whereas most obstetricians in the western world will tell you that sex during pregnancy is considered a good thing. Releases a bunch of endorphins in the mother's blood stream that are considered good for both mother and baby.
yeah, i remember hearing all that bullshit about russians having to wait in line for food, paying outlandish prices for western goods like jeans and vcr's b/c they weren't available there, being afraid to speak out b/c the police would throw them in jail and afraid their neighbors would turn them in as dissidents if they weren't seen vocally espousing their true loyalty.. I always assumed it was completely biased propaganda in a cold war US vs THEM style.
Fast forward 20 years. I married a Russian woman and learned that what was happening was generally much _worse_ than what I had been taught. Just recently read Archipelago Gulag which again confirmed this for me. What I was hearing about russia wasn't nearly as bad as Russia really was.
Now, I don;t like the direction American laws and politics are heading one bit, and I will continue to fight against the tide. But false equivalences like the parent post show nothing so much as a lack of perspective...
fashion... The entire industry has no protection and new designs are copied immediately. Innovation (such as it is) is fast and successful companies are very successful...
This is based on 2 minutes of googling. I am sure i could come up w/ more. You yourself admit that you don't believe in evolution. This theory is excellently proven and you can see it in action. you admit it yourself for giraffes. but based on the bible, are you saying you believe in a 6000 year old universe?
You mention the earth revolving around the sun, how long was that proven before the church changed its mind on that one?
except that isn't the message coming out so you are obviously not speaking loud enough. I know several christians who i like and respect but as a block, you have let the loonies take over the conversation and the power of your group seems to be devoted to sticking your head in the ground and denying progress.
the point of this conversation was that the extremists are being heard and the 'silent majority' doesn't seem to be showing up anywhere to counteract that voice. Most especially at the ballot box to vote out politicians who pander to this demographic by denying evolution and global warming in the face of overwhelming evidence and continually work to deny people rights (both gays and women) .
presumably you are speaking as anon coward so your fellow christians won't find out you hinted and not following the party line?
Then go vote. As a block, the christian stance seems to be against equal rights for gays and against teaching and doing science. To say that you disagree with that is fine but that is what your group is representing as a block. as the GP says, the moderates of the religion seem agree silently with these things because they are not voting these issues down and marginalizing the loonies in the wings...
Move away from the gay marriage issue as I think it clouds what the GP is saying. what about focusing on the creationist teaching and scientific demonization? Where are the moderate christians on that? As the GP said, "various referendums around the country definitely indicate that these mythical voiceless moderates dont really represent a significant percentage of christians, much less the general population."
I find it disheartening to be sabotaging our children w/ the level of education and anti-science stance that seems to be coming from the far christian right but I am not seeing (significant percentages of) moderates marginalizing the loonies.
have you ever used a computer? seriously, here is a 1000 page paper manuscript and a 1000 page text file. find the misspelling... that is basically what we are talking about.
you rail against trusting the gov't but the electronic copy is infinitely more trustable b/c you can show without a shadow of a doubt, whether the document has been modified since delivery. Paper will not _ever_ be able to show you the same thing.
I do like multi layer ( usually called defense in depth, or did the buzz word move on) but are you really talking about taking physical copies, scanning them, ocr ing them and comparing them to the electronic copies? gah, we have a well developed field of mathematics that does this very well... bertok is dead right on this one. far more accurate than ocring would be (things get messy in teh physical world).
this is coming, likely it will end up coming down as a cost cutting measure and we can accept the change b/c it is sooo much better.
RT is Russia Today. My understanding from a Russian is that it is a mouthpiece for pro-Putin factions. From what I can see, it could teach our guys a lot about doing one sided, push-your-viewpoint style journalism. Fox/MSNBC are pretty bad but that is JV and RT is varsity.
You are already trusting the initial seeder. In your example, the court asks Company A to hand over its documents. Company A is the initial seeder. Just because the docs are printed doesn't make them any less susceptible to being altered before they are handed over.
Now, once they are handed over, your argument says that it would be better to have forensic verification done on them at each stage when they are used to verify they haven't been altered? Seriously?
I agree w/ the grandparent, math is much harder to fool than a forensic analysis. Besides, there is no way you are going to do a manual forensic analysis on that many documents.
mmm... no. that is called government. Socialism is a label that has taken on a new meaning of 'something bad we don't understand' but that isn't what I am discussing here (though you could engrandize it to be).
By the people/for the people, that is the base of the deal. We are getting together to help ourselves have a better life.
the one who spent more on housing than he could afford on his salary? is this a trick question? I would think medical insurance costs would be right below food when determining how much of your budget is left over to spend on a mortgage in the _right_ part of town.
no but the government isn't some other body. it is based on a simple idea that we all need certain things that we can't or shouldn't pay for individually. (say fire department). we each pitch in and that makes everybody's life better.
if you want to live in town, we ask you not to shit all over everything and to keep your dog from biting the small children. if you can't deal w/ that move into the woods.
If you aren't moving into the woods (stop using roads, police protection, medical, etc.) realize that you are either chipping in or you are a mooch (who should be kicked out of town)
it was your portion of the upkeep of general society. ideas like this are why we don't connect taxes to what we are getting for them. plus if you are getting money back, you are giving the state an interest free loan. learn to manage your money better and you will have more of it.
there are plenty of places you could move that you don't need a car. the problem w/ (many) american cities is that they were built largely after the popularization of the auto so they are not practical to not have transportation. this urban sprawl also contributes to the lack of public transport. But even in most rural towns, there is a town center and you could find work and a home next to the grocer. It may not be up to the standard of american _deserved_ luxury but it is possible.
It really isn't that simple. I had always thought that it wouldn't be a problem, put the computer in the main room, not in the kids bedroom and there is at least passing oversight when my son is getting his allotted half hour of 'robots' (some nick jr game he likes). Even now, at 3, he can start to wander through the internet and has stumbled onto some inappropriate sites. Now, I do not beleive the gov't should step in here, but i do need a way to manage what he is seeing.
I see this 'parents should just parent' complaint a lot but any parent knows you can't be watching your kids all the time while we are running around trying to get dinner on the table and the myriad other things required to keep a house going.
Enter tablets and smart phones and communication enabled diapers. in 4-5 years, every one of these kids is giong to have a personalized internet device. This idea of a computer in the living room will be completely separate from his primary connection to the internet and I am going to need a way to manage that. My personal plan is to stick a proxy on our network and let it be clear that I have the logs so I will know if you do dumb things but that will only work until they get a little bit sophisticated. While I don't agree w/ gov't stepping in, I have yet to see a workable solution.
they have the best prices around for the FTTC (and I _love_ my infinity).. and they were the only major ISP in the UK that balked at this court order. There is plenty wrong w/ them but at least they made a (half) stand.
help candidates who will do the right thing without receiving kickbacks
no problem, just_common_sense, just find some mythical super politician and we will be all set... I think they tend the unicorn fields, lets look there...
I would add two more points. I like the point about the writers strike but I would tkae it further. once the tv execs realized that people would watch unscripted tv, they realized they didn't need to pay (as many) script writers for a popular product. The studios like it b/c it is cheaper and the public likes it b/c it is 'easier' to watch people bumble about ( and not have to think about strenuous things like 'plot'.)
I think the point about viacom changing mtv b/c it wasn't successful isn't entirely true. (I don't have the financials to prove this so let me just assert a feeling). MTV (and several of these niche channels) could probably make a bit of money, but the amount they were making wasn't expanding (quickly enough). As a public company, if you can't show growth, you die so just making money isn't enough. This drives business that are mildly successful (continually bringing in, say, expenses + 5%) to drastic changes in the name of growth. stability is just not valued. I see this as a major problem across sectors and I think the move from music to reality tv from mtv was likely done in the name of growth, rather than to avoid losses.
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apparently a vcr cost the equivalent of a small house. once again, you lack perspective
whereas most obstetricians in the western world will tell you that sex during pregnancy is considered a good thing. Releases a bunch of endorphins in the mother's blood stream that are considered good for both mother and baby.
You've never been stopped and made to produce ID for no good reason while walking down the street?
no, i haven't.
That would be an interesting poll, how many people have?
yeah, i remember hearing all that bullshit about russians having to wait in line for food, paying outlandish prices for western goods like jeans and vcr's b/c they weren't available there, being afraid to speak out b/c the police would throw them in jail and afraid their neighbors would turn them in as dissidents if they weren't seen vocally espousing their true loyalty.. I always assumed it was completely biased propaganda in a cold war US vs THEM style.
Fast forward 20 years. I married a Russian woman and learned that what was happening was generally much _worse_ than what I had been taught. Just recently read Archipelago Gulag which again confirmed this for me. What I was hearing about russia wasn't nearly as bad as Russia really was.
Now, I don;t like the direction American laws and politics are heading one bit, and I will continue to fight against the tide. But false equivalences like the parent post show nothing so much as a lack of perspective...
fashion... The entire industry has no protection and new designs are copied immediately. Innovation (such as it is) is fast and successful companies are very successful...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay_raid
I wasn't trying to equate the stance against science w/ abortion clinic bombings, though I see that may come across in the thread.
I am worried, specifically about the stance that is being taken by the far right against science. Things like the text books in Texas changing based on religious views, removing critical thinking education , and denying climatology based on religion.
This is based on 2 minutes of googling. I am sure i could come up w/ more. You yourself admit that you don't believe in evolution. This theory is excellently proven and you can see it in action. you admit it yourself for giraffes. but based on the bible, are you saying you believe in a 6000 year old universe?
You mention the earth revolving around the sun, how long was that proven before the church changed its mind on that one?
except that isn't the message coming out so you are obviously not speaking loud enough. I know several christians who i like and respect but as a block, you have let the loonies take over the conversation and the power of your group seems to be devoted to sticking your head in the ground and denying progress.
the point of this conversation was that the extremists are being heard and the 'silent majority' doesn't seem to be showing up anywhere to counteract that voice. Most especially at the ballot box to vote out politicians who pander to this demographic by denying evolution and global warming in the face of overwhelming evidence and continually work to deny people rights (both gays and women) .
presumably you are speaking as anon coward so your fellow christians won't find out you hinted and not following the party line?
Then go vote. As a block, the christian stance seems to be against equal rights for gays and against teaching and doing science. To say that you disagree with that is fine but that is what your group is representing as a block. as the GP says, the moderates of the religion seem agree silently with these things because they are not voting these issues down and marginalizing the loonies in the wings...
Move away from the gay marriage issue as I think it clouds what the GP is saying. what about focusing on the creationist teaching and scientific demonization? Where are the moderate christians on that? As the GP said, "various referendums around the country definitely indicate that these mythical voiceless moderates dont really represent a significant percentage of christians, much less the general population."
I find it disheartening to be sabotaging our children w/ the level of education and anti-science stance that seems to be coming from the far christian right but I am not seeing (significant percentages of) moderates marginalizing the loonies.
a dictatorship (under benevolent, enlightened dictator) is the best form of government.
yes, that is a big qualification.
well trolled, but I think the thrust of the article was to troll the _other_ way...
very well said, where are my mod points...
have you ever used a computer? seriously, here is a 1000 page paper manuscript and a 1000 page text file. find the misspelling... that is basically what we are talking about.
you rail against trusting the gov't but the electronic copy is infinitely more trustable b/c you can show without a shadow of a doubt, whether the document has been modified since delivery. Paper will not _ever_ be able to show you the same thing.
I do like multi layer ( usually called defense in depth, or did the buzz word move on) but are you really talking about taking physical copies, scanning them, ocr ing them and comparing them to the electronic copies? gah, we have a well developed field of mathematics that does this very well... bertok is dead right on this one. far more accurate than ocring would be (things get messy in teh physical world).
this is coming, likely it will end up coming down as a cost cutting measure and we can accept the change b/c it is sooo much better.
RT is Russia Today. My understanding from a Russian is that it is a mouthpiece for pro-Putin factions. From what I can see, it could teach our guys a lot about doing one sided, push-your-viewpoint style journalism. Fox/MSNBC are pretty bad but that is JV and RT is varsity.
You are already trusting the initial seeder. In your example, the court asks Company A to hand over its documents. Company A is the initial seeder. Just because the docs are printed doesn't make them any less susceptible to being altered before they are handed over.
Now, once they are handed over, your argument says that it would be better to have forensic verification done on them at each stage when they are used to verify they haven't been altered? Seriously?
I agree w/ the grandparent, math is much harder to fool than a forensic analysis. Besides, there is no way you are going to do a manual forensic analysis on that many documents.
mmm... no. that is called government. Socialism is a label that has taken on a new meaning of 'something bad we don't understand' but that isn't what I am discussing here (though you could engrandize it to be).
By the people/for the people, that is the base of the deal. We are getting together to help ourselves have a better life.
the one who spent more on housing than he could afford on his salary? is this a trick question? I would think medical insurance costs would be right below food when determining how much of your budget is left over to spend on a mortgage in the _right_ part of town.
no but the government isn't some other body. it is based on a simple idea that we all need certain things that we can't or shouldn't pay for individually. (say fire department). we each pitch in and that makes everybody's life better.
if you want to live in town, we ask you not to shit all over everything and to keep your dog from biting the small children. if you can't deal w/ that move into the woods.
If you aren't moving into the woods (stop using roads, police protection, medical, etc.) realize that you are either chipping in or you are a mooch (who should be kicked out of town)
it was your portion of the upkeep of general society. ideas like this are why we don't connect taxes to what we are getting for them.
plus if you are getting money back, you are giving the state an interest free loan. learn to manage your money better and you will have more of it.
there are plenty of places you could move that you don't need a car. the problem w/ (many) american cities is that they were built largely after the popularization of the auto so they are not practical to not have transportation. this urban sprawl also contributes to the lack of public transport. But even in most rural towns, there is a town center and you could find work and a home next to the grocer. It may not be up to the standard of american _deserved_ luxury but it is possible.
It really isn't that simple. I had always thought that it wouldn't be a problem, put the computer in the main room, not in the kids bedroom and there is at least passing oversight when my son is getting his allotted half hour of 'robots' (some nick jr game he likes). Even now, at 3, he can start to wander through the internet and has stumbled onto some inappropriate sites. Now, I do not beleive the gov't should step in here, but i do need a way to manage what he is seeing.
I see this 'parents should just parent' complaint a lot but any parent knows you can't be watching your kids all the time while we are running around trying to get dinner on the table and the myriad other things required to keep a house going.
Enter tablets and smart phones and communication enabled diapers. in 4-5 years, every one of these kids is giong to have a personalized internet device. This idea of a computer in the living room will be completely separate from his primary connection to the internet and I am going to need a way to manage that. My personal plan is to stick a proxy on our network and let it be clear that I have the logs so I will know if you do dumb things but that will only work until they get a little bit sophisticated. While I don't agree w/ gov't stepping in, I have yet to see a workable solution.
they have the best prices around for the FTTC (and I _love_ my infinity).. and they were the only major ISP in the UK that balked at this court order. There is plenty wrong w/ them but at least they made a (half) stand.
help candidates who will do the right thing without receiving kickbacks
no problem, just_common_sense, just find some mythical super politician and we will be all set... I think they tend the unicorn fields, lets look there...
I would add two more points.
I like the point about the writers strike but I would tkae it further. once the tv execs realized that people would watch unscripted tv, they realized they didn't need to pay (as many) script writers for a popular product. The studios like it b/c it is cheaper and the public likes it b/c it is 'easier' to watch people bumble about ( and not have to think about strenuous things like 'plot'.)
I think the point about viacom changing mtv b/c it wasn't successful isn't entirely true. (I don't have the financials to prove this so let me just assert a feeling). MTV (and several of these niche channels) could probably make a bit of money, but the amount they were making wasn't expanding (quickly enough). As a public company, if you can't show growth, you die so just making money isn't enough. This drives business that are mildly successful (continually bringing in, say, expenses + 5%) to drastic changes in the name of growth. stability is just not valued. I see this as a major problem across sectors and I think the move from music to reality tv from mtv was likely done in the name of growth, rather than to avoid losses.