I was downloading 2.6.0-test4 vanilla as I posted that, got it up and running just now at the second attempt. It does not run smoothly - things freeze up every few seconds and then resume after about 2 seconds. Maybe I should turn that low-latency coding on.
Changelog is your friend. Summary of changes from v2.4.22-pre5 to v2.4.22-pre6
snip
o fix a race in the plugin api for ac97
o example ac97 plugin codec Then, a bit earlier (lower down in the Changelog) and also from Alan:
o update AC97 codec core
o switch cards to new ac97_audio
o switch i810 to generalised digital out, new ac97
o ac97 updates
o update trident, fix printks, new ac97
o Update via audio - fix problems esd, mpg321
o update to new ac97_codec
o update ac97 codec headers
I made exactly one attempt. It was presumably the kernel you describe as 'unbootable' - (2.6.0-test2 in my case). There are not many Via C3 processors around, maybe the reason it would not boot was in that area.
The whole structure of Gowachin Law was an interesting exercise and one of the main aims of those fictional Gowachin lawyers was to avoid allowing cases they could lose to a courtroom - most cases were settled out of court at the behest of the party with the worse case. I am sure you did not seriously think I am expecting it to be implemented. Actually, in your example, the landlord would probably not find a lawyer prepared to take this to court. In the books, the lawyer had the power as well as the responsibility - his client would be bound by the lawyers wishes.
My point though, was that the legal system in the US allows people like McBride and his hired hands to make the most outrageous claims (GPL invalid because more than 1 copy is illegal) and it is to their advantage. SCO shares go up, SCO directors can sell their shares for more.
German law is by no means perfect, but SCO were (afaik) served cease and desist orders in Germany. They ceased. They desisted.
IBM were originally sued, and for a very large sum. It is IBM's right to defend themselves the best way they can, this includes countersuits. I have no problems with anything IBM has done in this conflict up to now. They are also defending the GPL by invoking it, good work guys - the GPL being dragged through a major court case with the big lawyers behind it is a good thing.
agreed There is enough information floating around in the normal computer publications and even in the mainstream press, that anyone who falls for this is a fool who has soon been parted from his money.
I have a few shares in a few companies (I don't have to take my shoes off to count the companies;-) ) and I made sure I knew broadly what they were up to before buying even those few shares. I suppose that shareholders in Enron, Worldcom, Marconi (in the UK) and some others had an excuse. People/organisations who bought into SCO recently have none.
There is a site around which purports to look at this from a legal standpoint as opposed to our 'IANAL' standpoints. The author there has been making it clear for a while now that SCO's lawyers are making one ludicrous and unsustainable claim after another. David Boies (sp?) has taken this case on a 'percent if we win' basis but has also been making claims that led the author to wonder if he knew anything about law at all. A couple of weeks ago, the author commented that SCO's behaviour was so obviously suicidal that the only explanation was: they are running this for a third party. The third party in question being a large monopoly based in the northern Seattle area.
Leaving that site's analysis now: When SCO folds - as it soon will - this presumably means that they will be unable to meet the legal bills of the (for example) IBM and RedHat lawyers. SCO's strategy has to be to exist for as long as possible so that their company can be milked for all it is not even worth, and then run.
That is the SCO directors, their lawyers have made a very eloquent case for the adoption of Gowachin Law in real life. (sorry about that link, it was the best I could find).
Gowachin Law was a creation of the 'Dune' author, Frank Herbert, and appeared in several of his ConSentiency books. The losing lawyer is killed by the winning one. There are ill-defined rules where other participants - including judges who do not meet standards - can also be killed.
The whole idea is that the participants are personally responsible for their misdeeds. Gowachin law is not going to be adopted any time soon, but the current system has obviously failed in that this turkey has been allowed to run for so long.
What would Red Hat gain from this? SCO was going down the Swanee fast when they started this. Now their directors will be able to sell their stock in a close to bankrupt company at inflated prices before (as someone nicely put it) the fit hits the shan. Short term profit. Unlike Enron or Worldcom, anyone who loses their savings here really should have known better. Maybe I'm wrong, but this does not seem to be what Red Hat is after. The obvious interpretation is that they see themselves as the leading Linux distributor in the US and this lawsuit:
Is something that the leader is almost obliged to do - someone has to say NO
Cements their position and raises their own profile
Quite apart from this, I have no idea of the figures involved, but considered Red Hat to be a bigger fish than Caldera. Have SCO already raised their profile so much that they are considered to be out of Red Hat's league?
I will have some moderator points, moderate you as 'Offtopic' because this story is about Germany so British spelling is irrelevant, and then post 10 flames as an AC because otherwise I would have wasted a moderator point. Actually, I speak German and was thinking of submitting this story. I did not because I simply could not grasp the central legal argument in the ruling, or (of course) translate it. Maybe Reuters will make more sense (yup, a central/. principle - DO NOT READ THE STORY UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED).
Steel is a bad example. The extra tarriffs that the current administration placed on steel imports included imports from the EU (with high environmental and safety standards) and excluded imports from some other countries with lower standards. The WTO looked into it and ruled that it was protectionism and as such, against rules which previous US administrations had heavily influenced. Steel in Europe underwent a massive consolidation in the 80's, when several countries were subsidising their steel exports as a way of announcing to the world that they had joined the industrial elite. The few survivors are pretty competitive. I know that steel production in the US has undergone some consolidation in the face of falling demand, but inefficiency and the previously high $ meant that this was not enough.
Back in 1979, Iranian Students took the Tehran US Embassy staff hostage for something like 18 months. The staff had had time to shred everything they considered worth shredding. The Students had the time and energy to 'unshred' the whole lot and reconstitute the original documents. It took them months, but they managed it. No idea if they found out anything interesting that way.
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It was only a few weeks ago, that the linux router project died through lack of funding - it was reported here. Try not to find yourself in that hole.
Nah, I discounted Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania because they are on the fast track to EU membership and no longer play by anything remotely resembling Soviet rules.
Bulgaria (not an ex-Soviet Republic) and the Ukraine are on the Black Sea which is not something you just pass through on the way to somewhere else. The Ukraine were holding a military exercise in the area a couple of years ago and shot down a passenger plane. It turned out that their air-to-air missiles had a far 'better' range than they thought. Looks like they treat it as a domestic lake.
Which coasts are you talking about? Ignoring the Arctic coastline (virtually uninhabited and pretty inaccessible), Russia has a small area of coast around St Petersburg (Leningrad) and a larger expanse between Vladivostok and the Alaska area.
It is a standard, available on most platforms. Hell, it is even available on the mainframes I work on - the only compression format that is recognised there. You cannot certify a Java version unless it is available. Everyone knows it.
enuff reasons, I never use it unless exporting to windows.
Sorry old bean I can't understand your accent. Perhaps if you typed a little slower. Are you sure you are English? The authorised version is: Sorry old bean I can't understand your accent. Perhaps if you typed a little louder. Wasn't there an episode of 'Rab C. Nesbitt' where he came to London? I never saw that one but was told that subtitles were used.
I was reading about the switch in Munich yesterday in a German publication (no link, it was paper) based in the City.
It was a political decision and as such, it carries the implicit rider: 'if this is feasable'. The IT department has started on the detailed planning for the switchover. If they decide that in is not possible or cannot be completed within budget - and this involves retraining costs - then large parts of the administration there will continue using M$ products. Reading between the lines of that article, some participants were willing to go for it and some looked to be trying to torpedo the decision.
The City of Munich has more than one HW/SW platform at the moment, it looks very much as though this situation will continue, with linux and windows both being present.
The article also considered the figure of â30 Million to be ludicrous - the M$ final offer was less than 25% of that (that was self-defeating, it demonstrated their profit-margins) and SuSE's offer (allegedly â34 Million) was also much lower.
The city is also currently migrating to SAP (no idea what from) which is taking up a lot of time/money, they were considering hiring students from the local University to help with the work.
My reading of that part of history was that the Russians were very upset that the western allies took so long about invading in France and Italy, leaving the Russians to take their losses.
You may well be right about the western allies going slow, but that was earlier in the war. I thought they were going pretty much at full speed at the end. As to what would have happened if the landings in France had been moved forwards, the Germans were anything other than pushovers. The Brits / Yanks (;-) had good reason to be cautious, and time + air superiority were on their side.
IDS, the current head of the opposition in the UK, apparently floated this idea in DC just after he was elected. They thought his grip on sanity was somewhat tenuous;-)
IDS stands for Iain Duncan Smith or something. His idea of the UK's future is allegedly as 'Airstrip One'.
The original idea of Galileo was a gambit to get the US to turn off the dithering that reduces the range for civilian uses. Then when the project was set for the big up or down vote the Bushies chose that week to start a trade war with Europe by imposing steel tarifs. So the French got their way and the decision was unexpectedly made to build it.
That rings so true. It is exactly how things work here and explains a lot.
I am suprised that in all the anti-French bashing the GOP has got into they have not remembered that France is a terrorist state and has done this sort of thing. The bombing of the Rainbow Warrior in New Zealand was a terrorist act committed by the French secret service. One of the terrorists was living in Florida until recently. If it was not for the US and British the French would be speaking German. On the other hand if it was not for the intervention of the French Navy in Yorktown you all would be speaking English. a couple of points on that:
you forgot the Russians in WW2, most of what they did against the Germans was without outside help. Hitler was insane enough to attack them and that alone sealed his death-warrant. They got to Berlin first.
When you say 'you would all be speaking English', is that a comment on Slashdot spelling?
The US has/had no problems with terrorism if it is aimed at Cuba or (a few years back now) enemies of the old Apartheid Regime in South Africa
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I was downloading 2.6.0-test4 vanilla as I posted that, got it up and running just now at the second attempt. It does not run smoothly - things freeze up every few seconds and then resume after about 2 seconds. Maybe I should turn that low-latency coding on.
:-)
At least it boots
Changelog is your friend.
Summary of changes from v2.4.22-pre5 to v2.4.22-pre6
snip
o fix a race in the plugin api for ac97
o example ac97 plugin codec
Then, a bit earlier (lower down in the Changelog) and also from Alan:
o update AC97 codec core
o switch cards to new ac97_audio
o switch i810 to generalised digital out, new ac97
o ac97 updates
o update trident, fix printks, new ac97
o Update via audio - fix problems esd, mpg321
o update to new ac97_codec
o update ac97 codec headers
I made exactly one attempt.
It was presumably the kernel you describe as 'unbootable' - (2.6.0-test2 in my case).
There are not many Via C3 processors around, maybe the reason it would not boot was in that area.
Thank you for that link. So who pays him to bang that drum?
The whole structure of Gowachin Law was an interesting exercise and one of the main aims of those fictional Gowachin lawyers was to avoid allowing cases they could lose to a courtroom - most cases were settled out of court at the behest of the party with the worse case. I am sure you did not seriously think I am expecting it to be implemented.
Actually, in your example, the landlord would probably not find a lawyer prepared to take this to court. In the books, the lawyer had the power as well as the responsibility - his client would be bound by the lawyers wishes.
My point though, was that the legal system in the US allows people like McBride and his hired hands to make the most outrageous claims (GPL invalid because more than 1 copy is illegal) and it is to their advantage. SCO shares go up, SCO directors can sell their shares for more.
German law is by no means perfect, but SCO were (afaik) served cease and desist orders in Germany. They ceased. They desisted.
IBM were originally sued, and for a very large sum.
It is IBM's right to defend themselves the best way they can, this includes countersuits.
I have no problems with anything IBM has done in this conflict up to now. They are also defending the GPL by invoking it, good work guys - the GPL being dragged through a major court case with the big lawyers behind it is a good thing.
apologies to '1066 and all that'
agreed
;-) ) and I made sure I knew broadly what they were up to before buying even those few shares. I suppose that shareholders in Enron, Worldcom, Marconi (in the UK) and some others had an excuse. People/organisations who bought into SCO recently have none.
There is enough information floating around in the normal computer publications and even in the mainstream press, that anyone who falls for this is a fool who has soon been parted from his money.
I have a few shares in a few companies (I don't have to take my shoes off to count the companies
There is a site around which purports to look at this from a legal standpoint as opposed to our 'IANAL' standpoints. The author there has been making it clear for a while now that SCO's lawyers are making one ludicrous and unsustainable claim after another. David Boies (sp?) has taken this case on a 'percent if we win' basis but has also been making claims that led the author to wonder if he knew anything about law at all. A couple of weeks ago, the author commented that SCO's behaviour was so obviously suicidal that the only explanation was: they are running this for a third party. The third party in question being a large monopoly based in the northern Seattle area.
Leaving that site's analysis now: When SCO folds - as it soon will - this presumably means that they will be unable to meet the legal bills of the (for example) IBM and RedHat lawyers. SCO's strategy has to be to exist for as long as possible so that their company can be milked for all it is not even worth, and then run.
That is the SCO directors, their lawyers have made a very eloquent case for the adoption of Gowachin Law in real life. (sorry about that link, it was the best I could find).
Gowachin Law was a creation of the 'Dune' author, Frank Herbert, and appeared in several of his ConSentiency books. The losing lawyer is killed by the winning one. There are ill-defined rules where other participants - including judges who do not meet standards - can also be killed.
The whole idea is that the participants are personally responsible for their misdeeds. Gowachin law is not going to be adopted any time soon, but the current system has obviously failed in that this turkey has been allowed to run for so long.
SCO was going down the Swanee fast when they started this. Now their directors will be able to sell their stock in a close to bankrupt company at inflated prices before (as someone nicely put it) the fit hits the shan. Short term profit. Unlike Enron or Worldcom, anyone who loses their savings here really should have known better.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this does not seem to be what Red Hat is after. The obvious interpretation is that they see themselves as the leading Linux distributor in the US and this lawsuit:
- Is something that the leader is almost obliged to do - someone has to say NO
- Cements their position and raises their own profile
Quite apart from this, I have no idea of the figures involved, but considered Red Hat to be a bigger fish than Caldera. Have SCO already raised their profile so much that they are considered to be out of Red Hat's league?I will have some moderator points, moderate you as 'Offtopic' because this story is about Germany so British spelling is irrelevant, and then post 10 flames as an AC because otherwise I would have wasted a moderator point. /. principle - DO NOT READ THE STORY UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED).
Actually, I speak German and was thinking of submitting this story. I did not because I simply could not grasp the central legal argument in the ruling, or (of course) translate it. Maybe Reuters will make more sense (yup, a central
?? - that sequence copies everything across except sockets. I have moved the /usr tree around with that command and all of the symlinks were fine.
/usr/X11 and /usr/src/linux but now I take it on trust.
The first time I ran it, I checked
cd source /target; tar xf - )
tar cf - . | (cd
sometimes I add an l-option, as it: tar cfl
Eric Raymond springs to mind
Steel is a bad example.
The extra tarriffs that the current administration placed on steel imports included imports from the EU (with high environmental and safety standards) and excluded imports from some other countries with lower standards. The WTO looked into it and ruled that it was protectionism and as such, against rules which previous US administrations had heavily influenced.
Steel in Europe underwent a massive consolidation in the 80's, when several countries were subsidising their steel exports as a way of announcing to the world that they had joined the industrial elite. The few survivors are pretty competitive. I know that steel production in the US has undergone some consolidation in the face of falling demand, but inefficiency and the previously high $ meant that this was not enough.
Back in 1979, Iranian Students took the Tehran US Embassy staff hostage for something like 18 months. The staff had had time to shred everything they considered worth shredding.
The Students had the time and energy to 'unshred' the whole lot and reconstitute the original documents. It took them months, but they managed it.
No idea if they found out anything interesting that way.
It was only a few weeks ago, that the linux router project died through lack of funding - it was reported here.
Try not to find yourself in that hole.
Nah, I discounted Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania because they are on the fast track to EU membership and no longer play by anything remotely resembling Soviet rules.
Bulgaria (not an ex-Soviet Republic) and the Ukraine are on the Black Sea which is not something you just pass through on the way to somewhere else. The Ukraine were holding a military exercise in the area a couple of years ago and shot down a passenger plane. It turned out that their air-to-air missiles had a far 'better' range than they thought. Looks like they treat it as a domestic lake.
Which coasts are you talking about?
Ignoring the Arctic coastline (virtually uninhabited and pretty inaccessible), Russia has a small area of coast around St Petersburg (Leningrad) and a larger expanse between Vladivostok and the Alaska area.
The rest is landlocked.
It is a standard, available on most platforms.
Hell, it is even available on the mainframes I work on - the only compression format that is recognised there.
You cannot certify a Java version unless it is available.
Everyone knows it.
enuff reasons, I never use it unless exporting to windows.
Sorry old bean I can't understand your accent. Perhaps if you typed a little slower.
Are you sure you are English? The authorised version is:
Sorry old bean I can't understand your accent. Perhaps if you typed a little louder.
Wasn't there an episode of 'Rab C. Nesbitt' where he came to London? I never saw that one but was told that subtitles were used.
I was reading about the switch in Munich yesterday in a German publication (no link, it was paper) based in the City.
It was a political decision and as such, it carries the implicit rider: 'if this is feasable'. The IT department has started on the detailed planning for the switchover. If they decide that in is not possible or cannot be completed within budget - and this involves retraining costs - then large parts of the administration there will continue using M$ products.
Reading between the lines of that article, some participants were willing to go for it and some looked to be trying to torpedo the decision.
The City of Munich has more than one HW/SW platform at the moment, it looks very much as though this situation will continue, with linux and windows both being present.
The article also considered the figure of â30 Million to be ludicrous - the M$ final offer was less than 25% of that (that was self-defeating, it demonstrated their profit-margins) and SuSE's offer (allegedly â34 Million) was also much lower.
The city is also currently migrating to SAP (no idea what from) which is taking up a lot of time/money, they were considering hiring students from the local University to help with the work.
My reading of that part of history was that the Russians were very upset that the western allies took so long about invading in France and Italy, leaving the Russians to take their losses.
;-) had good reason to be cautious, and time + air superiority were on their side.
You may well be right about the western allies going slow, but that was earlier in the war. I thought they were going pretty much at full speed at the end. As to what would have happened if the landings in France had been moved forwards, the Germans were anything other than pushovers. The Brits / Yanks (
IDS, the current head of the opposition in the UK, apparently floated this idea in DC just after he was elected. They thought his grip on sanity was somewhat tenuous ;-)
IDS stands for Iain Duncan Smith or something. His idea of the UK's future is allegedly as 'Airstrip One'.
Are you sure that AC troll you were replying to was not an American? That statement could have been read either way.
That rings so true. It is exactly how things work here and explains a lot.
I am suprised that in all the anti-French bashing the GOP has got into they have not remembered that France is a terrorist state and has done this sort of thing. The bombing of the Rainbow Warrior in New Zealand was a terrorist act committed by the French secret service. One of the terrorists was living in Florida until recently. If it was not for the US and British the French would be speaking German. On the other hand if it was not for the intervention of the French Navy in Yorktown you all would be speaking English.
a couple of points on that: