"Anyone remember what Caesar had? I only remember that he was declared dictator in a state of emergency, allowed under Roman law at that time.
The Tribunes of the Plebs had the power to Veto any action by the Roman government, and thier safety and right to impose a veto was considered sacred under Roman law. Mark Antony was one of the 10 Tribunes, and closely allied with Caesar. (His mother was Caesar's cousin). Mark Antony vetoed a motion by the Roman Senate to strip Caesar of his powers as Governer of Gaul, and was forcibly driven from the Senate along with another Tribune that was allied with Caesar. This provided Caesar with the excuse that he was marching on Rome to protect the Tribunes of the Plebs from the illegal actions of the Senate.
You may have read Rand, but you failed to grasp her message. The "fascist" label that you seek to attach to her is a clear indication of that. Facism's founder was Moussalini, former member of the the Italian Socalist party and editor of it's newspaper until he broke with the party during the first World War over the question of Italy entering the war, not over the Socalist party's statist ideology.
No Matter how much the left lives in denial, Rand's observation that Socailism, Communism, and Facism are mere variants of statism remains valid.
Nor was Rand a big fan of those who gained thier wealth by inheritance. In the "Objectivist Newsletter" she stated that heirs right to thier wealth does is not inate, but is derived from the right of the creater of the wealth to dispose of the properity that they created.
I Don't know where you dreamed up the part about the "dweebs living off their inheritance and their talented minions just tune out and drop out of the broken system" when there were only two people who inheirited money who moved to the valley, and they were invited for thier ability, NOT for thier wealth. Most of the villans in the Novel, including the primary antagonist James Taggart, were heirs with little ability.
If you managed to read "Atlas" from a neutral perspective rather than through leftist lenses you will find that Rand took as dim a view of Bussiness owners securing favors from the government as she did of any other group using the government as a means of securing privillages.
Rand was a champion of the indiviual against the state, and a proponant of severely limiting the powers of the state (Which is the reason the left hates her so much). She wasn't concerned with wheather a violation of a persons rights was the will of a leftist dictator, a rightist dictator, a group of wealthy heirs, or the will of the majority of the people. These were minor details compared to the fact that an indiviuals rights had been violated.
Nor was rand opposed to the idea of a "Democrtaic Republic", but to a Democratic Republic with unlimited powers. She clearly recognized that a Democarcy had murdered Socrates in the past and had abused the Rights of African Americans in her lifetime, and had commited these violations of basic human rights with the approval of the majority of the citizens of the "Democrtaic Republic".
Her ideal state was a Democratic Republic with severely limited powers over the indiviuals. One that was limited to providing a military as protection against foriegn invasion, a police force as protection against criminals, and a court system as a means of settling disputes between citizens.
"If property law were applicable here I'm sure the argument would have been presented in a case like this."
AOL has used property law arguments in suits filed against spammers who tried to claim first admendment "rights" AOL won every case.
The First Admendment recogiizes the right to speak. It dosen't give you the "right" to force others to provide you with a printing press or a TV transmitter, or access to thier internet resources to disimate your speech.
Spammers have the right to set up websites, to purchase ads from those who are willing to sell them space, to set up "free" e-mail services where users recieve the ads as a cost of agreeing to the service. They do not have the right to use the assets of others against thier wishes.
Most of the "foot soldiers" of the Taliban were the products of the Saudi religous schools set up in Pakistan for the Afghan refugees. Most of the Al Qaeda "foot soldiers" are university students and from wealthy and upper middle class arab families.
Marx's economic determinism lacks a model for the Islamic inspired terrorism that is becoming too common. The "Wrongs" that attract recruits to Al Qaeda are the importation of western culture and ideas into Islamic nations. Thety view these as dangrous to thier view of Islamic "purity". Increasing the general wealth of the people in Islamic nations will result in a greater demand for western products and a greater exposure to western ideals. These ideas are a direct threat to the world view of the Wahabist and S'hia Islamic sects.
Western culture is seductive. People find many of it's ideas attractive. Islamic fundementalists consider ther seductive ideas a danger to the faith, and will consider thier faith under attack as long as there is a single person who has a different world view.
This is far more than a "war against terrorism". It's a religous war. On one side you have the free thinking ideals of modern western society. On the other a religion that seeks to return to the dark ages. Theier plans are no secrect. To reestablish the calphite with all Islamic nations placed under the religous and secular power of a fundementalist caliph, and for the new Islamic empire to resume the conquests that were underway in the 8th century.
If you own a house that is easily viewed from a public road do I have the "free speech" right to paint an ad on the side of your home? To turn your car into a rolling billboard by painting an ad on it? To build a transmitter to insert thier ads into someone elses TV or radio programing
Free Speech does not extend to using others properity against thier wishes. If someone wishes to use the domain, the equipment, and the bandwidth that I'm paying for, then they can damn well pay me for advertising.
Spammers want free speech as in "free beer" not as in freedom, and they seek to gain this "free" speech by transfering the costs of the ads to the people recieving thier garbage by driving up the costs others pay for maintaining e-mail services.
"I am tired of people throwing around examples and conjectures on the "natural" variation in planet-wide temperatures as a reason to not take a hard look at our own role."
You can't be as tired of those conjectures as I am of hearing Neo-Ludites attempting to use Global Warming as an excuse to implement thier agenda to "counter global warming". These are the same kinds of people who espoused radical forms of Socalism a generation ago, and who will seek new excuses to exert control over the world economy if reserach does show that Global Warming is a natural phenomia that humans had little if any part in.
The Causes and efects of Global Warming need to be researched, and if humans have played a major role in causing warming, and if the warming will have a major negative impact on the lives of future generations, then it's time to take action to check it.
The Idea of taking actions that will result in major changes in lifestyles in the present without assurances that it will result in an improved lifestyle for future generations is an absurdity. In the 20th Century the Socilal Planners created the nightmares in National Socalist Germany, In the Soviet Union, In China's Cultural Revoulation, and the Killing Fields of Cambodia. On a lesser scale they destroyed the hability of American Cities and created vast housing projects that quicly truned into drug and crime ridden hell holes. After the failures of the past Century the Social Planners are now trying to scare us into turning the world economy over to them to "stop" Global Warming.
"16% of the US population is living below the poverty line, that's the highest that number has been since 1970. And you want to vote Libertarian so we can elevate that number? "
Liberals will "elevate" the number by changing the "poverity line" when it suits thier political needs, so why worry about it?
Thanks to liberal number games, the United States has 300 pound "poor people" who own cars, TVs, and steereos, while poor people in Asia and Africa die of starvation in the streets.
" I think the reason for the ADA is that there are NOT enough disabled Americans to have any measurable effect if they don't support specific companies."
No that is the excuse for the ADA. The reason is to provide income for the lawyers that pushed the ADA through Congress.
Aphrodite Development slowed down because of the constantly changing APIs while Mozilla was being developed. It was rewritten several times without adding any new features just to keep up with the APIs. Right now Aphrodite is on hold because the primary developer (Me) has picked up a free lance job in addition to his day job. 16 to 18 days don't leave much time for Aphrodite, and of course software you are being paid to work on takes precedance over free software like Aphrodite. I'm hoping to resume development on Aphrodite later this year when the project I'm working on ships. Thales aka John Dobbins
"If you don't like what's in a movie, you're within your rights to not watch that movie. There are good movies out there that don't have all those elements in them. Your desire to not see anything violent does not mean that Peter Jackson has a responsibility to cut out all the battle scenes in Lord of the Rings in order to let you watch it.
Nor does it mean that another company should be able to change Jackson's work to better suit your tastes."
Let's see, The Director and Producer can chop parts like Bombadil and replace Glorfindal with Arwen in Lord of the Rings, but no one else can alter thier vision?
Holywood has been butchering books and plays that represent other people's "artistic visison" for years. I have no problem with others doing the same to thier product as long the original movies remain availble to those who want them.
Econmic imbalance? No It's a sign that two companies tapped new markets with goods and services that a great many people wanted. Walmart owes it's sucess to bringing discount mass merchandising to rural areas that were ignored by K-mart and Sears. Microsoft owed it's early sucess to software that met the needs of the average user at a better price than the compittion, though they have since leveraged that sucess in an unethical manner.
20 years ago different companies were in the top 10. 20 years from now Microsoft and Walmart will be out and people will be bitching about the owners of some companies that are small or non existant at the present.
Not in the least. Perhaps because I don't measure my selfworth against what others earn or have. That type of envy is a sign of personal insecurity.
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"Think about it, will the public really trust these stacked "review" boards anyway."
Did they trust Clinton's stacked boards? The Dems get a lot of $$$$ and votes from the Tree Huggers, so they put Tree Huggers on the boards. The GOP gets a lot of $$$$ and votes from the Fundies, so they put Fundies on the Boards. No matter which party is in power, it's a foolish to assume that a goverment "science review" board is unbiased. They exist to endorse administration policy, not to give unbiased advice.
" Democracy in America never existed. America's capitalistic democracy is just another form of Feudalism, where the majority of the wealth, freedom, and voice, will pass from the privelidged to their children. so let us dream of the future and not on the fallacies of the past."
ROFLMAO Feudalism is a system where wealth and power are based on a limited comodity, land. Capitalism is a system where new wealth is created. If you bothered to look at the differences instead of parroting stale old leftist slogans you would find that Capitalism replaced Feudalism with a dynamic system where the "Wealthy" are an ever changing group. If your premise was true the wealthiest people in America would have names like Washington and Adams. Instead you find a constant pattern where the Wealthiest people are those who created thier own wealth, and most often rose out of the lower classes.
Dumb Analogy? Your post ammounts to trying to excuse your theft of services provided by others with "It isn't stealing because I really didn't want it bad enough to pay for it". Sorry no matter how little you want the services that went into creating that media, you still stole those services. Your excuse is far dumber than you think my analogy is.
"Given that, and given that it's getting worse rather than better, the only response is civil disobedience. Sticking it to the man, if you like."
Civil Disobedience entails openly violating a law as a means of protesting it's unfairness. Start a Web site that is clearly owned by you, where media is availble for download is civil disobedience. Using a P2P network where you remain unknown is the act of a sneak thief, out to get a media collection that they don't want to pay for.
"A copy of a thing is not the thing. This is not "stolen goods" but "copied information"."
Not that hackneyed old BS again. The Money that you would have paid for the services that were performed in creating the media has a very real aspect to it. when you take the media without paying for it, it's theft of services, and no different than an employer that refuses to hand out a paycheck to a programmer after a month of coding because it's just ones and zeros on a hard drive.
"Hmm... I suppose Ghandi and MLK Jr had it all wrong! Those dirty criminals..."
Ghandi & King weere advocates of civil disobedance, that is of publicaly violating a law as a protest against it's unfairness. They were not scoffalaws that refused to obey laws because they saw a financal advantage in ignoring them. (Something I can't say about many of the posters to this forum)
Now that the officals in Wilmington are using the steerotypes to decide who is going to become a criminal, they need to expand the number of steerotypes beyond "Criminal Negros". Let's see There is a steerotype of "Pigs" who ready to assault defendants, so they need to add the Wilmington Police Force to thier database. There is a steerotype of "Crooked Politicans", so everyone who ever ran for office in Wilmington needs to be added.
" Oh, the point is well taken, but I wonder why one would develop time travel at all if not to look at past historical events?"
The important thing to remember is events that we consider important may not be viewed as important in the future, while events that seem trivial now may be considered very important at some future date. If the UFOs are in fact Time machines, then it could mean that an event that we hardly notice today could be considered a major turning point in history to future generations. Few people noticed the crufixiation of a man in 30 CE, yet it considered one of the major points in history some 2000 years later. Something may be going on now that we consider as unimportant as what most people of 30 CE considered an execution in a backwater outpost of the Roman Empire, but will be viewed ver diferenly by our ancestors.
"I would expect a lot of people to want to go back and see what exactly happened at Calvary when the local romans put a couple guys to death, and more importantly, over the three days following"
That event may be as meaningless to time travellers of the distant future as it was to the majority of inhabitants of the Roman Empire of 30 CE.
An AC posted: " Moron, the bodies were all over the damn place. One primary target was the slum just north of the downtown Panama City area, which was hit with white phosphorous, napalm and high explosive. The bodies were burned in the dump to the west. US Armys own records document at least 11,000 noncombatant casualties in that fiasco. and the number is definitly higher than that"
Hey Pinhead!, US records show just over 500 Panamanian deaths, The Panamanian goverments are similar. The Far Left Wing Lunatic Fringe and the gulible dweebs that use them as a source are the only ones dumb enough to swallow the thousands of deaths BS.
15,000? Have you been reading the lunatic fringe's El Chorillo nonsense? Too bad that no one can find those thousands of bodies that the far left alleges were killed. You post also ignores the attacks against US servicemen stationed in Panama by Panamaian National Gaurd forces, and Pineapple face's Declration of War against the United States a few days prior to the Invasion.
The ISPs could stop a lot of the spam by a simple tatic, domain blocking. Say Teensluts.com spams users at ISP.com. ISP.com sends a warning that any futher spam directed at thier users will result in Teensluts.com domain being blocked at thier domain servers for 30 days resulting in zero visits for a month. A Second offense could result in a 90 day suspension, and a third offense in the "death penality" of a permanant block.
Currently Spam results in more visits to a site, and the Spammer don't care if they piss off 100 people if they can get 1 person to click through. Domain Blocking Spammer sites would not only keep the Spam from working, but would also prevent other regular users of the site from visting it resulting in a loss of income for Spammers.
It won't stop all the spam, but it would get rid of click through spam.
" Um, basically, Nixon's fraud wasn't good enough in 1960. It got better. Until he got caught tho -"
Nixon wasn't the one committing the fraud, Kennedy was the benificary of fraud by Daily (Father of Gore's campaign chairman) in Chicago, and Johnson in South Texas. The fraud swung the Illinois and Texas over to Kennedy giving him the Whitehouse.
The Tribunes of the Plebs had the power to Veto any action by the Roman government, and thier safety and right to impose a veto was considered sacred under Roman law. Mark Antony was one of the 10 Tribunes, and closely allied with Caesar. (His mother was Caesar's cousin). Mark Antony vetoed a motion by the Roman Senate to strip Caesar of his powers as Governer of Gaul, and was forcibly driven from the Senate along with another Tribune that was allied with Caesar. This provided Caesar with the excuse that he was marching on Rome to protect the Tribunes of the Plebs from the illegal actions of the Senate.
No Matter how much the left lives in denial, Rand's observation that Socailism, Communism, and Facism are mere variants of statism remains valid.
Nor was Rand a big fan of those who gained thier wealth by inheritance. In the "Objectivist Newsletter" she stated that heirs right to thier wealth does is not inate, but is derived from the right of the creater of the wealth to dispose of the properity that they created.
I Don't know where you dreamed up the part about the "dweebs living off their inheritance and their talented minions just tune out and drop out of the broken system" when there were only two people who inheirited money who moved to the valley, and they were invited for thier ability, NOT for thier wealth. Most of the villans in the Novel, including the primary antagonist James Taggart, were heirs with little ability.
If you managed to read "Atlas" from a neutral perspective rather than through leftist lenses you will find that Rand took as dim a view of Bussiness owners securing favors from the government as she did of any other group using the government as a means of securing privillages.
Rand was a champion of the indiviual against the state, and a proponant of severely limiting the powers of the state (Which is the reason the left hates her so much). She wasn't concerned with wheather a violation of a persons rights was the will of a leftist dictator, a rightist dictator, a group of wealthy heirs, or the will of the majority of the people. These were minor details compared to the fact that an indiviuals rights had been violated.
Nor was rand opposed to the idea of a "Democrtaic Republic", but to a Democratic Republic with unlimited powers. She clearly recognized that a Democarcy had murdered Socrates in the past and had abused the Rights of African Americans in her lifetime, and had commited these violations of basic human rights with the approval of the majority of the citizens of the "Democrtaic Republic".
Her ideal state was a Democratic Republic with severely limited powers over the indiviuals. One that was limited to providing a military as protection against foriegn invasion, a police force as protection against criminals, and a court system as a means of settling disputes between citizens.
AOL has used property law arguments in suits filed against spammers who tried to claim first admendment "rights" AOL won every case.
The First Admendment recogiizes the right to speak. It dosen't give you the "right" to force others to provide you with a printing press or a TV transmitter, or access to thier internet resources to disimate your speech.
Spammers have the right to set up websites, to purchase ads from those who are willing to sell them space, to set up "free" e-mail services where users recieve the ads as a cost of agreeing to the service. They do not have the right to use the assets of others against thier wishes.
Marx's economic determinism lacks a model for the Islamic inspired terrorism that is becoming too common. The "Wrongs" that attract recruits to Al Qaeda are the importation of western culture and ideas into Islamic nations. Thety view these as dangrous to thier view of Islamic "purity". Increasing the general wealth of the people in Islamic nations will result in a greater demand for western products and a greater exposure to western ideals. These ideas are a direct threat to the world view of the Wahabist and S'hia Islamic sects.
Western culture is seductive. People find many of it's ideas attractive. Islamic fundementalists consider ther seductive ideas a danger to the faith, and will consider thier faith under attack as long as there is a single person who has a different world view.
This is far more than a "war against terrorism". It's a religous war. On one side you have the free thinking ideals of modern western society. On the other a religion that seeks to return to the dark ages. Theier plans are no secrect. To reestablish the calphite with all Islamic nations placed under the religous and secular power of a fundementalist caliph, and for the new Islamic empire to resume the conquests that were underway in the 8th century.
Free Speech does not extend to using others properity against thier wishes. If someone wishes to use the domain, the equipment, and the bandwidth that I'm paying for, then they can damn well pay me for advertising.
Spammers want free speech as in "free beer" not as in freedom, and they seek to gain this "free" speech by transfering the costs of the ads to the people recieving thier garbage by driving up the costs others pay for maintaining e-mail services.
You can't be as tired of those conjectures as I am of hearing Neo-Ludites attempting to use Global Warming as an excuse to implement thier agenda to "counter global warming". These are the same kinds of people who espoused radical forms of Socalism a generation ago, and who will seek new excuses to exert control over the world economy if reserach does show that Global Warming is a natural phenomia that humans had little if any part in.
The Causes and efects of Global Warming need to be researched, and if humans have played a major role in causing warming, and if the warming will have a major negative impact on the lives of future generations, then it's time to take action to check it.
The Idea of taking actions that will result in major changes in lifestyles in the present without assurances that it will result in an improved lifestyle for future generations is an absurdity. In the 20th Century the Socilal Planners created the nightmares in National Socalist Germany, In the Soviet Union, In China's Cultural Revoulation, and the Killing Fields of Cambodia. On a lesser scale they destroyed the hability of American Cities and created vast housing projects that quicly truned into drug and crime ridden hell holes. After the failures of the past Century the Social Planners are now trying to scare us into turning the world economy over to them to "stop" Global Warming.
Liberals will "elevate" the number by changing the "poverity line" when it suits thier political needs, so why worry about it?
Thanks to liberal number games, the United States has 300 pound "poor people" who own cars, TVs, and steereos, while poor people in Asia and Africa die of starvation in the streets.
No that is the excuse for the ADA. The reason is to provide income for the lawyers that pushed the ADA through Congress.
Aphrodite Development slowed down because of the constantly changing APIs while Mozilla was being developed. It was rewritten several times without adding any new features just to keep up with the APIs. Right now Aphrodite is on hold because the primary developer (Me) has picked up a free lance job in addition to his day job. 16 to 18 days don't leave much time for Aphrodite, and of course software you are being paid to work on takes precedance over free software like Aphrodite. I'm hoping to resume development on Aphrodite later this year when the project I'm working on ships.
Thales aka John Dobbins
Nor does it mean that another company should be able to change Jackson's work to better suit your tastes."
Let's see, The Director and Producer can chop parts like Bombadil and replace Glorfindal with Arwen in Lord of the Rings, but no one else can alter thier vision?
Holywood has been butchering books and plays that represent other people's "artistic visison" for years. I have no problem with others doing the same to thier product as long the original movies remain availble to those who want them.
No It's a sign that two companies tapped new markets with goods and services that a great many people wanted. Walmart owes it's sucess to bringing discount mass merchandising to rural areas that were ignored by K-mart and Sears. Microsoft owed it's early sucess to software that met the needs of the average user at a better price than the compittion, though they have since leveraged that sucess in an unethical manner.
20 years ago different companies were in the top 10. 20 years from now Microsoft and Walmart will be out and people will be bitching about the owners of some companies that are small or non existant at the present.
Not in the least.
Perhaps because I don't measure my selfworth against what others earn or have. That type of envy is a sign of personal insecurity.
Did they trust Clinton's stacked boards? The Dems get a lot of $$$$ and votes from the Tree Huggers, so they put Tree Huggers on the boards. The GOP gets a lot of $$$$ and votes from the Fundies, so they put Fundies on the Boards. No matter which party is in power, it's a foolish to assume that a goverment "science review" board is unbiased. They exist to endorse administration policy, not to give unbiased advice.
ROFLMAO
Feudalism is a system where wealth and power are based on a limited comodity, land. Capitalism is a system where new wealth is created. If you bothered to look at the differences instead of parroting stale old leftist slogans you would find that Capitalism replaced Feudalism with a dynamic system where the "Wealthy" are an ever changing group. If your premise was true the wealthiest people in America would have names like Washington and Adams. Instead you find a constant pattern where the Wealthiest people are those who created thier own wealth, and most often rose out of the lower classes.
Your post ammounts to trying to excuse your theft of services provided by others with "It isn't stealing because I really didn't want it bad enough to pay for it". Sorry no matter how little you want the services that went into creating that media, you still stole those services.
Your excuse is far dumber than you think my analogy is.
Civil Disobedience entails openly violating a law as a means of protesting it's unfairness. Start a Web site that is clearly owned by you, where media is availble for download is civil disobedience. Using a P2P network where you remain unknown is the act of a sneak thief, out to get a media collection that they don't want to pay for.
"A copy of a thing is not the thing. This is not "stolen goods" but "copied information"."
Not that hackneyed old BS again. The Money that you would have paid for the services that were performed in creating the media has a very real aspect to it. when you take the media without paying for it, it's theft of services, and no different than an employer that refuses to hand out a paycheck to a programmer after a month of coding because it's just ones and zeros on a hard drive.
Ghandi & King weere advocates of civil disobedance, that is of publicaly violating a law as a protest against it's unfairness. They were not scoffalaws that refused to obey laws because they saw a financal advantage in ignoring them. (Something I can't say about many of the posters to this forum)
Now that the officals in Wilmington are using the steerotypes to decide who is going to become a criminal, they need to expand the number of steerotypes beyond "Criminal Negros". Let's see There is a steerotype of "Pigs" who ready to assault defendants, so they need to add the Wilmington Police Force to thier database. There is a steerotype of "Crooked Politicans", so everyone who ever ran for office in Wilmington needs to be added.
The important thing to remember is events that we consider important may not be viewed as important in the future, while events that seem trivial now may be considered very important at some future date. If the UFOs are in fact Time machines, then it could mean that an event that we hardly notice today could be considered a major turning point in history to future generations. Few people noticed the crufixiation of a man in 30 CE, yet it considered one of the major points in history some 2000 years later. Something may be going on now that we consider as unimportant as what most people of 30 CE considered an execution in a backwater outpost of the Roman Empire, but will be viewed ver diferenly by our ancestors.
That event may be as meaningless to time travellers of the distant future as it was to the majority of inhabitants of the Roman Empire of 30 CE.
Perhaps they are visiting us now. Perhaps the UFO's are Time Machines instead of Space Ships, and the ETs are what humans will evolve into.
" Moron, the bodies were all over the damn place. One primary target was the slum just north of the downtown Panama City area, which was hit with white phosphorous, napalm and high explosive. The bodies were burned in the dump to the west. US Armys own records document at least 11,000 noncombatant casualties in that fiasco. and the number is definitly higher than that"
Hey Pinhead!,
US records show just over 500 Panamanian deaths, The Panamanian goverments are similar. The Far Left Wing Lunatic Fringe and the gulible dweebs that use them as a source are the only ones dumb enough to swallow the thousands of deaths BS.
15,000?
Have you been reading the lunatic fringe's El Chorillo nonsense? Too bad that no one can find those thousands of bodies that the far left alleges were killed. You post also ignores the attacks against US servicemen stationed in Panama by Panamaian National Gaurd forces, and Pineapple face's Declration of War against the United States a few days prior to the Invasion.
Currently Spam results in more visits to a site, and the Spammer don't care if they piss off 100 people if they can get 1 person to click through. Domain Blocking Spammer sites would not only keep the Spam from working, but would also prevent other regular users of the site from visting it resulting in a loss of income for Spammers.
It won't stop all the spam, but it would get rid of click through spam.
Nixon wasn't the one committing the fraud, Kennedy was the benificary of fraud by Daily (Father of Gore's campaign chairman) in Chicago, and Johnson in South Texas. The fraud swung the Illinois and Texas over to Kennedy giving him the Whitehouse.