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Sony Announces a Super Playstation 2, the "PSX"
Doctor_No writes "Sony has announced a souped-up Playstation 2 in Japan. The machine, named the "PSX", comes with 120GB hard drive and a DVD+/-RW for recording videos and DVR features much like
Sony's Cocoon.
The machine will be released sometime in 2003, and come with a service that offers multimedia content such as video and music through internet
connectivity. If you live in Japan, it will also come with a BS
tuner; which is a Japanese Satellite Broadcast tuner. The new
machine also boasts a real-time OS, USB 2.0, Memorystick slot, and a
connection with Sony's Portable handheld, the "PSP".
UBS Warburg has an article here,
but these two Japanese sites offer better information (albeit in
Japanese); Watch
Impress, ZDnet
Japan. Here is a rather large PDF presentation."
Anyone foresee this problem?
120GB HDD + DVD-R/RW + Mod Chip = a PS2 that will make copies of it's games for you.
If you add into the equation the multimedia via internet connectivity, it sounds like you've got a multi-purpose piracy machine.
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In my line of work, I wish I had one of those.
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Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Playstation 2's!
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2005 in Europe 2007 in North America
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So, this is just a PC without as much flexibility as a PC?
1. PSX, the Playstation 2 with 120GB HD, DVD+/-RW, USB 2.0 and more, is released.
2. A modchip is released.
3. Linux is installed on it.
4. Everyone slowly realizes it's really a computer. YOU GUYS!!!
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Gamecube IS better, if Sony can't deal with it, fine. If I want a DVD-R i would bought one.
maybe they're changing the official name to PSone for all of them, rather than just the smaller versions?
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That's what I thought when I first read that. I guess Sony is in a serious lack of ideas when it comes to finding console names (Playstation, Playstation One, Playstation 2, Playstation Portable). Maybe someone needs to e-mail them with other console names, since they can't figure a new one by themselves :-P
I couldn't find anywhere that it included i.Link?Firewire. I find it hard to believe that Sony would make a multimedia product that didn't have a port or two
Maybe I just need to brush up on my Japanese.
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Anyhow - this thing sounds interesting,..... but I must say I've got a PS2 and to be honest - while it's not a bad little unit, I spend far more time on my Xbox.
No graphics aren't everything and yes the Xbox has it's fair share of shitty games (definately) but I think this thing could have been the PS3 to be honest rather than the PS2.5+TIVO etc etc.
Definately an interesting idea and definately a sexy unit - we are beggining to see the transformation of gaming consoles to "everything units" slowly, maybe 3 or 4 generations time I'll even ditch the PC and use ICQ / WWW in the lounge (as soon as my display is 1600x1200 @ 100hz mind you.....)
Anyone know prices for this thing?
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I can't wait to try out the new "PS2" when it's released in 2005!
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ya ya ya. Yawn !!! PSX adds 120GB,blah,blah,... PSX looks more like XBox than PSX. Follow the leader.
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The 120gig Harddrive is nice. Anyone know if this is the size for the HD they announced this year at E3 for existing PS2s?
What with PSX being the code for the original PlayStation format, isn't this going to get a little confusing?
Or is that only a British thing?
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whether one should be happy that there is some serious competition to Microsoft's platform for home entertainment, media, and gaming, or whether one should be rather unhappy about the fact that it appears to be just as proprietary.
If you live in Japan, it will also come with a BS tuner;
It gets Fox News?
of all these products that have an X in their name. Just count me out; I won't be buying one.
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Irritating, isn't it?
Sony has beat MS to the punch again. We know that Xbox 2 was meant a home media center. Now Sony has one that does more then Xbox 2 was planned to have(mainly the DVD burner). Plus its practacly a home computer.
I can't wait unti the PSX has an office suite and CUPS print drivers.
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I think it is a good idea, I would like a combined console, sat. reciever, tv recorder in one package. One could fear that such a box would be too expensive, but couldn't that be solved by making it so you could upgrade it with the diffent features.
Another problem would be the TV recording feature, I fear that it would not be available in my country to get tv listings for it. It could be solved by having a subscription service that was independent of the manufacturer of the box. But I guess they wouldn't do that unless the company that makes the box got a percentage of the subscription fee. Well, the possibilities are endless..
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Microsoft have been outdone by far. Well done Sony.
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It's about time they put a Memory Stick slot on those things. Sony put them on everything else they make.
I hope they move to using Memory Sticks for saved game storage, instead of having to buy another special card for the next console. It never made sense to me that on one hand, they're pushing these things as your personal magic solution to portable storage, then not use them on one of their biggest products.
Wasting your time since 1997.
The only way an OS is going to work properly on this box is if it's got as heck of a lot more RAM.
Is the fusion of gaming and general electrnoics the wave of the future? What's the point of this device, exactly? I can already do all of this stuff with my PC. Indeed, if the intention of this product is to be a PC alternative, then what about a keyboard and mouse?
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i buy all products solely on the basis of whether or not, and how many, x'es are in the name.
you insensitive clod?
So long as it doesn't include any intrusive DRM technology, I'm interested.
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does it play games?
Fox news tells it like it is, you just don't want to hear it.
OK, so it's odd.
But this isn't the first time that Sony have pulled a wierd one.
Case in point: the sequel to Final Fantasy Ten is called FFXII.
Like the sequal to the old snes game 'Megaman X' ('Megaman X II'),
this is actually meant to read as "Final Fantasy X Two" rather than "Final Fantasy Twelve".
With all these fancy features resulting in convergence, I'm afraid that the "game" console that we've all grown up with are a dying entity. Soon, these "lounge-PC's" will encounter bugs/crashes and before you know it, they'll start coming in all shades of beige.
I think that companies should not forget why people by games consoles in the first place, and perhaps add modular components.. or not. Just gimme good games god dammit!
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I'd love to have one of those at work, at home and pretty much everywhere.
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This has been forseen for some time. But didn't anyone tell Sony that Tivo is dead? I get a digital cable box with built-in DVR from my cable company for the same cost as Tivo with no phone wires and no hardware cost. Free upgrades, too.
This is bizarre, because all of the listed Playstation One games at work (electronics retailer) are under the three-letter abbreviation PSX, so I always think of PSX as the first one. So this seems old, not new!! Does anyone else find it weird that Sony is super protective of all its copyrighted stuff, and yet keeps coming out with mp3 players, DVD burners, and more and more ways to share multimedia files?
Sega plan to release their next generation console dubbed the "Master System" bundled with a new adventure game Alex Kidd in Miracle World. .... tuner
Nintendo plan to release the eagerly awaited "NES" with new Power Glove technology.
Atari are back in the game with there new "2600".
and Microsoft announce new BS
The articles state that the PSX would probably come out in the US in 2004. Given that the next generation of consoles is slated to arrive in 2004-2005, it seems strange that they would spend extra money on a redesign of the PS2 instead of putting their resources into the PS3.
The possibilities seem to be 1) This machine is a test bed for many of the technologies they plan to put in the PS3, and they want to use the PSX as a dry run, 2) They plan to come to market late with the PS3, and this is a stopgap measure, or 3) They're morons, and are spending all of this money to release a dated gaming system (with nifty bells and whistles) just as consumers have started salivating over the next generation.
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I can already see people selling PSXes on eBay, taking advantage of the name confusion.
So, is this the impressive calculator Sony once told about before releasing the PS2 ?
Does it only come with games or will there be "productivity apps" ?
How many MIPS does it have ?
Will it fairly contribute to either SETI@home or any other distributed.net project ?
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...I just find it funny that the PSX PDF on IGN includes recon photos of the PSX plant in Japan. MS and Nintendo will surely take advantage of this one slip-up. ;)
No doubt, this sounds like a great product - I will definitely be getting one, once they ship (provided the factory stays intact!)
If Sony were the monolith its detractors claim, the PS developers would be pretty much mandated to run ITRON/uITRON/JTRON in this kind of device. I think Sony licences an emotion engline uITRON build to games developers who want one - does anyone know for sure what RTOSes do work on EE?
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Here's what I'm curious about:
Most of the buzz on the PS3 indicates that it will be arriving in 2005. So why come out with a "Super PS2" in 2004 that will do all sorts of cool things (though, I'm certainly hoping "transferring memory data from standard PS2 memory card to memory stick/hard drive is one of them - I hate buying those things)?
I'm just weird enough that I'd want to wait the extra year and see if there's a PS3 and a "Super PS3" for 2005 - if you want to play games for $300, get a PS3, if you want to play games, record DVD's, have Tivo like abilities, etc, etc, etc, get the Super PS3.
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Can anyone explain to me what a "real-time OS" is? Is the current playstation OS pre-generated? Are there programmers creating routines in the box as you play?
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Considering PS3 is taken by some block of vapor...
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This could be the PS2.5
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Sony held a press conference on the 28th to present their 2003 corporate direction. President Kutaragi announced their new platform, the PSX. It is planned to be released domestically within the year, with a North American and European release following in 2004.
The PSX uses the same chips and OS as the PS2. It will be a new platform providing not only gaming capabilities, but also containing a TV/BS analog tuner and delivering DVD recording functionality and acting as a 120GB HDD recorder.
In addition to a slot-in type DVD+-RW/-R, it also has a Memory Stivk slot, an Ethernet port and a USB2.0 port.
The company declared that they "aim to take advantage of the combination of electronics and gaming, and through the use of the most advanced semiconductor technology for game machines and a real-time OS, we plan to deliver this high quality, high speed response DVD/HDD recorder within the year."
Kutaragi said the X is intended to indicate the machine's "crossover" role between digital home electronics and gaming, as well as show their enthusiasm for the "eXtreme" nature of this ultimate expression of the PS2 platform. He also provided a demonstration of the machine.
In the demo, he displayed the machine's newly-developed interfaces, and showed it conducting video playback. He demonstrated the highly responsive menu system in an attempt to refute the reputation digital home electronics have for slowness. He explained, "we have been thinking about how far we can take the PS2 engine as a home electronics device, and we wished to demonstrate how much we can change digital home electronics by using this engine."
In addition, he demonstrated the machine's interface as a photo server and discussed the machine's attractiveness as a digital media server.
No details were given of the machine's implementation of I/O ports and recording methods, but regarding DRM, he said, "it is a very serious problem. Protecting the rights of copyright holders is important, but at the same time users desire to be able to enjoy (it) easily and conveniently." In order to fulfill these requirements, he explained that the latest DRM technology would be used. "We are thinking of including a signal in the analog output to prevent copying", he said, and regarding digital broadcasts, explained that "the industry has not yet come to a consensus, so we are intending to include a preliminary implementation."
The PSX is not a product of SCEI, but rather the BroadBand Network Company, part of the main Sony company and headed by Kutaragi. There was no comment on the price.
So, will this PS[X2] play DVD's - or will it suck in playing DVD's like the PS2[1] sucked in playing DVD's?
Maybe they name it PSX to confuse people...
"Hey, my PSX doesn't play DVD's properly!"
Sony: "Did you say PSX? Do you Mean PSOne or PS1 or PS2 or just PSX which can be PSOne, PS1 and/or PS2 which is now PSX"
"Uhm.. nevermind. I'll just keep saying that it can play DVD's. So my friends can throw shit at me..."
I'll get the emulator as soon as there is one available. Until then I'll stuck with my Gamecube which is considered FUBAR by those ELITE-SZENE-MAGIC people since the Nintendo stock quotes dropped slightly.. THEY know what makes a video game fun.. It's the producers stock quotes.
XBox fan: "Hey, Nintendo lost money! Soon it's bye, bye Nintendo and Gamecube... YOU suck..."
PS[2X] fan: "Yeah.. DIE nintendo..."
GC fan: (doesn't recognize them.. still busy playing Metroid Prime)
When will this be available in the US? And can I take out a 15-year loan to pay for it?
Maybe this is the Japanese name and they'll rebrand it for us western folks for which the original Playstation was usually called the PSX. Maybe it'll become the PS2X or something? Myself I like the name PS2 Extreme (pronounced Playstation tooooo Extreme).
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Who will be the chosen HD manufacturer?
Hopefully not Sony... =)
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PSX? Isn't that the Playstation 1?
No, that was its development name. For some strange reason people still call it the PSX.
What is worse is that some people call the PS2 the PSX2.
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Just what I was looking for, all BS, all the time ;)
Unless, this is actually the PS3's incarnation with older Sony guts (Sambra Price is right anyone?) for Japan.
Perhaps what we're looking at is the PS3, they're just not saying that outright?
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...something like this has always been talked about as becoming a major part of the PS3, even the possibility of there being multi-tier releases of both--the cheaper being a dedicated console with only some of the features, and the more expensive offering higher-end components, PVR abilities, and much more networking with the computer and the home entertainment system altogether. Now, well, we just seem to be getting it early.
It's seemed much like the Cell processor would take a lot longer to develop and implement than previously expected (and no wonder, considering the near magical capabilities they keep touting. Even if it only delivers half of what it says, the thing is still jaw dropping. And complex. Therefore longer to develop and refine to affordabilitiy.) Losing the jump on next-generation consoles, of course, would be a BAAAAAD thing, and with even Nintendo--who had previously been believed to be dropping from hardware altogether--pressing hard to beat the PS3 and Xbox2 to release, obviously something needed to be done. I guess this is what they're doing.
The PS2, of course, has sold a huge number of units, but consoledom is speeding up as well, and I guess if you can't overwhelm them with performance, you can knock them out with features. Sony is being pressed by companies like Toshiba and Hitachi and Panasonic on the DVD-recorder end all by itself, and it makes a lot of sense for them to push their advantages--offering MORE. If the PSX can offer top-end PVR features, DVD-recording capabilities, tons of home and PC networking, AND the abilities of their PS2 (enhanced further, I imagine) and the prospects of linking with the PSP that people are already salivating over... well... seems like a winning combination to me. (Provided they remain competitive on price or even cheaper, which Sony may well push for.)
Will it be a typical "new console"? Seemingly not, but it could be an effective stopgap as Sony (and others) push to finish the Cell process and finalize the "what's" and "when's" that will make up the actual PS3. Will we see some enhancements on the PS2 from the unit? I certainly imagine so... I mean it would be stupid of them not to. HDTV-readiness will be assured from a unit like this, and they certainly could enact a few enhancements to the Emotion Engine in general (they've certainly been refining the process a lot) and perhaps enhance the pathways in the rest of the unit--clean up any choke points on the current unit. If they could multi-process for solid performance benefits they just might, but I imagine the possibilities of that are pretty low.
So I guess what we're seeing here is more evolution of the console industry, convergence with the rest of tech. Up until now a console would usually stay exactly the same for a number of years until near the end of its lifespan, when it may get a case redesign. Now we're seeing a lot more expandability and penchant for "updates" with more than just bundling offers, case-colors or slight internal tweaking to fix some design inadequacies. (Those mostly aren't announced anyway.) The current PS2 is already getting a design replacement (included network adaptor, better DVD player, quieter fan, et al), and the PSX is yet another design option, rather than being anything powerfully "new" from a console standpoint. (Not replacing the current PS2, of course, as it will no doubt be much more expensive. If they can get THAT sucker out at $200? o_O Fuck all, I'm THERE!)
Smart-ass maneuver on Sony's part, though. It can offer more than other DVD recorders or PVRs, gaining more appeal (and perhaps bringing more people who normally wouldn't into console-dom), and becomes a highly appealing option for anyone whose PS2's get broken or wear out or whatnot (after all, they already have the games). It also pushes the developers, as the new PS2s and the PSX are coming network-ready, and they know they'll have more features they could start taking advantage of with the PSX. With it coming out before the PSP, developers looking towards that u
One has to wonder how they intend to use the enhanced features. It seems to me that this configuration is a toy for technophiles, and little more. With the mix of technologies, it looks like they're trying to merge a PS2 with a PVR.
If they're smart enough to do this in the PS3, and maintain backward compatibility with PS2 and PS1, they have a strong entry into the next generation. The PS2 grabbed a lot of sales because it combined a gaming console with something many people didn't have yet, but wanted - a DVD player. This next time around, they could do that same thing with a PVR, but only if Microsoft and Nintendo don't do the same thing first. Sony stole that DVD player/game console market because they were the first to market. Microsoft offered the same functionality (albeit hamstrung out of the box), but most of the people who could be coerced to buy a game console because it would also net them a DVD player had already bought a PS2.
The more I think about it, the more this looks like a proof of concept to beta test the convergence of these technologies. This PSX is a niche product at best, but it will give them a change to iron out technical issues with the PVR/console combination so the can comfortably launch the PS3 with all of this plus a new core for the console part.
The DVD burning functionality is also an interesting cross-over play when combined with the memory stick slot - it adds a new audience. It Sony can bundle the right tools in there, users will be able to pull the memory stick out of their digital cameras (and digital videocams in the mid-term), and burn those images to a DVD. The possibilities are broad, but signs point to this being an R&D product that will be sold to niches to cover some of the R&D costs.
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but what they don't tell you is that it doesn't play games anymore.
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It's a Tivo, It's a Media Hub, It's a PSP sync station, it's a DVD burner, it's going to suck your Amex dry - the only problem being when you try to use it to play a game you realise it's just a PS2 which I can pick up for f'all currently. Surely once you've sunk all your cash into such a lovely beast and it's nestling beneath your TV set it's going to make you slightly reluctant to upgrade to a PS3 and lose all that lovely functionality.
I never understood why people bought All-In-Wonder Cards if they were serious game players always wanting the latest technology and I've no idea why anybody would buy this.
Games consoles are supposed to be disposable items - bought the day they came out for a reasonably large sum and forgotten in the back of your cupboard 4 years later. I don't want to have to invest in my consoles, take out finance on them etc.
Actually a thought hit me as I was typing all this, I think what Sony have just done is take a Tivo Box with a DVD burner they already had knocking about in research and plugged in the "PS2 on a chip" thingie they were banging on about recently. I suppose if the PS2 function is a freebie then it's a good enough way of getting a few potential new PS2 game customers who would never normally dream of straying into their local game shop. Sony also have a spoiler attitude, killing DC with PS2 rumours, trying to knobble GBA SP with PSP and now XBox Media thingie with this.
I have but one question: did they up the RAM? The 32MB limit is all that is keeping me from purchasing one as a desktop.
be easier to mod a normal ps2? I've seen some pretty impressive stuff that's been done to normal ps2s...
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Why would this have any more of a reason to sell than a 64DD, or a 32X? Most people that want a Playstation2 will have one already, and otherwise they'll be confused because this doesn't look like a playstation 2.
Game Companies need to realize that once your console is out, it's out. Don't add a hard drive, modem, ethernet or entire drive to it.
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What I find really interesting is whilst there is potential broadband access, and I'm sure a raft of available, DRM, Sony content, I haven't read any confermed talk of 'real' net access, or say, any unlicensed program development.
Not only are Sony beating MS to the punch with home entertainment, they are beating them to a completely closed platform - what use are bit torrent links if you have no client?
There are probably a few confused webmasters waking up around now :)
I'm assuming that since all of you are drooling over the PSX you'll all be moving to Japan?
Anyone heard anything about whether this can record and play games at the same time?
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So when is Nintendo's newest console the "NES" coming?
Seems like we ran out of names. Prepare for a new trend: Name-recycling.
So what if sony is? The Pc will always rule all gaming dimesions. The computer is up to 200 GB and most computers if you request can get DVD-Rw and DVD-R drives. And what video card? We have a radeon 9800 pro with 128 MB. If they put that in we will have plenty ones from nVida or ATI soon. No worries to PC users.
Gamers only want ONE thing, GAMES. We dont want schnazzy crap all over the place. We want CHEAP and AFFORDABLE systems that play some really kickass games. Sticking all this crap in a box is the worst thing you could do. Sure, as a stand alone multimedia station this is gunna rock, but after we've got one on the XBox, there is NO REASON to buy this one?!
A european release before an American one!??? That'd be a first!
I find it kind of hypocritical that Xbox is derided by the anything-but-MS(-to-the-point-of-complete-blindnes s) crowd either as trying to "lock in" the customer to a "proprietary" system where everything is DRM-enabled and tightly controlled, or alternatively, it's just a "generic" low-end PC using the "generic" Intel/nVidia chips. (Which is it - proprietary or generic? Please decide, for Christ's sake! And what's so astoundingly brilliant about using unproven Sony and Toshiba chips instead of tried-and-tested Intel and nVidia? Is it about novelty?)
Now here comes Sony with the "PSX", including a 100% proprietary architecture and chipset, proprietary DRM-enabled Memory Stick storage, proprietary OS, a service offering (Sony) music and (Sony) videos via Internet, and a connection to Sony's new Gameboy-alike, and people here actually fucking applaud them! Jesus Christ, the only thing they haven't done is make the thing work exclusively with Sony TV and audio equipment (although by the time the damn thing comes out, the connectivity will probably be such that it will work far easier with said brand of equipment.) I suppose all Sony has to do is mention that the machine may, sometime, for an extra hundred bucks or so, run Linux, and the machine may as well have a crown of thorns and stigmata.
Are people really that blind? Seriously, is the anti-Microsoft crowd at this site so fucking delusional that they think Microsoft is Satan and anybody else is Heaven-sent? If so, I suggest all you Comp.Sci. majors start minoring in Japanese right now.
A LOT of people here spend so much time bitching about Microsoft that they don't notice how Sony already has the control of content and is moving to completely control distribution. Sony is creating their own end-to-end proprietary system RIGHT NOW. It's almost finished, and the last component is the PSX! I SHIT YOU NOT!!!
I find it funny that everyone was/is bashing the Xbox for it being PC-like with it's architecture and hard drive, but here we are with a "PSX" that is even more PC-like than the Xbox and no one has said anything. Personally, I wouldn't shell out the cash for a "PSX" especially when the PS3 comes out soon and will probably be backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games. It will probably have a pretty hefty price tag too. Sorry, I think this media center PlayStation is just a really bad idea.
Playstation tooooo Extreme
:D you could have bill and ted advertising it... or is that not a good idea?
despite the fact that it sounds like it was ripped from an 80's movie, i'll have to concede that it has a certain ring to it
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Why is everyone so excited about this? With the exception of the DVD-R, Xbox does most of this stuff already. Yeah, way to innovate Sony.
the blurb from Sony talks about a 65nm fabrication process .. isn't that 0.065 um? i've lost of track of silicon nowadays but isn't that bloody tiny?
version 0.0002
Are there any other manufacturers of MemoryStick(R)(TM)(SM)(C)(Pat.) or compatible products? I don't understand why a consumer would want Sony to lock out the competition and lock the customer into more of their proprietary products.
I don't know why Sony has so far tolerated an open market of third-party memory cards for games, but there are many such products in every game store. Maybe it expands the "PSwhatever" wall space in game stores. Maybe they spin it as a quality issue without tipping their hand too far: spend $8 on a crappy memory card or $20 on a Sony(R).
If Sony wanted open market, they'd go with a commodity card like CompactFlash. If they close the market, they'll go with a proprietary MemoryStick. It's Sony's choice as to how they'll sell their PSX or PS3, but I don't understand why the parent post supports their shift to an even less competition-friendly product line.
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Here is what I think the US machine will be like:
1. The main unit will be somewhat bigger than today's PlayStaton 2. It will use the successor to the Emotion Engine chips found on the PS2 and will have up to 512 MB of internal RAM, with 128 MB dedicated to video memory.
2. In the main unit, there will be for base units with a 120 GB hard drive, with options for up to 320 GB hard drive. They will connect to the mainboard using Serial ATA connections.
3. Also in the main unit, there will be a standard DVD recorder drive that supports the Sony/Philips DVD-RW standard, plus eventual upgrades to blue-laser optical recorder drives that can record up to 50 GB of data on a single disc.
4. The main unit will have Sony MemoryStick support for up to 2 GB MemoryStick units.
5. Finally, the main unit will sport I/O connectors for game controllers and keyboards using USB 2.0 connections, an 100-BaseT RJ-45 Ethernet connector, and IEEE-1394b connectors support connect speed twice that of today's IEEE-1394 connections. Video outputs include 480i composite video (RCA connector), S-video (S-video connector) and component video (three RCA connectors); the component video connections can be set for 480p, 720p, and 1080i output to both 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratio high-end CRT's and projection TV's. It may even sport a DVI digital connector and IEEE-1394b output selection for connections to future TV's that use digital video inputs for video.
6. Through a short IEEE-1394b connection, you can buy a TV tuner unit that support current NTSC analog and ATSC digital broadcasts through over-air, cable TV and direct-broadcast satellite connections. Imagine something like DirecTiVo, but with the ability to record two programs simultaneously; Sony will use its DirecTV and TiVo licenses for such a box.
In short, Sony will have what amounts to a true home entertainment center box in at most a stackable two-box unit, one that can be your DirecTV tuner, record DirecTV broadcasts, create your own DVD discs (and eventually home-made blue-laser optical discs), play PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and "PlayStation 3" games, and surf the Internet at broadband speeds. Sounds like a great idea, if only to reduce the amount of clutter for your home entertainment center.
... purchasing the PSX instead. That means people who own Tivo's and don't give a rat's ass about burning DVD-XXs will be able to buy the PS2 at bargain basement prices ($129...??)
Personally, I think this is excellent - it bolsters Sony's lead over Microsoft in the overall arena of technology in a box, plus it will extend the PS2's lead over Microsoft in units and games once the PS2's price falls another $70...
Time to retire ye olde PS1...
Ayup
Very creative, but utterly wrong.
It's abbreviated to PSX because the Playstation is desended from the failed Super NES CD.
Alongside the SNES add-on, Sony were going to launch their own "SNES CD" without a cart slot which would be called "Playstation X". The product name stuck right up until the launch of the 32-bit box of tricks we now know when the X was dropped.
But the apprev stuck.
Nintendo announces their next generation system's name. It's going to be called the NES.
Surely just coincidence, but the name sequence "PS2", "PSX" bears a strange resemblance to the already-existing name sequence "wm2", "wmx". I'm sure it just proves that marketing people (and others) like to use the letter "X".
"wmx", by the way, is a window manager for X11. In my opinion, it has the distinction of being the only window manager that is actually aesthetically appealing, as opposed to being merely not objectionable (like many others). But I'm a minimalist. BTW, could I be MORE off-topic?
You are right. Also, the "X" stands for "eXperiment" according to several video game publications back in the day.
With a console I don't have to go out and buy a brand new $300 video card every six months to be able to play the latest games.
You also can't play games by smaller publishers who don't have enough money to pay the up-front console license fee.
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Ever heard of USB?
Yes, the PlayStation and Xbox both have USB, but do the first-person shooters for those consoles let me use a keyboard and mouse plugged into the console? Or should shooter fans stick with a PC?
The "original" PS1 was a Japanese SNES with a CD drive.
Was that ever sold to the public? From what I read in Nintendo Power and elsewhere, Nintendo dropped out of that project before it was completed after seeing how Sega CD developers failed to explore what the CD-ROM format could do other than streaming background music and FMV.
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Sony (more specifically, Ken Kutaragi, head of SCEI) has been talking about this. They think that some people might want an all-in-one settop box, while others just want games. So they talk about releasing strictly a console version at a cheaper price as well as releasing a settop box at a full price. It doesn't sound like a good plan to me, nobody would see value in the console if it were priced too closely with the settop, and at any rate it would potentially cause a split market. Bad.
Hello? Forgetting Mobile phones and their technologies?
Americans are still using what, styrofoam cups and strings?
- Soup is really good.
Sony pretty regularly releases for Europe at about the same time or sooner than the US. If I had to guess why, I'd say it's because the distribution channel is tighter and more coordinated in Europe (greater density, a more urbanized demographic, and all that) but that's a guess.
What is worse is that some people call the PS2 the PSX2.
Probably the people who call the PlayStation 2 console the "PSX2" are the ones who had used an IBM PS/2 computer.
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Coming to US in 2005? What no upgrade to the playstation except it can be a media console. Boring.
I'd like to see upgraded Playstation3 as the new PSX not a redux of the PS2.
I think this is to push Sony's content than to undermine the entertainment industry. Remember that Sony is a big chunk of the entertainment industry.
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Rock you like a hurricane
This thing is basically a fancy PVR, one of whose features is the ability to play PS2 games (which will be considered out-of-date for most of this thing's product cycle). I think Sony would be much wiser to give it a name that makes it sound like it's a media hub with bonuses, rather than a game console with bonuses.
Here are some pictures of the PSX's main menu screen taken from a news
segment that Fuji television in Japan aired (Quiter
and ZDnet).
The images show how you will be able to navigate content stored on your
HDD, DVD, as well as content offered from online places like Sony Music.
The menu offers 3D "Jog-style" navigation. The article also has a quote from
Sony executives saying that the PSX will be the "Home Server" for it's consumers
and be a global product (with releases scheduled in the US and Europe).
Someone probably aleady posted this but...wasn't the code name for the original playstation "psx"???
Isnt PSX the general name used for PS1?
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
Is this thing fast enough to play games and record my favorite shows in the background. It would suck to not be able to play games just because you also want it to grab the daily show.
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With a DVD burner and everything right on there, this system seems like it would make a nice little Non-Linear Editting setup. If it includes FireWire (and my PS2 has FireWire, so I'd assume this thing will), they could hugely undercut the other platforms available for good quality video work - my PC based system was over $2k, a Mac is generally even more, and AVID has yet to drop bellow $50,000.
Now that would be convergence. You can bet I'd buy one.
Bushipunk
When did the word Christian become a bad word? If you want to belittle Christianity you should at least read the Gospel, and if you read just the book of John (which you could read in 15 minutes), I think you would not think of Christianity in the same light.
I read in one of the articles that I googlenewsed that Sony plans to have connectivity between this box and its handycams, among other things...
since most of its MiniDV handycams have firewire, I don't see why this PSX wouldn't have one too...
Yet, MiniDVcams also have a USB port.
I can't wait to get more details.
You will notice that my post got a score of -1, Flamebait -- I guess the moderators on slashdot didn't like what I said.
They're in a weird situation where they can't release the cool new devices for listening to music and video that other companies are, because they're percieved as encouraging piracy, and movies & videos is where Sony makes the money. Sony MP3 players suck because of the hostile DRM check-in/check-out system. Even minidisc.org peoples (a cult audience for sure) are ready to ditch MDs, frustrated by having to workaround the check-in system, and that you can't upload (when many MD users like bootlegging)
This (and more especially, the PSP) seem like an attempt to use the insanely positive perception of their Playstation to piggyback onto other formats - for instance, the PSP will be released at the same time as a media player, which plays music/video off the little discs.
By itself, the PSP shouldn't be a good format - you can't record to it, it doesn't have the information of a DVD-Audio or SACD, and by the time it comes out, smart media cards will be both smaller and hold more information. Sony's hoping people buy the PSP and its audio discs because they like that it's Sony, rather than quality of the product, and the dominant format will be a DRM one.
This new product seems like it will be one of many by the time it reaches America - except, it'll have tighter DRM, and Sony controls it. A hard drive and a DVD writer. A start-up company could release one of these next month.
Personally I don't think either scheme will work - it's more a desperate move by a company that's doing bad business, has promised in two years to do amazing business (a promise recieved skeptically by analysts), and has its hands tied by conflicting interests in its unprofitable hardware business, and its profitable software business.
I'm not a Sony expert or whatever, but I have friends who work for Sony Japan, I read minidisc.org, and one can't help but hear about them. The general positivity of this discussion is annoying. Sony is no better than the often-targetted MS, they just have better marketing.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
Notice most of those who are liberal post as Anonymous Cowards, and those who are not post under their userid...
who wants to break a $30 controller doing the olympics running game?
Ask anybody who plays Dance Dance Revolution.
DID YOU KNOW? The hardware used for arcade DDR from 1st mix through Extreme is based on the PS1 hardware. The only reason that home DDRMAX is a PS2 game is for the larger storage capacity of DVD.
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I live in the midwest too, i'm not rich or an elitest but FOX news definately doesn't have a liberal slant. BUT it has a huge conservative slant (crazy conservative) compared to any liberal slant other news stations have. I am surrounded by moderate republicans (Dublin, OH) and few liberals. All of us are usually disgusted by Fox News.
Hmmm... Pie...
So...they are selling a basic computer.... with its only output to my TV and its crap ass resolution? What a piece of trash. I can sit right up close to my 17" display and not get sore eyes...If I sat that close to my 33" TV I'd go nuts.
Who is this that even the wind and the waves obey Him? Surely this computer must submit also!
If I wanted someones opinion on the Bible I would, but I believe I have the intelligence to come to my own conclusions.
I don't need to be spoonfed what to think.
I also feel bad that you have such a harded heart that you would not let the teaching affect you.
I know it is hard to believe and have a greater power in your life to which you will are held accountable. You should at lest respect the teachings of Jesus Christ, just read it, it won't hurt you.
I can say that Sony has done just as much to me as Microsoft has. If by done stuff, you mean they've bullied or killed projects and products I dearly love, and have wasted my time with inferior versions.
This time around, though, Microsoft's doing better since the Xbox doesn't suck, while the PS2 does suck.
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I heard [Nintendo rejected CD-ROM] because you couldn't save data on CDs
Every disc-based game console from the 3DO on has had a memory card available. Even the N64 had memory cards that plugged into the back of the controller (which the Dreamcast and Xbox shamelessly copied) so that you could keep your save file from a rented copy to a purchased copy of a game.
According to Nintendo Power magazine's announcements of the N64's cartridge medium and the GameCube's disc medium, Nintendo rejected CD-ROM for the N64 console because of 1. the latency and 2. the perceived lack of non-FMV applications of the format. For instance, producer Shigeru Miyamoto hated to sit in front of "now loading" screens.
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Domo-kun (BS mascot) on the PSX: :D
"YARRRR"
Al-Jazeera is owned and operated by the government of Qatar, not R. Murdock. And the BBC doesn't have propaganda, you say? I've watched BBC America and listened to BBC Radio and its the biggest bunch of left wing, liberal, horseshit propaganda that I've ever heard or seen.
All this new stuff on the PSX, and yet it remains the only console on the market without 4 controller ports built in.
5. Profit!!!!!!!
This is nothing but an elaborate scheme by Sony meant to force me to refer to the old PlayStation as "PSOne."
Anything you might ever need to say about anything has already been said better by Penny Arcade.
You are speculating wildly. Indulging in this kind of hypotehetical masturbation is pointless.
Kind of like GamePro, EGM, and Die Hard GameFan back in the 16-bit days, no? Like all those bullshit rumors and overanxious zitfaced teenagers talking out of their asses, you and your imaginitavely-spec'd dream system will likely look extremely foolish when the actual machine is released a nigh year or two from now. You are a perfect example of why Sony's "Promise the sun, deliver the moon" vaporware marketing machine works so well on us stupid Westerners.
Meanwhile, everybody reading this article seems to have forgotten that the PS2 is the current technological anchor of this console generation, already far surpassed by its competitors.
I could see a Bill & Ted knockoff commercial as being funny. Have two slacker guys who want to become game programmers that are sent back through time with their PS2 to see what important historical figures think of Grand Theft Auto. Most bodacious. Excellent dude. Party on with Playstation!
:)
Actually, I feel the plot for a stupid but funny movie building in my mind. We really need a movie about some script-kiddies that go on to save the world by phreaking the payphones of time.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I didn't see anywhere in the articles whether it was backwardly compatible with the existing machines. I'd hazard a guess that the PSX will be able to play PS1 and PS2 games, a feature that makes the machine even sexier again.
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
The PSX aka, a giant F - YOU to the MPAA and RIAA for bringing successfully bringing down the cd burner market .00000000000000000000000000001%
If not, I'll dedictate my life to get a job where I could get in the position to bring a psx to one of their press confrences and play Postal 2 in the backround.
...than a ploy to get the Sony Memory Stick back into the mainstream as a standard digital media type.
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In case anyone is interested, here's what looks to be the chassis breakdown for this unit.
On the front:
In the top left corner there are 2 buttons for Power and Ejecting the DVD drive.
In the top right is a button that says "GAME RESET" and two LEDs (yellow and red) that I suspect are "Recording" and "New Content" indicators (this follows conventions on other PVRs).
Not sure exactly, but the bottom third of the front (the part with all the logos printed on it) appears to flip down. This is probably where the USB 2.0 ports and MemoryStick slot(s) are concealed. There may also be slots for standard memory cards.
On the back:
Power in
iLink/optical SPDIF out
VGA out
Composite video in
Audio in (Left/Right RCA jacks)
S-Video in
Composite video out
Audio out (Left/Right RCA jacks)
S-Video out
R/F in
R/F out
2 standard Playstation controller ports (that's what they appear to be, but it seems odd that Sony is putting the ports on the back)
On the back top there appears to be a strip of clear plastic that contains a blue "power" LED and copies of the yellow/red LEDs. These are display indicators for when the PSX is placed vertically.
Interestingly, if you look at the unit it's designed to stand on it's BACK end, where all the ports are connected.
I guesstimate the dimensions (Height, Width, Depth) are approximately 12.5in x 3.5in x 15in.
So far, that's about all I can glean from the photos. Keep in mind that Sony has had experience with PVRs before, building Tivo units.
Aah , those damn lucky Japanese! I wish mine had a Bullshit Tuner.
It wont play mp3s!! err no, sony music wont allow it.
Or AAC, or WMA, or OOG, or DIVX, or VCD/SVCD.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
we need to be more specific here, people. when you say "Sony pretty regularly releases . . . . ." which segment of sony do you mean? the ps2, for instance, is a Sony Computer Entertainment product. BUT, this new psx is NOT from SCE, but rather from Sony's regular consumer products division.
In my memory, I can't remember SCE releasing things in any order other than 1. Japan/Asia 2. US 3. Europe 4. Everywhere else.
Were you talking about the consumer products division?
Where do you plug in the contollers?
Are those the controller ports on the BACK of the unit? if so where do the memory cards go?
Yes I know it's got a HDD, but you still need memory card ports so you can play your old saved games, or so your friends can bring over their saved games to play.
Obviously the burner's capabilities will be horribly curtailed by inane protection like that analog signal crap...I am sure there will be issues with a whole lotta stuff...recording a program from TV for example may in fact end up not being possible all the time.....because this area is sooo gray, I would rather have separate units, thank u very much...