It's not much they're asking, only $25 or so, no? I'd *much* rather give my money to codeweavers than MICROS~1 any day. Might I point out that they also do give a lot away for free (this fully functional demo for example. or wine - that *rocks* =)
I don't mind supporting a company like that.
Erm... popular quicktime *codecs* - you know what I meant.:-)
Brain not in gear atm. Only just woke up. But yah, I'm d/l right now, but what would be really cool is if the sorenson (sp?) codec worked....
I totally agree that it has a long way to come. When will battle.net work in starcraft??!;-)
But it certainly isn't slow. As many people have said, Wine Is Not an Emulator. It goes almost as fast as native windows.
Back in the day, when I used to play counterstrike (before I discovered UrbanTerror for quake3) I ran it in wine. It took a little fscking around to make it work (which I don't mind) - but when it did it went nicely. Either in a window on my kde2 desktop, or fullscreen. I got about 40-50 fps on my celery 700 & TNT2 M64. Ditto goes for half-life single player. And perfectly stable too.
Oh, and I do seem to recall seeing MSWord (97?) running in wine... of course I'm not about to buy it and install it to find out - openoffice works just fine for me. But does anyone know anything about that?
Oh yeah, and the install proggy that I've seen most windows stuff use, InstallShield(tm) works just fine in wine.:-)
So don't knock it 'till you've tried it. That said, I much prefer to buy native linux games from loki, given the choice. Hell, wouldn't you??
I wonder what loki are getting so worried for...
It's not *just* better graphics (although that's a major bonus). Gameplay too.You really should try it. Check out www.urbanterror.net if you're interested.
It's the same kinda style play as CS, in that you can have "team survivor mode" where it's in rounds, and when you're dead you're dead (it's also got other modes like CTF too). When you get hit you bleed, and have to bandage yourself or bleed to death. There's full area damage, not just BS (random) "headshots" - you can get hit in the heart / lungs / liver / neck etc too. Players limp when they've been hit in the leg.
And your player actually points his gun straight ahead. After playing UT I can't stand to look at CS, it feels what I can only describe as "gammy" - in CS your player holds his gun on a 45 degree angle across his body. Oh, and the gun models look *fucking sweet* (as well as the player models and stuff) in UT - especially on other players (put your chase cam on another player and you'll see what I mean).
His sidearm acutally comes out of the holster when he's using it, and he slings his primary weapon on his back. (I say "him" but there are female models too). Oh, and you can actually kill stuff with grenades.
Anyway... I could go on all day, but I won't. You've just gotta play it for yourself. Trust me it rocks:-)
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I've got a p100 box with an 80meg HD running Debian. It works just fine, as a web server, ftp server, and masquerading box. Lets see your 75meg windows do *that*.;-)
Oh, and I'd like to see it done. I've tried and I can't get win95 below 90meg min install...
Somehow methinks maybe it could be done with XP though?
*cough*sarcasm*cough*
Oh, and I've got a p200 box I use as a bridge (well, I needed a makeshift hub, and had a shitload of spare network cards lying around...) with *no* hard drive in it. Don't even get me started on LRP... =)
quoth the poster: "In fact it's been over a year since I've even played Quake3, and I don't know anyone else who still plays it either."
Well now you do. Counterstrike is *OLD* and lame (yeah, ok I admit it. I'm trying to start a flamewar here. But I don't think my karma can take any more punishment than it has already...). Why so many people play that game *religiously* is beyond me. I got cstrike running with a perfect 50fps in wine, totally stable. I played it for less than a month, then I saw much better mods for quake3 and deleted cstrike for the diskspace.
Let's hear it for Urban Terror!
Everyone who prefers a mod where your player doesn't hold his gun on a weird angle raise your hand....
I *do* have control over image quality. If *I* want better frame rate for worse picture quality I'm quite capable of whacking my mipscale down myself thank you very much (r_picmip in quake3 I think). But that's *my* choice.
No, it's obvious here that people will buy the card based on good reviews, but where have you ever seen a benchmark that included "image quality" eh? This seems like writing "smart" drivers that know when they're being used on quake3 (hence they care about the exec name) and bump image quality down for the sake of higher frame rates. If the *reviewers* did that for one of the cards they reviewed (rather than the drivers doing it for them) then you'd say "they aren't comparing apples with apples". So what's the diff?
I am half way to crying "ATI are bastards!!". They are blatently trying to manipulate independent benchmarks, and *that* has gotta be unethical. no?
um... you mean/., not sf there I think. I doubt its a bug... more likely a feature. (any bug you havn't fixed yet or can't be bothered fixing simply becomes a "feature", right?;-)
so you could try and get them to change it, but I think it'd be easier just to create an account. it'll take you 2 seconds, its easy, painless, and best of all free. so why not?
at uni we have both macs & windows. I used the M$ boxen for a while, but decided they were a pain in the ass & switched to using the macs. of course I soon found that the macs crashed even more than the windows computers. no joke. they were unstable as fuck. one would crash on me (hard lock. completly frozen. these are imacs btw) at least once per session I used one. so I switched back to using the windows ones. of course I use one of the solaris boxen over in the COSC department whenever the room isn't full.... but they don't have many of 'em.:-(
am I the only one that thinks:
expensive boxen (read: duron 850) to play obsolete games == *very* bad idea?
if I was gonna pay for that kinda hardware I would expect a lot more than a few old nintendo games to play on it! its a cool hack, but a shit business idea.
of course not. if windows is all he knows then he's best to do what he can with what he's got. I don't think anyone would say otherwise. but it'd still be cool if it was a linux box, don't ya think?
and I bet you it wouldn't blue screen as much! hehe
wow. I'm glad I don't have mod points. I would be torn between "troll" and "flamebait".
has anyone else noticed how elaborate this troll is? he's even put up a web page, and linked it from his sig. LOL
Thank you! I notice you got modded down as "flamebait" for saying it, but good on you. Someone had to say it. I've seen some real dickhead moderation on here recently.
Personally I love staroffice, but I wish people who said bad things about it didn't get modded down. I still value their opinions equally and would like to read opposite points of view. Now because of some luser moderator(s) (wouldn't surprise me now days if there was more than one) I will have to go back through at 0 or -1 to read these comments.
Are mars society a proper respected society? no doubt they probably are, and I'm the only one who's never heard of them. right?
Actually I have come across their website before, but that was through a link from this guy's website, so you know how seriously I would take *that*;-)
heh, you're not the only ones. yeah, we've got unmetered local calls down here in New Zealand. but everyone just thinks of us as part of Australia, right?
Sue them under the DMCA? ay? hang on a sec... I didn't know they've got a DMCA in australia?
oh yeah, now I remember! you just wait for them to set foot in the USA one day, then nail them under the DMCA for something they did in another country.;-)
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It's not much they're asking, only $25 or so, no? I'd *much* rather give my money to codeweavers than MICROS~1 any day. Might I point out that they also do give a lot away for free (this fully functional demo for example. or wine - that *rocks* =)
I don't mind supporting a company like that.
Erm... popular quicktime *codecs* - you know what I meant. :-)
Brain not in gear atm. Only just woke up. But yah, I'm d/l right now, but what would be really cool is if the sorenson (sp?) codec worked....
I've been waiting for this for a long time. Anyone know if all popluar quicktime plugins etc work?
And here's me think that tar (Tape ARchive ??) was *made* for backing up (onto tapes)... no?
I totally agree that it has a long way to come. When will battle.net work in starcraft??! ;-)
:-)
But it certainly isn't slow. As many people have said, Wine Is Not an Emulator. It goes almost as fast as native windows.
Back in the day, when I used to play counterstrike (before I discovered UrbanTerror for quake3) I ran it in wine. It took a little fscking around to make it work (which I don't mind) - but when it did it went nicely. Either in a window on my kde2 desktop, or fullscreen. I got about 40-50 fps on my celery 700 & TNT2 M64. Ditto goes for half-life single player. And perfectly stable too.
Oh, and I do seem to recall seeing MSWord (97?) running in wine... of course I'm not about to buy it and install it to find out - openoffice works just fine for me. But does anyone know anything about that?
Oh yeah, and the install proggy that I've seen most windows stuff use, InstallShield(tm) works just fine in wine.
So don't knock it 'till you've tried it. That said, I much prefer to buy native linux games from loki, given the choice. Hell, wouldn't you??
I wonder what loki are getting so worried for...
"You can get into almost anywhere if you look serious and carry a clipboard". Wish I knew who said it. Seems it's true....
It's not *just* better graphics (although that's a major bonus). Gameplay too.You really should try it. Check out www.urbanterror.net if you're interested.
:-)
It's the same kinda style play as CS, in that you can have "team survivor mode" where it's in rounds, and when you're dead you're dead (it's also got other modes like CTF too). When you get hit you bleed, and have to bandage yourself or bleed to death. There's full area damage, not just BS (random) "headshots" - you can get hit in the heart / lungs / liver / neck etc too. Players limp when they've been hit in the leg.
And your player actually points his gun straight ahead. After playing UT I can't stand to look at CS, it feels what I can only describe as "gammy" - in CS your player holds his gun on a 45 degree angle across his body. Oh, and the gun models look *fucking sweet* (as well as the player models and stuff) in UT - especially on other players (put your chase cam on another player and you'll see what I mean).
His sidearm acutally comes out of the holster when he's using it, and he slings his primary weapon on his back. (I say "him" but there are female models too). Oh, and you can actually kill stuff with grenades.
Anyway... I could go on all day, but I won't. You've just gotta play it for yourself. Trust me it rocks
I've got a p100 box with an 80meg HD running Debian. It works just fine, as a web server, ftp server, and masquerading box. Lets see your 75meg windows do *that*. ;-)
Oh, and I'd like to see it done. I've tried and I can't get win95 below 90meg min install...
Somehow methinks maybe it could be done with XP though?
*cough*sarcasm*cough*
Oh, and I've got a p200 box I use as a bridge (well, I needed a makeshift hub, and had a shitload of spare network cards lying around...) with *no* hard drive in it. Don't even get me started on LRP... =)
*more stable* ;-)
seriously though, we're bashing MICROS~1 here damit - join the fun....
quoth the poster: "In fact it's been over a year since I've even played Quake3, and I don't know anyone else who still plays it either."
Well now you do. Counterstrike is *OLD* and lame (yeah, ok I admit it. I'm trying to start a flamewar here. But I don't think my karma can take any more punishment than it has already...). Why so many people play that game *religiously* is beyond me. I got cstrike running with a perfect 50fps in wine, totally stable. I played it for less than a month, then I saw much better mods for quake3 and deleted cstrike for the diskspace.
Let's hear it for Urban Terror!
Everyone who prefers a mod where your player doesn't hold his gun on a weird angle raise your hand....
I *do* have control over image quality. If *I* want better frame rate for worse picture quality I'm quite capable of whacking my mipscale down myself thank you very much (r_picmip in quake3 I think). But that's *my* choice.
No, it's obvious here that people will buy the card based on good reviews, but where have you ever seen a benchmark that included "image quality" eh? This seems like writing "smart" drivers that know when they're being used on quake3 (hence they care about the exec name) and bump image quality down for the sake of higher frame rates. If the *reviewers* did that for one of the cards they reviewed (rather than the drivers doing it for them) then you'd say "they aren't comparing apples with apples". So what's the diff?
I am half way to crying "ATI are bastards!!". They are blatently trying to manipulate independent benchmarks, and *that* has gotta be unethical. no?
ROTFLMAO! =)
wtf is with the moderation? that should be "funny"
btw: you can actually get emacs for winblows?
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There was a time not so long ago when I would have totally agreed with you. but now... hmm...
I think if you were told about the DMCA before it became a reality you (as would I) would've said it'll never fly. look what happened.
"In this case I would think we would WANT our enemies to know how good our capabilities at shooting down missiles are. This way they wouldn't attack."
;-)
but if the system really *works*, then why bother? might as well let them waste ammo
um... you mean /., not sf there I think. I doubt its a bug... more likely a feature. (any bug you havn't fixed yet or can't be bothered fixing simply becomes a "feature", right? ;-)
so you could try and get them to change it, but I think it'd be easier just to create an account. it'll take you 2 seconds, its easy, painless, and best of all free. so why not?
at uni we have both macs & windows. I used the M$ boxen for a while, but decided they were a pain in the ass & switched to using the macs. of course I soon found that the macs crashed even more than the windows computers. no joke. they were unstable as fuck. one would crash on me (hard lock. completly frozen. these are imacs btw) at least once per session I used one. so I switched back to using the windows ones. of course I use one of the solaris boxen over in the COSC department whenever the room isn't full.... but they don't have many of 'em. :-(
so how many of these would you hope to sell?
am I the only one that thinks:
expensive boxen (read: duron 850) to play obsolete games == *very* bad idea?
if I was gonna pay for that kinda hardware I would expect a lot more than a few old nintendo games to play on it! its a cool hack, but a shit business idea.
of course not. if windows is all he knows then he's best to do what he can with what he's got. I don't think anyone would say otherwise. but it'd still be cool if it was a linux box, don't ya think?
and I bet you it wouldn't blue screen as much! hehe
wow. I'm glad I don't have mod points. I would be torn between "troll" and "flamebait".
has anyone else noticed how elaborate this troll is? he's even put up a web page, and linked it from his sig. LOL
Thank you! I notice you got modded down as "flamebait" for saying it, but good on you. Someone had to say it. I've seen some real dickhead moderation on here recently.
Personally I love staroffice, but I wish people who said bad things about it didn't get modded down. I still value their opinions equally and would like to read opposite points of view. Now because of some luser moderator(s) (wouldn't surprise me now days if there was more than one) I will have to go back through at 0 or -1 to read these comments.
Are mars society a proper respected society? no doubt they probably are, and I'm the only one who's never heard of them. right? ;-)
Actually I have come across their website before, but that was through a link from this guy's website, so you know how seriously I would take *that*
you could just leave your box on 24/7 and go here =)
heh, you're not the only ones. yeah, we've got unmetered local calls down here in New Zealand. but everyone just thinks of us as part of Australia, right?
lol. you think that's funny huh?
I actually *do* that! nobody can ever get me on the telephone, I'm on the 'net nearly 24/7 (modem).
if anyone wants to call, I have to explicitly d/c from the 'net to let them call... basically what you described, no?
Sue them under the DMCA? ay? hang on a sec... I didn't know they've got a DMCA in australia?
;-)
oh yeah, now I remember! you just wait for them to set foot in the USA one day, then nail them under the DMCA for something they did in another country.