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Cringely's 2004 Predictions

somethinghollow writes "Cringely's 2004 Predictions are out, and he makes a very interesting claim concerning Linux: 'The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.' With a claimed 70% successful prediction rate, you at least have to listen..."

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  1. My prediction: Mac zealots more annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
    Mac Zealot Translator-o-matic

    Apple have come up with some innovative products, but their market share remains tiny. Sadly, though, many buyers have been mislead by the marketing and eye-candy, and desperately try to justify their overpriced purchases to themselves on forums around the Net. Let's see what they really mean...

    "MacOS X is everything Linux wants to be."
    "Despite the fact that Linux is just code and can't WANT to be anything, I truly believe that it'd love to be a single-vendor, single-platform, sluggish half-proprietary OS with dwindling market share. Linux would love to throw away its impressively growing corporate takeup for that."

    "Apple hardware is for real computer lovers."
    "It's no hassle to use a plethora of keyboard combos to make up for the patronising one-button mouse. Despite the fact that my hands have FIVE fingers, and multiple-buttons make Web browsing so much more pleasant, I prefer my computer to be treat me like a special-needs child."

    "Aqua makes me so much more productive!"
    "My non-techie friends drool over the transparency and scaling effects, even though UI research has shown that they add practically nothing to getting real work done. It feels like KDE 2 on a Pentium 200, and I can't change to a light and fast WM, but those drop-shadows must make me work so quickly!"

    "OSX shows that Apple is committed to open source."
    "OpenDarwin.org and its community of about 27 is surely not just a token gesture by Apple. Pretty much nobody uses pure Darwin, and all the crucial components of the system are closed and require me to spend money just to get major OS updates, but they're really helping the community somehow."

    "You get what you pay for with Apple hardware."
    "My iBook was made by in Taiwan by AlphaTop and has design and build quality flaws (needing foam sheets jammed in to stop the common problem of the keyboard scratching the screen). But it's silvery and cost far more than an x86 laptop of better spec, so it must be much higher quality!"

    "...blah blah MHz myth blah..."
    "Although there's truth in PPC being more elegant than x86, it's crushing that the top-of-the-range 1.5 GHz chip is slaughtered by the equivalent 3 GHz Pentium 4. However, Steve Jobs showed some vague Photoshop filter benchmarks at the last MacWorld, so being a leprotard, I'm convinced."

  2. As a member of the Linux community... by jrockway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can say that I'm not worried about SCO. Think about it like this. If Linux becomes "illegal" it will be illegal just like all the warez and pr0n on kazaa. And God knows that nobody makes or downloads those.

    In other words, nothing will change because nothing CAN change. As long as people want to work on Linux, they will. The Internet and the minds of its members are not property of SCO. So too bad for them.

    --
    My other car is first.
    1. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by mcbridematt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And of course, who says that it won't continue to still be legal outside the U.S....

      If SCO was to launch world wide lawsuits in the unlikely case that it wins, it would be decimated by the time it finishes.

      Oh my.. what did they do to our precious Caldera?

    2. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by miu · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In other words, nothing will change because nothing CAN change.

      I agree that making Linux "illegal" would not stop people from using it. It would put an end to: comercial software, many supported and semi-supported porting efforts, corporate desktops, embedded devices, hosting companies offering Linux, etc.

      I'd say a lot can change.

      --

      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    3. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by phatsharpie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, if Linux becomes illegal, and is in the same league as warez, mp3s, and pr0n on Kazaa, it would bode very ill for the future of Linux. Where Linux has been making tremendous headway is in the corporate server space. If it becomes illegal, it would no longer be deployed in this niche. In other words, the only market segment that Linux is gaining legitimacy.

      Sure, this is Slashdot and many people run Linux here, but the vast majority of people in the real world do not run Linux, and there is still a fair ways to go before people do, and if the OS becomes illegal in the mean time, the game is pretty much over.

      -B

    4. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by svanstrom · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In other words, nothing will change because nothing CAN change. As long as people want to work on Linux, they will. The Internet and the minds of its members are not property of SCO. So too bad for them.


      The "movement" will slow down, become more "underground", and some of the people will aim their work at other OSes rather than have to deal with a potentially nightmare(ish) legal process.

      The ones already making a lot of money out of the use of linux (routers, basestations, pvrs etc) will pay for a license, and then it's business as usual.

      A few people will start working on something that is open, free and capable of replacing Linux; the process will be slow, and initially there will be a lot of politics stoping any real work from getting done.

      At a time when M$ has started losing ground simply based on "momentum" a serious problem with Linux will be a HUGE problem for the free/open source-community; and the only company that will truly benefit from it is M$.

      Open source as an option for businesses/governments could be set back anywhere from 3-10 years.

      Things CAN change, things CAN get a lot worse than it is today...
      --
      perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'
    5. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'd like your permission to include a link to this post in my exciting new article: "old school trolling".

      This is probably the most subtle and effective troll I've seen on /. in quite some time.

    6. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Rumagent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find it highly unlikely that Linux will ever become warez. Should SCO claims carry any merrit, the code in question would be removed instantly - which is exactly what SCO doesn't want. They want to be able to milk every linux user from now until hell freezes over.

      It isn't going to happen of course. Linux is nothing without it's community, and who would contribute anything to SCO?

    7. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It would still only be illegal inside USA if it came to that, so I don't the rest of the world would notice much change.

      And at the moment, it seems that Linux has the fastest growth outside USA.

    8. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "illegal in the U.S.", don't you? It will be perfectly legal in the rest of the world, despite what SCO may say.

      Atun

    9. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If linux becomes illegal, all corporate support will be dropped. On top of that, programmers who contribute to Linux will likely be charged and sent to jail (since I predict that USA will switch to totalitarianism with a few more terrorist attacks, it wouldn't surprise me if software developers end up in jail (BTW, not trying to scare anyone but Usama bin Laden says that there will be some major attack against USA before February (not sure if this is in USA or somewhere else) and he says he will likely die in the next major operation)). It will become a risky proposition for developers to contribute to it (although other open-source software will still be released; remember that linux is just the kernel). This will definitely be a blow to linux.

      The reason warez survives (BTW porn is not illegal in many places) is because it is driven by an underground system. The vast majority of people who download warez have no idea how it works. The ripped & cracked stuff that you download (if you engage in these activities) are not released by some no-name dude at home. MP3s may be an exception since pretty much anyone has access to the music as soon as it is released and they can rip them without any difficulty. But software is not the same case. Most people can't crack the software by themselves. Simply copying the CD does not work in many cases. You need to write a loader or a crack that bypasses the copy protection system (especially for games). Only talented people can do this (which excludes the majority--even if you are a software developer).

      The warez is released by well organized groups that are fully underground. Even when the police busts these operations they hardly ever get the people involved. They only get some distributors or something. The underground pirate networks are very sophisticated and very organic. This essentially means that warez will exist forever (until software becomes obsolete--not for another few hundread years IMO :) ).

      So, even if people contribute to an illegal linux operating system, it will be nothing like warez. Warez is mostly anonymous but people contributing to linux likely won't be. It should be easy for the authorities to trace the contributors. Already governments are all over software that tried to anonymize communications--linux will be even worse.

      You say that "The Internet and the minds of its members are not property of SCO" but you are wrong. Linux WILL BE the property of SCO. It doesn't matter what people do. You may easily DISTRIBUTE linux BUT it will be next impossible to CONTRIBUTE source code without ending up in jail. So you might download the present version of linux well into the future, but hardly anyone will contribute anything new to it. Don't forget that the SPA (Software Publisher's Association) is much more powerful than the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America). People on slashdot don't realize this...

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

      --
      Sivaram Velauthapillai
      Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places ;)
    10. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by miu · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It would still only be illegal inside USA if it came to that, so I don't the rest of the world would notice much change.

      Patent and copyright recognition are the big demands the US and WTO make of countries that want to join the globalization oligarchy. I think it fairly likely that a change in the legal status of Linux in the US would have effects throughout the world.

      --

      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    11. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, bad for USA... Linux stronghold may move to other contires...
      As u see many countries want to have their own IT..not dominated by one outside company ..
      So if something like this happen it will have most negative impact on USA and little but not so big on other countries.. 'cause the IT expenses will grow.

      so if they are stupid enought...:")

    12. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by B'Trey · · Score: 1

      Who moderated this +1 insightful? How about -1 clueless?

      Do you have any idea how much money IBM, Red Hat and other commercial companies have poured into Linux development? Exactly what do you think is going to replace that? If SCO were to win and Linux became illegal, Linux wouldn't dry up and blow away. But development would slow to a crawl, commercial support would wither and we'd sit back and watch the rest of the world leave us in the dust.

      --

      "The legitimate powers of government extend only to such acts as are injurious to others." Thomas Jefferson.

    13. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      First of all, as far as I remember, there are no patent violations in the case with SCO.

      But besides from that...

      Offcourse it would have affect, it linux was declared illegal in the US, but most, if not all (haven't checked up on it) of the western world, plus a lot more, already recognizes patent and copyright, but it still doesn't mean that what any victory for SCO was based on would be legal in the other countries.

      Just because an american judge might declare something illegal in the US, does not in any way make it illegal in other countries, EVEN if they recognize patent and copyright.

    14. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Genrou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think there is even another point to what you say: if Linux becomes somehow 'illegal', people will shift to other free OSs. There is a lot of them being developed. That might be the end of Linux (I'm not even close to believe it), but it won't ever be the end of Free Soft or Open Source.

    15. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel truly sorry for you. Were you abused by your parents, circumstance, or do you just like spouting off like an angry child?

      Want to prove me wrong? Grow up, learn something, join in - the world is waiting.

    16. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by bit01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Get real. SCO did not write almost all the code in Linux, it does not own almost all the code in Linux, it cannot control almost all the code in Linux. Whatever files are found that are SCO's, if any, will be replaced virtually instantly and it will be business as usual.

      To say Linux will "become illegal" is childish and silly. Just as likely, illegal software will be found in M$Windows and M$ will have to stop shipping. Fat chance.

      ---

      It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
      It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.

      Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

    17. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by miu · · Score: 4, Informative
      First of all, as far as I remember, there are no patent violations in the case with SCO.

      Point taken, but we are speaking of a hypothetical case in which Linux is declared "illegal". SCO's complaint against IBM and press releases contain all sorts of allegations about their IP being included in Linux without their consent. If a judge were to find in SCO's favor in the IBM case it could lend weight to SCO's claims that they own the "intellectual property" behind every modern OS.

      Just because an american judge might declare something illegal in the US, does not in any way make it illegal in other countries, EVEN if they recognize patent and copyright.

      The Berne Convention does require other countries to recognize copyright of other nations that have signed the covenant. The Patent Law Treaty will sow up the same sort of thing for patents.

      --

      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    18. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm not saying I want to see terrorist attacks. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. I'm just saying that is what is going to happen. Do you really think the present US policy is going to prevent terrorism? If anything, they are creating even more in places like Iraq! The US "war" on terrorism is as bogus as the "war" on drugs. In fact they are almost identical and prone to complete failure. Bush might say that he is moving the frontlines on the "war" on terrorism to Iraq but the fact of the matter is, Al-Qaida is nowhere near Iraq. If anything, they are planning the next attack...

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

      --
      Sivaram Velauthapillai
      Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places ;)
    19. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by akozakie · · Score: 1

      "A few people will start working on something that is open, free and capable of replacing Linux"?

      Start? Excuse me - *BSD anyone?

      Besides, Linux can be replaced without changing the whole system. That would take a while (although it already "works", see Hurd), so I think the cute Daemon would be the answer.

      The problem is Linux in embedded devices - hard to replace, but it makes money, so as svanstrom said - pay, and it's business as usual.

    20. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

      Get real. SCO did not write almost all the code in Linux, it does not own almost all the code in Linux, it cannot control almost all the code in Linux. Whatever files are found that are SCO's, if any, will be replaced virtually instantly and it will be business as usual.

      If you go with the SCO claim, they claim ownership of a whole hoard of header files and other key source files. Besides, SCO is saying that they own all derivatives of UNIX. And apparently linux is a derivative of UNIX. If you go with that view, SCO owns linux if they actually win the case. SCO is also claiming that the GPL is illegal or invalid or something like that. So anything to do with GPL is invalid too.

      To say Linux will "become illegal" is childish and silly. Just as likely, illegal software will be found in M$Windows and M$ will have to stop shipping. Fat chance.

      I am not saying linux will become illegal. I was just responding to the hypothetical case where linux IS illegal... As far as MS and others are concerned, SCO might not find any infringing source code (since they are closed source), or MS might just pay them off.

      --OFF TOPIC--

      It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work. It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.

      So what's the solution?

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

      --
      Sivaram Velauthapillai
      Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places ;)
    21. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think it fairly likely that a change in the legal status of Linux in the US would have effects throughout the world.
      Exactly the same effect the US encryption laws had on the rest of the world - all the encryption jobs moved overseas.
    22. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      Bah, if SCO wins -- and I am sooo worried about that! :/ -- they will be counter-sued into oblivion. It's already happening to some extent.

      Any attempts to stifle Linux that causes corporations pain would be like dealing with the alcoholic drink manufacturers...you could only go so far before repeal (in the form of a successful counter suit).

      Linux is too necessary now to be substantially dammaged; it is like a tribe of 600lb gorrillas going through weight training and protien packs. Groups of 800lb gorrillas is an eventual result. Besides, they are so cute when they are young (2003 'photo' of the next generation).

      --
      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    23. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by whovian · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that there is a good deal of academic scientific research funded and performed under the open source software model. In research I've seen all the modern OSes (linux, Win*OS, OS X) in use, but in my area linux dominates, followed by a distant Win*OS.

      --
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    24. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 5, Insightful

      """
      A few people will start working on something that is open, free and capable of replacing Linux"?

      Start? Excuse me - *BSD anyone?
      """

      There's a more obvious answer - just rewrite the bits that are IP violating. Believe it or not there are loads of linux hackers who could probably rewrite the contentious bits in a matter of days.
      When that happens, Linux suddenly becomes legal again. You can't taint new linux with the (alleged) faults of old linux. Then again, I beleive the SCO suit has no teeth anyway.

      I think Cringely is just going for the attention, and we've given it too him. Look at the prediction "it will either get bigger or smaller". What kind of prediction is that?
      Here's one:
      Akozakie - this coming year you will either drink more or less caffeinated drinks than this past year.

      What are the chances that prediction is correct?

      Here's another one:
      This coming year at least one bear will shit in the woods.

      Cringely, attention seeking media whore, who'd a thunk it.

      YAW

      --
      Your head of state is a corrupt weasel, I hope you're happy.
    25. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by arpad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A useful observation and one that highlights a powerful constituency, corporate IT, that would suffer if they had to convert away from Linux.

      With constant pressure on IT departments to reduce costs the built-in advantage of an operating system that doesn't have a price tag attached is inherently tough to resist. Oh sure, there's life-cycle costs to consider but hard experience in that area will win out over Microsoft-inspired "studies".

      Besides, as someone else pointed out, if Linux becomes illegal it'll only be illegal in the U.S. China, India and a slew of other countries have embraced Linux not because of the price tag but because having access to the source code is a good way to make sure the NSA or CIA (or the AFL or CIO) hasn't put in a back door.

    26. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Cringely doesn't claim that Linux is going to become "illegal". He doesn't think the SCO case has any merit.

      However, he does seem to think (like many economists) that not showing huge growth equals dead.

      Despite the trolls claiming otherwise, BSD is not dead or dying, even though (counting the major open source variants) it's smaller than Linux and growing slower.

      If Linux (or any of the *BSDs) ever starts to actually show signs of dying (i.e. hugely decreased popularity), it'll almost certainly be because some alternative has become significantly more attractive. I think that if this happens, the alternative is extremely likely to be another open source system, so that really probably wouldn't be a bad thing.

    27. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many good points made in this thread, however the one that you all seem to be missing is that the collective agreement of all the sane people here is that SCO's allegations are completely baseless and will fade away as soon as the stock takes a hit because of it. The illegality of linux would be a major blow to the OSS movement and while it would recover it would take time. Linux is not, however, illegal and we all know it. SCO are simply not going to win here.

    28. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's (a lot (of (parentheses (you're using (there)))))!

    29. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by gantrep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, wha? The issue is not the legality of an entire operating system but rather localized sections of code in that operating system. In the worst case scenario, if it's found that this code is honest-to-god infringing, responsible community members will rewrite the areas that need to be rewritten, not that it will go underground and die or some such tripe.

    30. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by miu · · Score: 2, Informative
      Exactly the same effect the US encryption laws had on the rest of the world - all the encryption jobs moved overseas.

      That was a bit different. There were two seperate problems with crypto in the US - patents on fundamental techniques given to RSA and export controls that were never updated to reflect the advances in the state of the art.

      The export controls did exactly what you stated: drove crypto jobs out of the US. The problem of patents on fundamental techniques will soon be addressed by The Patent Law Treaty.

      Do a google search or check the WIPO page for a view of what the future holds concerning US IP laws applying to the rest of the world.

      --

      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    31. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      To say Linux will "become illegal" is childish and silly. Just as likely, illegal software will be found in M$Windows and M$ will have to stop shipping. Fat chance.

      Obviously when the offending code is known publically it will be replaced, that is not really the problem.

      The worst case scenaerio is that SCO manange to score retrospective compensation against any commercial organisation that has made use of linux during the last decade. Once companies have finished shelling out for this they are going to take a long hard look at their IT systems and think "what if this happened again ?, what if linux is found to be infringing someone elses IP ?, could we afford to shell out again ?".

      Then they will look around for software developers who can guarantee their code is their own and that there will be no nasty surprises down the line. Whats that in the distance ?, is it Microsoft dressed up as a knight in shining armour ?.

      Cue Bill Gates laughing manically as his plan for world domination advances another step.

      Linux isn't at stake here, we can always program another OS from scratch if need be. Whats at stake is the reputation of OSS, GNU, GPL, etc. If that reputation isn't salvaged then linux will dissapear into the underground, some may still use it in their homes but for all commercial intents and purposes it will be dead.

    32. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Do a google search or check the WIPO page for a view of what the future holds concerning US IP laws applying to the rest of the world.
      The future holds bad news unless the US cleans up the way it's legal system on IP issues - some US patents are just problems looking for solutions, and not a description of how to do anything. Stupidity like some company saying they would go after the stage magician David Copperfield after they had patented a back projection system shows the contempt for the whole idea of IP - proir art is just a loophole to get around.
    33. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by bit01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you go with the SCO claim, they claim ownership of a whole hoard of header files and other key source files.

      Software is soft. Nothing is so key that it cannot be replaced. Linux is the unix standard now (there are now more linux users than all other unix users put together) and at worst some standards may need to change. That might not even be a bad thing.

      Besides, SCO is saying that they own all derivatives of UNIX.

      Code ownership is viral? That's a new one on me!

      Linux is a clone, not a derivative, of the original Unix. This has been well documented. Since [almost] all the Linux code was not written by SCO for them to claim anything at all about this code is spurious. They might have some patent claims but those can be worked around.

      Remember, you can sue anybody for anything, but winning is another matter entirely. As has been previously discussed SCO is probably just running interference for M$.

      It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work. It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.

      So what's the solution?

      In the near term shorten copyright and patent terms, actually enforce the innovation condition on patents and force the patent office to deal with the fact that is impossible for a small government office to rationally evaluate all human knowledge.

      In the medium term have much more sophisticated ideas and laws about what it means to own intellectual property. I cringe at how simplistic current law is on ownership of IP. Amongst many other problems it has no recognition of the intangible inputs that go into IP (eg. a stable, supportive society), no recognition of the identical effort but differing rewards small and large organisations get for writing and selling IP (by many orders of magnitude eg. $70M to Arnie for a movie, $10K to another actor for identical effort and almost identical result on a similar movie), no recognition of the economic network effect (it has value and should be taxed), no recognition of partial ownership (IP is not discrete, whatever lawers might think) and no recognition that ideas "whose time has come" lead to simultaneous or new but un-innovative invention.

      At a minimum patents should be splittable amongst multiple near simultaneous inventors, there should be a cap on how many copies of a piece of IP can be sold before it returns to the public domain, court cases should not only be win or lose but explicitly proportional (eg. he wrote 70% of the software but she added 30% of value). The list goes on and on. Lawyers and law makers are asleep at the wheel at the moment and somebody needs to give them a kick up the backside.

      In the long term we need new legal forms unrelated to the traditional patents and copyrights to deal with this new, soft "universe" our generation is creating. Remember, software is anything we want it to be. How we structure it will have impacts on future generations we can only guess at but let's structure software and the law surrounding it (also software!) for human beings, not vice versa.

    34. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by dipipanone · · Score: 1

      Besides, Linux can be replaced without changing the whole system. That would take a while (although it already "works", see Hurd), so I think the cute Daemon would be the answer.

      And you think this despite the fact that SCO has already said that it plans on going after the various BSD's next?

      It seems to me that if they can prevail with Linux (and I don't think for a moment that they can), then they'd prevail with their claims against BSD as well.

    35. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent -3 (SHORTsighted, not inSIGHTful)

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    36. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Berne Convention does require other countries to recognize copyright of other nations that have signed the covenant.

      Yes, but just because an american judge says that the copyright has been violated, doesn't mean that other countries has to obey the US judge. This must be handled by the individual countries justice systems

    37. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by bit01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The worst case scenaerio is that SCO manange to score retrospective compensation against any commercial organisation that has made use of linux during the last decade.

      That problem applies to any software, not just Linux. Broken IP law and submarine patents means that any software may have this problem. And have you seen M$'s guarantee recently? Like most software they don't guarantee jack.

      Whats at stake is the reputation of OSS, GNU, GPL, etc.

      Again, reputation applies to any software, not just the Linux kernel. I think the market is a lot smarter than you give it credit. The dangers of M$ lockin are real, documented and obvious. The legal FUD you are talking about is just that. FUD. The market knows about FUD. Look at how they've reacted to the SCO case so far. Despite all the bullshit Daryl is generating, according to informal surveys he hasn't affected the purchase of Linux and Linux services at all.

      ---

      It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
      It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.

      Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

    38. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      That problem applies to any software, not just Linux. Broken IP law and submarine patents means that any software may have this problem. And have you seen M$'s guarantee recently? Like most software they don't guarantee jack.

      But you have missed one galringly obvious point, Microsoft's code isn't open to the public for all to see. They may well have stolen code in the past, they may do it in the future as well, who is to know ?. And if comapnies have to make a big payout to SCO then I think they may well start to view the diminished risk of unseen future IP infringemnet as a big plus.

    39. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by miu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree with the sentiment that the future for IP law looks bad, but I think there are some real problems which would be addressed by worldwide recognition of copyright, trademark, and patents. Sooner or later there will have to be universal laws covering IP and the US is the only country with the clout and will to make it happen right now.

      The problem with US IP law is that it is driven by short sited lobbying from middle men who do no actually create anything. It would be a shame if the "rights" of professional descendants and RIAA were to form the basis for worldwide copyright, but it appears to be the way things are headed at this point.

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    40. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Patent and copyright recognition are the big demands the US and WTO make of countries that want to join the globalization oligarchy. I think it fairly likely that a change in the legal status of Linux in the US would have effects throughout the world

      Perhaps in the rest of the "first world" (Europe, basically), and the portions of the "third" world that are US satellites, but the rest of the world will absolutely ignore it, just as many countries (notably Brazil) have ignored pharmaceutical patents when it suited them.

      Even in Europe, I think Linux is important enough to Germany -- a major component of Europe's economic engine -- that they may decide to buck the US as well. And when that little court ruling becomes a major international political sticking point, it's likely that the US won't push it.

      Heck, even in the United States, the US government, especially the military, and every major corporation also have a vested interest in Linux, so there would be additional pressure on the administration to find a way to "solve" the problem.

      SCO's suit is going to be shown to be completely without merit, maybe as soon as the week after next, but probably later in the year, but even if it were to succeed completely, Linux wouldn't be destroyed. Outside of the US it wouldn't really even be slowed.

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    41. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      They can't make it illegal! There is nothing wrong with it at all... No ammount of corprate pressure would be able to cause the courts Make it so. the GPL will stand as it allways has..

      I Hate to see comments like this.. Its part of the Doomsday outlook... These comments have no place being made.. Just as much as the people that said Planes will fall from the sky when we roll over to 2000...

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    42. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      That has to be the reason why they don't want to show the code... They think they finally have a workable business model to go on... Make everyone pay for a Licence for software that is everywhere allready... If they were to tip thier hand and thier claims were valid Linux would change and then they lose thier new business model.

      It is beyond me why this hasn't been brought up in court... It would for the most part get the SCO headlines to stop.

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    43. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by gehel · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, the Bern convention was only about copyright issues. The main concern the Open Source comunity should have is about patents. And as far as I remember patents are not deposed worldwide. They are valid only in the issuing country. Worldwide patents are much more expensive and not that much used (exept for pharmaceutics ...)

    44. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by thales · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " I can say that I'm not worried about SCO. Think about it like this. If Linux becomes "illegal" it will be illegal just like all the warez and pr0n on kazaa. And God knows that nobody makes or downloads those."

      In the very unlikely event that Linux became illegal it would also become another Amiga OS, niche software that some people played with, but which had no future outside of a hobbist market.

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    45. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      Should SCO claims carry any merrit, the code in question would be removed instantly - which is exactly what SCO doesn't want.

      This is what I really don't understand. If their legitimate gripe is that people are using their technology without their permission then prove to us that you wrote the infringing parts and we'll remove it and replace it with clean code. The way they're pursuing this whole matter are downright underhanded.

    46. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by ShadowRage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you forget that microsoft is also losing ground due to their oversaturation of the markets.

      the one hidden beauty to a capitalist market is if you manage conquer all, you'll find out that you're fucked, because competition is what keeps you in business. because you'll gain money, if you dominate, no matter how much is paid, you'll lose money, and the economy you're under will plummet in value, and you could have as many people under your thumb and basically make people slaves to your product, but your own success will be the end of you, especially considering the fact is the US economy falters, many other economies in the world falter, you'll lose power over night, no place to move your hq, and if you could afford moving at this point, and you'd be screwed because of all the people coming after you to lynch you. chaos breaks out, the end.

      sounds a bit extreme, but that's how it goes
      if bill gates was able to monopolize almost every market in the US (which he's trying to do, in technology at the moment, but we all know that)
      if he just monopolizes the tech industry, he'll falter because that's the only market his company specializes in. but that's where taking over other markets falls into place, if he manages to take over other markets (impossible in his life time, but then again, it only took less than 10 years to create a monopoly of most of the tech industry)
      it could very well be the end of him, it's like a man grasping onto dry and brittle vines as he escapes quicksand. he took all the ground out from under him, leaving a soggy mess, and grasping for something solid which only is destroyed in his grip..

      it also might be bad for us, but unlike him, we can recover.. something like this would send a message to companies showing that a company doesnt run an industry, but the consumer does, abuse or try (or force) the consumer for granted... and you'll get stung..
      it's that old saying... dont bite the hand that feeds you.

      and if linux gets deemed illegal, people can always take a "legitimate" copy of it, or the sources, modify them into "legality" and create a new kernel, and the apps that are used in linux would still be useable.

      you cant kill creativity. so those who srceam gloom and doom about linux, you're partially right, linux itself would die, but not its spirit, it would just reincarnate itself in another form.

      and that's a big IF, because sco doesnt even have a leg to stand on, and if sco does win, the case can be re-tried again in the supreme court.
      and if that happens, someone should go to the news stations and show how unfair the legal system is, that is, if the news media isnt forced to shut up about that... but still go for it, show them a juicy story about the legal system choosing to side with someone who didnt have any proof, just hype and litigation, while the side that lost, had all the proof in the world, that would look really bad for many politicians. microsoft wouldnt get stung, but sco would have all to lose in that..

      SCO would lose either way if all is done that way.
      not to mention they've already lost ground with the market that supports them... either way, when they return from their holy crusade, they'll find the community that gave them their existance wont be their to heal their wounds.

      so really, no one has anything to gain from the loss of linux. because in the long run, everyone will get screwed... linux is needed to keep microsoft on the market.. without competitors, microsoft will only be able to last so long until they falter, and take down the economy with them.
      like I said before, People who are creative and who are resilient will always come back. the economy can come back, linux can come back, but companies like microsoft that are static in their ways will not come back from their own destruction, unless they pull and IBM, and also start being more honest. (which we know, is impossible)

      I'll leave it at that.

    47. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by fanatic · · Score: 1
      If Linux becomes "illegal" it will be illegal just like all the warez and pr0n on kazaa. And God knows that nobody makes or downloads those.

      I work in america. I live in America. I want to use Linux at work and at home. You are an idiot.

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    48. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Cringely, attention seeking media whore, who'd a thunk it.'

      I'm shocked and appalled that you would accuse a fine, upstanding whore of the media, of being a media whore. That's slanderous!

      You're right about YAW, some of these people don't have a fucking clue. This is what we get for telling 'doze admins they could use linux...

      If by some extreme overextension of governmental authority, all of Linux was outlawed(as opposed to whatever parts are found to violate the law), I've got a feeling most of us would ignore it, and alot of us would probably begin being major pains in the assess to the authorities until they made this right.

      But that's not gonna happen. Worse case scenario(aka SCOs crackpipe dream), Linux is found to contain property of SCO, the government would order that no versions of Linux containing the code could be distrbuted. Within one week, there would be a beta up of the new kernel without tainted code, and the largest and fastest beta cycle ever witnessed will occur, and in something like a month, a new stable kernel would be released containing clean code replacements for the stuff removed by the court order.

      But let the chicken littles enjoy their dreams where Linux becomes even cooler to use because it's outlawed! It won't happen, but it adds meaning to their closet window using arses...

    49. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Actually, if Linux becomes illegal, and is in the same league as warez, mp3s, and pr0n on Kazaa, it would bode very ill for the future of Linux.

      How could Linux become "illegal"? SCO is suing IBM for violation of a contract apparently regarding trade secrets. If SCO were to miraculously win the suit, IBM would have to pay SCO, and SCO is compensated for its loss (hahaha). You cannot put trade secrets back in the bottle; once divulged, they are no longer secret. Unless SCO manages to purchase some new laws, there would be nothing illegal about Linux. In the worst (fantasy) case, IBM pays to make it legal.

    50. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      You're basically saying that you're willing to break the law. I think this is all a joke as much as you do, but if Linux was somehow rendered completely illegal, I wouldn't bother with it anymore. There is BSD, y'know.

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    51. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is whether or not those sections of code--i.e., "trade secrets"--would ever be revealed. I'm thinking no.

    52. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the code is found to be honest-to-god infringing, it will cast into doubt the very methodology by which that code was brought into the kernel.

      That is the crisis Cringely talks about:

      It would require a new organizational structure to ensure no similar claims threaten the new version of Linux.

      Since the same or similar methodology is used in countless software projects, it will force a similar organizational change on most of them, or they will risk becoming the pariahs of an important part of the community: the commercial world would refuse to touch them, and so would most of academia.

      Open Source software would risk become the equivalent of... abandonware.

    53. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. It would prove that Open Source WORKS! This is what everyone wants. I mean, look at what's happending with diebold and their closed source.

    54. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And of course, who says that it won't continue to still be legal outside the U.S.... If SCO was to launch world wide lawsuits in the unlikely case that it wins, it would be decimated by the time it finishes.

      You've forgotten that most of the major hardware firms (Intel, AMD, IBM, etc.) are also in the USA, and are therefore bound by its laws. If SCO's lawsuit were to succeed in the USA, that would probably mean the end of Linux: USA hardware firms would stop selling/supporting it, meaning very poor hardware support. Next, USA universities would stop using it, so no more interesting research on Linux would come from the USA. Finally, it would set a precedent that might be followed outside the USA (esp. in the developed economies).

      If SCO wins, there are alternatives to Linux, such as BSD, which has already won its copyright battle with UNIX: BSD gave so much critical code back to UNIX that it was impossible for AT&T/Novell to stop BSD without crippling UNIX itself (imagine UNIX without sockets, or core tools like vi). In contrast to BSD, Linux has given nothing to UNIX, so SCO can fight until it runs out of money, with no risk to its UNIX business.

      I don't think SCO will win, but with viable alternatives that could easily replace Linux, a SCO victory would actually be no great risk to open source itself.

      Oh my.. what did they do to our precious Caldera?

      It was the opposite: Caldera took over SCO to gain the UNIX copyrights, probably with this very lawsuit plan in mind. It is almost exactly the same as the Caldera purchase of DR-DOS, which was really only ever used as leverage for lawsuits against Microsoft over MS-DOS. After beating Microsoft, IBM is one of the biggest targets for Caldera.

    55. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Boiled+Frog · · Score: 1

      In the worst case scenario, if it's found that this code is honest-to-god infringing, responsible community members will rewrite the areas that need to be rewritten, not that it will go underground and die or some such tripe.

      This is the worst case scenario in a copyright infringement case. However, if Linux is found to be infringing a patent, the code will have to be removed completely from Linux. The only way it could be reinstated is if a licence fee is paid to SCO. Who is going to do that? You? Linus?

    56. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is BSD, y'know.

      I'm sorry, *BSD passed away this morning.

    57. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From Anonymous Coward to Anonymous Coward, I will assume that your answer is meant to be serious, and so I ask:

      How would a verdict of patent infringement prove that Open Source works?

      How would the impression that the Bazaar methodology is inherently vulnerable to IP contamination prove that Open Source works?

      What the hell are you talking about?

    58. Re:As a member of the Linux community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was evidence to prove that Overly Critical Guy is a lying cocksucker, but he deleted it. Think independently.

  3. What utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Linux has to grow or die"

    Erm, why? Linux isn't a company. If Linux stopped growing, there'd still be thousands of developers and testers working on it. Cringely evidently doesn't understand the whole ethos behind the free software world; his comment is ridiculous.

    1. Re:What utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could remain static, but how can that possibly be quantified. No, I think might have covered all the bases on this one.

    2. Re:What utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Linux has to grow or die" ....

      is also self fulfilling. The SCO thing will surely cause some sort of changes somewhere that can be pointed to in hindsight. And obviously, Linux will either continue to grow or it will not.

    3. Re:What utter nonsense by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Grow is too much of a corporate buzzword, I'd replace it it with "find a goal". The original goal of a free, stable and usable Unix workalike has been accomplished and then some, with ports to various architectures large and small.

      So what's next? Is fine tuning the VM and implementing yet another filesystem "it"? Or should there be another goal that takes it somewhere else, like a Desktop Linux initiative or something? I'm guessing that's the growth he meant, not in the "get bigger" sense, although I'd imagine he was thinking of a revised goal that accomplished a bigger user/installation base, too.

    4. Re:What utter nonsense by foxtrot · · Score: 1

      "Linux has to grow or die"

      Erm, why? Linux isn't a company. If Linux stopped growing, there'd still be thousands of developers and testers working on it. Cringely evidently doesn't understand the whole ethos behind the free software world; his comment is ridiculous.


      Or perhaps not? Seems every three minutes, someone comes out with yet another piece of hardware that doesn't talk the same way as the last one. So Linux needs to expand to include device drivers for those things (grow), or people will quit using it, 'cause it don't run on their machines (die).

      Ridiculous? Or should we be saluting Captain Obvious?

      -JDF

    5. Re:What utter nonsense by drfireman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Linux has to grow or die"

      Erm, why?


      This is just an old trick, popularized by horoscope and fortune cookie writers, applied to the computer industry. There's almost no conceivable course of events during the next year (especially given the certainty of more SCO-related headlines, at least on Slashdot) that couldn't be described as at least provisionally consistent with this prediction. If Cringely provided some analysis or insight, I guess there could have been an interesting point here. But it's really just a throw-away.

      As an exercise, review the years to date for Linux. Each year has seen some significant movement towards both growth and death. Lately there have been interesting maintainer changes, which would probably qualify as changes in organizational structure. It's hard to remember a significant period of time during which Linux hasn't confronted something that could be loosely described as a do-or-die challenge. The same could probably be said for most if not all organizations in the tech industry. If Cringely really wanted to make a non-obvious prediction, and this was the best he could come up with, he probably just didn't give it much thought.
    6. Re:What utter nonsense by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      Why do you post this AC?
      I want to be able to increase my chances of reading more of your posts by using friend +1, but can't. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

      YAW.

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    7. Re:What utter nonsense by dbIII · · Score: 1
      The original goal of a free, stable and usable Unix workalike has been accomplished and then some, with ports to various architectures large and small.
      It can always be better, and is getting so. NFS in 2.4 is fairly crappy - it works but better implementations exist. NFS in 2.6 is very different and supports a newer standard.
      Or should there be another goal that takes it somewhere else, like a Desktop Linux initiative or something?
      That's a userspace thing, and should be cross-platform anyway. On Monday, I get to show someone how to use the new linux install on his office PC. It is not going to be a big drama, since he's been using mozilla (which looks the same wherever) and just about everything else runs over X from other machines anyway, and he's used xv remotely instead of paint shop anyway. Why have it linux centric? Most apps developed in linux which have been in development for a while will compile on nearly any *nix. It's a whole different area, and shouldn't be a game where people are told they have to have linux to run a paticular app. An example from history, is that RMS lost a lot of credibility for saying that emacs shouldn't have X windows support since the hurd didn't have X - hence emacs forked. You shouldn't have to run hurd to use emacs, and you shouldn't have to use linux to use a paticular app or group thereof.

      All that said, that may well be Cringley's point - it's easier for him to bundle kernel/applications/desktop together (and probably include *BSD as well) than to make the distiction. The prediction may well be deemed to be fulfilled if the gnome board or similar groups get some press.

    8. Re:What utter nonsense by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      That, or he has fully went over to the 'DarkSide', and is being paid to generate FUD.

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    9. Re:What utter nonsense by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's pretty much another "tautology" prediction. Nearly everything has to either grow or die. Homostasis is a quite difficult art to master (and software hasn't even attempted it). OTOH, as Linux is the fastest growing server platform, and a fast growing desktop platform, and a fast growing embedded platform, it's tautologically true in another way, also.

      Note: Free software can die. (Well, go into prolonged hibernation with no appearant awakening time.) All that's needed is for the maintainers to loose interest and not be replaced, while the environment it was used in evolves. Check the Debian site for oprhaned packages to see some software that's just started the long descent.

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    10. Re:What utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, but I always post as AC. A good post should stand on its own -- if I had an account and said something controversian, I'd get mod-bombed and "foed" and all the other antics common around here all piled on me.

    11. Re:What utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PREDICTION FOR 2004:

      The parent post has to be moderated, or it will remain at +1.

    12. Re:What utter nonsense by Compuser · · Score: 1

      HomEostasis? Freudian slip?

    13. Re:What utter nonsense by Seeka · · Score: 1

      Cringely is speaking in a sense of the utter survivability of the OS on a marketable basis. For example, Linux can't compete with other more user-friendly OSes like Windows if it doesn't have people working on it and it doesn't "grow" in a real sense. Even if thousands of developers and testers are working on something, If they're not going in a particular direction together, they might as well be running in circles.

    14. Re:What utter nonsense by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Nah... lousy spelling. And years since someone noticed and corrected me.

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    15. Re:What utter nonsense by dtjohnson · · Score: 1

      I think the point that Cringlely is making is that there has to be method implemented to prevent future SCO-like claims made by other SCO wannabes from threatening the Linux code base. Yes, SCO will lose and go away but the whole SCO legal attack has pointed out the vulnerability of a very large open-source code base to becoming contaminated with proprietary code.

    16. Re:What utter nonsense by Boiled+Frog · · Score: 1
      "Linux has to grow or die"

      This isn't the whole prediction. It was actually a throw-away line after his actual prediction:
      The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise.
      But everyone seems to be ignoring this. He is basically saying that Linus' don't ask don't tell policy isn't working and has to be changed or Linux will become irrelevant.
  4. I like this prediction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I predicted that Microsoft's Palladium security plan, now called Trustworthy Computing, would be distrusted and stall. That looks right to me.

    Predicting that a microsoft security product isn't reliable? Predicting that a microsoft product is late?

    Cringley is THE ORACLE!!

  5. Give Me A Break... by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 4, Funny



    "They like to pretend that it hasn't, but it has."

    Yeah, just like I pretend that Cringley doesn't matter, but he does.

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    1. Re:Give Me A Break... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      he makes quite a bit of very spesific sounding but very fucking broad guesses. the kind of guesses you can always say that were true no matter what happened.. and which have no true meaning at all("apple will not sell as many g5's as it hopes"- that could be 'true' no matter how many g5's apple sells)

      btw, what fucking new drm schemes did hollywood come up in 2003 that were promptly broken? what?? anybody??

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    2. Re:Give Me A Break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That'll be why there's never any SCO stories, then.

      There are quite a few Amiga stories too, but that doesn't mean it's "created a crisis in the Linux community".

    3. Re:Give Me A Break... by prichardson · · Score: 1

      Actually, Apple a lot more G5s that it had hoped. So many that most people didn't get their orders until two months after it was announced. The G5 is a huge success for Apple. Now they are winning on a hardware front and have undebatably the best OS around.

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    4. Re:Give Me A Break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to cum up your bum

    5. Re:Give Me A Break... by willtsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful


      The analysis seems to suggest a traditional business model. Linux isn't a business OR a product. It's a bunch of enthusiast building a shared, free toolset. The enthusiast could care less about a profit. They just want a more stable operating system.

      People seem to suggest that the ants will stop building just because you knock over the anthill. This isn't so. Despite ANYTHING that SCO does, the ants will keep building. No legal menueverings or laws will stop the ants because they are just plain smarter than anyone else in their area.

      I'm not bragging, I don't contribute. I don't even use Linux (yet). But I DO have a profound amount of respect for those who do. I do realize that these people represent the top minds in software construction who are simply doing what comes naturally.

      Linux will NEVER die. Microsoft has been spraying the ants for years and they just keep building more ant hills.

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    6. Re:Give Me A Break... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they're still not selling zillions of them, sure maybe they're selling all they can of them... but that still doesn't make them owner of personal computing.

      but that g5 guess was there just to display how broad cringeleys guesses are - you can always say that apple had hoped to sell more but couldnt't due to fact x(that there isn't more people than what there are on the world, or because it would have been impossible for them to produce more of them faster in economic fashion, or there were mosquitos in florida and so sales were 10% down0).

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  6. Um, what? by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with a prediction like that is that it's largely content-free. Changing organizational structure of Linux, how, exactly? When he says "Linux", does he mean kernel development or the whole OSS community? What, exactly, is wrong, and how (and why) does it need to be changed?

    As fluffy as that prediction is, we can have Andrew Morton take over maintainership of 2.6 from Linus Torvalds this year and Cringeley can claim another success at the end of 2004.

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    1. Re:Um, what? by pirhana · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually even the predictions with content too go wrong mostly. You remember all those predictions last time ? like Bruce scheiner had predicted "Major cyber attack" ? Meta group's prediction that Microsoft would come up with linux version of some of their software? I can go and and on with the list of predictions by well knowng guys and firms that went HORRIBLY wrong. Ofcourse some of their "predictions" get hit also(like "there will be windows in the desktop next year also"). Actually I am surprised that at the end/begining of every year slashdot and other news site spend a lot of time for these craps. These predictions are something like a "routinely bullshit" done of every year.

    2. Re:Um, what? by jimicus · · Score: 2
      I don't think we will see a change. However, what we might see is visibility.

      Many /. readers have a good idea how the kernel is managed and thus know that it's unlikely that illegal code on the scale SCO is claiming could make it in there - either through personal experience or through reading the various SCO-oriented stories.

      Most columnists, managers and commentators don't. To them, it's just some system which appears to have magically come into existence from nowhere with no visible structure. Expect the structuring to become more visible as IBM, Novell et al demonstrate how unlikely it is that infringing code could make it into the kernel.

      This isn't that hard to predict - they've made Linux a serious part of their business now and if this doesn't happen it could seriously dent their credibility.

    3. Re:Um, what? by ender81b · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think what he means is either more corprate structure or less corporate structure.

      For example, currently driver support in linux is horribly broken. Worse yet, it is horribly broken *by design*. The kernel developers refuse to freeze a driver api for the kernel (like MS did with win95/98/me and win2k/xp) or make a DDK (to my knowledge) instead changing the api every major release and sometimes on point releases. They have a point -- doing so encourages the development of open source drivers instead of binary only drivers. Unfortunatley this is one area in which corporate interests might superceede the interests of the individual kernel developers. Possible.

      Another area we might see is with regards to linux on the desktop. Progressing, yes, but not as fast as it might if - say - sun or ibm decided to make a serious commitment to linux and either extend kde/gnome/x or replace them entirely. If they come up with a desktop replacement that is far better than the current offerings they will win by default, thus placing the future of linux on the desktop in corporate hands, at least for a short while.

      I think this is what cringley was getting at -- changing linux to reflect the fact that alot of the development is funded by major corporations now instead of hackers working on their free time.

    4. Re:Um, what? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      What you think he means? Why does that sound familiar? What God - uh, I mean Cringely - meant to say...

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      If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
    5. Re:Um, what? by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      The reason there hasnt been a freeze is that its really to soon in the development process to do so. The kernel isnt stable enough yet and a freeze would put an end to much of the development. When the kernel stabilize (development) there will be a frozen api but today it would only be in the way of things to come.

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    6. Re:Um, what? by divec · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The kernel developers refuse to freeze a driver api for the kernel (like MS did with win95/98/me and win2k/xp) or make a DDK (to my knowledge) instead changing the api every major release and sometimes on point releases. They have a point -- doing so encourages the development of open source drivers instead of binary only drivers. Unfortunatley this is one area in which corporate interests might superceede the interests of the individual kernel developers. Possible.

      I think open-source drivers are good for corporate linux vendors too. It's not in Red Hat's interests to ship buggy, binary-only drivers which they can't correct, and then have their customers say, "Oh, Red Hat Linux is unstable".
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    7. Re:Um, what? by JanneM · · Score: 1

      What you or I _think_ he means is quite immaterial, though. It is so sloppily and fuzzily worded that any even tangentially relevant happening can be seized upon by Cringeley to support his "prediction". It is essentially formulated in a way that makes it very difficult for him to be wrong, no matter what actually happens.

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    8. Re:Um, what? by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 1

      The open source drivers bring Linux where it is now. With LOT of binary drivers you are tight to API which you can't change if you need to (and if you change it, NOBODY can fix binary driver but vendor).

      Also - with binary driver you can't pin-point failure (if some happens) to the driver but user won't care - he'll just say "Linux crashes as much as Windows" but he won't see it's bad binary driver - Microsoft estimated 70% of system failures were caused by bad device drivers!

    9. Re:Um, what? by Telex4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whilst your points are well made, Cringely was clearling talking about the Linux kernel developer community's organisation in relation to the SCO case. Since the only remotely valid point SCO has raised is the question of validating intellectual property rights on all code submitted, Cringely must be suggesting that the community will have to become tighter about the way it accepts code.

      Of course, that suggestion is complete nonsense, since the only way the community could verify that no code was breaking any copyrights would be to have access to the source code of all of the products whose copyrights it might break. But that doesn't stop dopes like Cringely from saying it to sound clever ;-)

    10. Re:Um, what? by AndreyF · · Score: 1

      you're a funny guy :)
      i'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but some kind of free software already is the mainstream in the corporate enviroment. free sofware already runs most websites...

      sorry kid, you lose-

    11. Re:Um, what? by dbIII · · Score: 1
      instead changing the api every major release and sometimes on point releases. They have a point -- doing so encourages the development of open source drivers instead of binary only drivers. Unfortunatley this is one area in which corporate interests might superceede the interests of the individual kernel developers.
      This has been handled for years. You buy a big expensive commercial app, and the release notes tell you it runs on RedHat7.2, so you use that and initially the kernel that comes with it (and you don't let it talk to the internet if you can help it). You don't get any surprises if you actually read the instructions.

      Personally, I'm not a fan of large expensive commercial apps - they may be the thing your company uses to make money, but in one example, four months to change ONE LINE OF CODE after a problem has been pointed out (right down to the variable name and what value it should be for output) is just a bit too much - paticularly if the workaround for the problem takes about six person hours per week, for people who charge out at quite a few dollars per hour.

    12. Re:Um, what? by smchris · · Score: 1

      it's largely content-free.

      Yes. "Tux, when I gaze upon the lifeline of your palm, I see changes you must face bravely in 2004."

    13. Re:Um, what? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think this is what cringley was getting at -- changing linux to reflect the fact that alot of the development is funded by major corporations now instead of hackers working on their free time.

      I don't find this all that likely. Maybe that's what he SHOULD HAVE BEEN getting at... but you're giving him too much credit.

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    14. Re:Um, what? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The sharp limits on binary only drivers is also a nice quality filter. There are three classes of manufacturor that won't release a source driver or the specs needed to create one:

      1. 'win'something. These are the crappy devices where the manufacturer doesn't want the specs or driver source revealing how little capability the device really has for your money.
      2. Gollum. They must protect their precioussss IP at all costs. Odds are, if their hardware was really innovative, simply knowing the register programming details wouldn't contribute much to making a knock-off. They would have patents to take care of that anyway. Apparently, their 'innovation' is nothing special. In any event, if someone really wants to make a knockoff, they'le use an ICE to reverse engineer the register programming. If it's not worth that much effort, the product is just yet another *.
      3. Totally clueless. They haven't thought about it at all, 'think hurt!'.

      The only other class of hardware that Linux doesn't have drivers for is stuff that is new and there hasn't been time yet. The more pervasive Linux becomes, the less we'll see of that problem.

    15. Re:Um, what? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      My probldm with them is that different pieces of software demand different versions of the OS. And I don't want to dedicate a computer to each application. I suppose I could buy a honking big HD and install all of the versions that any of the programs needed... but generally the commercial software isn't central enough to what I do that I'm willing to do that much to cater to their whims. I'm the customer, they're the vendor. It they won't run on my OS, why should I buy from them?

      I'll admit that Linux changes things that break closed source software more frequently than MSWind does, but it's usually easy to see how they could have designed things so that it wouldn't break. And they didn't bother. I give most commercial software a failing grade under most categories. (The "pretty image" category they do quite well on, though.)

      N.B.: I'll grant that things may be differnt on the MSWind OS, but that's not one I use anymore.

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    16. Re:Um, what? by dbIII · · Score: 1
      I'll admit that Linux changes things that break closed source software more frequently than MSWind does
      In nearly every case you just need the right libraries, and the vendor can tell you which ones to use. A good thing about linux is you can have as many old libraries as you need, and can run for example a jigsaw program compiled in 1996 on new install with a few old libraries added.
    17. Re:Um, what? by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Valid point. One of the main reasons that Microsoft Windows 95/098/ME is so unstable has to do with crummy drivers, and there is not really anything Microsoft can do about it. Apple does not have this problem since a) they control the motherboard and b) they control the main extension bus(SCSi in the old days Firewire and USB nowadays) and there are not any good reason for exteral vendors to write drivers for these sort of things.

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    18. Re:Um, what? by joebeone · · Score: 1

      I think he means that Linux development needs some serious IP geneology... imagine a "Linux Geneology Project" where you could browse the Copyrights for every line of code in Linux... that would be a way to short-circuit SCO's case without lawyers... just tech.

    19. Re:Um, what? by ender81b · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the reasons for open source drivers are, to be fair, good ones. Nonetheless, from a consumer standpoint they wouldn't care ;). THat's what I was trying to get at in my original point. Technically it's probably a better solution but in the end it leads to alot of frustration from a end-user standpoint.

    20. Re:Um, what? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      I think this is what cringley was getting at -- changing linux to reflect the fact that alot of the development is funded by major corporations now instead of hackers working on their free time.

      Perhaps, but it's a bit late for him to make predictions about 2001, even if he did have the decency to predict something that didn't happen.

    21. Re:Um, what? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The end user will care, they just won't know they care :-)

      It will matter since if there's any interest in the device at all, it will end up in the kernel with the bugs fixed. The end user won't know or care how that came about, but will notice in some way that the driver doesn't suck.

    22. Re:Um, what? by pod · · Score: 1
      Cringely must be suggesting that the community will have to become tighter about the way it accepts code.

      Why will it have to? It Microsoft strict about the code it accepts from its programmers? Is there a horde of lawyers going over every line of Windows source comparing it to GPL and BSD code? What's to stop a developer from copying a bunch of GPL code from somewhere, getting it past review (not the greatest challenge I assume), and hey, as long as the daily build doesn't break, who cares, right?

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    23. Re:Um, what? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The person I talked to at MetroWerks wouldn't, or couldn't, tell me what libraries I needed to make CodeWarrior work on Red Hat 8 when it was supported for Red Hat 7.x (I may have the version numbers wrong here). And this was when the sale depended on it, so I doubt they'd have been more helpful afterwards. You may be right about what was actually needed, but this doesn't mean the information is easily available. And mostly these commercial apps aren't important enough to me that I'll chase around after them for a few days to figure out what the answer is. They tend to fall into the "It sure would be nice to be able to..." kind of place. E.g., why would I prefer CodeWarrior over Anjunta? Or even over Kate? Well, it does have a few nice features, or it did on the Mac, several years ago. But does it still on this new platform? I don't know. But I do know how much time, effort, and cost I'm willing to put into finding out.

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    24. Re:Um, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a prediction. It's an opinion of what should be done.

      What does he mean? Someone to sue? To take responsibility?

      You use linux at your own risk. The authors contribute at their pleasure with no strings attached (other than GPL). What could an organisation do that would improve the situation?
      Derek

    25. Re:Um, what? by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since the only remotely valid point SCO has raised is the question of validating intellectual property rights on all code submitted

      IMHO, the Linux development community already has much more stringent IP validation techniques than any proprietary shop. I mean, Linux can't just go around stealing people's IP because all the Linux code is out there in the open; if something's not theirs, it's obvious and hard to hide. A place like Microsoft on the other hand, all the code is secret and jealously guarded, so they don't have to worry if other people's IP slips in, since nobody will ever see it and nobody will find out anyway.

      I'm not saying for certain that Linux is inherently "more pure" in the IP department, I'm just pointing out that the current environment seems to encourage open source to keep better track of it's IP than does proprietary software.

    26. Re:Um, what? by dbIII · · Score: 1
      The person I talked to at MetroWerks wouldn't, or couldn't, tell me what libraries I needed to make CodeWarrior work on Red Hat 8 when it was supported for Red Hat 7.x (I may have the version numbers wrong here). And this was when the sale depended on it, so I doubt they'd have been more helpful afterwards.
      Good point - if it's not worth enough to have it's own machine, or if it's your own machine and it's not worth dual booting for a while until things are sorted out it probably isn't worth tracking down the libraries required.
  7. great predictions, but... by auzy · · Score: 1

    but I dont think linux needs to be reorganised.. Currently many companies are employing the open source system, and it has been proven that it works.. At any time anyone who wants could fork the kernel and do it their way. But I personally don't see the system changing, or any reason for it to... "As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up.".. As for that, I think quite the opposite, that the SCO executives have gotten so used to annoying everyone, that they need to keep the badboy attitude, and will keep having to keep that reputation, or they would be exterminated. I think a few of the predictions are pretty obvious though, not really sure if they are worth getting slashdotted

    1. Re:great predictions, but... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      . As for that, I think quite the opposite, that the SCO executives have gotten so used to annoying everyone, that they need to keep the badboy attitude, and will keep having to keep that reputation, or they would be exterminated.
      I think things will probably continue until the point where the justice system in Utah expects to see headlines like "Utah - the scam state", and then they will come down heavily. I expect Darl McBride will kill SCO that way, by trying to get away with too much then doing something that will be seen as contempt of court (because Judges are educated people too - all that technical law stuff counts for nothing against good honest business gut feeling).
  8. Linux does not have to grow. by miffo.swe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a myth from people who think like a company. The only thing linux really needs to survive is users who like it or want to change linux into something they like.

    If linux becomes oh so unpopular what is it to say that no one just takes the codebase and make something new and better? I think the cat is out of the bag now and thanks to OSS the applications barrier to entry is officially dead or atleast very small compared to how things looked a couple of years ago.

    Without the applications barrier MS has no real advantage over anything else.

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    1. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by gimpyben · · Score: 1

      Could that be for the corporate backers of Linux? If IBM et al. generate marketing hype, but end up with nothing to show for it in the short term, will that hurt future Linux adoption? I doubt it will have much impact on the hobbyist market either way.

    2. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. It is entirely true that Linux, as an OS (kernel, whatever; it's a pointless argument) need not show the kind of year-over-year growth that proprietary software vendors like to see from their products -- there's no Linux accounting department that will axe the project if its ROI fails to meet expectations. But: there is a difference between Linux, the cool open-source geek OS, and Linux, the business-computing phenomenon that is the best chance of toppling Microsoft from its throne. The first will survive, in some form, whatever else happens. The second is in a very delicate place right now. What I hope to see happen is that with backing from Big Blue, Linux continues to gain mainstream acceptance and eventually becomes one of the default choices for corporate use everywhere from the desktop to the mainframe. But that won't happen unless it makes a few more major steps in the propaganda war. Right now it's seen as a respectable alternative ... but "respectable alternative" and "mainstream" are not the same thing.

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    3. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I hope to see happen is that with backing from Big Blue, Linux continues to gain mainstream acceptance and eventually becomes one of the default choices for corporate use everywhere from the desktop to the mainframe. But that won't happen unless it makes a few more major steps in the propaganda war.

      At least for IBM customers, which constitute a huge segment of the IT industry, Linux is going to be a significant part of their world. IBM has put too much money into their Linux strategy to back off, and there's no technical reason to look for another approach in any case. Linux is already running on lots of mainframes, RS/6000s and Netfinity boxes, and as it becomes capable of seriously replacing AIX, it will do that as well. Linux on the desktop is less certain, but IBM doesn't really play on the desktop (sure, they sell PCs, but it's not a big part of their business and they aren't a big part of the PC business).

      About the only thing that could seriously slow IBM's move toward Linux is for SCO's lawsuit to succeed, and anyone who's been following the case closely knows that there's next to no chance of that.

      Disclaimer: I work for IBM, but I'm not an IBM spokesman. And my part of IBM still thinks Linux is a funny fringe OS.

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    4. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by teslatug · · Score: 1

      Oh really, I'd like to see how many users there are when you don't have the hardware to run it on. What are users going to do, keep using old hardware? You need the support of the big hardware companies, or Linux dies. You may not like it, but it's the truth.

    5. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by danila · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I work for IBM, but I'm not an IBM spokesman. And my part of IBM still thinks Linux is a funny fringe OS.

      That would be "disclosure", not "disclaimer".

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    6. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      IBM will keep moving towards Linux because it's cheaper to take advantage of geek code then pay people to do it. All they need do is modify it to run on their hardware platforms.

      The other big reason is simply to spite Microsoft. Linux is the only real threat to Windows. Microsoft stole the throne from IBM (actually IBM gave it away ;-). They can't get the thrown back, but they can help to knock Microsoft off it's perch and make them equals with every other application vendor.

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    7. Re:Linux does not have to grow. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      Linux has so far managed to do just fine without support from the hardware companies so far. The only drivers i can think of that really needs hardware manufacturer support is graphic drivers and that is only because their reluctance to release the hardware specs.

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  9. The Rising Sun by imbaczek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think he's wrong about Sun. If I'm not mistaken, these guys are going to earn some really big $$$ in China.

    1. Re:The Rising Sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More than money, they actually are developing great new technology. If you take a look at what they've been working on, it's good stuff, unlike IBM and Microsoft who stand on the backs of giants (IBM support Linux 200%, Microsoft buying software from anyone and everyone).

    2. Re:The Rising Sun by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure. Just like Motorola did. China is just like Japan in that they don't want to actually open their markets to outsiders. They want to milk off all the technology they can (by either waving dollar signs in front of naive CEO's or simply stealing what they need) and then selling it back to us to maintain the trade deficit. No, I suspect Sun has been blindsided and MY prediction is that the Chinese will take them for a ride.

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  10. It must be growing by rootnl · · Score: 3, Funny

    It used to fit on one cd, now it's 3 or more.

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    1. Re:It must be growing by sjofi · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that there was a time when it fitted on 3 floppys. It must be growing exponentially!

  11. Non-prediction by wine · · Score: 4, Funny
    Linux has to grow or die: how can this be not true?

    I mean, isn't this like saying that the temperature tomorrow will either be lower of higher than today?

    1. Re:Non-prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think it's like saying "You have to eat or you'll die." as the tempature could be the same tomorrow.

      Let's top the fussin' and the fuedin', mkay? :-)

    2. Re:Non-prediction by bangular · · Score: 1

      "I used to be in a band. People either loved us or hated us...or thought we were ok." -Mitch Hedberg
      That is about the extent of this prediction. If something doesn't grow, it eventually dies. Well... do we have _any_ reason to believe Linux won't grow ? It has grown steadily every year since the beginning. I think it really is a good prediction... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!

    3. Re:Non-prediction by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 0

      How about if linux remains the same? Remains static? It neither grows nor dies? ;)

      I haven't read the article but I kind of agree with you. This sounds like a tautology.

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    4. Re:Non-prediction by POds · · Score: 1

      No, but it is like saying "if the tempreture doesnt rise between now and tomorrow it'll be the same or lower than it is right now". :)

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    5. Re:Non-prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it remains static, then it's dying. Well it isn't really, but it is in the context of everything else around it, which you assume would grow somewhat.

      Signed,

      Mr. IDoNotHaveANameThatIsAsLongAsYoursNorAsInteresting

    6. Re:Non-prediction by bj8rn · · Score: 5, Funny

      He should just as well have put these predictions in quatrain.

      I. At the end of the year,
      Two choose new and one
      Will try to abuse, but
      Cause in them no fear.

      II.No man will be killed
      By means of net, but
      Many with their money
      Will be parted.

      III. The mail of lightning
      Will useless be, so Big
      Red something new proposes.
      But beware of traps!

      IV. Old things abandoned will be,
      And this many in danger
      Will certainly leave.
      A rusty knife can still kill.

      Need I go on?

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  12. Vague vague vague - and probably still wrong by adrianbaugh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If all Cringely's predictions are this vague I'm embarrassed for him that he only gets 70% of them near enough to count as a success.

    Besides which, linux has coped fine with SCO. Even if there were any infringing code (which, after all the contradictory, facile BS SCO has been spouting, I somehow doubt) it would be a very easy matter within the current kernel development framework to either rewrite the code or dike it out -- if SCO would say what, exactly, the code was. The problem isn't one of the linux development model, it's a problem with SCO and their blatant disregard for honesty, the truth or any kind of propriety. If there was some (unspecified) "other" development model used, we would still rely on SCO telling us what the infringing code was so that it could be fixed or removed.

    Believe me, if there was a problem with the linux kernel development system that meant the whole thing could be brought down using lawyers, Microsoft would have torn us apart years ago. In terms of unpleasantness (and certainly in terms of competence) SCO has nothing on MS Legal.

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    1. Re:Vague vague vague - and probably still wrong by the_duke_of_hazzard · · Score: 1

      I agree. The ones that weren't vague were probably fairly obvious to those in the know (ie people he phoned up) and probably based on insider gossip he is pretty much given.

    2. Re:Vague vague vague - and probably still wrong by Genrou · · Score: 1
      Nostradamus-like:
      When the blue turns red,
      and the lion eats peanuts,
      The cold bird and the damned man will clash.
      There will be blood everywhere.
  13. Amiga Prediction by POds · · Score: 1

    Woohoo, i've been waiting for these! Did he do 2003 predictions? I think it was 2002 that he said the Amiga will still be vapourware, damn him being right. I bet you (and i havnt read it yet) he wont be saying that this year :)

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    1. Re:Amiga Prediction by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I think it was 2002 that he said the Amiga will still be vapourware

      Actually he said that for 2000, and I believe he was right. But he was wise not to make the prediction for 2002 since he'd have been wrong.

  14. Off to a bad start by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come back in 365 more days and see how I did.

    As 2004 is a leap year with 366 days, I'm guessing Cringely will get this prediction wrong...

    1. Re:Off to a bad start by powerspike · · Score: 1
      As 2004 is a leap year with 366 days, I'm guessing Cringely will get this prediction wrong...
      well 365 days will be the last day of the year.... new predictions on the first day of the year, checking of old predictions on the last day of the year /shrug
    2. Re:Off to a bad start by phatsharpie · · Score: 1

      If the Earth arrives on time for the 6th year in a role, he might be right! ;-)

      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01 /0 1/202208&mode=thread&tid=134

      -B

    3. Re:Off to a bad start by Stackster · · Score: 1

      If he's predicting things for a certain year, he damned well should consider the _whole_ year! For all we know, everything might (or might _not_) happen on new years eve.

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    4. Re:Off to a bad start by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      If the Earth arrives on time for the 6th year in a role, he might be right! ;-) science.slashdot.org/article

      ?
      29Feb != leap second

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    5. Re:Off to a bad start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'd be the worlds longest leap second if it was..

  15. Crack head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I said that Sun would decline further, generally because of the success of Linux. There is no doubt that this was correct."

    "The U.S. IT industry will see some real growth except for Hewlett- Packard and Sun, which will continue their declines."

    This guy must be on crack. Sun shipped the most copies of UNIX last year, have lower prices than Dell on the x86 side, supports Linux, created OpenOffice and supported it commercially, and is doing some of the most innovating development of any company (including the open source community, though they aren't a company).

    "2) We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way."
    What's the fun in killing people? Costing billions of dollars in damage multiple times a year, even a month, seems like a much better option if I was a terrorist. But I'm not a terrorist, I fear caves.

    "12) Wal-Mart's entry into the music download business changes everything, and will undoubtedly take the leadership away from Apple."
    I think that's a bold statement. Time will tell.

    1. Re:Crack head. by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sun IS dying. Its sales have been declining. Its net losses have been mounting. And so on. It is switching to linux and it remains to be seen how successful that is. Companies like IBM, SuSE and Red Hat have greater market share of the linux market.

      I agree with the prediction regarding Sun Microsystems for a few reasons. First of all, I don't think the CEO of Sun is that great. In fact, I think he isn't very good. He reminds of the CEO of a company I used to work for, Motorola. Both CEOs seriously fall behind the competition and lack any insight. Second, Sun will have a tough time because it is caught between two things: hardware and software. Traditionally, its revenues have been from hardware, with software acting as a cash cow. Right now, it will have a hard time. Does it start selling Intel hardware (in which case it won't be making money off that)? Or does it go with software (which it isn't familiar with)? It looks like it is leaning towards software (with its Java Desktop System (which has little to do wiht java)). It remains to be seen if it can compete with Red Hat and Novell, among others.

      What's the fun in killing people? Costing billions of dollars in damage multiple times a year, even a month, seems like a much better option if I was a terrorist. But I'm not a terrorist, I fear caves.

      Terrorists don't live in caves--at least not most of them. In any case, I haven't read the article but terrorists don't (and won't) use cyber-terrorism because that is not their goal now. Groups like Al-Qaida don't target economic targets right now. All of their targets have been symbolic (warship, embassies, WTC, Pentagon). They may switch to economic targets in the future but we don't know. If they really wanted to cause massive economic hard, they domn't need the internet. They just need to blow the US stock markets. That will cause TRILLIONS of damage! Since financial institutions (like the stock market) are the heart of capitalism, any damage will have massive impact.

      As far as the online music sales thingie is concerned, I don't really have a strong opinion yet. A lot of people are buying songs but I'm not sure if that is a long term thing or a short term fad.

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  16. My take on the future of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My look at the future of Linux is based on moving from near silicon valley to a hick town in California. Basically, looking at young people in this hick town, I see very little real interest in Linux among the geeks. Yes, there is the "Linux is cool" factor, but I only know a handful of people in the CS department who actually can do anything more with Linux than install it.

    The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX. Today's geeks do not seem to have the patience to learn the UNIX command line; they are more insterested in the trendy video game of the week and hooking up their new digital camera to their computer (and, yes, Linux has a big problem with USB devices; especially the ones that are really cheap at Fry's). Again, this may be different at better universities than the one I am going to in the hick town I am going to, but UNIX mastery requires both a social group where there is pressure to learn UNIX, and a group of mentors in that group to teach the secrets of the UNIX command line to newbies.

    Yes, Linux is making progress to not be a UNIX, by having a much easier to learn GUI for people who do not want to learn UNIX, but the lack of unity (a natural consequence of Linux's open-source nature) and the continuing slow economy that lowers the funds available to help support open source development (a lot of open source development is only possible because the programmers are paid to make the software) both leave Linux behind Microsoft and Apple in terms of GUI quality.

    RedHat's decision to no longer make their flagship distribution freely downloadable does not bode well for the future of Linux; I have seen geeks interested in Linux who look at the number of distributions available, can't decide which one to use, and then decide to be interested in the latest video game or whatever instead.

    1. Re:My take on the future of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your using the term "geek" how I use the term "wanna-be".

      Example, you wrote:
      "The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX. Today's geeks do not seem to have the patience to learn the UNIX command line; they are more insterested in the trendy video game of the week and hooking up their new digital camera to their computer..."

      It should have been:
      "The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX. Today's wanna-be do not seem to have the patience to learn the UNIX command line; they are more insterested in the trendy video game of the week and hooking up their new digital camera to their computer"

      The term "geek" is thrown around a lot these days, and it sickens me.

    2. Re:My take on the future of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX. Today's geeks do not seem to have the patience to learn the UNIX command line; they are more insterested in the trendy video game of the week and hooking up their new digital camera to their computer (and, yes, Linux has a big problem with USB devices; especially the ones that are really cheap at Fry's). Again, this may be different at better universities than the one I am going to in the hick town I am going to, but UNIX mastery requires both a social group where there is pressure to learn UNIX, and a group of mentors in that group to teach the secrets of the UNIX command line to newbies.
      >

      The mistake you're making is that think that the that either Linux,BSD or the Free Software/Open Source Community *NEED* people like you.

      We *DON'T*, and haven't needed clowns like you for *YEARS*.

      The only groups that *DO* need idiots like you are basically ones that are heading towards an dead end like the Amiga,BE userbase and the PC Gaming cummunity.

    3. Re:My take on the future of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that the "geeks" in this hick town are wanna-bes. The ones that are not wanna-bes I do not call geeks; I call them hackers. In the classic, not the "break in to computers" sense.

      Are you seeing a community where people who want to learn Linux (or UNIX) better are taking the time and effort to do so, with help from people that already know it? Are you seeing today's teenagers and people in their early 20s really learning how to effectively use UNIX? Because I sure as hell am not, at least in this particular hick town. And, yes, this saddens me.

    4. Re:My take on the future of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the PC Gaming cummunity.

      Are these people playing those hentai games I see reviewed on somethingawful?

    5. Re:My take on the future of Linux by nathanh · · Score: 1
      The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX. Today's geeks do not seem to have the patience to learn the UNIX command line; they are more insterested in the trendy video game of the week and hooking up their new digital camera to their computer

      They are not geeks. They are consumers of electronic toys. A geek would want to pull the digital camera apart to see how it worked.

    6. Re:My take on the future of Linux by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      That's linux's strong suit. The people you are referring to aren't geeks, but tinkerers. They want everything done for them in the first place. Let them play with MS software. If you have an internet connection you can connect to a 'social' group that wants to learn Unix. Everything I'm reading here are excuses for people who don't want to learn Unix. I don't want linux to turn into another MS Windows where your hand is held and Papa Gates makes sure you don't hurt yourself with the command line.

    7. Re:My take on the future of Linux by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

      The people you call geeks aren't geeks. The people you mentioned just seem to be a typical computer user...

      You don't need to like linux to be a geek but playing computer games and hooking up digital cameras does not make a geek...

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    8. Re:My take on the future of Linux by dbIII · · Score: 1
      The problem with Linux, at this point, is that it is still essentially a free UNIX.
      I thought that was the whole idea.
  17. Prediction 1 - he doesn't know games programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Prediction 1: So no-one knows how to write games with the Cell processor? He could have made the same claim for the PS2's VU units yet I see no lack of PS2 games. There wasn't even a noticeable delay while games programmers learnt to use it!

    The rest of (1) is hardly a prediction, unless 'Microsoft will carry on as normal' is an earth shattering revelation.

  18. I like Cringely, but... by Ransak · · Score: 4, Insightful
    His predictions are the equiv. of me saying 'I think water will be wet next year.'

    3) Despite new anti-spam laws, we'll still be plagued with unsolicited commercial messages, especially using Internet Messaging protocols.

    Sorry, anyone with an Inbox and a clue could tell you this. Vast amounts of spam come from outside the US boarders, where spam laws in the US mean squat. I think he's right on the money with this one though:

    The more vague the predictions, the more likely they are to not be wrong, you know.

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    1. Re:I like Cringely, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The more vague the predictions, the more likely they are to not be wrong, you know.

      I think that vague predictions are likely not to be wrong next year.

    2. Re:I like Cringely, but... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

      The more vague the predictions, the more likely they are to not be wrong, you know.

      Kind of like horscopes huh? :)

      Anyone found any good horoscopes for 2004? My life is fucked up and I need some motivation :)

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    3. Re:I like Cringely, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that 90% of spam originates from within the US. That's why European anti-spam laws have had no effect. But hopefully the US anti-spam laws will do something. Maybe the US needs to start a war on spam to build on the success of the war on drugs and the war on terror.

    4. Re:I like Cringely, but... by po8 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and this follows up on Cringely's bold 2003 prediction that spam would become "a real problem". Which is a terrific prediction, except that for most folks this happened around 2001.

      Quite a few of his 2003 and 2004 predictions seem to be things that already happened, actually. I find that sort of prediction quite easy to make.

  19. Those are not predictions, but observations by lastberserker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Check #3, for example, we _know_ MSR is working on this (there was a story here recently). Or #4, which is simply general trend. #7 is a BS: "Someone is going to come out of this a big winner. I just don't know who it is." Most of the rest are the same, including #15. Gee, tell me more, old toad ;-P

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  20. of course it did... by graveyardduckx · · Score: 0

    Of course it caused a crisis! Most webservers linked to on slashdot are running linux! The more posts about SCO, the more strain on linux machines across the globe! Gosh, what a prediction!

  21. Cringely's right...Darl also topped LinuxWorld Q4 by jg21 · · Score: 1

    "Reader-Response" Index for Q4...engendering more feedback from the Linux comunity than any other individual in the entire technology space, much of it articulate, admittedly some not-so.

  22. Predictions are just that by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    Don't mistake these people for fortune tellers and remember this factoid about statistics:

    According to the latest official figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

    So much for the prediction success rate. I guess that's also pretty much a question of interpretation. That aside, I consider the underlying assumption to be fundamentally flawed because it practically assumes that SCO has a point.

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    1. Re:Predictions are just that by NeoThermic · · Score: 1

      >> According to the latest official figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

      I have a feeling that this falls under:
      67% of all statistics are made up.

      Go figure ;)

      NeoThermic

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  23. cyber-extortion by tuxette · · Score: 2, Interesting
    We will, however, see dramatic growth in cyber-extortion and plain old theft.

    I think this could have been predicted for 2003.We've already seen examples of cyber-extortion here (the medical transcriptionist in Pakistan), and I've seen lots of other reports of cyber-extortion attempts here and there, especially in the last 6 or so months. And this is the stuff that is actually reported in the news! I wonder how much of it goes unreported...

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  24. Re:Cringely's right...Darl also topped LinuxWorld by jg21 · · Score: 1

    Here's the link. Sorry about that.

  25. My prediction: Mac zealots get more mod points by lastberserker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...and you are the target, dear ;-)

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    1. Re:My prediction: Mac zealots get more mod points by lastberserker · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'm the target, hit me some more ;-P

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  26. missing prediction ? by powerspike · · Score: 1
    ...Someone is going to come out of this a big winner. I just don't know who it is.
    #7 started off well, but ummm what's the prediction, he just stated a situration and then failed to "predict" what would happen, vauge wouldn't even cover it. somethings going to happen, but what ?
  27. Some predictions misplaced by mj_1903 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I *shock horror* read the article and low and behold he has some pretty strange predictions:

    1. The PS2's VU was pretty hard to write software for, but who is winning the market right now?
    2. Nintendo have not announced what proecssor they are using, so how can it be the Cell processor? Who said that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft were releasing now consoles this year? At this time, they are all gunning for 2005.
    3. Apple are not going to release flash iPod's, instead they are going to release HD based iPod's with 2 or 4gb capacity. This is a solid rumor.
    4. Apple have made no announcement of how many G5's they want to sell, so anything is not what they are hoping.
    5. Chances are the G6 will be released next year as the Power5 is being released next year.
    6. Linux die? How? It's not a company, its a conglomerate of programmers. It's marketshare is rising, not falling. Case in point, OSS such as Apache is only growing in popularity.
    7. How is Microsoft continuing on their normal ways a prediction? It's a fact.
    8. Walmart are going to have some serious issues with their online music store simply because its not easy to use. I agree that Apple at this rate will not be in the lead though.
    9. The Burst case is interesting, but I can't see Apple and Real being punished if Microsoft loses/or buys Burst.

    All up a rather silly set of predictions that is all too vague or missing facts. I can see why he gets 70-80% success.

    1. Re:Some predictions misplaced by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

      It's marketshare is rising

      To quote StrongBad:

      Ohhhh, if you want a possessive, use just I-T-S,
      but if you want a contraction, use I-T-apostrophe-S,

      scalawag

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    2. Re:Some predictions misplaced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is a "solid rumor"? Are you retarded?

      "Cringley is wrong cuz I heard a solid rumor from the futureweb."

      Shut the hell up.

    3. Re:Some predictions misplaced by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      . How is Microsoft continuing on their normal ways a prediction? It's a fact.


      I think Cringely is WAY off on this one. Wal-Marts business model relies on moving into the neighborhood and bullying everyone else out. Unless Wal-Mart embarks on a massive Denial Of Service campaign against competitors, they really cannot do this on the internet.

      Beyond this, MP3 music users are typically geek types. I hate to break the news, but geeks don't get their technology from Wal-Mart. Their retail presence certainly provides a gateway. But once a user hits the internet all of Wal-Marts advantages go away.

      Wal-Marts best bet would be using a similar business model as printer manufacturers. Basically, they would offer $100 players with 5 Megs of drivespace. These players would play a proprietary Wal-Mart format to keep everyone in the fold and finance the device sales.

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    4. Re:Some predictions misplaced by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      1. Yes, but Cell is even harder to write for than the PS2 hardware, which is basically just a complicated evolution of the Model 2 Sega arcade hardware. Can you think of any current or remotely recent games that are written using the kind of tech the PS3 sounds like it might use? The problem is that you are increasing the difficulty by an order of magnitude. Already publishers/developers are being hurt by how long it takes to make a PS2 game (admittedly partially because of increased media content needed, which will get worse), and the only reason so many devs are able to make games for PS2 at all is because decent developmental tools and middleware eventually appeared. How long until the PS3 gets this?
      4. No official announcement does not mean no expectations. Of course Apple has some kind of internal number for how many G5s they expect to sell!
      7. It is still a prediction. I am not sure why so many Slashdotters don't seem to grasp that a prediction doesn't have to be some revolutionary insight to be a prediction...
      9. The important thing with the Burst case, IIRC, is that Burst is also going after Real and Apple. So if the case goes against MS, there is every reason to suspect it would do the same against Real and Apple.

      All up a rather silly set of predictions that is all too vague or missing facts.
      A vague statement about the future, without certain specific facts? Omigod, that sounds like a PREDICTION!

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    5. Re:Some predictions misplaced by mj_1903 · · Score: 1
      1. Oh I totally agree, its going to be a pain in the rear end to write for, but technology keeps doing that for us. I think that a Linux Kernel for utilizing all the threads that are needed to utilize its full potential will be needed, or at least something light and powerful along those lines. To say its going to be a dream like the XBox or to some extent GameCube hardware is most definitely a misnomer.

      4. Sure Apple's marketing guys have internal numbers, but no announcement means that Apple cannot be wrong, and therefore his prediction is incorrect. I actually think its going to be incorrect anyway, Apple will sell more than they think they will.

      7. True.

      9. A, thats news to me. The last I knew they were not going after Apple, but I am sure that if they win against Microsoft they will happily sue Real and Apple.

  28. How many of his predictions? by ostiguy · · Score: 1

    Are about what he is going to have for lunch?

  29. Touchscreen voting by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    As for the touchscreen voting scandal, nothing will be resolved or improved.

    Resolved? Probably not. But we've *already* seen improvements made, namely that various state pols have already expressed their dissatisfaction and complete distrust of electronic voting systems. I think this will continue, and will become an issue in Congress soon - and possibly even a presidential election issue.

  30. I'm still convinced ... by cockroach2 · · Score: 1

    ... that just ignoring SCO works best for me. No reason for high blood pressure, no crisis anywhere, just a bunch of idiots.

  31. rubbish by servies · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just as most 'analysts' the predictions he makes are just so damn global they can mean anything or they're extremely obvious...

    just giving the numbers here and my comment:
    1) Ofcourse MS will. That's what they already wanted to do with the Xbox and failed (IMO) and they still are doing this... Geeez what a prediction...

    2) Do I really need to say anything about this... It's pure bullshit...

    3) Geez don't we already know this...

    4) Geez, all these companies already told this to everybody who wanted to hear this... My my what a prediction...

    5) Rubbish...

    6) I predicted this at the start of the SCO case and everybody knew this from the start...

    7) Nonsense...

    8) Can't comment on this because I don't live in the USA.

    9) I expect HP to grow, Sun will stabilize and Dell will indeed start to compete in new markets as they have done every year the last 2 or 3 years...

    10) Can't comment on this one as I don't know the situation.

    11) Geez, ofcourse WiFi will grow... and ofcourse progress and service will be spotty... and ofcourse a new business model won't work...

    12) Can't comment on Wall-Mart as I can't buy there etc and I'm not living in the USA...

    13) Can't comment on this as I don't know anything about Apple.

    14) Geez... how surprising. But the strange thing is: all the candidates will be against outsourcing because it's bad for the number of jobs in the USA... So don't expect to be able to pick the winner on this point...

    15) That's something they already do for the last 4 years... Nothing new here And ofcource Bill Gates won't get the Nobel Peace Prize... Which idiot would expect that...

    Come back in 363 more days and see how I did ;)
    He's just like the gypsy at the local fair... obvious things and then claiming he thought it up...

    1. Re:rubbish by buzzdecafe · · Score: 1

      And ofcource Bill Gates won't get the Nobel Peace Prize... Which idiot would expect that...

      If infamous war criminal Henry Kissinger can win the Nobel Peace Prize, then anything is possible.

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  33. Re:My prediction : KDE 3.2 will slaughter Gnome! by PeteVine · · Score: 1

    > Apart from Ximian's desktop, there is no major product using GTK.
    Vmware

  34. Bah by eddy · · Score: 1

    TSG hasn't created a crisis. WTF? A crisis is when your house is on fire. Watching and cheering on the demise of a stock-scam in action isn't a crisis. It's a research opportunity.

    That said, the 'aging debacle has created a crisis in Cringley. He pretends that it hasn't, but it has.'

    Wow, that was amazingly simple!

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  35. My 2004 Prediction by graveyardduckx · · Score: 3, Funny

    I predict 2004 will be different than 2003. I also predict that my prediction will be right. Now why don't I get coverage when my predictions are more accurate?

    1. Re:My 2004 Prediction by iaamoac · · Score: 1

      No. You're prediction will be partly right. It's going to be the same shit, but a different fan.

  36. Why another organizational structure for Linux? by NZheretic · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Why should SCO force a new organizational structure upon Linux?

    The Linux kernel development already has a tried and true tested organization. Linus Torvalls and crew operating as benevolent dictators, totally open to public scrutiny, with no abolute power to dictate what additional patches the distributions and developers end up using. It has worked and continues to work very well.

    All the contributions and development are traceable though both the Bit-tracker/CVS logs and the mailing lists, which makes everything available to public scrutiny for everyone, include those who are publicly defending Linux.

    Throughout 2003, the SCO Group's so-called evidence and legal theories have fallen into disrepute though the rediscovery of the combination of the terms of the GNU General Public License and the open development process of both the Linux Kernel and even UNIX itself.

    The weight of the historical evidence, including the active participation of both old SCO and Caldera executives and employees in the development and promotion of Linux, tips the scales of justice heavily in favor of IBM, RedHat and Linux end users. In fact the weight of evidence effectively chucks SCO legal position off the scales, out the window and over the cliff like a cartoon catapult.

    While each new Darl McBrides threat and new David Boies partners legal theory look impressive at first glance, in practice they are about effective as attaching a giant anvil to a biplane to catch a pigeon.

    See http://www.tibonia.com/Dmeg1.htm

    The McBride and Bois Show to stop the Penquin is becoming a joke ...

    Bois you snickering legal type hound,
    When court time is needed, you're never around!
    Those millions you ripped from SCO's legal chest,
    Should be there for bungling at which you are best!
    So, Stop The Penguin, Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin, Stop The Penguin, Stop That Penguin
    How?
    Sue them! Mud them! Fud them! Charge them!
    Stop That Penguin
    Now!
    You Stowell, start fudding it's worth the chance,
    For some will believe by the lies that you plants!
    And Kevin, you invent me a legaly-bob,
    That catches that Penguin, or I lose my job!
    So, Stop The Penguin, Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin,Stop The Penguin, Stop That Penguin
    How?
    Sue them! Mud them! Fud them!
    Charge them!
    Stop That Penguin
    Now!

  37. Re:Prediction 1 - he doesn't know games programmer by phatsharpie · · Score: 1

    I thought this prediction was really weird... Didn't MS recent made a statement that it's going to use IBM technology for the X-Box 2? I thought it was pretty much widely speculated (and accepted) that the pact was to use an IBM chip as its CPU... So isn't MS in the same boat as Nintendo and Sony? Also, I don't think IBM nor Nintendo ever stated that the next console will be using the Cell.

    This prediction just seems to be random observations and "facts" jumbled together.

    -B

  38. Ooh, prescient by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What else does he predict? The stock market will either rise or fall? The Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate will win the Presidential election? We'll be damned if we do, and damned if we don't?

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    1. Re:Ooh, prescient by Alsee · · Score: 1

      The Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate will win the Presidential election?

      Now THERE would be a nice prediction to fail.

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    2. Re:Ooh, prescient by s20451 · · Score: 1

      The Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate will win the Presidential election?

      Don't look at me, I voted for Kodos.

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  39. Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by Fortunato_NC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one's talked about it yet, but I find his most interesting comment to be the one about how Wal-Mart's new online music effort will displace the iTunes Music Store as the number one retailer of online music files.

    I disagree with this, for a few reasons. One, they're under tremendous pressure from their conservative customer base (lower-income white America) to adhere to a "moral standard". Have you ever bought a CD from Wal-Mart? They only sell "clean" versions of much of the type of music that would be bought online by the younger Internet demographic. If I was going to buy an electronic version of "Straight Outta Comptom", I sure as hell wouldn't buy it from Wal-Mart's online music store.

    Second, online music is not an area that plays to Wal-Mart's competitive strength. Not many people think of Wal-Mart as a successful "clicks and mortar" e-commerce company. Wal-Mart makes its money by selling cheap consumer goods at rock-bottom prices. So rock-bottom, that their smaller competitiors can't compete, and are forced out of the market. But digital music is a much more level playing field. Apple can work with its label partners to lower its prices to match Wal-Mart's. But honestly, I don't think they have to. The integration with iTunes, the iTunes product on both Windows and OS X, and the huge mindshare that Apple enjoys make for an ability to sell their music at an 11 cent premium over Wal-Mart if they want to.

    Third (and last, I'm getting tired of typing) - can Wal-Mart sustain their price advantage? Or is it like buymusic.com, where the few tracks that were actually available for their advertised 79 cent price were obscure tracks that you wouldn't want, and as some artists complained, weren't legal anyway? Unfortunately for the consumer, I think 99 cents a track is where the industry wants the price for most songs to be.

    I guess that my main point is that I just don't believe Wal-Mart is going to steamroll over the music industry with a business plan of "We do what they do, just a bit cheaper." Too many other companies have already established beachheads, and they're actually innovating. My predicition is that Wal-Mart abandons digital music within 18 months.

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    1. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by big_fish · · Score: 1

      I see Walmart as a real compoetitor to iTMS. Why?

      Closed Format: iTMS uses a closed standard. What is the market share of Apple vs Windows computers? People want a compatible service.

      Market demographic: You say that their target demographic is "low-income white Americans". I don't think that is entirely accurate, but for arguements sake, which is a bigger market segment. "low-income white Americans" or ipod owners.

      Walmart is also very good at selling commodity products. They are not the world's largest retailer for nothing.

      Walmart can maintain their price advantage. They have done it for several years in products that no one thought that they could. Their past experience shows this and it will be no different. If they decide to own the music download business, they can make it happen. Thether the margin is there for them to do so is another question.

      Walmart is a major threat to iTMS and Netflix. Their shear size and ifluence give them a trememdous advantage.

      As far as selling clean music only, there is plenty of "clean-music" out there for people to purchase.

    2. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One, they're under tremendous pressure from their conservative customer base (lower-income white America) to adhere to a "moral standard".

      The folks in my neighborhood (top 2% income-wise) all shop there. Maybe we need to move back to the trailer-park with you. You might be surprised to learn that we'd like them to adheare to a "moral standard" too...something wrong with having one? As for Wal-Marts chances for success, they're most likely slim to none. They've got zero experience in this area. Just because you're a big fish doesn't mean that you can rule every pond...guess we agree on that.

    3. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by droleary · · Score: 1

      My predicition is that Wal-Mart abandons digital music within 18 months.

      I think you're pretty much right, but I don't see a lot of the newcomers lasting until even the end of 2004 (leading to the question of what happens to the restricted music that gets purchased while they're around). The mistake I think Cringely made is noting that Apple publicly stated it uses iTMS to drive iPod sales, and Cringely thinks that means online music stores will drive the direction portable players take. He failed to note that the iPod was king before the iTMS was introduced, and Apple's use is to expand its dominance in the player market. Wal-Mart has no leadership role either in online music or in portable players. Their practice of driving smaller business into the ground simply won't work. And, really, when it gets to sub-dollar pricing, not a lot of people are going to care enough to save that dime to be short-changed not only by the WMA restrictions, but the limited "clean" selections as well.

    4. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by big_a · · Score: 1

      not a lot of people are going to care enough to save that dime to be short-changed not only by the WMA restrictions, but the limited "clean" selections as well

      You're totally right. The WMA restrictions are brain-dead. This is why Wal-Mart will fail in the online music biz.

    5. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are incorrect on a couple of points:

      Closed Format: ITMS uses AAC (an open standard) with the least onerous DRM scheme. Walmart uses a closed standard with a very onerous DRM scheme. AAC is not limited to Apple computers. Indeed, all a Windows computer user need do is install iTunes and they have access to iTMS and AAC.

      Market Demographic: I agree that this is not as simple as "low-income white Americans", but again, assuming this is a large part of their customer base for the sake of argument, you should ask, "Who is more likely to buy music downloads? Low income white Americans or owners of expensive MP3 players?"

      Walmart might be good at selling commodity products, but music has not yet fully made the transition to a commodity, and I doubt it ever will. Walmart can force the makers of the products it sells to lower prices, cut overhead, etc., because of the commodity nature of those products. Walmart can make its suppliers toe the line because they can always go elsewhere. Walmart does not have the same leverage over, say, Pearl Jam. They cannot dictate terms in the same way.

      When we see music being bought and sold by the byte at the Chicago Board of Trade, then we can call it a commodity. And I'm not saying that something like this can't happen. Some subscription models come close already. I just think there is a big difference between a home appliance and music.

      That being said, Walmart probably is a threat to both iTunes and Netflix, due to it's size and bargaining power. However, this threat depends on execution, and as has been pointed out, Walmart's core competency lies elsewhere. It's not a given that Walmart will kill either Netflix or iTunes.

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    6. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by DannyO152 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I understand it correctly, Wal-Mart's core competency is using its size to negotiate down the costs from distributors and producers. I suspect that if Wal-Mart is offering their music for less, they are paying less to the record companies. The nexus for the agreement may very well be the more restrictive nature of the consumer's use of the Wal-Mart music files. There may even be co-op money for Wal-Mart from Microsoft for promoting the WMA format.

      As this is the entertainment business, I'll just point out that when HBO started to look like it could be a success, other companies started movie channels. And within a few years all the major film studios had exclusive deals with the channels for the right to be the first channel to show the studio's releases. Something similar happened when others saw MTV's success and they followed behind. Deals for 90 day (IIRC) exclusivity proliferated between the channels and the record companies. I wouldn't be surprised if exclusivity doesn't begin to appear this year, and not to Apple's advantage.

    7. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by shiffman · · Score: 1

      As others have said, AAC with Fairplay is no more closed a standard than WMV. Apple controls one, Microsoft controls the other. Unless you buy the argument that "Microsoft = standard = open", which I don't. Besides, there's the issue of what each format allows you to do. Apple's approach is far less restrictive than WMV. And far more consistent; every track has the same restrictions. That's not true of WMV, where each label seems to have a different set of rules.

      But there's something else driving the success of iTMS vs. Walmart and all the other guys: convenience. Having the interface of iTMS embedded into iTunes allows Apple to provide a simple and elegant way to choose, purchase and download tracks. No web interface can be half as good. As I understand it (being a Mac user, I can't very this), to buy an album on Walmart's store requires downloading each track individually. Sure makes you want to load up, doesn't it?

    8. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Walmart's core competency is not so simple as that. They are primarily a brick and mortar store. Near as I can tell, they haven't gotten rid of their online competition.

      Just anecdotally, I have heard that Walmart's selection of music priced under 99/song is quite limited. Other complaints I have heard is that the shopping process is complicated, and that the DRM terms are inconsistent and confusing. So far, they don't seem to be executing so well.

      I don't think your cable TV examples prove your point. HBO is still going strong. In fact, it might still be considered an industry leader. Exclusive deals weren't new with HBO or cable either.

      Exclusivity has appeared already. iTMS has tracks from various artists that are exclusives to the store (I'm sure you can find them on the p2p networks soon after, of course). As I said, these sorts of promotional deals are nothing new. (I recently purchased an exclusive single from iTMS: The White Stripes "Black Math".)

      Walmart succeeds best when selling commodity items, as you mentioned. True, they are big and they can negotiate based on that, but currently Apple has the highest volume in download sales, which also brings something to the table.

      Another thing to keep in mind is that while the entertainment industry is mostly ruled by bean counters and lawyers, it is still an ego driven and bullshit fueled business. Who do you think has a better chance of successfully bullshitting someone, Sam or Steve?*

      *If you've never been within the radius of the reality distortion field, you've got to experience it. Come to MWSF or the WWDC later this year. If we meet up, I'll buy you a glass of kool aid.

      Anyway, I'm not arguing that Walmart and MS don't present a threat to iTMS or Netflix. I agree with you there. I just don't think it's a foregone conclussion. First-to-market advantage is a big deal, and first-to-market-done-right is a huge deal.

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    9. Re:Wal-Mart vs. ITMS by maaleron · · Score: 1

      That's not necessarily true. I work for a company that acts as a distributor for all of Wal-Mart Canada for both CDs and music DVDs, and we ship the exact same version of the CD as any other retailer would get.

  40. Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by fastidious+edward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For example: 1. A year ago, I wrote that HP/Compaq would continue its long slide to oblivion, and if you look underneath the corporate numbers, you'll see I was correct.

    SO the corporate numbers are OK then, their stock is up over the year (reference) so I'd say so corporate numbers sure are decent, then what basis is there for saying they are performing badly? Perhaps if I refer to an unspecified quantity I can make up a story about it too. Like, er, Dell will start slide into oblivion, which if you look below the corporate numbers (that is below profits, penetration, users, sales, turnover, employment, etc) you will see I am correct. What was I correct about? Well, ask me in a year and I'll tell you.

    2. I predicted that Dell would continue to grow at the expense of its competitors

    The home/business PC market is getting mature, so if any company grows it is largely at the expense of its competitors. Dell were growing market share, one doesn't have to be a genius to see that a lagged deterministic trend will continue, it is more insightful to look at the rate of change that growth is having, but he didn't do that.

    3. I wrote that Linux would continue to give Microsoft fits (that's true) and that Microsoft would be forced to compete on quality. Pick a low quality (costly) product. It comes under pressure from a free high quality product. The low quality (costly) product comes under pressure. A 3rd grade kid could draw that line of reasoning.

    4. I said that Sun would decline further, generally because of the success of Linux.

    (Fastidious comment, which of these Suns did you mean?) I can give a little credit to this since unlike the other 'predictions' it was not already written mud, though perhaps it was written in mud ready to be fossilised. Though looking back to financial numbers, Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to have done too bad.

    5. Here is one I got wrong. I predicted that China would standardize on Linux running on MIPS hardware.

    OK, so he stopped predicting the sun would rise tomorrow and got on with some original thinking. And failed, though it was a nice idea.

    6. I was wrong, too, in my prediction that Microsoft would force Intel to adopt AMD's 64-bit Opteron instructions.

    Hard to see this happening at the time, but again an interesting idea.

    7. I correctly predicted the Mac G5 computer line

    This had been announced by Apple already.

    8. correctly predicted that V.92 modem development would stall, but that nobody would care Or perhaps saw nobody cared about V.92 (DSL+ is where the action has been for the past 3 years), so predicted it would stall. Nice insight.

    9. I predicted that Microsoft's Palladium security plan, now called Trustworthy Computing, would be distrusted and stall.

    It was already distructed. Well done on the stalling part, it was just wishful thinking for me :).

    10. I wrote that Hollywood would come up with new digital rights management schemes that would be promptly broken

    An encrypted system where many have the same key is a system that has a key for anyone. Always been like that, always will

    OK, so I could go on, but his 'predictions' are a combination of the obvious (with a little critical thought) and the failures (when he gets beyond stating the obvious he usually gets it wrong). I do not trust this person's predictions.

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    1. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by bobKali · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And they're so vague. "Linux has to grow or die..." Umm, isn't that the way of everything? In a dynamic world (this world) things change. Change usually is either beneficial or detrimental - and this can be oversimplified into "grow or die." Since Linux has been growing since 1991 there's no reason to expect it to stop unless it ceases to be.

      Now what might be impressive would be if he predicted the direction of growth and got that right - but he's not even predicting that.

      I like his regular columns much more than his "predictions"

    2. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by Spoing · · Score: 2, Interesting
        1. 3. I wrote that Linux would continue to give Microsoft fits (that's true) and that Microsoft would be forced to compete on quality.

        Pick a low quality (costly) product. It comes under pressure from a free high quality product. The low quality (costly) product comes under pressure. A 3rd grade kid could draw that line of reasoning.

      You would think that, though my managers still think OSS isn't ready for prime time. Most don't realize that Apache, Tomcat, and a variety of other pieces used on our 'flagship product' (don't ask...) are OSS! The looks and speachlessness that occurs when I point this out is amazing. They really don't get it...and these are the smart people.

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    3. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting
      5. Here is one I got wrong. I predicted that China would standardize on Linux running on MIPS hardware.
      OK, so he stopped predicting the sun would rise tomorrow and got on with some original thinking. And failed, though it was a nice idea.

      Actually, the process has stalled and was nowhere as fast as people thought, but China is still pretty much moving in that direction. So it is too early to say. So the wrong part here is that he sais that his predicttion failed. Also it is not MIPS(tm). Some parts of the instruction set and paten encumbered parts of the ISA are missing

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    4. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by imbaczek · · Score: 1

      I do not trust this person's predictions.

      Why not trust the obvious?

    5. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by chfriley · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>7. I correctly predicted the Mac G5 computer line
      >This had been announced by Apple already.

      Apple didn't announce the G5s until the WWDC, which began June 23 of 2003, so, no, Apple had NOT announced it in January 2003. It had been scheduled for May, but was pushed back, part of the reason for the push back (reportedly) was to intro the G5

      Just fyi.

      Yes, people *knew* it would come eventually, but it hadn't been annouced by Apple until half-way through 2003 and few people thought it would be announced as early as it was.

    6. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by gregorio · · Score: 1
      Though looking back to financial numbers, Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to have done too bad.
      Their stock price doesn't matter, you must look here to see that they lost three and a half BILLION last year.
    7. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by fastidious+edward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Purely regarding financial methodology, rather than Sun in specifiecs:

      Profit and loss accounts refer to the past, not the future. If a company did restructuring and trimmed poor divisions it may make a short term loss but would benefit in the long term.

      The price of a stock refers purely and simply to its supply and demand, i.e. where people are happy to buy the stock and where people are happy to sell.

      So the price if a function of many agents' opinions of the future price and earnings of the said company. This is inclusive of technical trading, but I won't complicate going there.

      The stock price does matter as it is the quantification of qualitive opinions regarding the company. If you don't think a company is priced well, put a massive short position on the company and report back sometime in the future. I look forward to seeing you on it.

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    8. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      OK, so I could go on, but his 'predictions' are a combination of the obvious (with a little critical thought) and the failures (when he gets beyond stating the obvious he usually gets it wrong). I do not trust this person's predictions.

      If he had a Crystal Ball, would you trust him?

    9. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, it depends how far into the future agents are thinking about. Would they be willing to lock themselves into Sun's stock for the next 5 years?

    10. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by rxd · · Score: 1
      Though looking back to financial numbers, Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to have done too bad.

      Depends on how you look at it...

    11. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

      Given these comments were made for the year 2003 they are wrong. If you include 2002 you are including what had already past, I believe Cringley was talking about what was coming, rather than what had been. Why not add a few more years of the past?

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    12. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by fedtmule · · Score: 1
      • 1. A year ago, I wrote that HP/Compaq would continue its long slide to oblivion, and if you look underneath the corporate numbers, you'll see I was correct.

        SO the corporate numbers are OK then, their stock is up over the year ( reference ) so I'd say so corporate numbers sure are decent, then what basis is there for saying they are performing badly? Perhaps if I refer to an unspecified quantity I can make up a story about it too. Like, er, Dell will start slide into oblivion, which if you look below the corporate numbers (that is below profits, penetration, users, sales, turnover, employment, etc) you will see I am correct. What was I correct about? Well, ask me in a year and I'll tell you.


      Firstly, he may not have been refering to their stock price at all. Even if he is, you should probably compare it to the general development of technology stocks, see comparison between HP/Compaq and Nasdaq composite index
    13. Re:Cringley's predictions are self-determining... by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

      Firstly, he may not have been refering to their stock price at all.

      I don't think he was, however what was he refering to? Stock prices contain info about the overall opinion redarding a stock, so whatever it was it was not contained in the stock price.

      Even if he is, you should probably compare it to the general development of technology stocks, see comparison between HP/Compaq and Nasdaq composite index

      The NASDAQ is a heavily pro-cyclical market, but HP/Compaq are one of the most defensive technology companies there are and fit into the S+P 500 better than NASDAQ, which they perform better against. One could bring up performance and benchmark numbers ad infinitum. Also note HP/Compaq pay a better dividend than most tech companies, but Yahoo doesn't provide total return (rather than price return) graphing functions. In terms of absolute return HP/Compaq did OK and certainly didn't slide into oblivion, no matter how t is benchmarked.

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  41. My predictions for 2004 by ircShot_guN · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wow, let's see if I can get a good success rate with MY predictions for 2004. - Apple products will stay overpriced. Mac activists will claim you get what you pay for. - The linux community will continue to hate SCO. - SCO's website will suffer at least 4 months worths of downtime from DDOS attacks due to the above prediction. - Bill Gates will remain wealther than Steve Jobs. - Whether from spam or elsewhere, I will be told I am not big enough. - Linus Torvald will recive Bill Gates nobel peace prize for donating $0 dollars worth or software to millions of needy people/corperations. Well, I'd say I am pretty close to 70 percent.

  42. What's wrong with POP3? by Inoshiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "As for old fashioned spam, it will continue to cram our inboxes, making a good business for third-party anti-spam products and services while making e-mail pretty much useless for reliable communication. Microsoft will see opportunity here and propose new protocols to replace SMTP and POP3."

    Why replace POP3 (and IMAP)? These work fine and are completely separate of the SMTP delivery engine. The smart thing to do would be to replace SMTP MTAs with something that does server-to-server authentication, and leave POP3 and IMAP for the MUAs.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with POP3? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Why replace POP3 (and IMAP)? These work fine and are completely separate of the SMTP delivery engine.

      Yes, but how much will this stop a random marketing drone from telling your bosses boss that because of all the spam, he needs to replace it by OOPP (our-own-proprietary-protocol) ?

      I've been in way too many meetings with people who don't deserve their "head of IT" or "CTO" title to believe that a technical argument, no matter the truth value, wins over good marketing and fancy slides.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with POP3? by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

      IMAP is fine...POP3 on the other hand needs to go.

      I love IMAP and use it exclusively (I've no need for web-based mail...if I can't get to a mail client, I'll just ssh into my college's shell account and call up Pine from there). POP3 has so many problems. One is the fact that without server-based mail storage, portability is seriously harmed. Deleting messages in particular...I used to run into problems with quotas because I'd set my client not to delete mail from the server on download--deleting messages wouldn't work and I'd have to telnet into the server to delete them. HELO, USER, PASS, STAT, DELE ad infinitum. Why didn't I set my client to delete messages on download? Because if I did, I'd only be able to get mail on one computer.

      Besides, the worth of IMAP and POP3 wasn't what TFA was talking about. He was talking about how M$ would take advantage of the deluge of spam in order to push their own, proprietary mail protocols. Just like they've done with every other open standard they've encountered.

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    3. Re:What's wrong with POP3? by tigga · · Score: 1

      Why replace POP3 (and IMAP)?

      Maybe he meant MAPI, which is used by M$ in Exchange and Outlook.

      The smart thing to do would be to replace SMTP MTAs with something that does server-to-server authentication

      Well, SMTP could go through SSL/TLS - using STARTTLS, or it could go in SSL tunnel (SMTPS).

  43. I don't see why. by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Redundant

    All we have to fear is fear itself, AFAIK SCO has produced nothing worthwhile to back up it's claims.

    I wish the SCO would just die as it deserves, a quiet death without rousing the entire roost with it's antics. It's like believing the boy who cried 'Wolf!' after the fiftieth time..........

  44. Re:More like it... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

    I don't get this karma thingie...what's the big deal...

    Here... I'm spelling MS with a dollar sign: M$ :)

    Sivaram Velauthapillai

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  45. No nonsese. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    If Linux wasn't growing, it could only be said to be growing if there weren't thousands of developers and users (I find it funny that you say testers).

    He's right, he just chose to make a vague statement that could be easily said to be true next year. Compare: BSD must grow or die -- they must release new BSD kernels with new bugfixes and features, or it is dead (ala VMS). True? Yea, but only because it's vague.

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    1. Re:No nonsese. by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

      I think that is the point. The author always makes vague statements (well, the bold ones are usually false) so listening to them is self-defeating, because they can always say they are right (or bolster the credibility of their bold statements by claiming success on the vague ones).

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    2. Re:No nonsese. by LMCBoy · · Score: 1

      If Linux wasn't growing, it could only be said to be growing if there weren't thousands of developers and users (I find it funny that you say testers).

      No, there's an important distinction between testers and users. Linux is not a company, so it doesn't care how many users they are, in the sense that mere users of linux do nothing to help it develop and survive. Testers of linux, however, are contributing, so they count.

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    3. Re:No nonsese. by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 1

      Growing in what arena? I'd like to see linux grow in a practical sense without users.

  46. millions respond to cringely's badtoll cry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grow or die? that makes sense, particularly when there's a small (noisy/nosey) armIE of fauxking felonious ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys payper liesense stock markup FraUD softwar gangster corepirate nazi execrable, plotting/requiring yOUR demise, with robbIE's help?

    no problem.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... that won's on us?

  47. Re:No Union No Politics. by Some+Bitch · · Score: 1
    The reason why those received so much attention was that they had a clear leadership, a clear message and a plethora of voters that would take a direction from their union leaders.

    As has been observed, directing geeks is like herding cats (yes I know, the original was about programmers but I think it works just as well as a generalisation).

    No bunch of geeks is going to be told what to vote by anyone, they're too proud of being "Free Thinkers" to stand for that.

    Of course the number that actually are Free Thinkers is substantially less ;)

  48. Re:We must kill every Muslim man, woman, and child by AndreyF · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    hahaha
    a bit off topic, but i'll bite...

    i do hope you are joking...

    if not (as i suspect) you are a sad, sad, person. personally, i have many, many muslim friends. a lot of which would give me the shirt off their backs... as far as murder and genocide, don't tell me that Christians and Jews are better than any other religion...

    do some real research before opening your mouth and don't talk out of your ass...

    damn. people like you just piss me off.

  49. Amazing by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

    it could mean the end for Real and Apple, both of which also are infringing Burst patents.

    Prediction that Apple will go out of business! Film at 11!

    and will undoubtedly take the leadership away from Apple.

    Ah, yes. The winners are always losers. Makes everyone really want to win. Why don't we all just sell everything to Wal-Mart and let them rename themselves "Everything Inc.?"

    No Apple G6 in 2004, and the company won't sell nearly as many G5s as it hopes.

    What is this? The results of success? Why the fuck would Apple want to develop a G6? What's wrong with the G5? Nobody's even COMPILED anything on it yet.

    By the way, Apple sells an assload of G5s, because those are the coolest fucking computers ever invented. Period. The Cinema Display? Nothing should ever look that good, and iTunes freezes nitrogen.

    Apple has earned some respect and a well-deserved rest. If you want to find failure, this ain't it. Find something else to hype.

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    1. Re:Amazing by blankmange · · Score: 1
      Wow -- relax; there just predictions and it is just Cringely.

      We aren't taking him seriously and neither should you...

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  50. 2004 - the rise of in-game spam? by Spoing · · Score: 1
    In the game Savage, some spammer thought it would be cute to use the voting system to spam us. He didn't last long (another vote kicked him from the game).

    A bad sign for 2004?

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    1. Re:2004 - the rise of in-game spam? by droleary · · Score: 1

      In the game Savage, some spammer thought it would be cute to use the voting system to spam us. He didn't last long (another vote kicked him from the game).

      That would be an interesting direction to take things, but I think the audience is somewhat limited and less than receptive to the ad. It strikes me as something of a mix between astroturfing and product placement. Since all online advertising is suffering, I think ads in general will become more integrated into the online experience. People accuse Slashdot of posting ads as articles, so the line is already blurring between what a news site is and what is merely a front for company PR. How long, assuming it hasn't already happened, before companies simply start to sponsor "users" with names that are the corporate slogan or that happily link to the corporate site when commenting on articles? Not just in-the-sig plugs, but cleverly crafted astroturfing that is on topic, modded up, and will actually get clicks? I think that sort of thing will increase a lot in the coming year.

  51. Re:More like it... by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, karma comes, karma goes.

    I remember PC mags wrote 'Micro$oft' 10 years ago (mainstream DOS/Windows based mags like PCW or PC Magazine) when they were being less than complimentary about 'M$'. It is not a Linux thing, or a UNIX thing, it is a MSFT.O thing.

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  52. Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux development may indeed change, regardless of SCO. Or, to put it more accurately, "free" software development must change from a pure technocracy if it is to wrest control of the consumer space from Microsoft. Now, I realize (and respect) Linus's lack of concern about market share and other trappings of competition; I use Linux precisely because I like the technology associated with it. I am also a technoscenti, which means that my needs are quite different from those of most people.

    Technical excellence can be attained in conjunction with meeting the needs of mundane users. "Free" software has created its own hierarchy of haves and have nots, based on technical prowess; the lords of free software turn up their noses and snort when confronted with needs of the commoners. Able to exist on a purely philosophical level, the technogensia fail to see that free software has reached the edge of its current potential. Apple, Sun, and Red Hat will take "free" software to the next level, where it accomplishes solid, practical tasks for real people.

    So in a sense, Cringley is correct: free software (which he erroneously lumps under "Linux") will change, or it will be replaced in the greater world by something more attuned to the needs of the commons.

    1. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by Telex4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Able to exist on a purely philosophical level, the technogensia fail to see that free software has reached the edge of its current potential. Apple, Sun, and Red Hat will take "free" software to the next level, where it accomplishes solid, practical tasks for real people.

      I don't accept that; your three examples are more different than you make out.

      Apple are a good example of a company that has built almost all of the important user interface stuff themselves, and tacked it onto a Free Software underbelly.

      Sun are a good example of a company that has taken a whole Free Software system, and put a lot of money and work into various Free Software communities that are central to that system (most notably GNOME) and have then packed it all into a Sun-branded commercial OS.

      RedHat are a good example of a company that is right inside the Free Software world, developing lots of different component parts and being fairly agnostic about which parts they use, giving the choice to the user instead whilst selecting certain defaults. They have both a community system (Fedora) and a commercial branded system (RedHat).

      Excepting Apple, almost all Free Software distributors absolutely rely on the good work done in the Free Software community, often aided by themselves, in making the software appropriate for "real people". This doesn't seem to be changing; rather, those projects that really show potential in the user interface world are experiencing huge increases in corporate investment, usability research, bug fixing, etc. GNOME, KDE, Mozilla and OpenOffice are all good examples here.

      I would predict then that in 2004 we sill simply see this trend continue, with more investment, both in terms of money and work, in a dozen or so userland applications.

    2. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      "something more attuned to the needs of the commons."

      I genuinely hope not.
      I want an OS that caters for elitist nerdy schmucks. The commons have their playing pool, I don't want them invading mine.

      YAW.

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    3. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 1

      I stopped reading at Technogensia

    4. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 1

      Which leads, of course, to a bifurcation of the "Linux" world: Those who want a geek-oriented OS will go one way, while people who want to supplant (or at the very least, complement) Windows will go in another.

      There's nothing wrong with that; it's called speciation, and important part of evolution.

    5. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Free" software has created its own hierarchy of haves and have nots, based on technical prowess; the lords of free software turn up their noses and snort when confronted with needs of the commoners.

      Poppycock, rubbish, balderdash and all those other silly-sounding patronizing pejoratives.

      Give me an example of free software developers "turning up their noses" at the needs of the commoners. Free software developers work on what they're interested in. Some of them are interested in making things easy and usable for common users (the KDE and GNOME teams, OpenOffice developers, Mozilla developers, hotplug developers, Knopper, etc.) and some of them are interesting in making the underpinnings fast, reliable and secure (kernel developers, tools developers, apache developers, and some subset of all of the people in the first list).

      Okay, so Linus and company aren't focusing their efforts on newbie-friendly GUIs, but why should they? It's not their area of expertise, or interest. Others are doing that. You may be unhappy about the rate of progress but unless you provide someone a reason to care about your opinion, you have no rational reason to think your ill-defined expectations will be met.

      Apple, Sun, and Red Hat will take "free" software to the next level, where it accomplishes solid, practical tasks for real people.

      More crap. Apple's software is far from Free -- at least the part of it that is for "real people". If you want commercial, by all means buy commercial! Sun and Red Hat (and SuSe/Novell, and Mandrake, and...) are just packaging up the same free software that everyone else has. They're not really building user-friendly solutions on top of the Free software so much as riding the same usability wave everyone else is (though they do contribute a lot to the development of Free software -- excepting Sun, of course).

      No, the main thing that Sun, Red Hat, etc. are providing isn't software, it's services. Those services do in fact help make the software "accomplish solid, practical tasks for real people", but it's hardly reasonable to criticize the developers because they want to write software rather than provide services.

      What's next, are you going to criticize your garbage man because he doesn't come in your house and empty all the trash cans? Or clean your house?

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    6. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 1

      Poppycock, rubbish, balderdash and all those other silly-sounding patronizing pejoratives.

      Well, at least I know your thesaurus is working!

      Free software developers work on what they're interested in.

      Exactly my point -- developers want to write code that scratches their itch, but they aren't very interested in other people's itches. An excellent case in point is GCC, where bugs languish while people work on exciting new developments. Lacking an economic incentive to fix bugs, bugs don't get fixed.

      I can point to many excellent and reliable free softwares -- Apache, for example. However, such projects tend to be techy-oriented tools as opposed to business and office applications.

      Certainly, some free software developers have an interest in users -- but in my experience, users don't really feel like they're receiving that attention. Has anyone actually gone out and *asked* non-programming office workers what they want in an office suite? Instead of cloning Windows and Office, maybe we need to consider how we might provide better tools that make people's lives easier. Why can't free sofwtare provide both easy transition and better tools?

      I don't see much difference between the ivory towers inhabited by Mr. Gates and Mr. Stallman -- their stated objectives may be different, but the end result is disturbingly similar.

    7. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by calyphus · · Score: 1
      Apple's software is far from Free -- at least the part of it that is for "real people".
      Hmm, I pay for the OS but the free add-ons available are a music player, photo tool, easy to use DV editor, DVD authroing, a kick-ass web browser, good-enough email for most, scheduling software, a text editor (really a word processor) that opens Word docs and meets the needs of 99%, plus others, and there is an explosion of 3d-party freeware that supplants commercial software. I can run the GIMP et al.

      I could certainly go on, but just what is it these "real-people" of yours needing that isn't available? Okay, so you have to pay for APPLs PPT replacement, but OO is available.

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    8. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by swillden · · Score: 1

      I said "Free" not "free". Notice the capitalization. Most of those Apple-provided tools that you mentioned are not Free, they're proprietary closed source applications that are included as part of the operating system at no extra charge.

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    9. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go look at any user support list and check out the flames developers dump on users. yote is right.

      it makes users hate linux, not because it is difficult or "not there yet" but because it is perceived to be a private club of complete a-holes.

      all to often, depending on the project and the persons leading it, this is the truth.

    10. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't see much difference between the ivory towers inhabited by Mr. Gates and Mr. Stallman -- their stated objectives may be different, but the end result is disturbingly similar.

      Because Microsoft Word is just like GNU emacs.

    11. Re:Technogensia and the Fate of Free Software by swillden · · Score: 1

      Well, at least I know your thesaurus is working!

      Thesauruses are for cowards and weaklings. Real Men don't use them. Real Men are, however, allowed to use a dictionary to look up the plural of "thesaurus".

      I can point to many excellent and reliable free softwares -- Apache, for example. However, such projects tend to be techy-oriented tools as opposed to business and office applications

      And I can also name many excellent and reliable free software packages that are business and office applications. What's your point? I can also name many proprietary applications that are techy-oriented tools.

      in my experience, users don't really feel like they're receiving that attention

      Hey, the mailing lists are open to anyone who wants to subscribe, and most projects tend to be quite responsive when users point out a need.

      Has anyone actually gone out and *asked* non-programming office workers what they want in an office suite?

      Well, Microsoft never asked me what should go in Office 2003, either. I doubt they seriously asked anyone if they wanted the new DRM features.

      Why can't free sofwtare provide both easy transition and better tools?

      Don't forget security, reliability, automagic installation, every feature needed by ChaoticCoyote, and sock-washing -- all for free!!! And all right now!!!

      Free software development moves in different ways and at a different pace than development of commercial applications. This doesn't mean that it has reached any sort of limit, and it doesn't mean that it's inherently unfriendly to users. Free software is intensely responsive to its user base, and as it obtains a user base that requires certain things, the software will obtain it. Part of this will come from commercial contributions and packagings, and part of it will come from general contributions.

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  53. "I said it first... I said it first!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing like taking current news and claiming it as your own. I have not read this guys predictions before but I can see why he claims a relatively high accuracy rating. At least two of his predictions for this year were already common knowledge at the end of 03 - everyone in the tech field already knows that MS is droping support for everyting prior to win2k soon (4) and there is already wide discussion about spam becoming a problem for IM protocols (3). 11 is just a "finger on the pulse" type of claim that is plain to see and is happening already.

    What I don't really understand is 5 and 6, which seem to almost be mutually exclusive. We all know it's a stock scam, therefor I think 5 will fail to come to pass. 6 I think is very likely though.

  54. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1, Insightful

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  55. predictios by anwyn · · Score: 1

    My friend future events such as these will affect you in the future. Criswell.
    It's tough to find anything when you don't know what your are looking for.
    Can you prove it did not happen? Criswell.

  56. Linux illegal? by Elektroschock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would rather suggest that SCO might be subject of criminal investitagtion. Financial fraud is criminal. Sco almot infringed every possible business rule. Spreading wrong news about "claims" is anti-competitive and sending FUD letters to customers is dirty policy.

    so it depends on the strength of US law and jurisdiction what SCO and its CEO fill face.

    Everybody knows that they are nuts, except the capital market and mainstream journalists. I don't see any reason to worry.

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  57. KDE rules! :) I hope Novell doesn't kill it [NT] by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

    NT

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  58. Rocket Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not hard to make 70% successful predictions if they're as simple, obvious and obtuse as Cringely's. Oh, and I'd've thought that such a luminary would know that it's Instant Messaging, not "Internet Messaging".

    adam

  59. Poor stuff by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not impressed. Predicting the next 12 months on the basis of "more of the same" is not a skill. The skill lies in understanding the underlying trends and extrapolating these.

    SCO impacting Linux? Has Cringely even looked at the market? SCO's attacks on Linux have simply turned up the volume on the debate, they have not actually changed the fundamentals.

    As far as I can see, the fundamentals of IT are:

    1. Ever cheaper technology, including and especially software technology. Software drops in price just like hardware does, but it's starting to be a significant driver.

    2. Ever worse infestation by parasitical software - trojans, spyware, worms, viruses - and the use of this by spammers. This is no longer a sideshow, it is one of the main drivers.

    3. Global competition to lower costs, especially IT costs. Few firms can avoid competition, one way or another, by companies halfway around the globe.

    It all adds up to a big problem for Microsoft and a significant advantage for free/open software, especially Linux.

    Microsoft has tried to sabotage Linux through a variety of strategies, and each time they have failed. 2004 will see the start of serious competition, or serious defeat.

    I predict that Microsoft will produce a "Windows Classic" package in 2004 that combines a cheap Windows OS and Office, for $49.95, or less. This is about the only way it can compete with offerings like Xandros Desktop, which provide a very smooth and complete package for around this price.

    Price, security, simplicity. C'mon, it's so obvious that it hurts to have to say this.

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    1. Re:Poor stuff by RoLi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I predict that Microsoft will produce a "Windows Classic" package in 2004 that combines a cheap Windows OS and Office, for $49.95, or less.

      When they do that, they would lose probably more than half of their revenue and Bill Gates' and Ballmer's stock would become a lot less worth than it is now.

      I predict Microsoft will continue to do selective discounts, or to put it in another way: To offer great rebates to possible defectors while ripping off their loyal userbase.

    2. Re:Poor stuff by argent · · Score: 1

      Now if only Microsoft would come up with a real server OS. I can take BSD, and I'm sure Linux too, and configure it to boot up with nothing more than the single application I'm actually using installed, let alone running. I can boot it from a floppy or a CDROM, with no writable non-volatile storage at all, and do precisely ONE job.

      At the same time I can run it multiuser with multiple environments that can't even see each other, let alone get into each other's files, and run as many instances of as many applications and services as I want... all under a single kernel.

      I can administer it remotely from anything that supports a command line, and run any administration tasks completely scripted.

      The only reason I can't do this kind of thing with Windows is it violates Microsoft's business model: they want to sell me multiple fully configured systems all tied up and locked down with their security model (appropriate or not) and digital rights management. They've tied the OS and applications and shell and GUI up in so many codependant parts it'd take ten years of therapy to get it untangled.

      And you want to know what's funny? SCO is the same way... their OS is so convoluted and kept in such intricate balance with layers of ten and twenty year old patches that have never bean cleaned up... just reapplied to each new kernel... that I would rather use Windows for a server than SCO Unix(where?).

      I think SCO's fate is a precursor to Microsoft's. And I think Microsoft's recent patenting and licensing the godawful FAT file system is a trial balloon... they want to be ready to tie UNIX up with intellectual property red tape if you want to interoperate between Windows and UNIX in any way.

  60. How can I believe predictions ... by GreatBallsOfFire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... from someone who says "Come back in 365 more days and see how I did" meaning come back in one year and be wrong? 2004 is a leap year.

    Seriously, there are a few predictions there that are simply ludicrous, and others are nothing more than simple set up for saying nothing. The linux prediction that everyone here is most interested in is a hollow, say nothing prediction.

    It is best summed up by the last sentence "Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004." Talk about hollow predications. Linux is an active project, so it must do something. At any moment in time, and with every decision, Linux will take a positive or negative direction simply because it is active. Since Cringely's prediction contains both outcomes, he can come back next year and claim success. That is, of course, unless Linux stagnates, which isn't about to happen.

    Shoddy journalism. No more or less. Ignore the article and save time, unless you believe in that sort of thing. If you do, send me all your money and I'll sell you this great bridge connecting Brooklyn and Manhattan ...

    1. Re:How can I believe predictions ... by elflord · · Score: 1
      Seriously, there are a few predictions there that are simply ludicrous, and others are nothing more than simple set up for saying nothing. The linux prediction that everyone here is most interested in is a hollow, say nothing prediction.

      Haven't RTFA for this reason -- Cringely is a moron, and your description/summary of this article is consistent with his earlier articles that I've seen (hey, at least he's "consistent"!) I don't know why slashdot continues to grant this very silly man headline real-estate.

  61. He said it himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more vague the predictions, the more likely they are to not be wrong, you know.

    In particular, the prediction that heads this post was very vague:

    The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has.

    Quite the opposite here. The rest of the world seems to be ignoring this (increased adoption of Linux in major companies and countries, etc.), while the Linux community (particularly Slashdot) has been all too concerned about it.

    Not that I disagree with him. This is a crisis, although Cringely isn't too specific about what that crisis is. This was an attack on the very legitimacy of Linux with the obvious corollary that legitimate software can only be proprietary and protected by IP. I don't think it will succeed because they have to prove that portions of Linux were stolen from them and they have steadfastly refused to provide proof of this.

    No, the real crisis is what he brought up later in his predictions:

    The clever part is how they used a legal case to make public claims that would have caused serious regulatory problems in any other context. We'll see more of this ploy in the future.

    Indeed we will. Whether they started this or not (please, no more flaming about this), Microsoft has certainly not been blind to the effects of this case, they have a war chest of billions to pursue many such frivolous lawsuits and I expect to see this become a part of MS's future "innovations" to "compete" with others in the marketplace. It's a crisis, all right, but a crisis for America's legal system, not for Linux.

    This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise.

    Now, how would a new organizational structure protect against any future idiocies of the SCO kind? The SCO case (in its broader, public case, not in the specific legal case against IBM) is groundless and nobody thinks it will succeed, not even Cringley.

    No, the real problem lies with America's current legal system. As long as companies can launch groundless lawsuits and profit from them without going to trial for years and years, then any company or organization is at risk from them, no matter what their organizational structure is!

    In fact you can make a real case that Linux's organizational structure is exactly what will cause the SCO suit to eventually fail. Were it not for the very public and well-documented structure of logged submissions by individuals to the Linux code-base, SCO might be able to create some doubt about the exact source of the contributions of disputed portions of the code. As it is, they cannot!

    Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.

    I hear this a lot lately. Not just in reference to Linux, but in reference to business and social structures too. Where the hell did anyone get the idea that continued survival is based on growth? Does the mere matter of size guarantee your survival? if it did, the earth would still be ruled by dinosaurs!

    And, frankly, that Linux is growing right now. I have seen a termendous amount of progress in just the last year.

  62. It doesn't follow by Wansu · · Score: 1


    ... that there will be an organizational change in the Linux community, whatever that means. Cringley even goes on to say that this SCO business is a stock scam. I agree with that part. So if it is exposed as a stock scam, why will any organizational change be needed?

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  63. Re:More like it... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

    Since I'm unemployed :( I post a ton of messages. It is not uncommon for me to hit the max posts per day :) So karma is next to useless to me. Unless a ton of my posts get flamed or modded down (always possible with my anti-capitalist messages), my karma probably isn't impacted...

    Sivaram Velauthapillai

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  64. I predict... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that spam will stay for the rest of time.

  65. Doesn't matter by batura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if SCO is found to be correct in this train wreck, it doesn't really matter. IBM would likely buy the company and properly release Linux from all commercial licenses. IBM has way to much invested into open source development and deployment to let anything else happen. End of story. They don't want another company with another monopoly over an OS.

  66. Re:We must kill every Muslim man, woman, and child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, Northern Ireland obviously springs to mind...

  67. My prediction: Napster sues Guardster by rollingcalf · · Score: 1

    ... and Madster, and Friendster. And 50 Cent for his song "Wankster". Hey if Microsoft can sue Lindows, why cant Napster sue the "sters"?

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  68. My only prediction is that he will claim 70% again by dyfet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I read, it seems that any vague set of facts can be sufficient for him to validate a past prediction. I suppose if Linus left Transmeta for OSDL this year rather than last, he would be able to have claimed his 'prediction' on Linux kernel development reorganization in 2004 had been met!

    My only prediction is that at the start of next year he will again claim to be at least 70% correct. But there are some useful trends suggested that are worth considering. I now see why the start of the new year is always such a low moment in readership.

  69. Simple predictions....nothing bold. by sebadore · · Score: 1

    Half the predictions he made, I could have made. And I know hardly anything about technology. Anyone who reads or watches the news regularly could have made these predictions.
    Sophie

  70. Huh Ho Whats wrong with that picture? by Akoma+The+Immortal · · Score: 1
    When you read this, you wonder what he was thinking, or was he thinking at all?

    5) The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.

    This sentence imply that SCO has a case and IP is not taken seriously in the Linux development methods. Get Real. Their is no fearce IP defenders thant the OSS/GNU developpers, and Linux is a prime example of that fact. And by the way which crisis ? Can you be more specific? Or can't you? This is a bold statement.

    6) As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up. By that time, the company executives, insiders, and major investors will have all sold their positions at a handsome profit. This was never more than a stock scam, pushing the price of SCO shares up by more than 15 times. The clever part is how they used a legal case to make public claims that would have caused serious regulatory problems in any other context. We'll see more of this ploy in the future.

    And now, he states that SCO has no CLAIMS. How can you contradict yourself in the same breath and be proud of your wrintings. This one wasn't so hard to predict and nullify the No 5 prediction.

    To take with a grain of salt.

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  71. yes, but by twitter · · Score: 1
    Sorry, anyone with an Inbox and a clue could tell you this.

    Only Bill Gates knows for sure if the next Windoze "update" will turn M$ messaging back on so that it can't be turned off. Still, it's easy to predict a flood of IM "services" that are trojans offered as "free" downloads in banner ads. Pop goes the advert.

    Ugh, the clueless world of non free. It only gets worse.

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    1. Re:yes, but by bsd+troll · · Score: 0

      Ugh, the clueless world of non free. It only gets worse.

      It's great that you have found the road to true enlightenment, open source.

    2. Re:yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You know what "free" needs? A martyr.

      With that in mind, please kill yourself, and please do it as soon as possible. Alternatively, try walking down Main Street of Anytown, spouting your typical embarrassingly closed-minded propaganda, and I'm sure someone will happily do the job for you.

  72. Re:We must kill every Muslim man, woman, and child by AndreyF · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    actually, there was one very recent case I studied in Sociology about a Jewish father claming to be a "better Jew than Abraham" because he did not stop, as abraham did, to kill his two children after his wife recieved full custody when remarrying a christian...

  73. A question begs to be asked... by Moggie68 · · Score: 1

    ..namely what is the connection, if any, between Cringely and Microsoft and Cringely and SCO?

    I am sooooo paranoid.....

    1. Re:A question begs to be asked... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      None.

      Cringley is highly critical of both. He sometimes writes interesting things, but this isn't one of those times.

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  74. What is a prediction ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A recruiter for the Tsar was passing thru a town and noticed a a large number of targets painted on the side of a barn, with a hole thru the center of each one. He asked a villager, who is this fantastic shot ? The villager replied, oh thats joe, but you don't want him for your army. What do you mean - the center of the bulls eye is hit in every target!! This man is a great shot!! Oh said the villager, you see, joe shoots first and then paints the target....
    I mean, predicting that sun will go down aint' batting in a tough league !! All the McNealyey crap is short term flash that has never amounted to much - guy is the biggest con artist int he biz, after decastro

  75. Terrorism by Ann+Elk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From Cringely's article:
    2) We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way.
    Terrorism is more than just killing people. It's about control; about one group forcing its will upon another. Control can be achieved by threats of physical violence. It can also be achieved by destroying economies and "ways of life". (Exactly who are the "terrorists" is left as an exercise for the reader.)
  76. I don't think Linux driver support is broken by anti-NAT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the Linux 2.6.0 kernel, under the "drivers" directory, there are currently 2218 ".c" files :

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    > pwd /usr/src/sys/kernel/linux-2.6.0/drivers
    > find . -name "*.c" | wc -l
    2218
    >
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    Being very conservative, let's say each hardware device supported by Linux requires two .c source files. Using that assumption, that calculates out to 1109 open source drivers in the current Linux kernel. That is a lot !

    Of course, most drivers are only contained within one .c file, and in a number of cases, multiple devices from different vendors may be supported by a single .c file, as the they have used underlying chipsets from the same third party. So the current Linux kernel would support say 3/4 of that 2218 figure, or 1663 devices, which all have fully open source drivers. The figure is probably significantly higher, possibly even greater than the 2218, but we'll stick to 1663 for this example.

    Let's divide that 1663 devices by 10 to get the number of manufacturing vendors. Of course, the figure is likely to be much lower than 10 devices per vendor, probably 5 or less, maybe with an average of 2. However, let's assume 10. That indicates that 166 vendors have 'got' the open source idea, and published their programming specs, or even contributed GPL licensed drivers.

    Linux driver support may appear to be broken because the two major graphics card vendors don't publish programming specifications. However, 2 vendors holding out, compared at least 150 or more who get open source, doesn't make Linux driver support broken.

    The Linux development model has succeeded, as has the Linux philosophy on driver development. It is only the few, high-profile "bad apples" that make it appear to have not been successful.

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    1. Re:I don't think Linux driver support is broken by tigersha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thsw problem is the high profile "bad apples" are exactly those compaies that are on the cutting edge with some really advanced hardware which they would like to keep out of the hands of their competitors.
      NVidia and ATI for example.

      There is not much sense in putting any IP on the programing info for an 8 year old SCSI chipset, and this is where most of those 1000s of C files are.

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  77. Kernal Audit Committee for Copyrights/Attributions by HighOrbit · · Score: 1

    As part of the predicted re-org, maybe an audit committee would be a good idea. Supposedly, there have been some instances where BSD code (some of which really did have a genisis in AT&T ancient unix) has been placed in the Linux Kernal (which is allowed under the BSD license) but had the BSD/AT&T copyrights stripped/unattributed (which in not legal under the BSD licence). Now might be the opportunity to formally audit the entire code base and make sure that all the BSD/AT&T code is properly attributed. I know there have been some informal efforts at this, but I'm not aware of any official Kernel.org effort. Not only will it make the Linux community look better, but it would undercut SCO, plus its the right thing to do.

  78. Death.. by wfberg · · Score: 1

    I predict that next year, Linux will be as dead as BSD and apple.

    If that's death, do you want to live?

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  79. You're 1 for 15 by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    I like Cringely too - I think his "Accidental Empires" book is an excellent read.

    My only suggestion is that if you are going to say his predictions are vague, you need to provide a few more examples than just one. That tends to suggest that is other 14 aren't !

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  80. how's the weather up there? by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I am also a technoscenti, which means that my needs are quite different from those of most people. ... "Free" software has created its own hierarchy of haves and have nots, based on technical prowess; the lords of free software turn up their noses and snort when confronted with needs of the commoners.

    What planet do you live on? On my plannet there's a guy named Knopper who made a CD that runs and self configures on just about any computer without taking any hard drive space. Knoppix has two sets of replacements for the world's most popular software. It sets up with a KDE 3 desktop that has proved itself just as easy to learn and use as Windoze XP, but it also has Window Maker and other choices. Networking is autoconfigured and it comes with two browsers that block popups and have tabbed browsing. It also has a choice of superior email clients that are not liable to root your machine and come with spell checkers. If that's not enough for the average user then comercial software vendors, such as Microsoft have failed misserably. Because there's so much space on a CD, Mr. Knopper decided to put two office productivity suits in. The Open Office suite not only reads Microsoft's file formats, it comes with a database replacement for access. Microsoft charges lots of money for it's little productivity suite and charges even more for the "pro" version that has the database. Because users like choice, Knoppix also has KOffice, yet another productivity suite that's easy to use. Oh sure, Knoppix comes with power toys, like a compiler, GUI IDEs, disk and network management tools and other geeky things. All of this on one no cost CD that configures itself. Is that meeting the needs of "mundane users"?

    I dare you to compare that with commercial offerings. Show me a "mundane user" who can wade through the multiple CD, floppy and reboot process that is a Windoze install. How much did that cost, $150? Oh sure, "the computer comes configured." That works great until Bill turns the upgrade crank two years later. Then the crap breaks and the user is stuck. Tell me a happy story about restore disks and I'll tell you a sad one about broken hard disks that screw it up. I don't even want to mention user data that gets lost in the process, unless said "mundane user" goes down to the computer store and spends about as much money as a working used computer costs. Hey, did that restore CD have an office suite? Nope, all your fave software is gone, sorry.

    Let's sum up the differences for the works:

    Free

    • little or no cost.
    • self configuring
    • works on any computer
    • easy to replace

    Non-Free

    • $200 OS, $500 office suite, more $100s for decent music, photo editing, painting, star charting, whatever you really want to do
    • needs OS and hardware specific drivers that can confound experts
    • mated with a single computer via "product registration" for life

    Who's meeting the needs of users again? Is it those nice people at Gator?

    Free software will always be a meritocracy because everyone is free and invited to participate. The best of breed will always rise and users will always be served. When someone makes a cool toy or tool, everyone wins. The non-free world will always have powerful haves, who hoard their tricks, and helpless have-nots who beg for software. Always, that is, until it's apparent to everyone that free software fills every need beter than any marketroid wet dream of sales. You and Cringerly will get it soon enough. Until then, I wish you would shut up.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:how's the weather up there? by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We're talking apples and oranges here. I'm quite fond of Knoppix (and have hopes for Gnoppix as well); I just used it to convert my wife's Windows laptop to GNU/Linux/KDE. Price is not the issue in this debate -- attendance to user needs is.

      For example, I miss the graphing abilities of Excel; OpenCalc and Gnumeric simply don't compare. The usual "free" response is to use gnuplot or some other outside package, or to modify Gnumeric myself. I'm certainly capable of doing both, but I haven't the time; I'd prefer a "we've haven't had time to do that yet" over the more typical "we don't give a damn, quit complaining."

      As you point out, Microsoft is equally guilty of indifference to users, given that they are far more concerned with sales and marketing than with whether their software runs reliably or well. Sadly, users get screwed by both sides of the software spectrum, albeit for different reasons.

    2. Re:how's the weather up there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wish you would shut up

      I wish the same of you, but you've still got gallons of hot air to expell. There is an old saying that goes, "The best part of the Internet is that everyone can have a voice. The worst part is that everyone does." I have a hunch, just a hunch, that this was written with you in mind.

      I bet you're awfully popular at parties with the attitude you have.

  81. Re:I predict... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dumbshit... cringley didn't even post the story... someone else did.

  82. Inconsistent predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5) The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.

    6) As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up. By that time, the company executives, insiders, and major investors will have all sold their positions at a handsome profit. This was never more than a stock scam, pushing the price of SCO shares up by more than 15 times. The clever part is how they used a legal case to make public claims that would have caused serious regulatory problems in any other context. We'll see more of this ploy in the future.


    The above two predictions are inconsistent. If the second of the two is true, then there would be no reason for the first to be true.

  83. Thank you, capt. obvious by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Pretty much all of his observations are pretty obvious, except where he gets things wrong (i.e. nintendo using Cell).

    But I suppose looking only a year into the future, you can't be too grandiose.

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  84. Closed-format is irrelevant by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 1
    Closed Format: iTMS uses a closed standard. What is the market share of Apple vs Windows computers? People want a compatible service.

    You can play iTMS songs on either Macs or PCs. So relative market share of the two computer systems is irrelevant.

    The only place where market share is relevant is in MP3 players, because iPods are the only one that plays AAC with Fairplay DRM. However, in that area, Apple with its iPods have a commanding part of the market.

    Based on market share, I would argue that on-line stores should embrace AAC with Fairplay. Note, Apple doesn't own Fairplay, Veridisc does (http://64.244.235.240/)

  85. These are poorly thought out attacks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....corporate numbers sure are decent, then what basis is there for saying they are performing badly?

    Did you RTFA? He claims that HP/Compaq did not make as much money as it would have if they had they remained separate.

    Pick a low quality (costly) product. It comes under pressure from a free high quality product. The low quality (costly) product comes under pressure. A 3rd grade kid could draw that line of reasoning.

    Only a 3rd grade kid WOULD draw that line of reasoning! It's a frighteningly all to common situation where inferior products dominate the market despite availability of superior alternatives.

  86. Sco do not have to be right to have a point. by Tallus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With all due respect I think some people have a tendency to assume that since Sco's claim is likely to be false that is the end of the issue - its not.

    As a thought experiment assume that suddenly Sco do come up with some code. So we can just rip it out and replace it and everythings back to normal right? Of course not. Imagine I break into your house and steal your stereo. Six months down the line you come round my house and find it, so I give you it back and go and buy a new one. Would that make everything alright - of course not.

    The one argument of Sco's that I do not see being fully addressed concerns the lack of oversight. Sco argue that open source development is fundamentally flawed because of a lack of it, or a least a formal structure to deal with it - and this may well be the point Cringely is pushing at. It would only take I line of code for there to be a argument to answer to, and even if there isn't that argument might still have validity.

    So to continue the experiment, what if they do come up with goods? what if they don't but companies start to feel the chill? The stage is set for somebody to come along and say Linux is a great thing, but its a little too anarchic, what it needs is a formal structure. (Guess what? someone might just have said it). At this point the stage is set for large vested interests to come in and say we've got the money, we've got the people, the most efficient thing to do is set up a top down structure(that just happens to have us in control).

    At this point the free and open nature of the process is under threat - it isn't *just* about the code - it never is - in this field or any other. In the worse case scenario Linux could effectively become just another coporate product - but one backed up by unpaid labour - and how long would it last. The GPL does provide a good gurantee - you can always fork (as long as the GPL holds) - but this could just translate to death by a thousand cuts.

    Don't think that popular open movements can't be taken over by self-interest masquerading as efficiency - outside computing it has happened time, and time again.People need to start thinking seriously about these issues. We need to consider how we can create structures that can answer these issues without compromising the open nature of the free software process. Don't think of this as a dumb prediction, think of it as a wake up call

    --
    Paul M

    "There are no innocent bystanders. What where they doing there in the first place"
    William S Burroughs

    1. Re:Sco do not have to be right to have a point. by fmouse · · Score: 1

      You're falling into one of the fallacies about Open Source development oversight that SCO is trying to get everyone to buy. The fact is that Open Source development has extremely good oversight of IP in code, and the Linux kernel has a well-defined formal structure and organization for development, headed by Linus Torvalds.

      Torvalds as well as the Free Softeware Foundation developers who contribute the GNU code to GNU/Linux appear to be far more concerned about incorporating proprietary code into their work than do many companies which develop and market proprietary code. See this Groklaw article for some good examples.

      Additionally, while SCO would have us think that GNU/Linux end users are liable for IP infringement in Linux because there's no established company to sue, this is a tenuous and untested legal theory. Copyright is about copying. Use is about using. Using Linux is not illegal, nor can it be an infringement of SCO's copyrights, no matter what SCO says.

      SCO's scare tactics are just that. They're on a shakedown expedition to try to collect IP royalties. If they were serious about targeting IP infringement they would put their cards on the table and declare what code in Linux is a problem for them, but they're running a classic protection racket, and unless and until they publicly tell us where the beef is, then they have no moral high ground on which to demand anything more than scorn and contempt.

      I suggest you visit Groklaw's website and review the archives on the SCO/Linux issues before you start basing presumptions on SCO's erroneous FUD.

      --
      "Everything works if you let it" - The Flying Mouse
  87. He got one more right by whitroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cringely wrote:
    "I was wrong in my mysterious prediction of a new electronic way to foment social change. I just never got around to doing it myself (that was the plan), so I'll have to accept that I was wrong."

    I don't see his email, or I'd email him directly...but he *did* get that one right: consider Howard Dean and Meetup.

    mark "did I mention ?"

    1. Re:He got one more right by calyphus · · Score: 1

      The Dean/Meetup angle occured to me also. However, it doesn't yet fit his prediction. Dean certainly has gathered a significant following, but until he defeats Bush this doesn't actually qualify as fomenting social change. At this point Meetup is a phenomenal extension of affinity groups previously limited to classified ads for recruitment, but what real social change have they wrought.

      --


      The potato it is uninformed.
  88. Misconception about cyberterrorism by Kid+Brother+of+St.+A · · Score: 5, Insightful
    2) We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way. When it comes to terrorism, all that matters are body counts. We will, however, see dramatic growth in cyber-extortion and plain old theft.
    I certainly hope Cringley is right that there will be no big examples of cyber-terrorism. But there are at least two issues that he is getting wrong in this prediction.

    1. Terrorism is NOT just about body counts, it is about the ability to get a group to accede to your wishes by force or threat of force. Killing people is an effective way to do this but it is not the only way. In a highly wired country like the USA, a single cyberterrorist act that cripples the nation's infrastructure and/or economy is just as effective in producing terror as threatening to crash a plane into a building.

    2. Cyberterrorism need not be separate from other acts of terrorism. A cyber attack could well be a component of a large, complex attack. So even if a large cyberterror attack were improbable, it doesn't rule out small ones that are done as one piece of a much larger attack. (For example, using electronic means to extort or steal money, as Cringley admits is likely, could finance another 9/11 attack.)
    1. Re:Misconception about cyberterrorism by Imperator · · Score: 1
      could finance another 9/11 attack
      I've never seen a figure for what the 9/11 attack actually cost to pull off. I suspect it was actually quite low, even if you count the overhead of running the various terrorist cells that contributed. I'm not sure that cutting off funding is really an effective tactic against the sort of terrorist threats the US faces. OTOH, following the money might lead you to the terrorists themselves, which would be useful.
      --

      Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
    2. Re:Misconception about cyberterrorism by Kid+Brother+of+St.+A · · Score: 1

      Here's a quote from Beyond Fear by Bruce Schneier about the financing of the 9/11 attacks:

      The terrorists turned four commercial airplanes into flying bombs, killed some 3,000 people, destroyed $40 billion in property, and did untold economic damage. They altered the New York skyline as well as the political landscape of the U.S. and the whole world. And all this was done with no more than a thirty-person, two-year, half-million-dollar operation. [my emphasis]

      Those figures aren't straight from the investigators but I don't believe they would be far off.

  89. Re:No Union No Politics. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    However, not until China, India or some other place starts directly ripping off software and rereleasing it for sale.

    Where have you BEEN? China has been outright stealing technology for years and getting away with it. How do you think they industrialized so quickly? Magic? Space aliens? The only difference between the way China bootstrapped themselves and the way Japan did it is that we rebuilt Japan's industry in the post WWII era and essentially made them a gift of our then-current industrial technology. On the other hand, China is a thinly-veiled potential enemy who has shown no compunction whatsoever against taking whatever they need from us, by any means, including espionage and outright theft of military and industrial secrets. What will it take for corporate America to wake up and learn that China does not view "business" and competition the same way that Western cultures do. They will do whatever it takes to win, with no regard to matters of legality or business ethics as we understand them. That does not mean that we can't successfully do business with China, but it does mean that we had better take the maxim "know thine enemy" to heart, and make some real efforts to understand their business culture. Right now we're simply giving away everything that our own corporations and taxpayers invested trillions to develop, for no other reason than the personal greed of our politicians and corporate leaders.

    It hasn't helped matters one bit that members of our Federal Government, both elected and unelected, are so accessible to foreign powers. It's bad enough when our own major corporation and special interest groups buy favorable law, but it is much worse when foreign powers do it. Read up on a some of the back-room trade deals made with China ... it's pretty scary stuff. Many foreign governments (Germany, for example) have some rather stiff penalties applied to anyone (domestic or otherwise) attempting to unduly influence a member of their government. Its considered treasonous, actually. Perhaps we should look into a similar application of the law here in the U.S.

    And that end run happens far more quickly if you have a Jack Valenti or Hillary Rosen. You need clear and distinct leaders to illustrate these points backed by a large slate of either developers (union) or small businesses...

    And I'm sorry, but what I absolutely do NOT need as a software developer is representation by a Jack Valenti or a Hilary Rosen. Once again ... where have you BEEN? The people "represented" by those whores have been on the losing end of that particular stick since their respective organizations were established. No thank you ... I'd rather write my Congressman on the issues I find important and encourage others to do the same than trust some unelected "trade organization" or union to represent my interests. One could easily argue that unions have done more damage to the American worker, his employers, and the economy than good, and I, for one, will never be joining one. Ask the starving artists "represented" by Hilary Rosen and her crew just how much that representation (and I use term loosely) has cost them. Your point that political power is more effective when focused is valid, but your choice of examples does not help your case.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  90. easy. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Linux has to grow or die: how can this be not true?

    By being completely stupid? How does free software "grow"? How does it "die"? These are comercial software concepts that have no meaning in the free software world.

    Today, as it was before there was commercial software, free software grows when someone scratches an itch. Someone takes code and makes it do what they want. The result is more free code. Comercial code, on the other hand, grows when a marketing department convinces a user that thier particular program meets the user's needs better than anything else available. It's a cancer that chokes and kills healthy growth. The ultimate expression of comercial software growth is Bill Gates insane "one computer one OS", dreams of world domination and advertising that claims Microsoft Office will make you superman. Comercial software grows at the expense of real user needs. Free software grows by meeting needs.

    Free software never really dies. I've never heard of a program that met one person's needs that was not useful to another person, if for nothing other than a starting point to meet their own needs. As long as a single copy of any free software exists, it will be used. Chances are, that anyone using any free software will make it available and it will grow if something better does not exist. It's easy to share source code. Comercial software, on the other hand, dies all the time for reasons that have nothing to do with merit or need. Any comercial software company that does not have enough money to pay it's bills is finished. The source code is then hoarded as a valuable asset and generally bought for pennies on the dollar of it's development cost by a competitor who locks it up or destroys it.

    Indeed, it can be said that the ultimate fate of comercial software is to conquer or die. This is Cringerly's mind set and it has nothing to do with free software.

    The easy prediction for free software is that it will grow.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Perhaps you should try *writing* some fucking software instead of just mouthing off about how it's "teh bestest becuase its teh freer".

      Fucking wacko.

  91. Talk about vague, how can he be wrong? by nhorman · · Score: 1

    How can Cringley miss on his SCO/Linux Prediction? He's effectively stated that the SCO case will blow up, and Linux will either change something or go away. In what scenario is he wrong about this. I think its a given that sooner or later SCO will explode, but what else does Linux know how to do, other than adapt to the current environment? Linux version 0.01 isn't the 2.4 kernel, nor is the 2.4 kernel the same as the 2.6 kernel. Its always changing and adapting to current technology needs. If some of those happen to be legal, so be it (although I think this will all result in sharper teeth for the GPL in the end). Anywho, Cringley will claim he's spot on next january, but theres no way he really can't be, as he's predicted the only possible outcomes.

  92. FROM AN APPLE FANATIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They had announced it would come during 2003. You are mixing the announcement date and the announcement.

  93. A Long-Winded Response by PunkXRock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I usually enjoy Cringley's columns, but this one annoyed me to the point of posting a response to each of his "predictions". For the most part, they're so incredibly vague as to be worthless.

    1) It will happen late in the year, but Microsoft will make a bold run for video game leadership...

    Didn't Microsoft already do this, with the XBox? And let's just say MS decides to -announce- the next console - can we have some predicted specs? No? Then all this prediction says is "Microsoft will announce their next console." Fine, this one actually has a bit of substance, actually puts Cringley in the position of being distinctly right or wrong. Of course, the XBox is now almost 2 years old (launched in Nov of 2001), so it's not unreasonable to assume the announcement of a new console, particularly given how early the XBox itself was announced.

    2) We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way...

    This seems like fluff to me. Did anyone ever predict "cyber-terrorism"? I know it's not something I'm worried about. If al qaeda (or whoever) stop my email for a week, hey, that's less work for me. It doesn't inspire terror. In fact, little that could be done online has the potential to cause terror, save for the goatse.cx man, and possibly this.

    To paraphrase, "I was right last year, so let me try again this year." Watch, I can do it too, with a high probability of success - "We again won't see the launch of nuclear weapons". And hey, if I'm wrong, you probably won't be able to hold me to it anyway.

    3) Despite new anti-spam laws, we'll still be plagued with unsolicited commercial messages, especially using Internet Messaging protocols.

    Oh my god, what a bold prediction! Surely this Cringley is possessed of a preternatural ability for soothsaying. Spam will still be a problem! Perhaps I can pay this man for tomorrow's lottery numbers, or for a Super Bowl pick. Then it's off to the bookie...

    Sorry, my sarcasm got the best of me. To be fair, he does predict possible new email protocols, but he doesn't address whether they will be accepted, or even considered.

    4) Continuing the security theme, look for lots of software companies to abandon support for old products and platforms.

    Microsoft JUST announced they were dropping Windows 98 support. And companies do this all the time. Is he predicting a rise in this type of decision?

    "Companies will abandon old products to get you to upgrade." Once again I am shocked!

    5) The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has.

    This one has everyone here talking, but what does it really say? Linux will either continue to grow or start to die in 2004. Well, I mean, yeah. Obviously. Linux has BEEN growing for years now, so if it continues to grow, well look, he was right. Oh, and if in 5, 10 years, it's dead? Well, look, he was probably right, it probably started in 2004, or at least it may have. This is a non-prediction. Something will happen, or it won't. All this rules out is Linux stagnating, and who can judge that? What are the odds that every flavor of Linux will stop making major updates, but continue to make minor updates (and thus, not grow, but not die?).

    6) As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up...

    SCO will finally crumble under the weight of their legal lies, you say? I'm sure I speak for much of the Slashdot community, and Cringely's largely geek audience in general, when I say "Yes, we know".

    7) 2004 will be a crucial year for streaming media... At first, this doesn't sound like much of a prediction. Then, he says MS will settle, which

    1. Re:A Long-Winded Response by meznak · · Score: 1

      Of course, the XBox is now almost 2 years old (launched in Nov of 2001)

      last I checked, Nov 2001 -> Jan 2004 is a little over two years..

      it's easy to criticize and tear apart the works of others

      I concur.

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      Evil is the money of all root.
    2. Re:A Long-Winded Response by babbage · · Score: 1
      14) IT outsourcing, as covered ad nauseum in this column, will become a political issue in the 2004 U.S. Presidential campaign...
      Interesting. But how big a political issue? I don't think the masses will give a damn. Will this be one of the 5 key issues in the presidential race? I don't think so. Is Cringely saying it will be? Nope, he's just being vague. It'll be an issue. Yeah, it'll probably come up.

      This isn't how I would have phrased this one. The big issue, in my eyes, is not just the export of IT jobs, but the export of white collar & service jobs, of which occupations like "programmer" and "call center support" are examples, along with "accountant", "engineer", "economist", etc.

      As the saying goes, when manufacturing jobs move overseas, that's just how the economists say globalization works, but economist jobs start moving overseas, that's when globalization breaks down.

      IT is just the visible tip of the spear, from Slashdot's point of view, but the real story is that the exodus of jobs that started decades ago with blue collar jobs is now moving up the economic ladder.

      Seeing as this has the potential to undermine the foundations of the US economy in the long run, I can see this subject being the kind of material that presidential campaigns could be won or lost by. But if that's where things go, the IT facet of the story is probably just going to be a footnote, not the headline.

      I think this formulation of Cringeley's prediction is a lot more concrete, and also a lot more likely.

  94. 1 is obvious, 2 is obvious, 3 is obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love Cringe, but I can do that too. It's just too easy. Just say 10 obvious things out of 14 and you can easily get to be right 70% of the time...

    1 thru 4 are all obvious.

    5- For better or worse, Linux has already grown. For instance, Red Hat can do whatever they want with their Enterprise line, which already includes a non-standard Kernel. Fragmentation is possible, but it will not lead to Linux's demise, since such thing is impossible. Linux will never become abandonware, unless it's replaced by something much better and just as free (as in speech). Not sure Hurd would be it, though.

    6, 7, and 8 are all obvious.

    9 - the Apple TV claim is not so obvious, but iPod and other small devices are very likely

    10 is a good one. Not obvious to me. Alas, storage IS the big problem for 2004. Clusters are solving the processing power issue quite nicely. On the storage side, we have the capacity, but what about throughtput? I don't know anyone working in IT that's happy with speed they can haul data around.

    11 is obvious.

    12 - I don't know if Wal-mart will be so successful with WMA. Too many MP3 players can't play them files. So it's not so obvious. Good one and I hope Wal-mart will come around and use some other format. DRM is stupid stupid stupid. Better to trust people, because the pirates will get their way regardless.

    13 - Who cares what's in a name? If they continue to sell only G5, what's wrong with that? This would be as relevant as saying that Intel won't bring any Pentium V chips to market. That doesn't mean the Pentium IV line won't advance...

    14 and 15 are obvious and in fact have been happening for the last few years. This can't even be called a prediction.

  95. I, Cringley, idiot by Solid+Paradox · · Score: 1

    Last year:

    -Snip-
    A year ago, I wrote that HP/Compaq would continue its long slide to oblivion, and if you look underneath the corporate numbers, you'll see I was correct. The promised synergies have been minimal, growth nonexistent, and the companies are several billion dollars behind where they would have been had they remained separate.
    -Snip-

    A lot of people made that prediction inside HP when the merger was first brought up. It was more than obvious to most people in the busisness. Remember unisys (Sperry and Burroughs) a few years ago?

    -Snip-
    I wrote that Linux would continue to give Microsoft fits (that's true) and that Microsoft would be forced to compete on quality. This latter part is hard to call because Microsoft CLAIMS to be competing on quality, but I think that's still more marketing than reality. Overall though, I think I got this one correct.
    -Snip-

    You predicted this? You must be a genius. Along with everyone else in IT and hundreds of "market analysts". At least most of them didn't make the "quality" prediction - they predict, correctly, it would continue with the same strategy: a lot of marketing and FUD.

    -Snip-
    I was wrong, too, in my prediction that Microsoft would force Intel to adopt AMD's 64-bit Opteron instructions. I'll point out, however, that Microsoft and AMD continue to work more closely on 64-bit development than do Microsoft and Intel.
    -Snip-

    Maybe you were not so wrong on this one, give it a year and see what happens...

    -Snip-
    correctly predicted that V.92 modem development would stall, but that nobody would care.
    -Snip-

    Damn! You must have some weird superpower (like time travel or the abillity to talk to the dead - 'cause they can predict the future) to be able to know this.

    -Snip-
    I predicted that Microsoft's Palladium security plan, now called Trustworthy Computing, would be distrusted and stall. That looks right to me.
    -Snip-

    Does anyone _trust_ microsoft? And on top of that, the security industry is full of paranoid people - it has to be. Here's a small list of what is not sought after in the security biz (IT or not): "trusting", "gullible" and "relaxed".

    -Snip-
    that 802.11a wireless networking would be overtaken by 802.11g.
    -Snip-

    You do make some BOLD predictions...

    -Snip-
    And finally, I correctly predicted a rise of web log aggregators and search engines.
    -Snip-

    I'm glad you were right, I love my slashdot feed.

    Now, this year's predictions:

    -Snip-
    Microsoft will make a bold run for video game leadership. Sony and Nintendo have both chosen IBM's Cell Processor for their next-generation game consoles. This is a processor that does not yet exist and for which nobody can fathom how to write games. While the two Japanese companies scratch their heads, Microsoft will be trying to make inroads with game developers and introduce its own next-generation machine. In the long run, though, Microsoft won't succeed in taking the gaming lead.
    -Snip-

    Microsoft already made a "bold run for video game leadership". It failed and will never succeed. Anyone can tell you that.

    -Snip-
    We will, however, see dramatic growth in cyber-extortion and plain old theft.
    -Snip-

    Dramatic? No. It will simply continue to grow. It has been growing for a while now...

    -Snip-
    Despite new anti-spam laws, we'll still be plagued with unsolicited commercial messages, especially using Internet Messaging protocols. Look for new and unenforceable laws in this area, too. As for old fashioned spam, it will continue to cram our inboxes, making a good business for third-party anti-spam products and services while making e-mail pretty much useless for reliable communication. Microsoft will see opportunity here and propose new protocols to replace SMTP and POP3. They may even offer those protocols as Open Source, but there will be a catch. With Microsoft there always is.
    -Snip-

    Offcourse spam will continu

  96. So what? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
    5) The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.
    So what?

    Most significant Linux development is outside of the US anyways, where the SCO pissing contest is but a source of entertainment as it demonstrates the terminal stupidity of americans.

    But who'll care??? After Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (despite the violent destabilization campaign waged there by the USA) start selling their petroleum in Euros, the US dollar won't be worth the paper it's printed on, and no one will care about the 'mericans any more.

  97. SCO vs. Linux - There is no danger! by Teckla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know I'm just stating the obvious here, but it seems worth mentioning, in case people really believe Cringely's "the sky is falling" claim regarding SCO and Linux.

    First, there is Linux the kernel, and there is Linux the full featured operating system. The only thing in any danger is Linux the kernel, which is just a part of Linux the operating system. So, right off the bat, the potential danger is localized.

    Second, once SCO is compelled by the courts to reveal the allegedly infringing code - if there is any - the Linux community will quickly replace it, and Linux will be back on track.

    If, for some reason, replacing the allegedly infringing code is not possible, there are other kernels to turn to, including but not limited to the excellent BSD kernel (Free, Net, Open).

    This SCO nonsense is just good entertainment for us, and a foolish money sink for companies like IBM that have to put up with SCO's obnoxiousness.

    There's nothing to see here. Move on.

    -Teckla

  98. Don't panic! by cpghost · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hitchkiker's Guide to /. Linux Users: Don't Panic!

    There's no reason to panic(9), should the current Linux implementation be declared illegal in a US court:

    • Linux itself is only the kernel of a Unix-like operating system. It can be easily replaced with a clean-room implementation, that is absolutely unencumbered (provided that SCO's claims were justified, which will have to be shown in court).
    • Alternative Unix-like kernels are per se easy to develop in a very short time-span. That's also the reason why Unix has been ported to so many architectures in the past! Besides, if Linus Torvalds was able to do it as a CS student (later with the help of a great community), so will others. There's no deep black magic in a kernel, that can't be re-invented. Besides, a lot of Linux codebase is unencumbered, and can be reused. We could perhaps even go back to 2.2.x and redo the parts that may be problematic.
    • It's really about interfaces, not about kernel internals. A Unix-like kernel provides a POSIX interface to userland programs through a standardized C library (among others). As long as a kernel provides this interface, programs will run unmodified.
    • Remember: POSIX interfaces are standardized, which also means that it is legal to write against this specification. SCO can't win a suit by claiming that a POSIX kernel is using "their" interfaces! It is only illegal to use their copyright-protected specific implementation.
    • Oh, yeah, nearly all Linux programs run on BSD, even without the need to recompile anything. Even if Linux kernels were to be declared illegal, we'd still have a fully legal replacement "kernel" for our favorite applications. Of course, SCO (backed by you-known-who) will try to attack BSD next (as already announced), but that would open a can of worms that is much worse than the current anti-Linux stance they're adopting! It's very unlikely to happen, and their chances to win are even smaller. But even here, the same principles apply: there's nothing that can't be replaced.

    But this is only theoretical. It is most likely that a judge will require that some code be purged from the Linux kernel; code that can be really easily hacked up in a few hours or days.

    DONT'T PANIC! (The Hitchhiker's Guide to /. Linux-Users)

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    1. Re:Don't panic! by nutshell42 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hitchkiker's Guide to /. Linux Users: Don't Panic!

      SCO:
      Mostly Harmless

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    2. Re:Don't panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember: POSIX interfaces are standardized... It is only illegal to use their copyright-protected specific implementation.

      Actually, standards can (and sometimes do) incorporate patented technology that would be required to implement any standards-compliant product. Typically, standards bodies require "reasonable and non-discriminatory" licensing terms from such patent holders. But it is not the case that just because some method is in some standards document, it is public domain and unencumbered for all uses.

    3. Re:Don't panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reason to Panic is not that Linux may be declared illegal itself, but that the Open Source development process behind Linux may be declared to be "unable to ensure the legality/authenticity of the produced IP".

      This would not just require replacing the Linux kernel. It would make any software based on the Bazaar methodology potentially illegal and kill both commercial creation and commercial/professional use of such software.

  99. How to protect Linux in a Cringely future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First - use (very)weak encryption on the source code and distributed binary kernel, and make the decryption of both dependent on the fact that you're not SCO or any other baddies, and then use the DMCA to pound them into submission when they circumvent our protection devices.

    I think I'm on to something. The DMCA is evil, but it is simply an evil tool. Used in chaotic neutral hands, it can spell doom for the wicked.

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  101. That's a little like saying... by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..some time in the next year you're going to have conflict with someone you care about very much. The future of Linux is no longer in doubt, it's past the tipping point and rolling downhill. At this point it would be like trying to stop the wind. Even if my some miracle of purchased justice or legislation it was stalled here, US actions are not going to stop it from spreading in the rest of the world. But I don't think that's going to happen, either. The GPL is actually pretty good and based on US copyright law. Telling people they can't donate their time and code to a community project would raise 1rst amendment issues, not that Bush and his thugs care about that but legally it would be a tough sell. And almost every company is benefiting from OSS in some way by this time, so every day the political landscape is changing, too. I think the proprietary software industry is doing all it can. Attacking any OSS project politically, spinning an aura of fear, discounting to hang on to customers. If there were other legal avenues, they'd be using them already, SCO notwithstanding. But Cringley may be right in one aspect, it is getting near the point when Linux needs to be more unified and this year may be it. Either way it's still the best show in town. All the really fun stuff in IT is happening around Linux and OSS.

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  102. legalibility of linux by mikkom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How could linux be declared illegal, even in the US, the land of strange patent laws? There is no lawsuit that is going to declare linux illegal.

    Also, copyright infringements and legality are two very separate issues, in fact the current case (SCO vs IBM) is not even a copyright lawsuit, it is about SCO alleging that IBM has broken their contract with SCO. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with legality of Linux.

  103. MOD PARENT UP UP UP by abe+ferlman · · Score: 1

    This is exactly what I thought when I read this. Dean was a long shot candidate like Kucinich at the start of the race, now he's the front runner for the nomination for leader of the free world.

    Joe Trippi is a Jedi. Cringely is smarter than he realizes.

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  104. He has a pretty good argument against Outsourcing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't help but notice prediction Number 14. "IT outsourcing, as covered ad nauseum in this column, will become a political issue in the 2004 U.S. Presidential campaign. Whichever candidate comes out in opposition to outsourcing will have the advantage. And they'll be correct, though the extent of real damage to the U.S. economy and IT industry won't be apparent to those bozos for several more years." He goes into details about his own percieved dangers of this practice here.(scoll down)

  105. Sunset.... by hughk · · Score: 1
    Suns are nice because you can get some nice big ones, you can even cluster them and Solaris isn't a bad kernel. Of course, if Sun decided to, then it may be easy to commercially run Linux on the high-end boxes (E15Ks and above). They have domains and other stuff that Linux needs at the

    Sun had a bit of a lock-in with Solaris. The thing is that since Linux has become popular, the binary lock-in doesn't really count for a lot. It is to Sun's advantage if they decide that the high-end hardware business is what they want, then they can move away from Solaris and benefit from lower costs. To lever there high-end hardware, they would need to get some features into the kernel that may be beneficial to others (like domains), but on the whole, it would be an improvement.

    Either they get it, or they lose out. They have already lost at the lower end (desktops).

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    1. Re:Sunset.... by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 1

      I'm not that familiar with Sun stuff. I used them in my previous employment (but I wasn't a system admin or making purchasing decisions). So you would know more than me. You say that the high end hardware is nice. That may have been true in the past. But is it still true? Can't the high-end x86 like Itanimum and AMD Opteron compete? It seems to me that the high-end Sun systems aren't as good relative to the x86. I don't work in the field and don't know much. But I don't know... I mean, can't you cluster the high-end x86 ones for similar performance (with a better price/performance ratio)?

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    2. Re:Sunset.... by hughk · · Score: 1
      It really depends on what you are looking for. Itanium is a crap architecture and it isn't a high-end x86 (half the problem). IMHO, HPaq should have pressed Intel to produce faster and cheaper Alphas. AMD is another story.

      However, the processor is just a part of it. A high-end Sun boxes offers muliple PCI buses as well as other I/O interfaces. It is I/O throughput that makes high-end commercial computers for most people. The other issue is execution domains. This allows you to assign procesors to domains that run particular processes. This gives you fine grained control over who runs what. When IBM runs Linux on a Z series, they run multiple instances of Linux as virtual machines under a host operating system. VMs can be assigned processors to allow them to increase their power or redundancy. However VMs can and do share processors. The problem is that the host system is propietary IBM. There are efforts to do this with Linux, such as VMWARE, or as open-source, Xen but they don't cover the issue of multiprocessing management.

      High-end CPU chips can compete, they just need the on-chip hardware to facilitate interlocking but what they really need is a lot of glue chips to allow efficient shared memory use. Building the big boxes that support multiprocessing with more than 2 processors isn't easy. Adding fast I/O channels to keep pace is even less easy. However, I do have big hopes for the Opteron based motherboards though.

      Note that clustering helps only when you have loosely coupled cooperation between processes. If you need lots of closely interacting processes or threads then a cluster isn't really fast enough.

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  106. wrong on cyberterror by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    2) We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way. When it comes to terrorism, all that matters are body counts.

    All that matters in terrorism is how bad it looks on TV. The severity of damage is sabotage - actual terrorism,, the spread of terror, is a media phenomenon derived from the sabotage. Broken computers don't look bad on TV. Even if the 2003 Blackout was due to viruses taking down warning systems during peak demand, and lots of people died, the 20 million affected went without TV, so were immune to the terror that might have ensued. If only we can learn to distinguish sabotage from terrorism, we can vaccinate our minds, turn off the TV, and win the Terror War.

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    1. Re:wrong on cyberterror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed that too but I didn't say anything. Most antiterrorist experts I've heard are saying what makes Al-Queda and the others salivate is throwing a monkey wrench in the US Economy\Infrastructure.

  107. what? by twitter · · Score: 1
    For example, I miss the graphing abilities of Excel; OpenCalc and Gnumeric simply don't compare.

    That's it? That's the best you can come up with as a counter to the massive improvements to ease of use, user costs, stability and ease of upkeep of free software? Rudamentary graphing is available in both of those packages. If the pace of free software development of the past is a guide to the future, gnumeric will soon have every graph tool M$ has but they will all work they way they are supposed to. The average user, who you insultingly call "mundane", could care less anyway.

    As you point out, Microsoft is equally guilty of indifference to users

    I've yet to see a convincing display of free software indifference. It's hard to attach the word "guilt" to people who share their work without charge to the rest of the world. People who use free software are NOT getting screwed, they are running software the commercial world fails to deliver at any cost.

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    1. Re:what? by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose that I should ignore you, given your obvious need for non sequitors. But then I'm in a cranky mood, so... ;)

      The lack of reliability in Microsoft's products is no excuse for the lack of quality in many free softwares. Like Linus, I don't really give a hoot what Microsoft does -- I want the best possible free-as-in-liberty software, period.

      How many examples would you like me to cite? Should I have mentioned the silly bug (which frustrated me this morning) in Abiword 2.0.1 that consistently screws up pasting at the end of a document, or the random crashes that Abiword seems prone to? Or the lack of consistency in something so simple as exiting an application (is it File|Close, File|Quit or File|Exit?) I can go on and on, using examples from myself and more mainstream users.

      If free software wants to present itself as an alternative to Microsoft, it needs to act like an adult and provide quality software with service and attention to user needs. To say, as you do, "It's free, so live with it" is a cop-out.

    2. Re:what? by wskellenger · · Score: 1
      People who use free software are NOT getting screwed, they are running software the commercial world fails to deliver at any cost.

      This must be sarcasm.

      Most Linux GUI apps (especially the office apps) are attempting to clone the MS interface and functionality. KOffice is a perfect example -- the menu strcture is almost identical to MS Office!

      Do me a favor and Google for "Linux database Access clone" and see how many people are looking for such a beast. Keep looking, you'll find discussion groups where people people proclaim that MS Access is not a "real" database application -- it is just a "toy".

      Next do a search for "Kexi" and see the KOffice equivalent, in development. If you've ever used Access, you'll find that it looks like an exact clone, although it will use MySQL as a back-end.

      Does anyone see the irony here? How annoying to think that commercial software is all crap when most OSS efforts are just clones of the commercial stuff... Linux itself is a "UNIX-like" OS.

      I don't ever recall using an open source solid modeling or FEA package while I was getting my engineering degree, nor do I ever recall hearing about such a package being used in the auto industry. You won't find OSS packages that perform these very specialized tasks *better* than their commercial counterparts.

      I am a Linux user. Like other Linux users, when I've got problems, I have no one to call or complain to... I just get to troll the forums, maybe post a questionm, hoping to get an answer or some help from the community. Most casual computer users (such as those in my family) won't do this.

  108. Re:No Union No Politics. by michael_cain · · Score: 1
    Without a union to focus and crystallize talking points there is no rational reason for this to be adopted as an issue by a political candidate.

    Sorry, wrong. This one's a no-brainer. It's a presidential election year, and the Democrats desperately need an economic issue. No one's ever made a go of the deficit issue -- not enough people get excited that their children may suffer 20 years from now. You can only go so far with arguing that the tax cuts for the wealthy should be repealed -- too many people aspire to be wealthy themselves. None of the Democratic candidates seem to be willing to discuss tax cuts for the working poor -- because that would mean cutting Social Security taxes and admitting that SS accounting is a farce. Which leaves jobs.

    The media are already getting behind this -- every major paper and news magazine has already run stories about unemployed IT professionals. It's a natural for the liberal parts of the press -- heartless corporations putting people out of work for the sake of profits. A handful of states have introduced laws barring companies that provide call centers for state services from moving them offshore. There's been at least one scandal -- a San Francisco hospital outsourced some activity involving medical records, it got subcontracted at least twice, and ended up in India where a woman attempted to blackmail one of the subcontractors by threatening to post the private medical records on the Web. Almost everyone knows someone who has been affected, and the Democrats will attempt to play on that general fear.

    To be honest, no one has any idea whether moving these jobs offshore is bad for the economy or not. At the present time, which do you think is having more effect on IT hiring -- offshoring, or the combination of a general recession, the dot-com bust, and the telecom industry meltdown? Certainly there are individuals who are hurt in the short term by such actions. The longer-term effect will depend on what kinds of jobs we create to offset the losses. If you know what the growth industries are for the next ten years, you can get rich. The disaster only happens if there are no growth industries...

  109. Linux has an organizational structure? by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cringley makes one of the classic tech-punditry blunders, which is to confuse Linux with an operating system while simultaneously confusing it with a religious movment and/or trade association.

    It's none of the above, of course. It's a free software kernal, rolled into many operating systems like Red Hat and Debian, but still just a kernel. Pretty much useless by itself, unlike Free, Net and OpenBSD, which are top-to-bottom OS projects, with a central organizational structure that takes care of everything a user could want or need in their Unix system.

    Free Software/Open Source has not one, but two religious movment/trade associations, complete with Famous and Glamorous grand high pooh-bah charismatic heads. Richard Stallman on the one side, and Bruce Perens on the other. Both men and their organizations are pretty much ignored by everyone involved with Linux, save to incorporate their software into the Linux-based OS projects or to toss obscene amounts of cash at them to help them kick Microsoft out of the datacenter. Overall, they're mostly just good for really entertaining flame wars.

    Linux will continue to grow unchecked because there is no organizational structure. People are free to take and use the kernel however they see fit, so long as they share the source code to any modifications, so it will wind up in spacecraft microcontrollers and kilo-processor supercomputers, wrapped in the software needed to get the job done.

    Linux-based desktop operating systems will put in more effort to be interoperable with each other, though it's unlikely they'll all get together and decide to have someone be their collective boss. That's not neccesarily a bad thing, and coprorate customers will be more comfortable knowing that the organizational structure in charge of their Linux-based OS is "IBM" or "Red Hat" rather than a nebulous organization of hippies and geeks... gives 'em someone to sue if it all goes wrong.

    SoupIsGood Food

  110. he is right by BigGerman · · Score: 0

    It seems that Linux has reached the top of its current evolutionary model.
    With the-year-of-Linux-desktop-that-never-comes and all these talks about kernel code showing age and becoming crafty
    there is a feeling that overall development under the current conditions cannot continue forever.
    I mentioned this countless times before: I beleive that there will be new OS/environment emerging from someone's proverbial garage that will learn on Linux, use Linux device drivers and pick up the torch of the OSS community.
    The attributes of such new OS would be: object oriented, built-in DRM and crypto/authentication, SCO-free ;-), X-less GUI, less old-times Unix, etc.

  111. funny that such utter nonsense comes from cringely by georgedafermos · · Score: 1

    so,cringely claims that the ridiculous SCO claims over snippets of Linux code may destruct the organisational structure that sustains free/open source software development. it is the same claim as saying that the free/open source world is dependent upon the commercial sphere to prolong its stay in the software world. unfortunately for cringely, this sounds very silly and non-pragmatic. for although money, adoption by the masses, corporates, and governments of the world is critical for f/oss to gain momentum, the organisational structure behind such undertakings is not sustained by neither legal nor commercial influences. and although i dunno if others are terrified by sco, i personally dont give a damn. sco may eke out a profit out of their fantasies turned legal argument, yet in the longer term such a sco-policy cannot pay. and this also weird since cringely, in the very same installment, says that all sco is after is making a quick buck and then dropping their case before it even gets to courts. so how could sco undermine f/oss development structures?

  112. Right by soloport · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a member of the Linux community...

    Ever noticed that those who have to say it, aren't?

    Pros: "I know a little about computers."
    Also-rans: "I'm a computer expert."

    Pros: "We'll do our best."
    Also-rans: "We deliver quality."

    Pros: "I'm OS neutral." (though would probably recommend specific OS for specific job)
    Also-rans: "Linux is like a god."

    Pros: "Life always picks up and goes on..."
    Also-rans: "Linux could be threatened! Everybody should worry about it!"

    I'll bet that:
    90% or more of what we worry about, in life, doesn't happen.
    90% or more of what we hope or dream about, and really work at, happens.

    1. Re:Right by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      Pros: "I'm OS neutral." (though would probably recommend specific OS for specific job)

      At my company we prefer "OS-agnostic" as the term...but it's the same idea.

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    2. Re:Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my work, we prefer the term "Anything but Windows", but yeah, same idea...

    3. Re:Right by lambadomy · · Score: 1

      This, of course, reminds me of a resume we once got at my old job where someone had literally listed "computer master" as a skill. He uh, didn't get an interview, though I admittedly begged to be allowed to interview him.

    4. Re:Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I had a similar experience. There was this bullshit artist who tried to convince the hiring group (interviewers) that he was building a video codec (by himself) using nothing but javascript and HTML.

      Every one of us was able to keep a straight face until we showed him the door.

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  114. Bill Gates wants a Nobel Peace Prize??? by Captain_Amigo · · Score: 1

    WTF?

  115. Other reason why Wal-Mart is a non-starter... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's another factor you did not mention - who uses Wal-Mart's web site?

    Sure, lots and lots of people of all bands visit the stores. But that's not going to help online music sales much. I think there are very few people actually shopping around online for music stores, and almost no-one going to the Wal-Mart web site the same way people go to the stores. So Wal-Mart's service in reality has a pretty low visibility.

    Now add in the 900 pound gorilla - the Pepsi promotion. All sorts of Wal-Mart customers are going to go to ITMS for a free song or two, in the process downloading iTunes and after that other services are a non-starter since iTunes makes it so much easier to shop for music than web-based sites.

    Wal-Mart seems like a huge competitor. But the on-line presence is weak, and I doubt Wal-Mart has a desire to loose a bundle in support of this service.

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    1. Re:Other reason why Wal-Mart is a non-starter... by swfranklin · · Score: 1
      Wal-Mart seems like a huge competitor. But the on-line presence is weak
      It seems to me that Wal-Mart's online presence is growing dramatically. I started using their Fuji in-store kiosks earlier this year for prints from my digital camera, and then found out that I could just upload them through the Web site and specify the store where I want to pick up the prints. Great for sending Christmas prints to family in other areas!

      The music service looks good to me too. I don't use an iPod or a Mac so I've never looked at iTunes or the ITMS. But, I bought a couple albums from walmart.com last week. Pretty cool really, I may stop listening to XM Radio as much :-)

    2. Re:Other reason why Wal-Mart is a non-starter... by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      Wal-Mart is a juggernaut of IT. They give universities hand me downs for the tax write offs. Stuff like 82 processer grids that just weren't up to snuff for their needs anymore. Its likely they've found a new use for these old titans, serving up music data and analyzing the results. And I know you don't use the walmart website, but there are plenty that do, and plenty more that will as the behemoth rolls out its marketing campaigns.

      And as always, they will compete best in the one place Apple's marketing savvy can't match -- price. Convienience may be a factor, but many can't resist the urge to "shop" prices. Witness the people like my dear old mother, who always peruse the coupon ads section of the newspaper, cut them out and sort them away in her box. And few geeks don't recognize the pricing thermometer pricewatch.com.

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  116. You've never seen... by tacokill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've never seen Wal-mart's IT capabilities. They are quite extensive and is surely part of the reason of their success. The perfected cross-docking and inventory management -- and THAT is the reason for their success.

    Yea, they drove some people out of business for sure. But at the same time, they are a VERY capable company. They very well could succeed at this.

    1. Re:You've never seen... by letdownjournals · · Score: 1

      Wal_Mart may well become a powerhouse, but I don't think they will become *the* place to shop for music. They're just not, well, cool enough. Most music purchases are made by image conscious teens and young adults who will happily pay a few cents more per song to get it from the "right" place... And the one thing Wal-Mart will never, ever be is hip. I should also note that while Wal-Mart may be one of, if not the largest retailers of music in the brick-and-mortar world, it's not becasue their customers are loyal-- it's because in much of the country, they're the only choice.

    2. Re:You've never seen... by tacokill · · Score: 1

      True enough. You may have a point with the "hip" argument. IIRC, the original poster mentioned something about failure due to not being able to keep up the IT part of it. My reply was really just to address that point and point out that Wal-mart is a worldwide leader in IT, although you don't hear about it much.

      Keep in mind, I am NOT fighting for Wal-mart. In fact, I avoid them at all costs -- but I don't deny the reasons they have been successful. Part of that reason, as you pointed out, is also due to their virtual monopoly in some markets.

  117. Linux in Crisis. by swartze · · Score: 1

    I don't think that crigley realizes how crisis management in the linux community works.
    When the Debian servers were compromised things went like this:
    1. Announce the the problem
    2. Research the problem
    3. Find the fix
    4. Announce the fix, the cause and any errata
    (Over-simplified, I know)

    With SCO things went like this
    1. SCO anounced their lawsuit
    2. Groklaw was created.
    3. IBM and others worked on the legal front
    4. News is getting out and code has been analized

    This would be over if not for the lack of speed in the US legal system.
    While noone would disagree that getting verbally kicked in the pants is not a crisis when done often enough, lives where not on the line so there was no reason to panic. Thats where Cringely got it wrong. Crisis != panic in in the FOSS Comunity

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  118. Hey kids, here's a rule you can understand! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Dear Grammar Nazi,

    I liked your letter very much but it is too confusing for wide consumption and understanding. Instead, try this rule:

    When you want to use "its" or "it's", try putting in "it is" first - if it sounds funny, use "its", if it looks good, use "it's".

    Now everyone can write!

    Sincerely,

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  119. He's right on that one. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Although in theory you are correct in the technical definition, the real terrorists that we have at the moment are only interested in dead bodies, and what makes the most of them. Even if some cyber attacks are more interesting and could affect many more people, I doubt the terrorist leadership can really grasp that they would actually be more "terrifying" to a lot of people than an attack that kills a bunch of people. Kind of like how managers now don't get technology either and make all sorts of missteps.

    Probably in about ten years we'll see real cyber-terrorism tried as younger leadership takes hold.

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  120. A few more reasons by iamacat · · Score: 1

    4. Driver contains code bought from several different companies. Getting permission to open source is inconvinient and expensive.

    5. The driver itself is innovative, like for ATI and NVidia and the company doesn't want to give away its secrets.

    6. The driver is open sourced, but not popular enough to be included in the kernel. The company wants to provide one pre-compiled binary that works on all Linux distributions.

    1. Re:A few more reasons by sjames · · Score: 1

      4. doesn't explain refusal to release register specs for the hardware. The result could be someone writing a free driver they can then adapt to other oses for free.

      5. what's so innovative there? (genuine question)

      6. not part of the discussion. If it's open source, it's not binary only.

    2. Re:A few more reasons by Derek+S · · Score: 1

      6. But this is still a major obstacle to mass deployment. The only good alternative to bundled binary drivers for consumer hardware is to have a strict standard for auto-building a bundled driver from source, and this would require too much inter-distro and inter-desktop cooperation to ever work.

  121. How about 2005 by gomadtroll · · Score: 1

    Since the court case, against IBM, won't be heard by the courts until 2005, 2004 will be a year of FUD by SCO, and growth in the GNU/Linux community.

    Greg

  122. Apple Won't Sell As Many G5s as it would like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple would like to sell 2 billion G5s this year. See, I was right!

  123. What about the Patriot Act II? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had posted the same link That Cringely has on his site that talls the story how Bush used the capture of Saddam as a front to sign the Patriot Act II into law. STILL the /. folks seemed to ignore it and even Cringely's comments on it in this article. I guess SCO is more important than your rights as US citizens (for those of you who are).

  124. Cisco and EMC!!! dude u are way off.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cisco will not only maintain its leadership in networking, they'll make big inroads into managed storage against companies like EMC."

    I work on EMC and Cisco products in SAN/storage areas, EMC doesn't make SAN switches (well, it OEM's from brocade, mcdata, cisco)..so am not really sure what he is babling about managed storage and overtaking EMC..Cisco is not in the bussiness of making "Storage Systems/UNITS" like EMC..

    Looks like Cringley crossed his wires here!!

  125. if open source is outlawed... by Jukashi · · Score: 1

    ...only outlaws will use open source.

  126. Comparing the persauviveness of Jobs to a corpse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I think Steve would be a better
    bullshitter than Sam. Because Sam
    Walton has been dead for a few years
    now.

  127. mostly the usual cringely nonsense by fanatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.'

    No elaboration, explanation, discussion of what 'grow or die' means. How trivial.

    As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up...This was never more than a stock scam,

    This much at least seems true.

    We'll see more of this ploy in the future.

    This seems unlikely. Once SCO self-destructs and all non-insiders are left hoding shares at 100% loss, this pattern will become evident even to financial analysts (who, with few exceptions, have been amazingly dense sofar). Even Didio and Enderle will be able to see it then, though they'll never have the decency to say so.

    --
    "that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
  128. Linux IS organized by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Linux is BETTER organized than closed source shops.

    The whole notion that Linux is somehow disorganized is a subtle knock that says: "oh, it has to be centralized to be organized", in other words, only big companies are capable of organization. Yet, big companies are often just as disorganized as the internet blob that is Linux.

    We often note how corporate will can accomplish great things, but, we also live in a world where we disregard all of the dishonesty and infighting that plagues many IT departments and companies. Even MS is not immune to this - with the rumored infighting between the Office team and the .NET team becoming legend, just as the infighting between the Win9x team and the WinNT team - the latter saying their stuff is better, the former saying they are paying all the bills.

    By contrast, Linux projects are out in the open. You can check the status of any via the web, you can see the differing philosophies of the different camps of different systems easily, you can choose to decide which technology to invest in by a transparent and open decision making process. Of course, you could always look at the source yourself, and you may, but for the most part, the process of fundraising in the open source environment is a lot more transparent and accountable than the same process in a closed source company.

    --
    This is my sig.
  129. Its not the first time . . . by ir0b0t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . . that a programmer was accused of "stealing" software. As /. readers know, in 1976, Gates attacked those who "stole" BASIC from him and the whole idea of sharing source code. Gates made the following claim in his 2/3/76 open letter to hobbyists: "[By stealing software you] prevent good software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free?"

    --
    I'm laughing at clouds.
  130. Is Cringely ever really right? by blair1q · · Score: 1

    He's a bit psycho, as far as I can tell.

  131. Quality of service by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    But, quality of service is an issue. I just tried to order prints from Wal-mart and have them delivered locally - the delivery date is mid January! My local photo store has a similar online service and if I order twenty prints I can get them the same day (same deal, pickup at the store), for no extra fee... No way would I use Wal-Mart. And after using ITMS no way would I use them for music either (it doesn't hurt I have an iPod of course).

    I think Wal-Mart is trying to do do much and loosing some focus here.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  132. You are all punching Cringely's ticket by Man_Holmes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're Cringely with a year end predictions column to write.

    You have two or three provocative theories that you would llke to push. You know they're unlikely to prove true. Plus they wouldn't fill a column all by themselves.

    So you combine them with seven weak predictions that are sure to be found correct.

    So if anyone questions your provocative predictions you smugly say that you're right 70% of the time year after year.

    So you're respected by the media (who rarely do their homework) as this all knowing and seeing prognasticator even if your actual "real" predictions are rarely correct.

    But your "record of predictions" ensures they're taken seriously and sponsor much debate.

    Cringely, I'm on to your tricks pal.

    Man Holmes

    1. Re:You are all punching Cringely's ticket by Seeka · · Score: 1

      Did you read the article at all? He made 15 predictions. I'm thinking you stuck with the "10" number because that's all the original poster listed.

      I grant you that Cringely is being all too vague in some easy predictions, but I'd also suggest that you might try looking at who is reading his column. If Cringely makes easy predictions, and his audience likes that, then who is to say he is simply not digging into the issue more for fear of eliminating his readership?

  133. best Cringely quote evar! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    "Never underestimate the power of a Pentium-90 with a grudge to settle."

    Nice. :)

  134. Re:Comparing the persauviveness of Jobs to a corps by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    Well, then, I rest my case.

    --
    It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  135. Think about this... by sircle_72 · · Score: 1

    ...from the standpoint of John Q. Computerbuyer. Even though *we* all pretty much know that SCO's bullshit claims will never come to fruition, if anything regarding the kernal's lineage _were_ seen as infringing, the average person (i.e. the 90% of the world's computer users who DON'T frequent /.) will only understand the message that Linux has been "outlawed". Regardless of the underlying clarification that needs to be done to show them exactly how wrong that assumption is, the only message they'll come away with is "this cannot be used as-is legally." Their minds will not be able to pass this over, and they will begin to think of alternatives that can. This includes many top-level execs and Pointy-Haired Bosses (note the differentiation) who will read two words on the front page of the Times and make the decision to switch. This it seems would cause much more detriment to Linux's market share than any of us can currently explain away.
    Never underestimate the power of an underinformed decision.

    --
    Sure Bill Gates' hair is fugly, but give his barber some credit! At least he managed to cover the horns on his forehead.
  136. Changes To The GPL by AELinuxGuy · · Score: 1

    What about instead of turning the Linux kernel team into some sort of formal organization to protect against IP claims, we get some sort of revision to the GPL? Perhaps something that sets up a system of introducing new code with a fixed period in which IP claims can be made. Obviously, copyright law will ultimately take precedent over anything written into the GPL, but perhaps if we had a system in place to handle IP claims it would lend more credibility to the FOSS development process in court.

  137. My personal Cringely-esque prognostications: by finelinebob · · Score: 1
    1. February 29th: SSDD
    2. Microsoft security: SSDD
    3. IT job market: SSDD
    4. SCO: SSDD
    5. DRM/RIAA: SSDD
    6. Apple/Sun/HP+Compaq: SSDD
    7. Erosion of 1st Amendment rights: SSDD

    ... did I miss anything?

  138. social change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I was correct that there wouldn't be a significant act of high-tech terrorism in 2003 I was wrong in my mysterious prediction of a new electronic way to foment social change. I just never got around to doing it myself (that was the plan), so I'll have to accept that I was wrong.

    What about Dean's takeover of the Democratic party via internet?

  139. inferior products dominate ... by MuParadigm · · Score: 1


    Uh oh, we're not argue Beta vs. VHS again, are we?

  140. Linux has to grow or die ... by Chromodromic · · Score: 1
    So, instead of "BSD is DEAD", we may begin seeing, "Linux is DEAD".

    How interesting. How appropriate.

    --
    Chr0m0Dr0m!C
  141. Re:We must kill every Muslim man, woman, and child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    AMEN!

    Consider this: Israel is considered a "homeland" for Jews, Christians (eg, Bethlehem), and Muslims.

    But it's not the Jews or Christians that are strapping bombs to themselves so they can have a "homeland".

    How many "Jewish" countries are there? 1. How many "Christian" countries are there? 0. How many "Muslim" countries are thene? Quite a few. But just try to live in one while being some other religion. It could be dangerous to your health.

  142. 70% success? I don't think so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I make it 5 out of 15. That's 33%. > 1. HP/Compaq will continue its long slide to oblivion. Well, they're still fairly strong companies. > 2. Dell gets bigger and bigger. While this is a no-brainer, Whatever. You get a point. > 3. At the same time, we'll see Microsoft's leadership further influenced by > Linux. Remember Steve Ballmer said Microsoft couldn't compete with Linux on > price, so they'd have to fight on quality. Linux has made NO difference to the quality of Microsoft's software. They're working harder to make everything more proprietary. See various court cases for details. > 4. If Linux is giving Microsoft fits, it is doing far worse to Sun Microsystems, > which I predict will have a very bad 2003. Sun had a bad 2003. You get a point. > 5. Meanwhile, China, which will eventually be the largest computer market on > earth, will standardize on MIPS processors and Linux, much to the dismay of both > Sun and Intel. No sign of the MIPS thing. You don't get a point. > 6. And as I said last week, Microsoft will force Intel to Adopt AMD's Opteron > 64-bit extensions. Hasn't happened yet. > 7. In the meantime, Apple will announce a line of computers using IBM's > incredible Power 4 processor, but of course, they won't actually be delivered > until 2004. Facts that count. You lose! > 8. The V.92 modem standard still won't work, but nobody will care. Seems to be working fine in Europe. People do care, because broadband isn't global. > 9. Microsoft's Palladium security initiative will become even less popular as > people realize that Palladium is too intrusive and it doesn't really work. Palladium hasn't arrived yet. It's facts that count, you lose. > 10. Still, security will be a bigger thing than ever, though you'll see a subtle > shift from people being worried about viruses to them being furious about spam. SPAM legislation is suddenly a big deal. A point to you. > 11. I wish it wasn't so, but by the end of 2003, I am sure we'll see at least > four new laws giving corporations the right to invade our privacy, with most of > those laws passed in the name of "patriotism." Can't be bothered to check. Have a point. > 12. Hollywood will come up with another new copy protection scheme for music and > it will be defeated within two months. ? Don't think so. > 13. 802.11a loses out to 802.11g. Have a point, for that obvious one, Mystic Bob. A newer standard beats an older one, surely not. > 14. I'm sorry to be mysterious about this one, but I seriously doubt that there > will be a significant act of high-tech terrorism in 2003, yet I think there will > emerge an entirely new way to use the Internet to effect social change. Be mysterious, by all means. You've said nothing new, no points. > 15. And finally, with the continued (and to me totally inexplicable) rise of web > logs, someone--maybe Google--will come up with an effective blog search engine to > read all that junk for us and extract what we really care about. There is no such web log extractor I can see.

  143. .... more importantly ... by valmont · · Score: 1

    ... who gives a rat's ass what cringely thinks. the guy has zero credentials. all he does is bitch and whine all the fucking time in his "i, cringely, pulpit" columns.

  144. Cringley's prediction... by Featureless · · Score: 1

    like so much Cringley writes, is ignorant, egotistical, and, in his tepid way, "inflammatory," carelessly crafted for the single purpose of generating hype and controversy about... Cringley.

    Seldom is such a "well regarded" technology journalist as consistently irrelevant as Cringley. He's a blowhard. Try reading his column on a regular basis - I know, it's painful, but try. You will see what I mean quickly.

    Here's my prediction:

    SCO is embarrased legally, although the perpetrators of the fraud (the SCO executive corps) stand a good chance of being protected from criminal prosecution by their large allies (who might find it awkward if their complicity came out). The aggrieved parties' (IBM, Redhat, many OS developers, etc) civil actions, however, have far more merit, and they sue the remnants of the company into a smoking crater. SCO executives will quickly declare bankruptcy when they see the end coming and attempt to shield their assets (their "personal" gains from the scheme), and it will be entertaining to see what lengths they will go to to do it (will the cash, or the people, leave the country?), and whether they will get away with it. I guarantee you Gates doesn't care if Darl McBride ends up broke or in prison - in fact, he would probably get a kick out of it.

    Some will claim it's only a matter of time until "the next SCO." Others will rightly note that such IP and legal shenanigans can and do happen to everybody sufficiently threatening to their wealthy and unscrupulous competitors, and are far more likely to happen, let alone succeed, at a closed-source shop than an open source project. In fact, all it has demonstrated is that, contrary to some people's theories, a large open source project is surprisingly resillient and well equipped to defend itself against this kind of threat.

    Haters will happily declare that a cloud has been cast over Linux and Open Source regardless, meanwhile, back in the real world, it will continue its inevitable treadmilling over products and companies that can't or won't outperform hobbyists.

    In the very long haul, I suspect that the inevitable momentum of success will force more and more people to realize that collaborative software engineering, of many different kinds but loosely described as "Open Source," is the most productive and reliable method we have for doing many kinds of development, and this recognition will solidify in academic theory and accepted conventional wisdom. We will see more and more acceptance of sharing and openness in engineering in the mainstream, for infrastructure tasks like operating systems and compilers, for major applications, commodity code, middleware, and anywhere else we have problems with specific solutions sufficiently amenable to collective, decentralized effort.

    Many more large organizations, especially foreign, and/or governmental, educational, and military, will continue the trend of consciously adopting open source for both political, economic, and practical reasons. There will be dissatisfaction, growing pains, and struggle, but also massive new contributions and growing credibility. In the end, journalists who made a living by obfuscating and belittling collaboration in engineering are going to look dated, and then silly, well within our lifetimes.

    I'm guessing the continued growth of open source will ultimately help, rather than hurt, "proprietary" software as a whole, by making smarter engineers, giving them better tools and platforms, and clarifying the problems that are better solved in a proprietary way.

  145. Cringely is a lousy journalist by bgelb · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've never liked Robert Cringley's style or manner, which basic can be summed up as observing the obvious, then claiming all the credit or screaming "SCANDAL" where there really is none. But what made me really dislike him forever is his total lack of journalistic ethics a.k.a. MAKING SHIT UP.

    He has a history of INVENTING stories that simply do not exist. IMHO he should meet the same fate as Jayson Blair. I do not know why PBS hasn't caught on.

    A prime example is his incredible story of bouncing a Wi-Fi signal over a mountain, which can be found at http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020207. html.

    Most of his Wi-Fi tall tales are at least physically possible, but this one crosses the line.

    See Rob Flickenger's Response.

  146. The "crisis" by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    I'm trying to figure out what this "crisis" is that Cringely speaks of. What are we pretending isn't there? Is he just arbritrarily deciding there is a crisis just because he thinks there is? There has been no crisis, SCO has been laughed at all along, and 2.6 came out as Linus plunged forward.

    The "SCO debacle" has always been viewed as a bothersome joke that will soon pass. Where is the crisis in the Linux community? The only one I know of is the trend of bad SCO jokes we get now and then. :)

    --
    "Sufferin' succotash."
    1. Re:The "crisis" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Therewas evidence to prove that Overly Critical Guy is a lying cocksucker, but he deleted it. Think independently.

  147. Re:Vague vague vague - and ...? by hlh_nospam · · Score: 1

    "'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
    - JRR Tolkien.


    Just today, I was listening to tape 11 of the audiobook version of The Fellowship of the Ring, which contains this line. First time I've gone back to 'read' this in about 25 years. Just today, for the first time in over a week, I decide to read Slashdot, and run across this in a sig...

    Predictions are a bit like that. Something may happen several times beneath one's notice, then you attention gets called to it for some reason, after which it suddenly pops into your notice. Then you wonder...

  148. Linux *does* have to grow! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see lots of arguments to the contrary, and they've all been modded up to 5. But let's look at this issue in a calmer fashion, okay?

    Linux is technically solid. This is no surprise, as it essentially borrowed its technical solidity from UNIX, which had been around for 20 years when Linux first appeared. This is good.

    But beyond the kernel and server-type applications and developer utilities, Linux has less focus. Some people like using bare window managers. Some people want X Windows replaced with something saner. Then there are the KDE/Gnome desktop environment battles. Lets not even get into the various GUI creation libraries.

    One side will say "Choice is good!", and I agree. But all the arguing and general muddling has made Linux much less appealing as an alternative to more focused operating systems. Apple forces a GUI down your throat, but at the same time they've succeeded in making desktop UNIX appealing and a target for well-known applications. So Linux needs to grow in the sense that there should be more focus to what the desktop Linux experience *is* exactly, and with that is going to come wider curiosity and adoption. UserLinux may pull this off...or not.

    But please just don't blow off the comment, okay? Personally, I see OS X as a much brighter alternative to Linux, simply because decisions have been made and there's strong leadership.

    1. Re:Linux *does* have to grow! by fmouse · · Score: 1

      Some people see, or want to see "Linux" as a single entity, much like "Microsoft Windows" is a single entity, but things are never that simple. Like any democracy, Linux is messy whereas like any top-down totalitarian organization, Microsoft Windows is "clean." Linux is only one facet of the Open Source development community, the same community which, in it's original form, gave us the Internet itself, and Lord knows, the Internet is anything but focused. Linux and its development community have many voices, some of them talking at odds with one another. Walk through any shopping district anywhere in the world and you'll find the same plethora of opportunities and choices.

      In the Open Source future, people are going to have to take at least a little responsibility for their own IT education and be Smart Shoppers, at least as far as finding a vendor, a distribution, a support company, which will provide focus and help folks get what they need.

      Microsoft, of course, offers us Hobson's Choice ("You can use MS Windows, and if you don't like that, well there's always MS Windows") which is total focus, with no choice.

      Live ain't always simple, and people who want the best have to take some responsibility for making choices and providing their own focus.

      --
      "Everything works if you let it" - The Flying Mouse
  149. Cringley is... predictable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cringley's statement is stupid because Linux is already growing and will continue to grow. It's effectively an organic process that won't stop unless somebody makes a concious decision to stop it. Even then it probably wouldn't die because too many people have become dependent on it.

    Now, having said that, let's go over his predictions:

    Microsoft will make a bold run for video game leadership

    Haven't they been doing this for a few years now? Precisely what's being predicted?

    We still won't see a big example of cyber-terrorism simply because nobody has figured out how to actually kill people that way

    Well great, so he can predict this every year and be right until somebody finally figures it out. Probably going to be a while before somebody does this and the powers that be admit that somebody did it.

    we'll still be plagued with unsolicited commercial messages

    Duh. Welcome to the tragedy of the commons! The tour begins at the top of the hour.

    look for lots of software companies to abandon support for old products and platforms

    And this is new how?

    The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004.

    To continue on cringley's statements, this is rather a vague prognostication. I mean there's always reoganizations of the Linux structure, choosing of mainainers, etc. SCO doesn't change anything because SCO is full of it. It's only changed the value of SCO stock for a short time.

    As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up.

    Totally agreed here, but if this is true, why would Linux have to change in any substantial way?

    2004 will be a crucial year for streaming media

    No really significant prediction here. Something will happen. Great. Thank you for your insight.

    In the U.S., 2004 will see the start of the very digital convergence predicted by Al Gore back in 1996

    Ummmm, didn't this start happening a few years ago. I seem to recall cable companies offering phone service for a while. DSL Internet has been provided by my phone company for years. It will continue in 2004, but that's not really a prediction if it's already happening.

    The U.S. IT industry will see some real growth except for Hewlett- Packard and Sun

    Hope he's right on that one.

    Cisco will not only maintain its leadership in networking, they'll make big inroads into managed storage against companies like EMC

    Okay, a useful prediction. 800 lb Gorilla puts on some weight. Got it.

    WiFi will be bigger than ever, of course, but progress and service will both be spotty. What's needed is a new business model for WiFi aggregation

    More wifi will come. Duh. Wifi will be spotty. You know why they call them "hotspots". Because they are "spots" that are "hot", which would suggest that there are spots that are lukewarm or even cold. So yes, it will be spotty.

    If he thinks he has something new on wifi aggregation, he's really delluding himself. There are only three models that will make money:

    1) Giving away wifi as an incentive to visit a store (make money selling more Mochas, or at least not losing those Mochas to somebody else who has wireless)

    2) Selling people wifi as an add on to an existing wireless package. Down the road I could see integrating 802.11 into a cell phone with VoIP support. Make calls for free when at a hot spot and get Internet access for a modest additional monthly fee.

    3) Selling people wifi at places where they are a captive audience. Airports, cruise ships, etc

  150. We all got to eat. by thegent · · Score: 1

    Whis is what I think is up with this prediction. Drive traffic, live off of FUD Oh yeah, what's a better discussion-fueler than Fear Uncertainty Doubt?!

  151. Remember the CompuServe/GIF/open-standards fiasco? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody think that M$/Apple will allow the use of its format indefinately without licencing fees?

    Not gonna happen.

    gewg_

  152. Re:Software drops in price just like hardware does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought I was the only one who noticed that
    as more boxes use Windoze, the price of Windoze keeps going UP.
    WTF? They've never heard of economies of scale?
    If ever there was a sign of a monopoly abusing its market position, that's it.

    gewg_

  153. Re:terrorists...only interested in dead bodies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at the monetary impact of the Ohio/NY blackout,
    it should be obvious that these people (who hate us because we are successful and they aren't*)
    were equally gleeful at the people/businesses who lost money / were inconvienced.

    gewg_

    *Well, at least the poor ones.
    The wealthy ones hate us for our free and open society (!FUDamentalist theocracy--pun intended)
    whose ideas they can't prevent from crossing their borders.

  154. Same old grow or die nonsense. by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

    In most circles any moron spouting this kind of nonsense wouldn't be taken seriously, but in the business world the hackneyd old "grow or die" mantra keeps getting trotted out. It is obviously specious and is often the cause of disaster at companies when they try too hard to grow and wind up dying as a result. Linux doesn't have to grow or die. Only a moron would make such a claim. As for crisis, the "they" they keep talking about is us, and frankly, Red Hat's abandonment of the desktop is a bigger crisis than SCO's insanity will ever be.

    SCO will dry up and blow away in the wind one day and in the mean time everyone seems to be ignoring them except Linux's biggest competitors who fund them and take every opportunity to boost their case.

    That all said, Linux will grow, no thanks to idiotic proclamations.

  155. Re:There's no deep black magic in a kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >that can't be re-invented.

    Interesting that you should say that in this meta-thread.

    It reminds me of Cringely explaining in "Triumph of the Nerds",
    the "Chinese wall" and how Compaq reverse-engineered the IBM-PC BIOS.

    gewg_

  156. listen? why!??!?! by ztwilight · · Score: 1

    Why would I listen to someone who has no idea what they're talking about? My time is more important than that.

    --
    Who moved my sig?
  157. what crap. by twitter · · Score: 1
    If free software wants to present itself as an alternative to Microsoft, it needs to act like an adult and provide quality software with service and attention to user needs. To say, as you do, "It's free, so live with it" is a cop-out.

    What kind of crap is that? "act like an adult"? What's that supposed to mean. Free software meets my needs far better than comercial crap.

    I can get anything I need to done at home with free software but work sucks. There I was handed a nice machine cloged with Windoze 2000 pro and nothing else. Mozilla and Open Office came to my rescue there, without me or my company having to shell out hundreds of dollars for Office and software that can print to pdf. Unfortuneately, they use some kind of Microshit email server that refuses to talk to anything but Lookout Express. The only way I get spell checking in my email is to cut and paste from OO or a Putty to my 486 gateway at home. Putty, perversly enough is faster. They use Windoze because they don't know any better and because of two legacy apps that could be replaced by one good database. The Windows experience is so poor it's not even funny. I can't believe people use this shit and pay money for it.

    Free software rocks. If Abiword does not work for you, simply use Kword or OO which both work as well or better than Word. If I really ever have to type set something, I can always fall back to Word Perfect 8, Linux native that I've made work on Woody. People who typeset for a living simply use anything from the TeX family. There's always something else out there. Free software has general software for everyone that's good enough for most purposes and specialty software for any purpose that kicks comercial software over.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:what crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

  158. bunk by capheind · · Score: 1

    Most of them seem fairly reasonable but number five is bunk. It hasn't really shaken the community simply angered it, untill they substantiate anything all they are doing is biting the blue ear in the derrier. I wish folks would stop making these sink or swim claims with the gnu/linux community. It may be anarchy but its anarchy that works quite well. Personally even if they could trash linux the variouse companies/projects would simply move to a new kernel, maybe GNU HURD if they ever get the fsckin thing working, or one of the BSD's.

  159. errata by capheind · · Score: 1

    er blue bear not ear.

  160. Price is no obsticle by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    And as always, they will compete best in the one place Apple's marketing savvy can't match -- price. Convienience may be a factor, but many can't resist the urge to "shop" prices. Witness the people like my dear old mother, who always peruse the coupon ads section of the newspaper, cut them out and sort them away in her box. And few geeks don't recognize the pricing thermometer pricewatch.com.

    As the old saying goes, there are some things money can't buy, and respect is one of them.

    Yes Wal-Mart can offer a slightly lower price (in some cases, it remains to see if that's the general case). But since when has music ever been about price? I go into tower records and think "Who the hell pays these prices?" But people do - and lots of them - all despite Best Buy and Wal-Mart combined.

    Music is more about emotion and image than most things, and those are areas where Apple excels and Wal-Mart does not. Heck, most people I know prefer to go to Target first and then Wal-Mart as a last resort - and so it will be for music, only there will be no need for the Wal-Mart trip.

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    1. Re:Price is no obsticle by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      I don't pay marketing research companies for the nubmers I'd need for definitive claims, but I'd say that respect issue hasn't stopped Best Buy and WalMart from being the largest music retailers around. Sadly, I have no idea what percentage of cd sales are made at overpriced specialty stores. Nor do I feel like recounting a history of the pricing of music here.

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  161. Slightly On-Topic by rickshaf · · Score: 1

    While everyone else was on topic, I was checking the President's Year-End Honors. One of the first was the "Metal of Freedom" presented to "Linux" for his "many years of service to the funny-paper readers of this geat country as a member of the 'Peanuts Gang'". The President also congratulated "Linux" on his "second career developing software" for the computer users of this great land."....

  162. Linux SHOULD be killed... by strider69666 · · Score: 1

    at least as a end-user desktop OS. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's probably the bees knees on servers and what not, but just face it: as a desktop environment, it sucks. No support (for all intents and purposes) for latest greatest anything, crappy interface for many routine functions, and isntallation isn't exactly a breeze (especially when it comes to hardware support). Yes, I know Linux has made big strides in usability and functionality, and I'm not ripping on anyone who likes/uses/supports it. But I get kinda tired of people pushing it as the Windows successor. Face it. It's NOT! We may never see a successor to Windows in our lifetimes. 90% (or somewhere around there) of the world is Windows based. You can't change over from Windows and everything that is exclusively or best-supported on it to an OS that most people will never be comfortable using, whether or not they are "computer savvy". I have been working on PCs for 10 years now. I build em, upgrade em, network em, etc. The only thing I don't do is programming/engineering. I have used several incarnations of Linux, and have just been thouroughly dissatisfied with it. Windows is NOT perfect, by far. BUT, it does have ease of use, well thought out and researched interfaces (mostly), and has the MAJOR advantage of familiarity. Take a person who has only ever driven a Ford Explorer and put them in a Chevy Blazer. They both do the same basic thing, and mostly they ARE the same. But there are subtle differences that are actually not subtle. And those differences deter people from using something different than what they like and are comfortable with. If Linux had been first, Microsoft would still be trying to make their first $1 billion. The point is, if Linux wants to truly be the NEXT OS, they need to redo their entire interface, hardware interface, underlying code, etc. FACE FACTS, LINUX CULTISTS: Linux will NEVER be used by the average user in it's current state.
    Just for the record, I would love to see Linux brought to the level required for average users to be able and willing to use and support it.
    P.S. this is NOT flamebait, nor is it a troll. Just my 2 cents. Like I stated above, I support Linux as a business OS, just not as a consumer OS, IN IT'S CURRENT STATE. So please do not start the old Linux/Windows is better debate. It's all about Linux/Windows is more accepted/trusted/familiar/easier.

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    1. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by fmouse · · Score: 1

      Bunk and flaimbait! Why do you think that IBM Global Services, in cooperation with Dell and HP, just announced a major push to promote Linux on the desktop worldwide. See, among others, http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle .jhtml?articleID=16100352 or http://www.linuxworld.com/story/37858.htm. I get really tired of hearing people carp about how "Linux on the desktop is dead". This has been going on for years! IDC has estimated that deployment of Linux on the desktop will grow from about 1.5% today to c.a. 7% by 2006. That's just two years away, folks!

      Don't forget when you complain about how hard Linux is to install, Windows comes pre-installed on most consumer level machines. This is courtesy of Microsoft's OEM licenses which severly discourage computer makers from offering choices, whatever the Justice Dept. decided about the practice. Just try to install Win2K sometime from scratch and get all the driver stuff to work with all your hardware.

      Linux may not support the latest/greatest hardware on the market, but just about everything you need to do in a real-world situation can be done easily on a Linux desktop. I run gnome-2.4 under Gentoo Linux on my primary desktop and it works like a champ. It's easy, very configurable, and supports all the bells and whistles such as flash, streaming audio, java applets, etc. not to mention most standard office stuff I need to do. It's stable, as are the apps I run, and I'd recommend it to my 92 year non-techie old mom without hesitation. The BSOD is a thing of the past for me!

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    2. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by strider69666 · · Score: 1

      "Why do you think that IBM Global Services, in cooperation with Dell and HP, just announced a major push to promote Linux on the desktop worldwide"



      Because they can sell their computers cheaper to the public because Linux is basically free, ergo their production costs are less, visa vi they can sell their computers cheaper, concordantly more consumers will buy their systems. Other than that, Linux STILL isn't ready for regular consumers.
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    3. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

      I find it funny that you say so much that only relates to the state of Linux 3+ years ago and then say it's not a consumer OS in it's "CURRENT STATE". Obviously you don't know its current state...otherwise you wouldn't be responding with the same outdated FUD that Microsoft keeps spewing about Linux (e.g., "no support for latest greatest anything"...that's a statement that's trivial to show false).

    4. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by strider69666 · · Score: 1

      Gimme a break. Linux 3+ years ago was not much more than a really bad Dos Gui. Now it is a very good server-side OS. Apparently no one reads my full post or just sees what they want to see. LINUX IS NOT A GOOD CONSUMER OS RIGHT NOW!! That is the truth, and if you are too much of a Linux geek/cultist/fanatic to admit it, then thats your problem not mine. By the way, Redhat/Mandrake/etc. are not Linux. They are a derivitive of the Linux base, with better interfaces/support/coding/etc. (please don't reply to this statement's accuracy, as it is a generalization, not a definition). If Linux was a single entity with consistancy across the board for its OS, instead of 20 different OS's that don't all support/interact with/do the same stuff, then it would probably be MUCH more of a serious contender to MS Windows. But the fact remains that consumers don't want an OS that isn't gonna interact/work with everyone else's OS. What would be the point? Also, most Linux users dual boot/have another pc with Windows. Most Windows users don't even have a copy of Linux, let alone know anything about it. What does that tell you? It tells you that Linux is NOT ready to be a consumer accepted OS. It needs work, better integration, more polishing, MUCH better support, and not to be spread out over so many distributers. And yes, I know Windows is not perfect, but they have $40 billion+ dollars saying that they are better as a consumer OS. You can't argue with the figures (yes, they monopolized/cheated/marketed better, but still...). I SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST THAT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST LINUX, SO DON'T REPLY LIKE I AM A LINUX BASHER. Also, I find it relatively amusing that you pinpointed on my statement about support for the latest greatest anything. If it weren't true, people like you wouldn't get pissed off about it. IT HAS SUPPORT FOR LOTS OF STUFF, BUT NOT GOOD SUPPORT, AND NOT FOR NEARLY EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT MS HAS. It's very easy for you guys to sit back and say "Hey, Linux is great and I can do this and that with it, and lots of stuff without even recompiling the kernel." Well, you are obviously not average consumers. MOST people don't have a clue how to recompile a kernel, nor do they know what it is. They shouldn't need to know. The OS should automatically make necessary changes on it's own. You shouldn't need to know basic programming to run your computer. If you did need to know it, we'd be back in 1983 when most consumers had never even sat in front of a computer. Ease of use is everything these days, and Linux lacks that in some very important areas. Nuff' said.

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    5. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 1

      agreed, saying that Linux is hard to install is just attempts at keeping old issues alive. install SuSE or Mandrake, then try XP - I think you'll be surprised.

      Oh, and I use Gentoo on my workstation and servers, it's the bomb in every way! (call me a fanboy, show your ignorance)

      CB

    6. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

      No one could honestly accuse me of being a linux cultist. My only allegiance is to the truth. If you don't want anyone to question your accuracy, keep your mouth shut. You sound like Microsoft's FUD machine. Your only accuracy is on the purest technical definition...Linux isn't, in and of itself, an OS. The rest is plain bunk.

      RedHat/Mandrake/etc are not derivatives of Linux base. They are distributions of Linux -- the SAME AS ANY OTHER INSTALLATION OF LINUX.

      Linux consistency. This is Microsoft's favorite FUD, and it's so false as to not be worth the effort to disprove it.

      Interaction. Consumers don't care about interactions between OS's. They only care about doing the things they want to do - digital audio, digital pictures, e-mail, and web surfing. Linux-based OS's do these things just as well as Windows.

      Dual booting. I only dual boot because WINE hasn't matured enough to run some Windows-only games. Windows users don't have a copy of Linux, and that doesn't tell anyone anything other than those users are content to be in Windows. It doesn't in the least bit say that Linux isn't ready.

      $40B. Money doesn't tell you that they're a better consumer OS. It tells you that they're able to make a healthy profit margin selling it in a market with little to no competition. It says nothing about quality, other than it's "good enough" for OEMs and the people who buyit off the shelf.

      Support. I laugh at your misreading of my comment. I pointed out a blatant falsehood in your previous post because I simply didn't feel like writing a novel tearing your whole post to shreds, point by point. I decided to do that this time.

      Recompiling a kernel. I've compiled a kernel, but never because I had to in order to support something. Most Linux distributions automatically detect and update hardware configuration changes, and it's been that way for over 3 years.

      Which brings me back to my previous post's point. You obviously aren't an expert at Linux, because the complaints you list ceased to be an issue 3 years ago.

    7. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by strider69666 · · Score: 1

      First of all, different distributions DO have different support and function levels.

      Linux Consistency IS crappy. It's a widely known FACT (something that is provably unarguable) that Linux distributions deviate from each other enough to be almost separate OS's in some cases, and that the differences between distributions is why there ARE different distributions. By definition DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTIONS MEANS INCONSITENCY!!!!!!

      So, you're gonna sit there and tell me that granma number one doesn't care if her photo collection of her grandchildren can't be recieved by her nephew who uses Linux because his distribution of said OS isn't compatible with the WINDOWS program she created the album with. Uhhh....yeah, right.

      So, WINE hasn't matured enough to run some Win-only games. Well, if Linux was ready for the consumer OS market, it wouldn't need WINE now would it. That statement alone that you made about WINE not being mature (ergo Linux is not mature) SUPPORTS MY OPINION.

      If money doesn't tell you that they are a better consumer OS, then what does? The fact that they have a 90% base? The fact that all the best software is made for their OS? The fact that even though that software is ported to Linux, it's support on Linux is spotty at best? There is more that proves that Windows is the best AVERAGE CONSUMER OS on the market, but i'm not gonna sit here and type it all.

      Blatant falsehood. Again, you're previous comment about WINE makes your "I laugh" comment irrelevant and an obvious ploy to try and gain ground where there is none for you to gain.

      "Most Linux distributions automatically detect and update hardware configuration changes, and it's been that way for over 3 years." Boy, you just love eating feet don't you. That statement right there again supports my opinion about Linux not being consistant. You argue that it is, but at the same time add support to what you are arguing against.

      Again, I will say one more time, I like Linux. I am not "ProWindowsFUD". I just look at the numbers and facts. I will also say again that I would LIKE to see Linux do good and mature to a level where it IS a good AVERAGE consumer choice for an OS.

      P.S. I never claimed to be a Linux expert, and you OBVIOUSLY are not either. And the "3 years ago" thing? Bullshit like there's no tomorrow. If that was all 3 years ago, then we must all have travelled back in time because it is still quite evident today.

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    8. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

      I don't need to eat feet...you've already eaten them all.

      Market share, money made, and software made for the platform say NOTHING about the quality of the platform or that it excels. It only says that Windows is good enough for many users, and has the market penetration ISVs need in order to justify writing programs for it. Windows is not even the best "average consumer OS" on the market. That honor goes to MacOS. But then, we're not really talking about Linux being the best consumer OS, we're talking about it being sufficient.

      Re: eating feet. You'd love to find some solace in words coming out of my fingers, but there just isn't any for you. The statement you referenced clearly and completely disproves your statement about Linux not having support and requiring kernel recompiles for hardware configuration changes. You'd love for it to be some other way, but you lack the mental grasp of Linux to be able to demonstrably prove it even if what I said weren't true. I've never had to recompile my kernel for hardware changes.

      The bottom line is that Linux is already a good choice for an average consumer OS. Your lame attempts at trying to characterize me as some sort of zealot are just trying to distract from the fact that you don't know enough about Linux and lack the debating skills to make the case that it ISN'T ready. There are whole areas of subject matter you could bring up that would be worthwhile in a *PRODUCTIVE* discussion of whether Linux is ready to be a G.P. consumer OS. The average consumer wants to pay their bills, write letters to grandpa, organize their digital images and audio, and Linux has the tools to let a consumer do that in a straightforward fashion. I've never made the point that Linux is a better choice than Windows -- I've made the points that Linux is an option and Windows isn't the flawless wonder you've been representing it to be.

    9. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by strider69666 · · Score: 1

      Ok. Now your being a dildo. I am not making Windows out to be a flawless wonder, as is evident in my previous posts STATING that I know Windows is not flawless. And you have to be a total fucking idiot to believe that Market share, money made and software made for the platform have nothing to do with the quality of the platform. Are you daft? If it's not about quality, useability, or the fact that it excels, then why would anyone make software for it? Why would it have 90% market share? Jesus, you really are grasping at non-existant straws. I was simply expressing my opinion, but now you've pissed me off with your "I'm wearing magical glasses that make me blind to blatant facts, blind to other peoples posts except what I want to see, and they also make me look cool! At least, my mom says they do!" crap. If you weren't a zealot, you would be able to admit that Linux is INCONSISTANT, HARDER TO USE THAN THE AVERAGE CONSUMER WANTS, AND NEEDS TO UP THE ANTE QUITE A BIT TO BE A REAL CONTENDER!!!! And, sir, it is you who lacks debating skills. All you have done is put words in my mouth, try to put me down for my opinion, and completely closed yourself to irrefutible facts. I now quit this debacle, as I am seriously over armed and outfitted to continue in this "baby has poopy diapy so baby gonna pout" discussion. Good day, and good luck.

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    10. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

      Prove that they relate to the quality of the platform. You have nothing to stand on but your (baseless) assertion that they do.

      When the market doesn't have any choices, you build marketshare.

      When the market doesn't have any choices, you can charge what you want ($90 for Windows 98, in 2003??? please)

      When the market doesn't have any choices, the ISVs will write software for your platform, regardless of whether or not its the best.

      The hardware selection trumps the OS selection, because most people decide based on hardware cost, not OS quality. If it weren't, Macs would be what everyone uses and Intel PCs would be the niche platfrom.

      Keep shouting all you want, that doesn't make you right. Linux is not perfectly consistent, but it is stable. Linux is not perfectly easy to use, but it's easy enough for my parents and grandparents. The learning curve for using KDE/Gnome is pretty small coming from Windows. As time goes on, it will continue to improve.

      If you think Linux isn't ready, you've got the blinders on.

    11. Re:Linux SHOULD be killed... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

      Further, you should look up the word "facts" in the dictionary. It obviously doesn't mean what you think it means, because opinions aren't facts.

  163. Open Source *MUST* "grow up". by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    Open Source is like automobiles 100 years ago. Approximately a century ago, the horse-and-buggy industry saw that automobiles were being adopted by a much wider segment than merely a handful of hobbyists. The horse-and-buggy industry tried its best to pay legislators to pass restrictive laws, and used all sorts of FUD to scare people away from that thar new-fangled horseless carriage. Sound familiar ?

    Open Source is no longer the province of a bunch of hobbyist geeks. It is becoming a commercial success. That has made it enemies, because it is a "disruptive technology" that is depriving established companies of profits. Indeed, it is threatening to destroy some old-line companies altogether. With their backs to the wall, those companies have no choice but to save themselves in the only way possible, i.e. by destroying Open Source.

    The natural enemies of Open Source software are proprietary software companies. SCO's expensive Unix is being wiped off the map by linux. Microsoft is having relatively minor problems with Open Source competition at present, but the potential for disaster is there. They are losing not only OS profits to linux, but Office sales to Open Office. Look at Netcraft and note what's happened to their share of the web-server market since March 2002. Repeat that trend for Windows and Office, and MS is toast.

    Open Source needs allies that are just as big and powerful as its enemies. The natural allies of Open Source are non-software companies, whose core products aren't threatened by free software, indeed, benefit from it.

    Those of you old enough to remember IBM's anti-trust problems will find it amusing that one of the charges against IBM was that it gave away allegedly free software with their computers, and the proprietary software companies complained that they couldn't compete. IBM prospered in that environment before, and they can prosper in it again. IBM's hardware side sees Open Source as a chance to boost profits by not paying "Microsoft Tax" on every PC they sell. And as far as IBM's consulting arm is concerned, they don't care if they get paid to manage Windows, linux, OS/2, heck they'd even manage Commodore Vic-20's if you could make it worth their while.

    Other potential allies are small/medium/large businesses that are now saving money thanks to Open Source, and face the prospect of those savings being legislated away from them.

    This isn't merely a question of whether or not your city hall will give Open Source a fair chance. It's also a question of whether your national legislators will outlaw Open Source altogether. "Turn the other cheek" doesn't defend you against the schoolyard bully. You must get involved in the political process in your respective countries. Like it or not, Open Source supporters will have to get involved in politics in your respective countries. You will have to identify candidates who will allow Open Source to survive, and work for their election.

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  164. That doesn't solve the problem. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    That of accountability.

    Either MTAs need a central authority which could yank rights to send mail, or MTAs need to have the capability to learn webs of trust. TLS, which just lets you encrypt stuff and does only hostname matching on a cert doesn't help.

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  165. Nothing New by alanmusician · · Score: 1
    The idea that linux will have to either grow or die is a bit like those football commentators who say things like "What this team needs to do to win is fight hard and put more points on the board."

    Linux has been in this "grow or die" place many times, and to some extent, it's entire existence. This may be the most powerful resistance it has encountered, but it is also more deeply entrenched than ever before. Also, if SCO loses, which is highly likely, this issue will be significantly less serious than must be prepared for at this time.

    "Grow or die?" Considering that this is practically the basis of Open Source, that statement sounds a bit cheesy.

    1. Re:Nothing New by LowellLife · · Score: 1

      'The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has.'

      I don't pretend that the SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. I think CRINGELY pretends that the THE LINUX COMMUNITY pretends that there's no crisis.

  166. Yeah, I'll second that by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    I am with a university lab that started out with a VAX controlling our main experiment and made the transition to SUN 2 (and later SUN 3) and Unix. The Unix world was mainly C and C source code compatibility, and the way you looked at data collected from your experiment was to hire programmers to write your own display and data crunching software for X-Windows. We bought SUNs from Motorola through Intel and stopped short of SPARC. Then the bottom dropped out of our funding (can you say Gramm-Rudman-Hollings? I thought you could!).

    What got chopped from the budget were programmers -- they cost 2-3 times more than scientists because you didn't need to support the scientists 100 percent because the scientists could hold faculty jobs and teach courses. We couldn't upgrade to SPARC because we could afford the boxes, but we couldn't afford the people who knew how to recompile the sources. Our data visualization/analysis stuff all went over to PCs and Windows.

    There is this other lab on campus doing physics experiments. Here are all these high-power magnets people, EM fields people, plasmas people. When they power up their experiment, it is like Mission Control -- they have a whole bunch of computer stations tended by grad students: each grad student is monitoring some separate variable or measurement.

    The experiment is pulsed, so every time they do a "shot", they collect a burst of data with multi-channel A/D's, and what are these work stations running? They are all PCs running Windows running Matlab, and each grad student has written their own Matlab scripts to visualize the data burst they are responsible for. Just like Mission Control, the grad students are polled about how the run went, and the fire the next shot and collect another data burst.

    Yeah, yeah, you can get Matlab for various Unix systems, but the point of this is the big success of PCs and later Windows is that they are binary standards running binary-distributed commercial software, and the cost of the commercial licenses is peanuts compared to the cost of paying people who would know how to compile stuff from source let enough roll your own software these days.

    Oh, and back at our lab, our engineer guys (yeah, we laid off the programmers, and the engineers are just as costly, but the engineer guys keep the experiment hardware running and configure PC systems and write VB software on the side -- they do multiple jobs while the software guys seem to have some kind of union about what they can do), anyway, our engineer guys thought they would bring up Linux on a spare PC. The idea was that if the grant melted down, the engineer guys could put Linux on their resumes in looking for jobs.

    Remember, we were once a Unix shop that went to PCs in pursuit of the commercial software packages. The Linux experience didn't go anywhere over, yup, the driver issue. We sent two of our guys to a Linux short course, they got Linux up alright, but they never got it connected to the network. Oh, and the engineer guys had all this other stuff they were supposed to be doing and never got back to this Linux business.

    I am responding positively to your post -- you don't need convincing, but I don't have my flame-resistant suit if I responded negatively to one of your critics. I mean, here we are discussing whether the market penetration of Linux is stalled, you say it is because of driver API's, and a bunch of guys pile on with this business of Open Source purity.

    A person can have Open Source purity up to here, but even if you had the source, a lot of your customers don't want to deal with building from source, and your critics would call the guys who don't know their way past Windows to a Unix command line lusers (around here we call them Professor and these are the guys who write the proposals that bring in the funding), and the fact that you got jumped on for suggesting something as basic as a stable API for binary distribution of drivers suggest that Cringely and other crystal ball gazers are spot on about the Linux revolution being stalled.

  167. By default, I dispute the IP claim by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong about the IP claim, but it always comes up, and I'm yet to see any authoritive statement that it is actually true.

    I also think there is confusion about what "the open source community" are asking for. They are not asking for the IP that is embedded in the driver to be revealed. This seems to be a common assumption. That IP would be revealed if Nvidia open sourced their driver code. The open source community like vendors who open their driver code, because it saves time, but that certainly isn't what is being asked for.

    What the open source community are asking for is how to ask the hardware to perform a particular task, where the steps to perform that task is already embedded in the hardware ie. open hardware programming specifications. They feel that it is their right to be able to have that information, as they own, rather than license, the equipment. As an analogy, if you buy a car, would you be happy if the vendor then told you where you could or couldn't drive, or how you were to drive. You would turn around and say "Its my car, I'll do with it what I like!". Just like Nvidia shouldn't care if you buy one of their video cards, and then use it to stir paint in a can. They have already made their profit, as they sold it to you. They won't get any more revenue from you if you use it to display graphics, or use it to stir paint.

    You could say that how to get the card to perform a task is where the IP is. That may be the case, although consider this; the PCI / AGP bus is an open specification, with commands going across it in clear text ie. there is no encryption. Anybody who can afford a PCI / AGP bus analyser ($100K maybe?) could easily reverse engineer what the Nvidia drivers are doing.

    Of course, you typical individual can't afford a PCI / AGP bus analyser, so your IP is protected from them. But is that who you need to protect your IP from ? Shouldn't you be more worried about protecting your IP from your competitors eg NVidia need to protect it from ATi ? Wouldn't a company like ATi easily be able to afford a PCI/AGP analyser, easily be able to pay engineers who know how to use one. In summary, the openness of the PCI/AGP bus doesn't protect the programming techniques very well, if at all, from the people you may most want to protect it from.

    BTW, you don't necessarily need an PCI/AGP bus analyser to reverse engineer a driver. Recently, a GPL driver was developed for the NVidia ethernet network cards, for which NVidia only published a binary driver. What did NVidia achieve by only releasing a binary driver ? The only thing they achieved was to possibly reduce the number of people who might buy their hardware. forcedeth: A new driver for the ethernet interface of the NVIDIA nForce chipset, licensed under GPL.

    That is why I can't see any sense in the IP claim, unless people (and Nvidia themselves) are confused between a request for open hardware programming specs, and a request for open sourcing the proprietory driver source code.

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  168. HURD? by why-is-it · · Score: 1

    Linux itself is only the kernel of a Unix-like operating system. It can be easily replaced with a clean-room implementation, that is absolutely unencumbered

    That reminds me, what is the current status of the HURD?

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    1. Re:HURD? by cpghost · · Score: 1

      The Hurd is a microkernel-based kernel. The principles behind it are very much different from well-understood monolithic designs a la Linux or *BSD.

      The Hurd currently runs on top of Mach. There is a Debian Hurd distribution that you can try out, if you wish. Currently, the Hurd is being redesigned and in the process of being ported to L4. See l4-hurd page.

      More importantly is this: the Hurd project was not (yet?) able to attract enough kernel gurus, 'cause most of them are fiddling with Linux. Should Linux become illegal (I'm sure it won't, please don't get me wrong here), a lot of those talented Linux hackers would probably turn their attention to Hurd (or the l4-hurd project), and this project will pick up steam very rapidly.

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    2. Re:HURD? by AngstAndGuitar · · Score: 1

      While the senario you describe would happen to some extent, I think that there are two most likely outcomes of the SCO case...

      1) SCO loses compleatly.
      In this case there is no need to do anything.

      2) Some but not much code is ordered purged.
      Kernel Gurus will spend thier time purging that code that may be ordered removed.

      I can't really see anything like a total victory for SCO.

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