"we have designed special chambers where we can simulate the Martian environment. They are, of course, called "Mars jars." With earthly organisms, mainly bacteria, in the jars, we have reproduced the daily temperature variations, the low atmospheric pressure, the composition of the Martian air, and the ultraviolet radiation.
Earth Life Survives Martian Conditions
Most of the organisms quickly die. But in every sample of terrestrial soil we have found varieties of micro-organisms that survive the Martian conditions, some indefinitely. They find the lack of oxygen and the temperature extremes to their liking. They find perfect safety, under small particles of soil, from the deadly ultraviolet light. When the subsurface water content increases slightly, they thrive in the seemingly hostile environment"
Carl Sagan
Mars Jars experiments over the past 30 years have shown that Earth Microbes CAN survive in a Martian enviroment, so don't even try to pretend that it can't happen.
It's a lot easier not to contaminate it in the first place. On a windy Planet like Mars once Earth Bacteria are introduced on the first mission the every site will be contaminated by the second mission.
I'm not trying to set up a series of hoops to jump through that will make it impossible to stage a manned mission, I just don't want to screw up important research that needs to be done before the first man lands.
That's it in a nutshell. I'm not operating from some misplaced Eco-Mysticism, I just think it's sloppy Science to risk contaminating the Planet before we check it for life, or if Martian Life exists to contaminate it before we get a chance to study it. Once the rebots acertain that there is little likelyhood of life or complete a research program if there is life it's time to send in the Humans.
If we start a Robotic search for life now we have a good chance of knowing if there is a low likelyhood of Martin Life before we are even ready to land the first Manned Mission.
Some of the oldest experments about Life on Mars involve introducing Earth Bacteria into "Mars Jars" that simulate a Martian enviroment. Some Earth Bacteria do surrive in a simulated Martian enviroment.
The risk of contamination is far lower with unmanned probes than it is with manned probes. They can surrive procedures that would kill astronauts in addition to bacteria.
The Origin of life is one of the most important questions facing Science. We have made some good gusses about it, but we are handicapped by only having life from one planet to study. Finding Independantly evolved life would shed light on the questions of how common life is in the Cosmos and how it started. That is far more important than any information that can be gained by having Humans on the Surface of Mars.
We need probes designed to answer that fundemental question, does life presently exist on Mars before we land Humans there. If we find that there is little likelyhood of Martian Life then it's time for Human Exploration. If we finf that there is life on Mars it needs to be carefully studided before we contaminate the planet with the Bacteria that a manned mission would introduce.
No Manned Missions should be sent to Mars until we are reasoably certain that no life presently exists on the Red Planet.
Fossils can wait. We don't need to contaminate Mars with the Earth Bacteria that a manned mission would introduce until we are sure there is a very low probility of finding living independantly evolved life.
If Life is found on Mars then there should be a total ban on Manned Missions to the red planet. There is no way that we can send a manned mission without contaminating Mars with Earth's bacteria. The Value of finding Independantly evolved life excedes anything that could be gained from Manned Exploration, and it would need to be studied without contamination before we should even consider sending the first humans.
I Was 20 when the first film came out so I had about the viewpoint as many posters have for the newer films. The Originals were campy space Operas that had every gimik from 1930s and 1940s Serials and B Movies redone done with what was state of the art effects at the time. They made for a fun night of escapist entertainment, but were never anything near good Sci-Fi. The biggest fault of the prequeals is they try take themselves too damn serious and fail at it instead of being the fun campy space flicks the older movies were.
The Piracy of Windows hurts Linux more than Microsoft because most of the piracy occurs in areas where the majority of the people can't afford the high cost of a Windows OS. If it were impossible to pirate a copy of MS Windows, then most of these people would be using more affordable Linux distros, rather than buying Windows and Windows software.
"wondering why all of the Democratic voters at the local nursing home registered absentee, but none of them voted. And 100% of the Republicans did."
If you check the returns for Philadelphia and Chicago you will find that the cities return overwhealming Democratic Vote totals, often by margins high enough to move the state from the GOP to the Dems in an election (as was the case in the 2000 presidental elections). It isn't the Republicans who are causing 70 and 80 percent of the city's votes to go to Dems.
No the people who created the machines the workers use are the primary creators of the wealth. The People who invested the funds needed to create the machines, and to link them togather in a production system are the secondary creators of the wealth. The Workers simply operate machines they are incapable of creating or financing.
" Funding for welfare, etc., isn't designed to wipe out poverty. You can't wipe out poverty. It's designed to mitigate the damage caused by poverty, to wit, lawlessness, public health (poverty makes life dangerous for everybody) and human suffering (and it's no fun)."
No, it's designed to purchase some people's votes with other people's money. The art of governmet consists of taking money from those who aren't going to vote for you anyway, and using those fund to purchase votes.
They may not know the details of construction, but they do know that that unibody car just dosen't feel solid when they drive it, they know that that front wheel drive just dosen't have the feel they want when they make a turn. They don't like the feel of the modern cars, so they purchase a vehicle they do like. A SUV.
The People buying Trucks don't want a unibody wrong wheel drive Toyota or a unibody wrong wheel drive Dodge. They want a rear wheel drive vehicle with a solid frame under it and an engine that can get out of it's own way. Regs pretty much killed off cars like they want so they are buying SUVs and Trucks.
"Where I live, half the cars on the road are SUVs, and many people use them for nothing more than driving a few miles to work and dropping their kid off at school!"
When did those SUVs become popular? Right about the time that government regulations resulted in most cars becomming flimsy underpowerd wrong wheel drive rattle traps. Over regulation of cars is what boosted the market for the lesser regulated trucks, which includes the "evi" SUVs.
Did anyone expect MS to come out with a campaign that stated "Linux is better than Windows"?
It's advertising! Ford Ads claim Ford has the best Cars. Coca-Cola ads claim Coca-Cola has the best soft drink. Linux Company Ads claim Linux is the best OS. If you beleave ANY Ads without checking them out you deserve to get taken.
It also gives the SCO licensees motivation to look for another solution to their software needs. They just want to run their business and don't give a damn what software they run them on, and they aren't going to be happy about getting a threatening letter from SCO.
Sending letters like this to it's customers shows that SCO has no long term plans beyond the lawsuit.
" I can say that I'm not worried about SCO. Think about it like this. If Linux becomes "illegal" it will be illegal just like all the warez and pr0n on kazaa. And God knows that nobody makes or downloads those."
In the very unlikely event that Linux became illegal it would also become another Amiga OS, niche software that some people played with, but which had no future outside of a hobbist market.
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"we have designed special chambers where we can simulate the Martian environment. They are, of course, called "Mars jars." With earthly organisms, mainly bacteria, in the jars, we have reproduced the daily temperature variations, the low atmospheric pressure, the composition of the Martian air, and the ultraviolet radiation.
Earth Life Survives Martian Conditions
Most of the organisms quickly die. But in every sample of terrestrial soil we have found varieties of micro-organisms that survive the Martian conditions, some indefinitely. They find the lack of oxygen and the temperature extremes to their liking. They find perfect safety, under small particles of soil, from the deadly ultraviolet light. When the subsurface water content increases slightly, they thrive in the seemingly hostile environment"
Carl Sagan
Mars Jars experiments over the past 30 years have shown that Earth Microbes CAN survive in a Martian enviroment, so don't even try to pretend that it can't happen.
It's a lot easier not to contaminate it in the first place. On a windy Planet like Mars once Earth Bacteria are introduced on the first mission the every site will be contaminated by the second mission.
I'm not trying to set up a series of hoops to jump through that will make it impossible to stage a manned mission, I just don't want to screw up important research that needs to be done before the first man lands.
That's it in a nutshell. I'm not operating from some misplaced Eco-Mysticism, I just think it's sloppy Science to risk contaminating the Planet before we check it for life, or if Martian Life exists to contaminate it before we get a chance to study it. Once the rebots acertain that there is little likelyhood of life or complete a research program if there is life it's time to send in the Humans.
If we start a Robotic search for life now we have a good chance of knowing if there is a low likelyhood of Martin Life before we are even ready to land the first Manned Mission.
Some of the oldest experments about Life on Mars involve introducing Earth Bacteria into "Mars Jars" that simulate a Martian enviroment. Some Earth Bacteria do surrive in a simulated Martian enviroment.
The risk of contamination is far lower with unmanned probes than it is with manned probes. They can surrive procedures that would kill astronauts in addition to bacteria.
No, But if there is independantly evolved life on Mars I want it carefully studided before we screw up the samples by introducing Earth Bacteria.
The Origin of life is one of the most important questions facing Science. We have made some good gusses about it, but we are handicapped by only having life from one planet to study. Finding Independantly evolved life would shed light on the questions of how common life is in the Cosmos and how it started. That is far more important than any information that can be gained by having Humans on the Surface of Mars.
We need probes designed to answer that fundemental question, does life presently exist on Mars before we land Humans there. If we find that there is little likelyhood of Martian Life then it's time for Human Exploration. If we finf that there is life on Mars it needs to be carefully studided before we contaminate the planet with the Bacteria that a manned mission would introduce.
No Manned Missions should be sent to Mars until we are reasoably certain that no life presently exists on the Red Planet.
Fossils can wait. We don't need to contaminate Mars with the Earth Bacteria that a manned mission would introduce until we are sure there is a very low probility of finding living independantly evolved life.
If Life is found on Mars then there should be a total ban on Manned Missions to the red planet. There is no way that we can send a manned mission without contaminating Mars with Earth's bacteria. The Value of finding Independantly evolved life excedes anything that could be gained from Manned Exploration, and it would need to be studied without contamination before we should even consider sending the first humans.
Oh Please!
I Was 20 when the first film came out so I had about the viewpoint as many posters have for the newer films. The Originals were campy space Operas that had every gimik from 1930s and 1940s Serials and B Movies redone done with what was state of the art effects at the time. They made for a fun night of escapist entertainment, but were never anything near good Sci-Fi. The biggest fault of the prequeals is they try take themselves too damn serious and fail at it instead of being the fun campy space flicks the older movies were.
The Piracy of Windows hurts Linux more than Microsoft because most of the piracy occurs in areas where the majority of the people can't afford the high cost of a Windows OS. If it were impossible to pirate a copy of MS Windows, then most of these people would be using more affordable Linux distros, rather than buying Windows and Windows software.
Damn it, they don't work!!
I Was looking forward to buying Mega Doses of Penis Enlarger treatments for Darl's Cellmate when he lands in the pound-me-in-the-ass prison!
"wondering why all of the Democratic voters at the local nursing home registered absentee, but none of them voted. And 100% of the Republicans did."
If you check the returns for Philadelphia and Chicago you will find that the cities return overwhealming Democratic Vote totals, often by margins high enough to move the state from the GOP to the Dems in an election (as was the case in the 2000 presidental elections). It isn't the Republicans who are causing 70 and 80 percent of the city's votes to go to Dems.
No the people who created the machines the workers use are the primary creators of the wealth. The People who invested the funds needed to create the machines, and to link them togather in a production system are the secondary creators of the wealth. The Workers simply operate machines they are incapable of creating or financing.
"Fair and equitable distribution of wealth is a noble goal"
True, but the only Fair and equitable distribution of wealth is allowing those who created the wealth to retain it. It's called Capitalism.
" Funding for welfare, etc., isn't designed to wipe out poverty. You can't wipe out poverty. It's designed to mitigate the damage caused by poverty, to wit, lawlessness, public health (poverty makes life dangerous for everybody) and human suffering (and it's no fun)."
No, it's designed to purchase some people's votes with other people's money. The art of governmet consists of taking money from those who aren't going to vote for you anyway, and using those fund to purchase votes.
They may not know the details of construction, but they do know that that unibody car just dosen't feel solid when they drive it, they know that that front wheel drive just dosen't have the feel they want when they make a turn. They don't like the feel of the modern cars, so they purchase a vehicle they do like. A SUV.
The People buying Trucks don't want a unibody wrong wheel drive Toyota or a unibody wrong wheel drive Dodge. They want a rear wheel drive vehicle with a solid frame under it and an engine that can get out of it's own way. Regs pretty much killed off cars like they want so they are buying SUVs and Trucks.
"Where I live, half the cars on the road are SUVs, and many people use them for nothing more than driving a few miles to work and dropping their kid off at school!"
When did those SUVs become popular? Right about the time that government regulations resulted in most cars becomming flimsy underpowerd wrong wheel drive rattle traps. Over regulation of cars is what boosted the market for the lesser regulated trucks, which includes the "evi" SUVs.
Investors look for long term growth. Speculators look for short term profits. Betting on SCO is the later.
"Investors aren't often all that smart and a bit of media buzz is often enough to make them invest."
Investors don't buy stock in companies like SCO. Speculators do. SCO stock isn't an investment, it's a wager.
Did anyone expect MS to come out with a campaign that stated "Linux is better than Windows"?
It's advertising! Ford Ads claim Ford has the best Cars. Coca-Cola ads claim Coca-Cola has the best soft drink. Linux Company Ads claim Linux is the best OS. If you beleave ANY Ads without checking them out you deserve to get taken.
Caveat Emptor
let the buyer beware
It also gives the SCO licensees motivation to look for another solution to their software needs. They just want to run their business and don't give a damn what software they run them on, and they aren't going to be happy about getting a threatening letter from SCO.
Sending letters like this to it's customers shows that SCO has no long term plans beyond the lawsuit.
Americans don't refer to the French as "coward monkeys", the Simpsons derived phrase is "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys".
" I can say that I'm not worried about SCO. Think about it like this. If Linux becomes "illegal" it will be illegal just like all the warez and pr0n on kazaa. And God knows that nobody makes or downloads those."
In the very unlikely event that Linux became illegal it would also become another Amiga OS, niche software that some people played with, but which had no future outside of a hobbist market.