We give BP a waffle iron and let ESR use Jedi mind tricks. Lock them in a room. The first person to leave the room gets to call it "Open Source", the second person has to call it "Open Sores".
What the heck are you doing that requires a reinstall of Office?
I'm not doing anything. But in this office (of about 300 people) we are constantly having to reinstall (be sure to use the identical original CD!) to get back clipart, templates and so forth.
So, if you're using the fairly basic features, what's so hard to understand then?
It's not that the features are hard to understand. It's the whole product that is hard to understand. The learning curve to do anything beyond simple typing is at least as steep as learning Linux is (at least for me). For instance, I STILL can't change margins/tab-stops reliably. I just have to drag those little markers back and forth until I get what I want.
Oh please, do me a favour. Sure I'd love to run an incredibly bloated, overstuffed Office package. And no I dont mean MS Office. Give me MS Office any day. It loads on my P2-233 at work in seconds, while Staroffice takes aaaaaaages to load on my P2-350 at home.
As my mum would say "don't cut off your nose to spite your face...."
I've used MS-Office at work because I have to. But I use Corel Wordperfect 8 and Quattro Pro at home. MS-Office is VASTLY inferior and less stable than WP and Quattro Pro. It is bloated, slow, and has severe problems interacting with other non-microsoft products. Even if MS gave their office away for free, I still wouldn't install it.
Meanwhile, Word for Linux would have a crushing impact on the other Linux word processors and spreadsheets: Star Office and Word Perfect could never win the market share battle if Microsoft Word were available on the Linux platform.
Ummm...false?
Even when I was an MS-head, I hated Office. I hated doing an install. I hated the all-too-frequent reinstalls. I hated using it. I hated every aspect and feature. I always saw Office as MS's worst product and still do. It is bloated, neither WYSIWYG nor WYSIWYM, over-featured while strangely underpowered, hard to understand, hard to find help on, it silently upgrades the OS and there's no way to upgrade just part of it (try putting Access 2.0, Access 95 and Access 97 on the same machine).
In short, I hate Office and will not use it on Linux.
It just goes to show that your right fly right out the window when the court decides it wants to "make an example of you". Four years just waiting for the trial? That's pathetic and for what? Cracking systems and stealing (but never once using) some credit card numbers. Meanwhile many drug dealers, killers, and rapists are tried, jailed, and back on the streets in less time than Mitnick has just been waiting for a trial. Wheather or not Mitnick is guilty or not (and he probably is), does anyone else see anything wrong with the way the courts have treated him? Even if you despise Mitnick, you *must* despise the courts *more* for the way they have treated him.
I was discussing this with some people the other day, the variations in infinities. There is a word that I can't recall that represents a multiple of infinities, but for example you can take a simple infinity like all the natural numbers (0,1,2,3,4,5..) and obviously by adding one each time you can go on forever. But between each jump in natural numbers (1 to 2, 2 to 3) there is an infinite number of real numbers. Hence the infinity of real numbers is in some way larger than that of natural numbers.
When dealing with probability though, you can look at an example like that in the movie Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead (highly recommended). One of the pair flips a coin hundreds of times, and every single time it comes up heads. Each instance can be taken as an individual probability of 50/50, so there's even odds it will come out heads or tails each time. The problem that occurs is that as you repeat, the probability for the same occurance every time drops dramatically, but there always exists the possibility that it will land heads. In the same way, there exists a possibility such that an infinite number of moneys typing on an infinite number of typewriters will all hit the exact same key over and over again. However it's highly unlikely. Of course, it's highly unlikely you'll ever get that many monkeys typing, and if you do, I'm not cleaning up after them.
A "sick bastard and a troll" I may be, but never an AC. It looks like things are highly "alpha" right now. This is just to let you know It's me.
P.S: this is the 5th time that I have tried to make this posting under my nick! What the hell is happening around here? Every time I try to post, It comes out as "Annonymous Coward" instead of "AnnoyingMouseCoward". Has Rob converted to NT or what?
Anyone know if Starbuck is glibc 2.1 based? Last time i tried upgrading to 2.1 I ended up reinstalling.
Redhat is not a very good distro in terms of what they give, personally I always liked Slackware, but then again I've gotten into the habit of pretty much compiling everything from scratch anyway, so any distro will do for me.
A book can't hide it's source code, it can't hide it's contentes. It can't crash like a computer program, so it is kinda free. A book is much more free than a proprietary computer program, since you have the "source code" for the book. And people can sell free software, but not get very much money from each copy, so selling books about the software is IMHO a good way of making money.
Ok first of all this is about OS X Server, not consumer. Mac OS X will be out by the end of the year. So yeah, installing OS X Server on a box, running Apache then ignoring it wouldn't even be such a bad idea. As for requirements, Apple says you need a G3 with 64 Meg RAM etcetera, but this really isn't the case. This is the minimum "Supported" config. Mac OS X Server actually runs on any real PCI Mac, which is: 7300/7500/7600/8500/8600/9500/9600 and a bunch of clones. I'm running it on a 9500/233 160/2GB myself (And it ran when I had 64Mb as well), and I think it's a kickass OS. It will never outperform Linux though. What will ?
Let's just watch and see (and try!) before we "guess Apple's OS sucks" (Couldn't find an appropriate American expression for it)
Btw, last year the local Borders had scores of copies of TRA stacked on the floor like cordwood, selling for $2.95. Is that how it managed to become a "best seller"? I wouldn't take a copy free if they were giving them away.
Execs ought to be reading Guy Kawasaki's standby, _The Macintosh Way_, instead of anything by BG.
You're A Freakin' Perry Mason, eh Tom?
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Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
>> And it's not 10%
Gosh, you're right.
It's 9.958% on that link you gave us.
Good point, Tom. That's not 10%.
You nailed that one, boy.
I can't imagine how FSF can have any comeback to that one.
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This wasn't really an anti-MS thing, as much as an anti-Bill thing. And come on. This is no mindless bandwagon. How can you tell me that there is merit in Bill Gates' shameless self-promoting tripe?
I put together a set of packages which deal with PAM and Kerberos V as well as several other useful things. Most of these packages can be downloaded by anyone, however Kerberos itself and ssh are export restricted, so you might be denied access. Sorry. Also, util-linux will need to be upgraded to a more recent version than Red Hat ships currently to actually work with these modules. The SSH on this page also has a lot of minor improvements for dealing with Kerberos and AFS.
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by hackerzarus:
/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/starbuck/ /linux/redhat/ftp.redhat.com/starbuck/
ftp://phyppro1.phy.bnl. gov/pub/mirror/redhat-main/starbuck/
ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu
ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub
and of course, ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/starbuck/
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
We give BP a waffle iron and let ESR use Jedi mind tricks. Lock them in a room. The first person to leave the room gets to call it "Open Source", the second person has to call it "Open Sores".
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
What the heck are you doing that requires a reinstall of Office?
I'm not doing anything. But in this office (of about 300 people) we are constantly having to reinstall (be sure to use the identical original CD!) to get back clipart, templates and so forth.
So, if you're using the fairly basic features, what's so hard to understand then?
It's not that the features are hard to understand. It's the whole product that is hard to understand. The learning curve to do anything beyond simple typing is at least as steep as learning Linux is (at least for me). For instance, I STILL can't change margins/tab-stops reliably. I just have to drag those little markers back and forth until I get what I want.
Posted by Art Pepper:
Looks like this is where the lawyers usually come in.
Posted by stodge:
Oh please, do me a favour. Sure I'd love to run an incredibly bloated, overstuffed Office package. And no I dont mean MS Office. Give me MS Office any day. It loads on my P2-233 at work in seconds, while Staroffice takes aaaaaaages to load on my P2-350 at home.
As my mum would say "don't cut off your nose to spite your face...."
Posted by US Marine:
I've used MS-Office at work because I have to. But I use Corel Wordperfect 8 and Quattro Pro at home. MS-Office is VASTLY inferior and less stable than WP and Quattro Pro. It is bloated, slow, and has severe problems interacting with other non-microsoft products.
Even if MS gave their office away for free, I still wouldn't install it.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Meanwhile, Word for Linux would have a crushing impact on the other Linux word processors and spreadsheets: Star Office and Word Perfect could never win the market share battle if Microsoft Word were available on the Linux platform.
Ummm...false?
Even when I was an MS-head, I hated Office. I hated doing an install. I hated the all-too-frequent reinstalls. I hated using it. I hated every aspect and feature. I always saw Office as MS's worst product and still do. It is bloated, neither WYSIWYG nor WYSIWYM, over-featured while strangely underpowered, hard to understand, hard to find help on, it silently upgrades the OS and there's no way to upgrade just part of it (try putting Access 2.0, Access 95 and Access 97 on the same machine).
In short, I hate Office and will not use it on Linux.
Posted by stodge:
;)
If they televise the test watch out for disappearing desktop icons and changing window titles!!!
Posted by Nino the Mind Boggler:
...and nobody needs more than, what was it, 256k of memory? Does anybody take these public proclamations from Redmond seriously?
Posted by PasswdIs ScoreOne:
It just goes to show that your right fly right out the window when the court decides it wants to "make an example of you". Four years just waiting for the trial? That's pathetic and for what? Cracking systems and stealing (but never once using) some credit card numbers. Meanwhile many drug dealers, killers, and rapists are tried, jailed, and back on the streets in less time than Mitnick has just been waiting for a trial. Wheather or not Mitnick is guilty or not (and he probably is), does anyone else see anything wrong with the way the courts have treated him? Even if you despise Mitnick, you *must* despise the courts *more* for the way they have treated him.
Posted by |Devoid|:
I was discussing this with some people the other day, the variations in infinities. There is a word that I can't recall that represents a multiple of infinities, but for example you can take a simple infinity like all the natural numbers (0,1,2,3,4,5..) and obviously by adding one each time you can go on forever. But between each jump in natural numbers (1 to 2, 2 to 3) there is an infinite number of real numbers. Hence the infinity of real numbers is in some way larger than that of natural numbers.
When dealing with probability though, you can look at an example like that in the movie Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead (highly recommended). One of the pair flips a coin hundreds of times, and every single time it comes up heads. Each instance can be taken as an individual probability of 50/50, so there's even odds it will come out heads or tails each time. The problem that occurs is that as you repeat, the probability for the same occurance every time drops dramatically, but there always exists the possibility that it will land heads. In the same way, there exists a possibility such that an infinite number of moneys typing on an infinite number of typewriters will all hit the exact same key over and over again. However it's highly unlikely. Of course, it's highly unlikely you'll ever get that many monkeys typing, and if you do, I'm not cleaning up after them.
|Devoid|.
Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
A "sick bastard and a troll" I may be, but never an AC. It looks like things are highly "alpha" right now. This is just to let you know It's me.
P.S: this is the 5th time that I have tried to make this posting under my nick! What the hell is happening around here? Every time I try to post, It comes out as "Annonymous Coward" instead of "AnnoyingMouseCoward". Has Rob converted to NT or what?
Posted by mkultra:
If you read the specs on OSX SERVER it mentions that Web Objects has the yellowbox stuff plus the web specific stuff yellow box
over&out
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Reminds ME of Steve Jobs saying ANYTHING.
Posted by Just Another Perl Hacker from:
So... does that mean the NEXT release will be
called "Ishmael"??
Posted by Asmodean_:
Anyone know if Starbuck is glibc 2.1 based? Last time i tried upgrading to 2.1 I ended up reinstalling.
Redhat is not a very good distro in terms of what they give, personally I always liked Slackware, but then again I've gotten into the habit of pretty much compiling everything from scratch anyway, so any distro will do for me.
Posted by Surzer:
A book can't hide it's source code, it can't hide it's contentes. It can't crash like a computer program, so it is kinda free. A book is much more free than a proprietary computer program, since you have the "source code" for the book. And people can sell free software, but not get very much money from each copy, so selling books about the software is IMHO a good way of making money.
Posted by Robert Sixkiller:
Ok first of all this is about OS X Server, not consumer. Mac OS X will be out by the end of the year. So yeah, installing OS X Server on a box, running Apache then ignoring it wouldn't even be such a bad idea.
As for requirements, Apple says you need a G3 with 64 Meg RAM etcetera, but this really isn't the case. This is the minimum "Supported" config.
Mac OS X Server actually runs on any real PCI Mac, which is: 7300/7500/7600/8500/8600/9500/9600 and a bunch of clones.
I'm running it on a 9500/233 160/2GB myself (And it ran when I had 64Mb as well), and I think it's a kickass OS. It will never outperform Linux though. What will ?
Let's just watch and see (and try!) before we "guess Apple's OS sucks" (Couldn't find an appropriate American expression for it)
Posted by wri guy:
:)
... doesn't run through Redmond.
Btw, last year the local Borders had scores
of copies of TRA stacked on the floor like
cordwood, selling for $2.95. Is that how it
managed to become a "best seller"? I wouldn't
take a copy free if they were giving them away.
Execs ought to be reading Guy Kawasaki's standby,
_The Macintosh Way_, instead of anything by BG.
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
>> And it's not 10%
Gosh, you're right.
It's 9.958% on that link you gave us.
Good point, Tom. That's not 10%.
You nailed that one, boy.
I can't imagine how FSF can have any comeback to that one.
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Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
This wasn't really an anti-MS thing, as much as an anti-Bill thing. And come on. This is no mindless bandwagon. How can you tell me that there is merit in Bill Gates' shameless self-promoting tripe?
Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
that was taken word for word from some article in ZDNet. At least be original
Posted by Alf Alpha:
How about:
Gnulix -- gah-new-licks
or
Gnulinux -- gah-NEW-lin-ucks
I think either one would be pretty rockin'
Or you could go the other way with
Lingnu -- Lin-gah-new
or
Linignu -- Lin-eh-gah-new
or even
Linugnux -- Lin-ah-gah-nucks
I put together a set of packages which deal with PAM and Kerberos V as well as several other useful things. Most of these packages can be downloaded by anyone, however Kerberos itself and ssh are export restricted, so you might be denied access. Sorry. Also, util-linux will need to be upgraded to a more recent version than Red Hat ships currently to actually work with these modules. The SSH on this page also has a lot of minor improvements for dealing with Kerberos and AFS.
Light Brigade
Select the "New Athena" link.
Posted by Forward The Light Brigade:
there is apparently some beta RH release that they are calling starbucks....
anyone heard of it?