Hey, but where will new Linux users come from? My son is a bit of a Linux fanatic (although only occasional user) and my daughter is sitting next to me surfing with Mozilla...
Hmmm, me and my wife survived for 2 and half years making only $32000 for the both of us. $1180 mortgage, $80 internet, $100-$200 heating, and all the other standards.
I'm impressed. Do you have kids?
My wife and I made less that this when we were first married. When our kids were born she stayed home to raise them. Now that the kids are teenagers she's going back to work (she is a teacher).
They insist on having cars with working heat and blinkers (hehe). And the biggest thing: Carrying credit card balances.
My current car is 10 years old - with all parts working:) (my wife's car is 4). And I don't carry credit card debt.
Thanks for making my case for me there. Sort of the whole point, isn't it? I buy $50 meals in restaurants each night... because I can afford it. (Not really) That doesn't exactly prove that eating out costs $50/night.
In the New York area it is cheaper to have a house in the suburbs than to rent an apartment in the city. My mortgage payments are less than rent for a studio apartment in Brooklyn.
I need to live reasonable close to where I work? No? My daily commute takes up nearly 3 hours.
I wish companies would outsource more stuff to New Jersey, so that I could walk to my office.
. but I guess I'm wondering when those became rights or entitlements or even had anything to do with being happy or unhappy. People on Slashdot are always bashing the consumerist culture that is taking over -- but heaven forbid you actually post a way around that trap!
I agree that you can live on a lot less. But you should try being married and rasing children.
Who paid your tuition when you went to college? What about your medical insurance?
There is an article in Salon about what Americans are spending their money on. The bulk of it is mortgages and medical insurance.
Do you know that a private medical insurance policy costs about $1000/month for a basic family insurance? If your $28,000/year employer does not provide insurance, you're out on your own.
A flu shot costs $80...
What if you live somewhere without public transportation? I live in the suburbs (because I can afford a house there), but the nearest grocery
store is 3 miles away and there is no public transport.
As an Indian in the IT industry I resent your charecterisation of us as starving slave labour. You just compare our salaries on an exchange rate basis without factoring purchasing power parity and then say that we're being made to work for a pittance. Well guess what? A thousand dollars a month is a very comfortable salary in India.
I'm very happy that you can live well on $1000/month. The world will be a lot better, if more people can live comfortably.
However, what will you do when your company discovers that in China people can live really well for $100/month and that their population is well educated and able to do your job?
So, maybe you'll have to take a job for half the salary you expect, but I bet any programmer could find some job for $28,000/year. That's still a liveable wage. Show me the problem...
1. If you have your own computer, install Linux. If your parents have ties to the NSA, better make that OpenBSD instead. The fact is that, unless one of your parents has a beer gut, wears t-shirts with slacks, and hasn't groomed their beard in a couple of decades, they don't know how to use UNIX. You could leave it logged in as root all the time, and they probably wouldn't know what the hell was going on (not that I'm suggesting you do that. Use strong passwords!).
When I gave my 16 year old son his laptop I was going to install Linux, but he did not want it.
Actually, that is kind of messed up. I've never met a kid who aimed to be such a "perfect" child without being pushed or shamed by the parents.
You don't have any children of your own. Do you?
The people I've met with overprotective parents inevitably went "wild" when they finally got to college. Those that didn't were somewhat "off", and had trouble interacting with the regular populace (and by "regular", I don't mean "party-goer").
What makes you think the previous poster is an overprotective parent?
I have a piece of equipment that sits in my house and plays free(!!!) music, received via a wireless protocol. It has analog sound output that I can hook up to a computer. Is that cool or what!
I wonder if they included this restriction just to please the music studios. This is quite possibly the easiest thing to get around - burn the CD once and then just copy that CD instead of burning the files again. Unlimited copies!
I'll tell you - people. no-one wants someone looking over their shoulder, you even want your guru to just sod off for a bit and let you try stuff out yourself.
Wait until you have to write some that has to be 100% solid when it's installed at your biggest customer site. Then you will want about 5 people looking over your shoulder checking what your write.
The other plus to pair programming is that there is another person that really knows the code, so you can take long lunches and vacations.
I'm no expert, but isn't this exactly what OOA and OOD is all about? Isn't the whole point of OOA and OOD to get away from the "waterfall method" and allow changes in requirements, use cases, code, etc...?
Not really. OO is a different approach to structuring systems and is a replacement for Structured Programming.
Even with OOA and OOD people have tried to apply formal or semi-formal processes, which tend to look a lot like a waterfall approach (eg. RUP etc).
XP starts with the assumption that requirements will change and the that all requirement are not known at the time when you start building the system.
I'm a happy user of Emacs. But for my wife and kids I had set up YeahWrite. It's a shareware windows program, which is very simple to use for most writing assigments. My kids have been using it since first grade.
My son, who's now in high school, stopped using Word and installed YeahWrite (there is free-as-in-beer version) and uses that for homework.
I think I'll teach him LaTex next, so that he will be ready for college.
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Exactly. People like musicians, authors, coders and so on expend considerable effort making some new work. Nobody is paying them to do this, and they hope that they can make something that worthwhile and that enough people like, and hopefully they'll be able to make some money, pay life's bills and create more works.
Only a handful of artists (musicians, authors or coders) can make a living from selling copies of their works.
For example, most jazz musicians must constantly work (play gigs, teach etc) to make a reasonable living.
The same for authors. Only a handful can make a living from writing and selling books. Most have to have a "day" job.
I've been a coder for a long time and I haven't yet received a single royalty payment. I have to get up every morning and go to work.
So, we are trying to create draconian systems to fight against the natural property of digitized information - the ease of copying and distributing = just to protect the livelihood of a handful of people?
Adapt or die. I'm not worried about the lack of music or art. There will always be people who want to create it...
the artists, entertainers, engineers, the rest of the crew; don't they have a right to make a buck too?
Actually, no. They can work at something that pays and if it stops paying they should find other jobs. Nobody has a right to be paid. They need to have willing customers - just like the rest of us.
Just because it's easier to steal digital media then other types of property does not make it right. Last I checked there was no god given right to "free music"
It's not "stealing" it's copying. There is a difference. If I go to a food store and see a loaf of bread and then I go home and make a copy, will I get arrested?
Rather than blocking why don't ISPs (espeacially briadband) give their users a router that's a fire wall too? It should be configured to block everything and if the user wants they can enable what they need.
In fact, you could make a device that was a DSL/Cable modem and roututer/hub in one.
(Try this: steal a car from someone you don't like. When the police stop you, tell them that it's okay because the owner is a real jerk. See how far that gets you.)
I'm not taking anything away. I may deprive the artist of some potential royalties.
However, if the person who gets the file/CDR from me likes the music he may become a fan and go to see the artist perform and buy his own CDs. So there is a good chance that what I do will result in more income for the artist.
If you're not gaining anything by "promoting" the artist, then why do you do it?
I may find another person who likes the same stuff I do and that's always fun. In turn he can let me hear some new music I haven't heard anywhere else that I may like.
This is the old fashioned way to find out about new music. I can't get it from anywhere else...
That we should just ditch copyright and have a literal free-for-all? Personally, I think that creative people deserve to be paid for their work, which is exactly why downloading copyrighted music is unethical.
I'm fine with the artist being paid for their work. But what work is the artist doing when I copy a CD or a file and give to a friend? I'm doing all the work, I pay for the CD-R or bandwidth.
I should get paid for promoting the artist. Especially if this is an artist who's music will never be played on the radio or MTV...
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Hey, but where will new Linux users come from? My son is a bit of a Linux fanatic (although only occasional user) and my daughter is sitting next to me surfing with Mozilla...
No offense taken :). Having kids is a wild ride..
I'm impressed. Do you have kids?
My wife and I made less that this when we were first married. When our kids were born she stayed home to raise them. Now that the kids are teenagers she's going back to work (she is a teacher).
They insist on having cars with working heat and blinkers (hehe). And the biggest thing: Carrying credit card balances.
My current car is 10 years old - with all parts working :) (my wife's car is 4). And I don't carry credit card debt.
In the New York area it is cheaper to have a house in the suburbs than to rent an apartment in the city. My mortgage payments are less than rent for a studio apartment in Brooklyn.
I need to live reasonable close to where I work? No? My daily commute takes up nearly 3 hours.
I wish companies would outsource more stuff to New Jersey, so that I could walk to my office.
I agree that you can live on a lot less. But you should try being married and rasing children.
Who paid your tuition when you went to college? What about your medical insurance?
There is an article in Salon about what Americans are spending their money on. The bulk of it is mortgages and medical insurance.
Do you know that a private medical insurance policy costs about $1000/month for a basic family insurance? If your $28,000/year employer does not provide insurance, you're out on your own. A flu shot costs $80...
What if you live somewhere without public transportation? I live in the suburbs (because I can afford a house there), but the nearest grocery store is 3 miles away and there is no public transport.
I'm very happy that you can live well on $1000/month. The world will be a lot better, if more people can live comfortably.
However, what will you do when your company discovers that in China people can live really well for $100/month and that their population is well educated and able to do your job?
Have you tried living on $28,000/year in the US?
When I gave my 16 year old son his laptop I was going to install Linux, but he did not want it.
You don't have any children of your own. Do you?
The people I've met with overprotective parents inevitably went "wild" when they finally got to college. Those that didn't were somewhat "off", and had trouble interacting with the regular populace (and by "regular", I don't mean "party-goer").
What makes you think the previous poster is an overprotective parent?
Well, they some of these, so called "public stations", that just play all sorts of music I like with a very long playlists :)
Shhhh!!!! Don't tell them!
How do you spend half a million dollars a month (!!!) on phone service? Did they all their calls routed via Fiji Islands?
If the U of A has 2000 phones, then monthly bill for each would be $250. Sounds like they were being ripped off..
Wait until you have to write some that has to be 100% solid when it's installed at your biggest customer site. Then you will want about 5 people looking over your shoulder checking what your write.
The other plus to pair programming is that there is another person that really knows the code, so you can take long lunches and vacations.
Not really. OO is a different approach to structuring systems and is a replacement for Structured Programming.
Even with OOA and OOD people have tried to apply formal or semi-formal processes, which tend to look a lot like a waterfall approach (eg. RUP etc).
XP starts with the assumption that requirements will change and the that all requirement are not known at the time when you start building the system.
My son, who's now in high school, stopped using Word and installed YeahWrite (there is free-as-in-beer version) and uses that for homework.
I think I'll teach him LaTex next, so that he will be ready for college.
Only a handful of artists (musicians, authors or coders) can make a living from selling copies of their works.
For example, most jazz musicians must constantly work (play gigs, teach etc) to make a reasonable living.
The same for authors. Only a handful can make a living from writing and selling books. Most have to have a "day" job.
I've been a coder for a long time and I haven't yet received a single royalty payment. I have to get up every morning and go to work.
So, we are trying to create draconian systems to fight against the natural property of digitized information - the ease of copying and distributing = just to protect the livelihood of a handful of people?
Adapt or die. I'm not worried about the lack of music or art. There will always be people who want to create it...
Actually, no. They can work at something that pays and if it stops paying they should find other jobs. Nobody has a right to be paid. They need to have willing customers - just like the rest of us.
Just because it's easier to steal digital media then other types of property does not make it right. Last I checked there was no god given right to "free music"
It's not "stealing" it's copying. There is a difference. If I go to a food store and see a loaf of bread and then I go home and make a copy, will I get arrested?
In fact, you could make a device that was a DSL/Cable modem and roututer/hub in one.
I'm not taking anything away. I may deprive the artist of some potential royalties.
However, if the person who gets the file/CDR from me likes the music he may become a fan and go to see the artist perform and buy his own CDs. So there is a good chance that what I do will result in more income for the artist.
If you're not gaining anything by "promoting" the artist, then why do you do it?
I may find another person who likes the same stuff I do and that's always fun. In turn he can let me hear some new music I haven't heard anywhere else that I may like.
This is the old fashioned way to find out about new music. I can't get it from anywhere else...
I'm fine with the artist being paid for their work. But what work is the artist doing when I copy a CD or a file and give to a friend? I'm doing all the work, I pay for the CD-R or bandwidth.
I should get paid for promoting the artist. Especially if this is an artist who's music will never be played on the radio or MTV...