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Home Stereo Equipment With Online Music Purchasing
nebulous bee writes "Yahoo is reporting on a new piece of home stereo equipment going on sale in Japan that has an ethernet port that can be linked directly to an online music store. You can purchase new music using the unit's built-in LCD display and hear it 'instantly'. No PC required. There are no plans to sell it yet outside of the land of the rising sun."
Else, oh no, someone might make a copy of the music they purchased for themselves.
Why would anyone ever purchase information? That's illogical. Information should be shared freely, perhaps for donations. Trying to do otherwise is like trying to hold water in your hands--you can't hold gravity off forever, and you can't keep information locked forever.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
For some reason, having my stereo hooked up to the net buying songs seems just a little too close to pay-per-use than I'm comfortable with.
Now when this piece of hardware breaks I lose my entire music collection? No Thanks!
I mean... no PC nedded...
That means, store goes out of business... protocol changes... not to mention if you decide for a USB modem... SUCKER!!!
This will never work.
I mean, geez, like it's really difficult to buy music using a PC.
how long until
There are no plans to sell it yet outside of the land of the rising sun."
Good. I don't want my stereo, or anything else besides my computer, networked and DRM'd to death. I'm starting to not even want my computer networked.
It will be Linux based, and will work with NetMD disks.
I guess this is what we are going to in the near future, all of our appliances will have some sort of computer inside them, a computer that's capable of doing what the appliance needs. /. story about a refrigerator that allows you to buy groceries online, it's just a matter of time.
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The IT section color scheme sucks.
Could this be the next step for Apple? It would make sense to me. A $500 to $700 device that looks good, is linked to your Mac and iTMS account, and looks really, really cool. I give it a year to six months.
OH no! Little Johnny accidentally bought 5,000 songs on the home stereo. There goes his college education.
Are you suggesting that Japan is geographically challenged?
no its not shut up now or you are a stupid downt you understand there is no sun but in the ford the cats can hear your thought do you understand now do you i dont think so cause you cant comprehend what i'm saying see what i mean there is not an earth just me and i forget i exist sometimes
Note that Europe means "the land of the setting sun".
...until someone "hacks" these machines, causing each machine to download 1,000 copies of Britney's latest single?
The horror!
Is it me, or does this seem quite racist? I kind of sarcastic jab at another culture?
It's just you.
I would expect such blatant racism on Fark, but on Slashdot? Mods please ban this asshole.
I've been waiting for something like this for a while. This device will make it even easier for me to hand over my money to the RIAA.
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racist of who? the submitter for calling it "the land of the rising sun"? or racist of japan for not selling it abroad? either case, I think it's just you. However, I am not Japanese, so I can't really decide.
"provincial" might be a better term if the last is what you meant.
It kind of reminds me of the time that an inexperienced editor for the WSJ once changed a stock report to say that the market was "in the African-American."
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
but can it also do video?
think about all the pr0n...oh it's not free,
well then I hope there would be a hack to install Kazza there
it's offtopic. thank you.
And Sir Haxalot is a known troll.
They have JukeBoxes that do this in the U.S. now. I always request "Kokomo"
it's just more proof that the linux movement is just a cover for homosexual racists
machine can do that too. So what is so revolutionary about this? I have been using an old IBM Stinkpad as a stereo system for quite some time now. Sounds great when hooked up to a 600W stereo amplifier with 12 inch woofers and an array of horn tweeters. Stinkpads are good for something after all...
when the box craps out and you lose all your saved songs you didn't burn to the mini-disk? And I can see it now.... "You seem to like Britteny Spears songs, so I took the liberty of purchasing her entire new album for you" :-)
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Is it me, or does this seem quite racist?
"Land of the rising sun" isn't derrogatory. "Land of tentacle rape" might be, though just as accurate.
Of course they have no plans to sell it here in the States ... Microsoft would accuse them of being monopolistic for only allowing the songs to be played on that stereo!
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You can purchase new music using the unit's built-in LCD display and hear it 'instantly'. No PC required.
It's been suggested that Apple should try this very thing -- Wi-Fi functionality built into an iPod that would allow it to download music from the iTunes Music Store via wireless broadband and making the computer entirely optional.
Nobody's said that Apple's actually pursuing the technology, but you gotta admit it's a mighty good idea.
When that rogue nation ICBM hits in a town near you, and the EMP wipes out all your ethernet purchased "eeeemusic" from your "peeceees", I'll be warm in cozy in my bomb shelter with a can of spam and my vinyl records -thank you very much.
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It's called an iPod. Just add a $2 stereo Y cable from any old electronics store and it plugs into every rack system known to man.
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I Might like this.
Linux based device that lets you purchase the songs, and you can use them on any other like devices through the mini-disk - or, as the article says, any other "normal" entertainment system. (Or just mini-disk accepting ones, or can you burn to CD? Details are lacking on that regard.)
Charges $2 per song file - a bit much, but if its DRM free I could go for that.
The biggest question is of course the format. Is this a lossy format, so we're losing some quality, and when we burn it to a mini-disk it puts it in "normal" music mode (much like the iTunes store can burn AAC/MP3 files to a standard Audio CD), or some lossless format - probably the former, as the latter would require tons of storage space.
Lots of questions, but based on the statements of the article, it actually sounds fairly non-DRM friendly. Might be worth a checkout.
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The winner will be whoever gets this technology into wi-fi mp3 players. But then again, a bluetooth connection between PC and stereo would be pretty sweet.
I would also like to see a way to play a song once for a lower price than buying it outright.
Maybe partying will help...
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No calling Japan the land of the rising sun isn't racist. Just as it isn't racist to call America the land of Apple pie and base ball (or however it is supposed to be phrased).
On to the real subject. This could never catch on in America at the moment because America is not as centralized as Japan. Mabey as soon as they get these super fast gigahert connections to connect appliances then something like this is feasable.
I can import one and get all of the new Shoyu Weeni tunes.
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So what happens with a piece of kit like this? If I lose my stereo, or buy a new one, do I have to buy my music again? How on earth is this different from the situation with Windows XP nowadays, where I have to beg and scrape with Microsoft to let me use the software I bought and paid for if I buy a new PC?
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Digital media companies are trying to have their cake and eat it too. What's funny to me is that they will end up getting exactly what they want from digital music, and won't lose a thing in the long run from P2P. What is it? Iron-fisted control over our music. You have a new device? Pay us again to listen to your music on it. You lost your music? Too bad, you're the idiot, even though it would cost us next to nothing to let you download it again.
Bah!
it's called Pay-per-view.
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this non-physical device includes every sound that's ever been/ever will, be made, as a standard feature.
also included, is the creator's increasingly popular planet/population rescue initiative (formerly unknown as the oil for babies program), which coincides perfectly (we do not use that word lightly) with the onset of the gnu millennium.
secure? why this stuff is unbreakable, & works on several (more than 3) dimensions.
the daze of the phonIE payper liesense corepirate nazi stock markup fraud execrable is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the speed of right. not much secure IT to be had with those fauxking foulcurrs.
the pateNTdead eyecon0meter kode has been used extensibly, in helping to eXPose many of the ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys fallicIEs surrounding the efforts of the felonious billyonerrors/softwar gangsters to mask their greed/fear/ego based misdeeds, & ongoing frauduleNT behaviours.
still much to be done. see you there.
consult with/trust in yOUR creator regarding decisions of the heart/mind/wallet. that's the spirit, moving you.
for each of the creator's innocents harmed, there is a badtoll that must/will be repaid by you/US, as the aforementioned perpetraitors of the life0cide against the planet/population, will not be available to make reparations.
get ready to see the light. there's no going back, & no where to hide.
iTunes -> Amp -> Speakers.
Everything else can go fuck itself 'cause music-wise, I'm done.
And tomorrow, Microsoft will announce that this service is "too limiting" and will announce their competing service.
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What? You mean the U.S. doesn't get daylight anymore? bummer.
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Secondly, this is Japan that we're talking about. The don't have a RIAA to screw things up. Granted, they still are ruled by giant corporations and their society is congenitally screwed up, but in a different way than America is congenitally screwed up with big corporations and lawyers.
Even if this came to the States I couldn't use it. Thanks Apple, thanks bunches.
So as a person who is a heavy music buyer, audio freak, and computer lover, you think I and others would be gun ho about these music services. Nope, I'm continuing to buy CDs. I recently decided to build my own stereo appliance, since there doesn't seem to be any affordable home players out there that support OGG and FLAC. At least there is now a portable that does.
That would be excellent! I can't wait to install a mod-chip for the refridgerator...
Gives new meaning to "free as in beer"!
I knew this was comming. Pay for play jukeboxes in your home. Say goodby to your cd folks, in ten years they'll be phased out. Ok, I'm exaggerating. The infrastructure isn't in place in the U.S. and may never be. Even so, I have no doubt this is the direction the music industry wants to go, and boy am I hoping they fail.
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HOLY SHIT! Like my 3 year old Hewlett Packard DE100C that runs Linux and had online music purchasing until they shut down the service a few months ago? HOLY SHIT! Give me an expensive Japanese version of something I've owned for years!!! Slap some freaky sony-anime style on it's case and WOOHOOFOO!!!
About six months ago I ditched my stereo. I was moving to a new apartment and didn't want to move a big bulky stereo so I sold it to the kid down the street. I already owned an iPod (5GB model), so I bought a nice set of computer speakers and that's my new stereo set-up.. It's small, sounds great in my small apt, and is easy to move.
before an iPod adapter for this? Kinda like the Siruis boombox.
Seems like a hell of a digital hub product. As long as there are no ads and same price (or cheaper) for the iTunes music store, I see this doing well.
But then again... I'm not very good at holding my breath.
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There are some interesting differences in Japan's music industry that should be considered.
1) cd prices are fixed, at least for a certain time period after the release. when i lived there it was 3000 yen (US$27) for an album and 1000yen (US$9)for a single.
2) they have a much stronger emphasis on singles over albums. mini-cd singles are sold in huge numbers, for 1000 yen.
3) they have CD rental shops much the way many countries have video/dvd rental shops. I think albums rent for like 400 yen and singles 200 yen? Can't remember.
Therefore, this is a country whose music industry is not as concerned with home copying of the music (otherwise they wouldn't rent them), has people convinced a single is worth 1000 yen and so selling them as downloads for 210 yen can be successful even though this is like twice what apple charges, and has a music buying public that is used to buying songs one at a time instead of buying albums.
All CD's and Stereo junk is gone: replaced with iPod.
All DVD's are gone: replaced with divx on single 250 gig drive.
All photo's are gone: scanned and sitting as high quality jpgs on computer.
> Users will be able to browse, download, store and
> play song files, record them on a mini-disc or
> transfer them to other digital music devices, said
> Any Music CEO Fujio Noguchi.
I supposed way back when you'd figure a society without slaves to be a "utopia" and thus impractical. Same mentality. "Utopia" is a loaded word.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
How to mod this puppy into a Linux server.
A social security or credit card number is not content--it is a key.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
IM-not-so-HO, calling Japan the 'land of the rising sun' is as racist as calling Chicago the 'windy city'. Another case of PC going haywire...
When my roomate and I redid our apartment with wifi we figured out we had a few more ports we could play with, so we dug out an old p200, set it to pick up a shoutcast from an ip range (so it would pick up either my shoutcast or my roomate's). Instant jukebox for our home theater. We even got a wireless keyboard, mounted it to the wall and trade off the reciever to whoever is broadcasting for a party. Less than 100 bucks in parts and i see a virtually identical system in the Best Buy ad for $400. God bless being a dork.
It's not stupid. It's advanced.
Sounds like your confused anyway. Find another site fag.
Just think, you could spend a $5 to have your songs bumped to the top of the queue in your living room! And all of this without a PC!
Any music put on harddrives is almost always inferior to regular cd's.
I can see where they are going with this.
An IPOD sound system.
But that's why I have a computer.
Don't need it.
Anyways I always buy American quality stereo systems.
Three Letter Acronyms. Argh. LCD Display = Liquid Crystal Display Display
So it's an in-home "buy" button for the LabelGate service. Great. One more scheme to perpetuate the myth that record companies are still necessary.
On the positive side, one more potentially nifty piece of hackable home media center hardware that will be available cheap when it's discontinued.
The wife threw me out the house so I moved into a small flat and replaced her with a Palm.
Sure it's not your five-foot mega-spiffy setup that costs $10,000 and is distinct enough to let you hear a pin drop, but with all the allergens in the NE stuffing me up I usually can't hear a pin drop in the real world anyway. My desktop is all the music center I'll ever need, and it also plays games and finds free porn. Let's see your MP3 stereo do that.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
"Unless Any Music decides to make radical changes to their service model, a Windows-based version of this hardware will still remain a closed system, where owners cannot access content from other services. Additionally, users of this are limited to music from LabelGate's Music Store. As I mentioned earlier, this is a drawback for Windows users, who expect choice in music services, choice in devices, and choice in music from a wide-variety of music services to burn to a CD or put on a portable device,"
I await the day when I have to license the right to change the volume on my stereo.
You can purchase new music using the unit's built-in LCD display and hear it 'instantly'. No PC required.
It's always amazed me how high tech gadgets are marketed as being "not computers" when that's exactly what they are! Things like the "Earthlink Mailstation" that allows you to "check your e-mail without a computer". I'm pretty sure I've even seen advertizing for TiVo claiming that it wasn't a "computer". Amazingly, Joe Blow consumers seem to not even think of gaming consoles as computing devices! I realize that this is done so as not to scare away the technilogically illiterate, but I still reserve the right to incredulity every time these claims are made! Seriously, without computing technology how do people think these things work? Little men with pointy shoes and long beards reaching to their knees inside the case?
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
Now I'm really confused, I don't smoke!!
>All CD's and Stereo junk is gone: replaced with iPod.
Are you saying that you have kept copies of your CDs and gotten rid of the originals? Wouldn't that be stealing?
>All DVD's are gone: replaced with divx on single 250 gig drive.
Are you saying that you have kept copies of your DVDs and gotten rid of the originals? Wouldn't that be stealing?
I say, keep the original media (staying within your "owner" fair use rights) in one of those nice CD/DVD binders hidden away in a closet somewhere while you use the digital backups as your primary media source.
To have your music locked to your stereo. No thanks. I have enough trouble connecting computers to the Internet, when my stereo wants to connect, that's where I draw the line.
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You know, I've seen this argument made by quite a number of people. Yet, though this seems to be used to justify the idea of using Kazaa and friends to download copies of songs, I never see in the news where suddenly musicians are receiving checks and money orders in the mail from random listeners who downloaded their music via P2P and decided to pay the $1 or so per song/album whatever.
Essentially, put up or shut up. You don't like the rules? Fine, shut up and deal. Don't buy the music. But don't listen to it either. Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, it is illegal to simply grab music en masse from the internet that you have not purchased and that was not given to you by the copyright holder (or legal representative).
And frankly, even if you did pay for the music by sending in this, thus far mythical, $1 check to your favorite artist, it still wouldn't constitute appropriate payment as that is not what has been authorized by, again, the copyright holder (again, or legal representative). If you *do* get that authorization, bully for you. You've scored a $1 album. Otherwise, too bad, thanks for playing.
Go ahead, write a novel. It's just information, right? You don't mind if I just download it and then distribute it to the whole world without requiring anyone to actually buy it from you, do you? Or perhaps I could just send you whatever I feel like sending you, regardless of any terms you may have set forth? Oh, it *is* fine for you? Great, but why then, when you disagree with how others have chosen to have their material distributed, are you suddenly right and they are wrong? It's their choice to make, not yours.
what does 'LCD' stand for again?
thought so.
Frankly, I don't want a "buy" button on my stereo. Too easy to push when drunk.
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I know that it's fairly simple to serve songs from a linux machine to iTunes through Rendevous.
Are there any clients for the Apple Rendevous music protocol (I have no idea what the protocol's name is).
This seems like a fairly decent way to share music around in the house between multiple servers and clients. I already have a Linux machine in the TV/Stereo mix, and music is played via NFS.
It seems like Rendevous would allow for more flexible and dynamic combinations of stuff. For example, when a friend comes over with a laptop. He can just share music to the main stereo, with no hassle about permissions to copy files, etc.
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Apparently it has "an ethernet port that can be linked directly to a music store."
I don't particularly want my hi-fi to stick out the side of a music store and nor do I want to buy miles of ethernet cable and a whole lot of repeaters.
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if you had a beowulf cluster of these things?
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This makes sense for urban Japan. Broadband prices went through the floor recently(http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08/ pipedream_pr.html), and now all my friends have great 24/7 broadband connections.
This should really give iTunes a run for it's money. I believe Japanese people like fully integrated solutions... and this looks like it could deliver.
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Basically and ethernet port on the back of a receiver. Using THEIR software, you can connect to 'Internet Radio' ( shoutcast and such ), as well as local mp3/WMA shares.
Nothing new here...
--Chemguru
If they had a system that enabled on-line music publishing I know several people who would sign up...Of course, they'd need to support the web pages.
(Mind you, I didn't say I'd be willing to listen. Wanting to publish your music, and having decent music to publish are two different things. But then I won't buy CDs, either. And even before I had political reasons, my selection was quite limited, so what do I know.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
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Seems like a hell of a digital hub product
Actually, All-In-One products kinda run contrary to the 'hub' idea.
... finding out that your friends bought 500 songs, while you were passed out drunk in the corner with the dog.
Year, I look forward to that day...
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OF COURSE IT'S PAY PER USE!! And as soon as it crashes, you pay to hear your music again.
I'm suing the RIAA for selling me their audible crack, also known as 'music'. They hooked me with a low quality 'top 40' freebie when I was only eight. I couldn't help myself, all the other kids were doing it. My school teacher even encouraged me to try it. I've been an adict for so many years now that I have no hope of ever quitting. And my supplier keeps raising his prices, complaining about 'piracy' and the cost of advertising. Once I tried using an alternate supplier, a guy named Napster, but the RIAA hired an expensive gang of hit-men call 'the justice department' and had him killed.
When that rogue nation ICBM hits in a town near you, and the EMP wipes out all your ethernet purchased "eeeemusic" from your "peeceees", I'll be warm in cozy in my bomb shelter with a can of spam and my vinyl records -thank you very much.
...if you live in any of the half dozen countries that will be wiped out because they may have had something to do with it, or they have some oil Bush needs to secure...
Kjella
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It's always amazed me how high tech gadgets are marketed as being "not computers" when that's exactly what they are! (...) Seriously, without computing technology how do people think these things work? Little men with pointy shoes and long beards reaching to their knees inside the case?
No, but computing is quite different from the general understanding of computer. My car is a computing device. My washing machine is a computing device. My VCR is a computing device. My cell phone is a computing device. The list goes on forever.
But I don't call any of them a computer, even though some of them are definately high-tech. Why? Because they're specialized computing devices, and usually do a better job (cheaper, user-friendlier, designed for a specific performance) than a jack of all trades, master of none. And that's what they're after when they market them as "not computers".
Kjella
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Absolutely correct. But I find it funny when people actually pronounce initials when they really shouldn't like the business process known as DMAIC. People are running around here spouting "duh-may-ik". Yikes.
So, DC is pronounced "dick" and RSVP would be "rez-uh-vip" and HTML is "hot-meal"? Humans are funny animals.
My other pet peeve is "pet peave". : )
If you throw a loaded word like "utopia" around, I won't bother debating. Same thing with something like "politically correct". I didn't mean you support slavery, I meant you had the mentality that change for the better is impractical (which is implied by the word).
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
You play it, really like it, and give some to the artist which is split with the server operators. Like magnatune.com for instance.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Just as you say, the information is in the book, the service is with the professors. Books are expensive, but the tuition is still more. If the books (information) were free, the professors would still have the same job.
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