?
That wasn't my goal!!!! I merely wanted to say a few things. So my comment was long; big deal. That doesn't mean it's worthless.
Now if I was a karma whore, I would have, say, 50 to 150 lines of "Not true!" in this post. Do you see that in here? NO.
You're very petty. Heck, the fact that you posted this as an AC shows it (and the fact that you either a)wish you would have thought of something in there, b)don't enjoy most comments (in which case you SHOULDN'T READ THEM, or c)you are an a**).
Be fair. I said something. It was long. Shut up about it.
Should our goal for these programs be to leave them on all hours of the day so that we make, if we're lucky,.50 US an hour over electricity? No! We all walk away from our PC sometimes (during dinner, when nature calls, when a friend calls, whatever). For those times when we don't want to mess around with shutting the system down for some reason is why we should use these. You may make a little bit of cash, you may find the cure for canser or find an alien, and you get to brag about how much faster your box is compared to your neighbor/friend/chat buddie's with a realistic stat (except for me. I have a PII-233. Only 64MB ram. A HAHAHAH ATI RAGE PRO WITH 4MB RAM! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!).
Which brings me to my next point, what about the video card? During non-game use (you know, schhool work, surfing on the web for cheats, etc.), how much of your brand-spankin' new Hercules Prophet II with 64MB DEDICATED RAM (wah! can ya buy me one?) is in use? Probably not even half, and that's if you go for the highest resolution and color depth. Why not utilize these for something? 3D modeling would be hard to implement intelligently, but it would still be possible.
And a vicious cycle gets started here. Companies like this idea, put out all of their power-munching projects, and we end up with an inbalance with too much needed power. With all these different programs, usage will be split. Then, when enough users and power equalizes, the projects will dry up, leaving some company (probably fresh out of IPO) with no cash, no revenue stream, very little property, etc. Critics will shoot down distributed computing fast. In a few years, someone will try it again. We'll repeat history. A bit apocalyptic, but realistic.
ProcessTree, if they ever do pay, may have the right idea. This is a great way to fund micropayments. If you're running low, let your computer run overnight and your account filled back up. Unfortunatly, we'll never see this properly. If PayPal is dominant, they'll have a high surcharge (ever look at the fine print on a credit card application? A must-read...). Also, how can we create a unit without trouble from the US government (you know about this problem if you know about experts-exchange.com. Here, you get points for answering questions, and spend another type of points for asking questions. They wanted to just make one type of point, but the IRS(or some other goverment agency) said to do so was illegal.) Wah! The best part!
Finally, like has been said before here, no one is paying yet. We may never see one that does in our lifetime. Why? Internet companies are stabilizing and becoming sensible. Giving money for borrowing a few wires? Sounds silly.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. But this rant explains my problems.
As a solution to the shortage of Linux domain names, why not ask ICANN to add a.linux or.lin domain name? We could all get our Linux domain names easily, and Linux help and resources would be easier to find.
Also, why would anyone really worry that linuxbob.com is taken? Does this really matter? Unless a Linux Guru named Bob wants a domain name, why worry about it? I can understand linuxpop.com, and all of the other ones.
Internet.com's takeover is just another sign that Linux is becoming mainstream. Internet.com realized that they weren't on the Linux bandwagon, and they wanted to be. The buyout also foreshadows things to come. Linux distros and resource sites will be bought up like crazy. Don't be suprised if Symantec or some other fairly powerful Windows products company buys a distro (not Red Hat, because of it's market power, but SuSE, Mandrake, etc.).
Microsoft at least know has a slight respect for Linux, in so far as they want to take back market share lost to it.
The implications are deep, and Microsoft is pushing buttons we haadn't thought of.
What if MS starts offering a discount for a paid Linux CD? Then Linux loses nothing. Why? You can get free CDs. You can download it to CD-R. You can't do that w/ Windows legally.
But now Linux must start becoming even more user friendly, or the MS repo tactic will be very successful.
However, how many Linux users do you know that want to install Windows on their Linux machine?
Please go to After Y2K (www.nitrozac.com) and vote for geek number 1 (me!) in the look-a-like contest!
While its slow to happen, the ability of individuals to freely develop 3d games and apps is increasing. A while back Chex had a doom-based cd-rom game on their site, and they had to pay for it.
But the GPLing allows anyone with a slight bit of graphics talent to build their own independant game.
And with Quake now open source, enhancments can be added easier, I.E. the loveable PAIN package (I loved web-swinging like spiderman with the grappling hook and harpoon.)
Think of the possibilities.
XBill 3D would be cool.
Ever seen that episode of the new Jonny Quest where they delete data by shooting it? Make directories into rooms, etc.
And yes, the process killer will have to be ported too.
We could easily have selectable 'levels' signifying file management, process managment, wiping windows, network sniffing, and more!
That's all I want to go on about for now. Hey everyone, please vote for geek number 1 (me!) in the after y2k ( www.nitrozac.com ) look-a-like contest.
I loved Wolfenstein 3d. When I was 8, and got my first 386 (a system that could run windows!) I ran this game first. That first night, with the computer just sitting on a ottoman (hadn't moved the 8088 yet), I sat there wondering about this cool game. I played until late into the night.
Eventually I beat it, and moved on. It did, however, make me look back onto a piece of my own heritage, as my grandmother had been forced to work in a concentration camp.
Now I'm playing Quake2. It took a long time to get it working because of stupid NT and a long lapse from all gaming. But it's not the same.
My question is simple. Why not recreate it with the Q2 engine? I'm no graphic artist, but someone with The Gimp should easily be able to revamp them.
Why wolf3d? I think the biggest difference between wolf3d and other 3d games of today is the storyline. While Quake and such have nice get-outta-my-way-I-would-rather-be-causing-pain simple plots, Wolfenstein had something more. It was a trip into our past. It put us into battle with the evil so many had hated, been hurt by, or fought to destroy. It put so many into a position of power where there had been none, and inspired many games to come. Anyway, there was no instant death BFG or rocket launcher. It was all so realistic.
That's all for now, but I might think of something and reply to my own post. Live with it.
Apple has gotten into quite a mess this time. Their next move will probably be to overclock 450MHZ chips to 500MHZ. The effect of this would be sad, because the Mac empire is bad enough off already. Poor Steve...
This was significant, not in the fact that they wanted to just get their money back but in the fact that they were sick and tired of having a program they didn't want pushed on them.
Their next step probably will be vendors (boycotts?) and will probably have the same reaction.
As for it being a holiday, Microsoft told callers they would be open. They probably just bailed out when they realized what may happen.
I wish I was there, but I couldn't be. Too bad. But to those who where there, think of what it was like. Linux has often been called David to Microsoft Goliath. This was in essence a slingshot forward.
And about this hurting Linux and Open Source? Forget that. It is too strong now, and this was just people who wanted to return something that they didn't use.
If you were given a glass of water every time you asked for an empty glass, wouldn't you be upset it you wanted the glass for juice or pop or whatever?
(Usually I come up with good analogies, but today I'm not.)
So don't give the masses who don't want the included software any trouble.
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This is a cool idea to make use of bad hardware, and while it shouldn't be used to make new systems, it will.
It's really nice for poor geeks like me who would be happy to have more than 64MB. My system is a workstation from Dell, and I imagine it can handle 128 to 192 MB RAM total.
I know I won't get 64MB of ram out of a bad 64MB DIMM, but 50-60 extra still helps. I'd like to get this for the PeoplePC system I'm getting for Christmas (poor geek syndrome) which has 64MB RAM and 8MB of that is for the video card.
My worry is that some local computer makers will use it to screw other linux geeks. Luckily, most Linux users will notice. I'm mostly worried about those buying a preinstalled box as their first Linux PC. Here's hoping that they're safe.
I strongly doubt that Intel put in code that favors Intel processors, since it would be hard to prove any such result is true. Even if the 1.13GHz does beat out the Athlon 1.1Ghz.
And it wouldn't matter. Since the price is so far out of reason, any user with a bit of intelligence would do a bit more research than one site. 30Mhz (1.13Ghz - 1.1Ghz) isn't a huge difference.
Right now, actual processing speed's value is decreasing. Only FSB speed, L1 and L2 cache size and speed are making huge differences.
Note: Sadly, none of this matters to me, since I'm 16 and running an OLD PII 233Mhz with (GASP) ATI Rage Pro. Oh, and I have no money to upgrade. My best bet at better performance is PeoplePC. Sad, ain't it?
The point of that rant was to NOT WORRY ABOUT 30Mhz, buy the best value (probably Athlon 1.1GHz, but don't take my word for it), and be glad you can!
I had no idea. Sorry if I seemed Pagan or such there.
The worst part is it came to politics. Just one manipulator trying to get mass support. Is there anywhere that's safe? I guess that's the problem with moderation; you can block everything, block nothing, or play favorites.
I admit that it was a bit offtopic, but I didn't know. It wasn't in the Slashdot FAQ last time I checked.
Not to be flamebait, but it's kind of odd that they didn't figure this out yet.
Considering the universe is constantly (at least at this point) changing, not every object will be in an orbit around a star.
But, on the other hand, how can they tell that this isn't revolving around a star? Brahe/Kepler method? How long did they work on this? This has very little data given! Where's the beef?
You guys gang up on him. Isn't the point of Slashdot to let everyone have an opinion? I've read a few of his posts; there better than mine usually.
I admit VB isn't great, but it doesn't suck.
You wanna see what VB can do? Go to Planet Source Code, go to the VB section, and search for eye3D.
That's what I was going to use. BUT, LIKE I SAID, I AM RESTARTING IN C++.
That wasn't my goal!!!! I merely wanted to say a few things. So my comment was long; big deal. That doesn't mean it's worthless.
Now if I was a karma whore, I would have, say, 50 to 150 lines of "Not true!" in this post. Do you see that in here? NO.
You're very petty. Heck, the fact that you posted this as an AC shows it (and the fact that you either a)wish you would have thought of something in there, b)don't enjoy most comments (in which case you SHOULDN'T READ THEM, or c)you are an a**).
Be fair. I said something. It was long. Shut up about it.
Should our goal for these programs be to leave them on all hours of the day so that we make, if we're lucky, .50 US an hour over electricity? No! We all walk away from our PC sometimes (during dinner, when nature calls, when a friend calls, whatever). For those times when we don't want to mess around with shutting the system down for some reason is why we should use these. You may make a little bit of cash, you may find the cure for canser or find an alien, and you get to brag about how much faster your box is compared to your neighbor/friend/chat buddie's with a realistic stat (except for me. I have a PII-233. Only 64MB ram. A HAHAHAH ATI RAGE PRO WITH 4MB RAM! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!).
Which brings me to my next point, what about the video card? During non-game use (you know, schhool work, surfing on the web for cheats, etc.), how much of your brand-spankin' new Hercules Prophet II with 64MB DEDICATED RAM (wah! can ya buy me one?) is in use? Probably not even half, and that's if you go for the highest resolution and color depth. Why not utilize these for something? 3D modeling would be hard to implement intelligently, but it would still be possible.
And a vicious cycle gets started here. Companies like this idea, put out all of their power-munching projects, and we end up with an inbalance with too much needed power. With all these different programs, usage will be split. Then, when enough users and power equalizes, the projects will dry up, leaving some company (probably fresh out of IPO) with no cash, no revenue stream, very little property, etc. Critics will shoot down distributed computing fast. In a few years, someone will try it again. We'll repeat history. A bit apocalyptic, but realistic.
ProcessTree, if they ever do pay, may have the right idea. This is a great way to fund micropayments. If you're running low, let your computer run overnight and your account filled back up. Unfortunatly, we'll never see this properly. If PayPal is dominant, they'll have a high surcharge (ever look at the fine print on a credit card application? A must-read...). Also, how can we create a unit without trouble from the US government (you know about this problem if you know about experts-exchange.com. Here, you get points for answering questions, and spend another type of points for asking questions. They wanted to just make one type of point, but the IRS(or some other goverment agency) said to do so was illegal.) Wah! The best part!
Finally, like has been said before here, no one is paying yet. We may never see one that does in our lifetime. Why? Internet companies are stabilizing and becoming sensible. Giving money for borrowing a few wires? Sounds silly.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. But this rant explains my problems.
As a solution to the shortage of Linux domain names, why not ask ICANN to add a .linux or .lin domain name? We could all get our Linux domain names easily, and Linux help and resources would be easier to find.
//www.geekculture.com/geekycomics/Aftery2k/lookali kecontest/gallery.html and vote for geek number 1? Please?
Also, why would anyone really worry that linuxbob.com is taken? Does this really matter? Unless a Linux Guru named Bob wants a domain name, why worry about it? I can understand linuxpop.com, and all of the other ones.
Internet.com's takeover is just another sign that Linux is becoming mainstream. Internet.com realized that they weren't on the Linux bandwagon, and they wanted to be. The buyout also foreshadows things to come. Linux distros and resource sites will be bought up like crazy. Don't be suprised if Symantec or some other fairly powerful Windows products company buys a distro (not Red Hat, because of it's market power, but SuSE, Mandrake, etc.).
Hey, could anyone do me a favor? I'm in this contest for a look-a-like of a character in after Y2k, this comic strip. Could anyone go to http:
Microsoft at least know has a slight respect for Linux, in so far as they want to take back market share lost to it.
The implications are deep, and Microsoft is pushing buttons we haadn't thought of.
What if MS starts offering a discount for a paid Linux CD? Then Linux loses nothing. Why? You can get free CDs. You can download it to CD-R. You can't do that w/ Windows legally.
But now Linux must start becoming even more user friendly, or the MS repo tactic will be very successful.
However, how many Linux users do you know that want to install Windows on their Linux machine?
Please go to After Y2K (www.nitrozac.com) and vote for geek number 1 (me!) in the look-a-like contest!
While its slow to happen, the ability of individuals to freely develop 3d games and apps is increasing. A while back Chex had a doom-based cd-rom game on their site, and they had to pay for it.
But the GPLing allows anyone with a slight bit of graphics talent to build their own independant game.
And with Quake now open source, enhancments can be added easier, I.E. the loveable PAIN package (I loved web-swinging like spiderman with the grappling hook and harpoon.)
Think of the possibilities.
XBill 3D would be cool.
Ever seen that episode of the new Jonny Quest where they delete data by shooting it? Make directories into rooms, etc.
And yes, the process killer will have to be ported too.
We could easily have selectable 'levels' signifying file management, process managment, wiping windows, network sniffing, and more!
That's all I want to go on about for now. Hey everyone, please vote for geek number 1 (me!) in the after y2k ( www.nitrozac.com ) look-a-like contest.
I loved Wolfenstein 3d. When I was 8, and got my first 386 (a system that could run windows!) I ran this game first. That first night, with the computer just sitting on a ottoman (hadn't moved the 8088 yet), I sat there wondering about this cool game. I played until late into the night.
Eventually I beat it, and moved on. It did, however, make me look back onto a piece of my own heritage, as my grandmother had been forced to work in a concentration camp.
Now I'm playing Quake2. It took a long time to get it working because of stupid NT and a long lapse from all gaming. But it's not the same.
My question is simple. Why not recreate it with the Q2 engine? I'm no graphic artist, but someone with The Gimp should easily be able to revamp them.
Why wolf3d? I think the biggest difference between wolf3d and other 3d games of today is the storyline. While Quake and such have nice get-outta-my-way-I-would-rather-be-causing-pain simple plots, Wolfenstein had something more. It was a trip into our past. It put us into battle with the evil so many had hated, been hurt by, or fought to destroy. It put so many into a position of power where there had been none, and inspired many games to come. Anyway, there was no instant death BFG or rocket launcher. It was all so realistic.
That's all for now, but I might think of something and reply to my own post. Live with it.
Apple has gotten into quite a mess this time. Their next move will probably be to overclock 450MHZ chips to 500MHZ. The effect of this would be sad, because the Mac empire is bad enough off already. Poor Steve...
PLEASE VISIT http://www.ndnet.org/!
This was significant, not in the fact that they wanted to just get their money back but in the fact that they were sick and tired of having a program they didn't want pushed on them.
Their next step probably will be vendors (boycotts?) and will probably have the same reaction.
As for it being a holiday, Microsoft told callers they would be open. They probably just bailed out when they realized what may happen.
I wish I was there, but I couldn't be. Too bad. But to those who where there, think of what it was like. Linux has often been called David to Microsoft Goliath. This was in essence a slingshot forward.
And about this hurting Linux and Open Source? Forget that. It is too strong now, and this was just people who wanted to return something that they didn't use.
If you were given a glass of water every time you asked for an empty glass, wouldn't you be upset it you wanted the glass for juice or pop or whatever?
(Usually I come up with good analogies, but today I'm not.)
So don't give the masses who don't want the included software any trouble.