I've seen a very interesting measure of freedom in an economics text that took into account a lot of the things you mentioned. I don't remember the text or the author of the equation, but it basically scored a country on a 1-100 scale, and not a lot of places scored all that well. The US was somewhere between 50-75, IIRC.
Well, I haven't been mugged this month, so I don't think my taxes should pay for police salaries. My home hasn't burned to the ground, either, so I don't think that the fire dept. should get any of my tax money. And of course, none of my money should go to social services such as unemployment/welfare/WIC etc, since I have a job, no kids, and I can afford to pay my bills. Which is the hole in that argument. On the other hand, I think that government funds shouldn't go to the extremes that severely disabled kids can take them too. If there's a serial killer in town, that doesn't mean that everyone should get their own personal police escort until the killer is caught. It's simply too impractical, and let's face it, society is willing to take the risk that "it wont be me" until the serial killer is caught, because nobody wants to pay the extra taxes. So getting stuck with the hospital bill for several hundred thousand dollars on up isn't really something you should face after a your kid turns out to have all kinds of things wrong with them, the govt. shouldn't really be stuck either. And the govt. is us. Singer gets my vote for Good Idea Of the Year. Euthanasia, free to the public, at all ages, with a 2 month(more, less, whatever) just-to-make-sure-you're-sure wait for the non-infant cases. Check into the hospital and don't bother checking out. Sort of an in-patient thing, heh.
Bill must have bought "Belgium" already. Another three countires and he can put them all together to build "Evil Empire", the large collection of nations that will crush their foes under their heel on the path to world conquest. Bummer.
Well over one hundred of them have gone here (http://www.oberlin.edu/~ocrp). It's such a good way to get re-use older computers. Even old Mac SE's and low end 286's are perfectly good for word processing and use as consoles.
The original poster forgot the line where they mention that the PETA-ites worry about the feelings of the animals to the exclusion of worrying about people. Which is the point of the argument, it just sort of got mislaid. And _that_ is a serious flaw in the behavior of said PETA-ites. Please don't argue that PETA-ites don't do this, many do, I'd even say most do. At least with important things. I mean, how many times have you heard of the ambassador of (country of the day for attrocities) got red paint thrown on them? How else could there be such a loud drone of AR protest while so much desperately needed human rights protest never happens?
I've heard we taste like chicken... Other than the cultural taboos, I personally don't see why we shouldn't. Solve overpopulation and unwanted children in one foul swoop without upsetting the right-to-life crowd. Planned parenthood could set up some deal where you can trade you kid to a farmer rather than getting an abortion, then the farmer fattens them up for market. This would work great!
So a six year old kid living in a war zone is someone I need to worry about less than two well fed pets? I don't know if I buy that. PETA has little regard for humans(as exhibited by PETA protestors making kids cry - see the washington post a few years ago) and too much concern for animals(a friend of mine worked for a circus, PETA protested at some of their shows, saying animals were mistreated, yet nothing bad ever happened to said animals). Admittedly, this is a sweeping generalization, but I think most protestors in the US today need to get a grip and worry about the important things. Homelessness, world hunger, disease, and man's inhumanity to man all pop to mind. Saving the pets that don't need saving seems a little trite.
It is so confusing and sideways, though. I had no problem with C, C++, Java, any of that, but Scheme killed me. It does teach fabulousways of looking at problems (and recursion), but there's still all of the useless syntax crap. And if you deal with C/C++ syntax crap, you can at least use it later. With Scheme, you can't really use the useless syntax crap later when you're coding for some sort of work related project...
Cream stouts were invented as a health drink. Brewed with milk sugar (lactose), also known as milk stouts. Like guiness, but with more of a malty sweetness. Thick as mud. The head is practically as dark as the beer, and you can chew on a good cream stout. Or at least, that's what a cream stout is supposed to be. Yet another reason why Sam Adams is just not the beer it's cracked up to be. If you like the guiness that gets imported to the US, you'd probably like a good cream stout. Mackeson's Triple Stout is a good one, even though it doesn't say anything about being a cream stout on the label, iirc. And to think, I got college credit learning this...
Well, most of the 603 based power pcs can't run mklinux or any of the bsd's, but this is due to the fact that they are crappy machines. The power PC performas with little to no upgrade capability, built for use by the same sort of people who use iMacs. I tried to find something for a 603 based machine, but no luck. Anything else runs some sort of *nix/BSD, though, even the old mac II machines. Which is way cool.
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IANAL, but.... Read the article cited previously by Xenu. (http://www.fryberger.com/colors.html) If J. Average Consumer were to look at the PC, would they say that it was a brand new PC, or would they say "oh, it's one of them iMacs, gosh aren't they great/awful/cute/ugly?" Seems to me like there is precedent for this sort of thing, whether or not one likes Apple. There is a similay situation with not only the hourglass - shaped coke bottles, but also the word "coke." The Coca Cola company (among others) is very protective of the work Coke. They go as far as to hire people to go to restraunts and ask for "coke," then take samples of the beverage they are served. If it is in fact Coca Cola, fine. If it is Pepsi or some generic cola, they will go as far as taking the beverage serving establishment to court. They do this because there is a long standing precedent for protected trade names being allowed to keep their protection, and undefended trade names that get accepted as the common name for any item of the same type (eg, xerox rather than any old copier, kleenex rather than generic tissue, coke rather than generic cola beverage) can no longer be protected trade names. Has anyone else seen the latest batch of TV ads for Band-Aid brand bandages? That's exactly how they refer to them in the ad for the very same reason. Apple is merely doing the same thing with the visual cues of the iMac. After all, Intel came out with a whole slew of non-beige, non-cubic cases, and Apple doesn't care. Ditto several other companies dicussed here (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/01/30/1240206_F.s html --- also --- http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/28/1817216.shtm l --- also --- http://slashdot.org/articles/99/03/16/106241.shtml ). This is something that happens all the time, this is not Apple being lunatics or monopolists. It would be really nice if it didn't happen, but it's one of those quirks of US law and corporate america. It'd also be nice if people tried using an OS or a hardware setup before either raving about how great/terrible it is. I work with Macs, PC (NT,9x, and a variety of linuxes) every day. All of them have strong points, and all of them have weak points. Being a little more objective never hurt anyone.
That's the best possible explanation I've heard or thought of yet. It makes sense from Harvard's point of view, and it fits with the information we've got better than what Messrs. Williams and Vranesevich said. Thank you, I appreciate your post.
1968 Dodge Charger in cherry red. 1932 LaSalle, in black, of course. 1999 Dodge Viper GTS, blue with the twin white stripes. Chrysler 300, any year, and color, any model. Then go look at a boring old Camry, Avalon, or one of those. That's all there is to it....
A gentleman from Harvard Net Ops was kind enough to reply to a email I had sent him earlier in the day, and he included a Harvard press release. They are in fact going to return the full contents of the site to Ken Williams, although the site is no longer welcome on the Harvard network. The decision was in fact based on the fact that there were "sexually-related material and personal attacks on an individual not affiliated with the University". Which does change the situation, IMHO. I do home that a new home can be found for PacketStorm, but Harvard's decision is much more understandable now.
No there isn't. All I can do is ask you to reconsider. After all, do you plan on being rasict for the rest of your life? Sexist? Will you hate tall people because they are tall? I am just asking you to think about why you feel that it is ookay to hate homosexuals because of who they are.
Being biggoted is no better than what Mr Vranesevich has allegedly done. It is offensive and ignorant to be homophobic. Please consider this in the future, and think about what it would be like for someone to discriminate against you because of who you are.
True, Ethernet doesn't scale huge very well, but I would hardly call Token Ring an improvement over Ethernet. Also, a lot of the performance of any networking standard is going to be determined by the configuration of the network. Token Ring certainly has it's problems, too.
Bolo rocked! I will always have a mac, if for no other reason than Bolo is still one of the coolest network games I've ever played. And you have to love a game that is that good, yet takes hardly any space or memory.
>if capitalism hadn't already failed then the US wouldn't still need the Sherman Anti-Trust Act >today. if capitalism hadn't failed then we wouldn't need labor protection laws (the workplace >is too often still unsafe).
Okay, please, take a lesson from an economist. Market failure != failure of capitalism. Market failure can be brought about by all sorts of things, and, in general, the market has not failed in the US to protect labor or encourage competition. There are cases where the market has failed, ie software and the textile industry (one for competition, the other for labor). Market failure is when market forces fail to keep something balanced - a serious work shortage where wages somehow don't increase, that sort of thing. For capitalism to fail, you'd have to be talking about the economic system becoming completely and totally non-functional, with a dead halt to international trade, paper currency, everything but bartering, and a lack of set prices for goods. But look at grocery stores. Ain't no way that the market failed when my co-workers were making $14 an hour checking groceries, with double time overtime and sundays. You can thank labor market forces for that, thanks. Wages are tied to geography, unemployment, skills, etc, just like the market dictates. As for competition, how many grocery stores, or convenience stores, or shoe stores can you name off the top of your head. How about car manufacturers? And any industry with sufficiently low entry costs, such as software, or convenience stores, or beer brewing, you see a new company every week. Car companies don't spring up overnight due to the high cost of entry into the market (getting a design ready, then getting a plant online to build the design, then getting it okayed with governmental safety standards, and so forth. But they don't fold overnight, either. In fact, the auto industry is rather competetive. I can think of a dozen or so major manufacturers off the top of my head. That's no monopoly for any of them. Don't spout about the failure of capitalism, b/c it hasn't failed. I wont argue any of the other stuff with you, but I would like to point out that if you go to Vietnam, or if you go to Nigeria, or pick any of several other countries, you aren't going to find the same technology. If technology is the same everywhere, explain the African AIDS crisis.
No, it's different. US foreign policy makers take the approach that since we are a relatively appealing trade partner, and they can control, to an extent, who US industry trades with, they can leverage that. It's not "Hey Sweden, don't export to Cuba or we'll get medival on your ass," it's "Hey Sweden, you know, we're sure you'd love to export those thinga-ma-jigs to Cuba, but you have to pick - you can be our friend or their friend, but not both." Which is very different. I can't say I agree with the application of such a threat in any or all cases in which it has been used by the US govt, but it is a perfectly legitimate way of carrying out foreign policy, as opposed to simply saying "No, you can't export to them." If you disagree, I'd love to debate this via email.
My point is more that the iMac is going to be slower at anything than a well equiped 604e chipped machine. The 604e machines (like the 9500mp, 9600, etc) can be seriously built up - a gig and a half of ram in a desktop machine that is three years old? The iMac can't even approach that sort of hardware, and in fact, has lower end components new than most of the high end 604e machines - which makes it slower at everything.
For an academic lab environment, look into the combination of SDI engine (to make RevRdist run at shutdown rather than startup) and RevRdist, a prog. which compares everything on the HD vs. an image on a server - anything that has changed since bootup gets replaced. The only thing left then is locking down the startup and shutdown item folders. Even if revRdist gets disabled, all you need to do to rebuild the computer and give it a whole spanking clean OS and set of apps is boot from a floppy, throw out everything, and manually run revRdist. Very pleasing and easy from a help desk point of view. Worth looking into if you have to manage a herd of networked macs....
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I've seen a very interesting measure of freedom in an economics text that took into account a lot of the things you mentioned. I don't remember the text or the author of the equation, but it basically scored a country on a 1-100 scale, and not a lot of places scored all that well. The US was somewhere between 50-75, IIRC.
itachi
Well, I haven't been mugged this month, so I don't think my taxes should pay for police salaries. My home hasn't burned to the ground, either, so I don't think that the fire dept. should get any of my tax money. And of course, none of my money should go to social services such as unemployment/welfare/WIC etc, since I have a job, no kids, and I can afford to pay my bills. Which is the hole in that argument.
On the other hand, I think that government funds shouldn't go to the extremes that severely disabled kids can take them too. If there's a serial killer in town, that doesn't mean that everyone should get their own personal police escort until the killer is caught. It's simply too impractical, and let's face it, society is willing to take the risk that "it wont be me" until the serial killer is caught, because nobody wants to pay the extra taxes. So getting stuck with the hospital bill for several hundred thousand dollars on up isn't really something you should face after a your kid turns out to have all kinds of things wrong with them, the govt. shouldn't really be stuck either. And the govt. is us. Singer gets my vote for Good Idea Of the Year. Euthanasia, free to the public, at all ages, with a 2 month(more, less, whatever) just-to-make-sure-you're-sure wait for the non-infant cases. Check into the hospital and don't bother checking out. Sort of an in-patient thing, heh.
itachi
Bill must have bought "Belgium" already. Another three countires and he can put them all together to build "Evil Empire", the large collection of nations that will crush their foes under their heel on the path to world conquest. Bummer.
Well over one hundred of them have gone here (http://www.oberlin.edu/~ocrp). It's such a good way to get re-use older computers. Even old Mac SE's and low end 286's are perfectly good for word processing and use as consoles.
itachi
The original poster forgot the line where they mention that the PETA-ites worry about the feelings of the animals to the exclusion of worrying about people. Which is the point of the argument, it just sort of got mislaid. And _that_ is a serious flaw in the behavior of said PETA-ites. Please don't argue that PETA-ites don't do this, many do, I'd even say most do. At least with important things. I mean, how many times have you heard of the ambassador of (country of the day for attrocities) got red paint thrown on them? How else could there be such a loud drone of AR protest while so much desperately needed human rights protest never happens?
itachi
I've heard we taste like chicken... Other than the cultural taboos, I personally don't see why we shouldn't. Solve overpopulation and unwanted children in one foul swoop without upsetting the right-to-life crowd. Planned parenthood could set up some deal where you can trade you kid to a farmer rather than getting an abortion, then the farmer fattens them up for market. This would work great!
itachi
So a six year old kid living in a war zone is someone I need to worry about less than two well fed pets? I don't know if I buy that. PETA has little regard for humans(as exhibited by PETA protestors making kids cry - see the washington post a few years ago) and too much concern for animals(a friend of mine worked for a circus, PETA protested at some of their shows, saying animals were mistreated, yet nothing bad ever happened to said animals). Admittedly, this is a sweeping generalization, but I think most protestors in the US today need to get a grip and worry about the important things. Homelessness, world hunger, disease, and man's inhumanity to man all pop to mind. Saving the pets that don't need saving seems a little trite.
itachi
It is so confusing and sideways, though. I had no problem with C, C++, Java, any of that, but Scheme killed me. It does teach fabulousways of looking at problems (and recursion), but there's still all of the useless syntax crap. And if you deal with C/C++ syntax crap, you can at least use it later. With Scheme, you can't really use the useless syntax crap later when you're coding for some sort of work related project...
itachi
Cream stouts were invented as a health drink. Brewed with milk sugar (lactose), also known as milk stouts. Like guiness, but with more of a malty sweetness. Thick as mud. The head is practically as dark as the beer, and you can chew on a good cream stout. Or at least, that's what a cream stout is supposed to be. Yet another reason why Sam Adams is just not the beer it's cracked up to be. If you like the guiness that gets imported to the US, you'd probably like a good cream stout. Mackeson's Triple Stout is a good one, even though it doesn't say anything about being a cream stout on the label, iirc. And to think, I got college credit learning this...
Itachi
Well, most of the 603 based power pcs can't run mklinux or any of the bsd's, but this is due to the fact that they are crappy machines. The power PC performas with little to no upgrade capability, built for use by the same sort of people who use iMacs. I tried to find something for a 603 based machine, but no luck. Anything else runs some sort of *nix/BSD, though, even the old mac II machines. Which is way cool.
that would be
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United Food and Commercial Workers already got that. How about Fraternal Order of Geeks? Or why not just join the Teamsters en masse?
itachi
UFCW member and proud....
but where did you find an alpha and mobo for that little? Spread the wealth, please!
itachi
IANAL, but....s html --- also --- http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/28/1817216.shtm l --- also --- http://slashdot.org/articles/99/03/16/106241.shtml ). This is something that happens all the time, this is not Apple being lunatics or monopolists. It would be really nice if it didn't happen, but it's one of those quirks of US law and corporate america. It'd also be nice if people tried using an OS or a hardware setup before either raving about how great/terrible it is. I work with Macs, PC (NT,9x, and a variety of linuxes) every day. All of them have strong points, and all of them have weak points. Being a little more objective never hurt anyone.
Read the article cited previously by Xenu. (http://www.fryberger.com/colors.html) If J. Average Consumer were to look at the PC, would they say that it was a brand new PC, or would they say "oh, it's one of them iMacs, gosh aren't they great/awful/cute/ugly?" Seems to me like there is precedent for this sort of thing, whether or not one likes Apple. There is a similay situation with not only the hourglass - shaped coke bottles, but also the word "coke." The Coca Cola company (among others) is very protective of the work Coke. They go as far as to hire people to go to restraunts and ask for "coke," then take samples of the beverage they are served. If it is in fact Coca Cola, fine. If it is Pepsi or some generic cola, they will go as far as taking the beverage serving establishment to court. They do this because there is a long standing precedent for protected trade names being allowed to keep their protection, and undefended trade names that get accepted as the common name for any item of the same type (eg, xerox rather than any old copier, kleenex rather than generic tissue, coke rather than generic cola beverage) can no longer be protected trade names. Has anyone else seen the latest batch of TV ads for Band-Aid brand bandages? That's exactly how they refer to them in the ad for the very same reason. Apple is merely doing the same thing with the visual cues of the iMac. After all, Intel came out with a whole slew of non-beige, non-cubic cases, and Apple doesn't care. Ditto several other companies dicussed here (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/01/30/1240206_F.
itachi
That's the best possible explanation I've heard or thought of yet. It makes sense from Harvard's point of view, and it fits with the information we've got better than what Messrs. Williams and Vranesevich said. Thank you, I appreciate your post.
itachi
1968 Dodge Charger in cherry red. 1932 LaSalle, in black, of course. 1999 Dodge Viper GTS, blue with the twin white stripes. Chrysler 300, any year, and color, any model. Then go look at a boring old Camry, Avalon, or one of those. That's all there is to it....
itachi
A gentleman from Harvard Net Ops was kind enough to reply to a email I had sent him earlier in the day, and he included a Harvard press release. They are in fact going to return the full contents of the site to Ken Williams, although the site is no longer welcome on the Harvard network. The decision was in fact based on the fact that there were "sexually-related material and personal attacks on an individual not affiliated with the University". Which does change the situation, IMHO. I do home that a new home can be found for PacketStorm, but Harvard's decision is much more understandable now.
itachi
No there isn't. All I can do is ask you to reconsider. After all, do you plan on being rasict for the rest of your life? Sexist? Will you hate tall people because they are tall? I am just asking you to think about why you feel that it is ookay to hate homosexuals because of who they are.
itachi
Being biggoted is no better than what Mr Vranesevich has allegedly done. It is offensive and ignorant to be homophobic. Please consider this in the future, and think about what it would be like for someone to discriminate against you because of who you are.
itachi
True, Ethernet doesn't scale huge very well, but I would hardly call Token Ring an improvement over Ethernet. Also, a lot of the performance of any networking standard is going to be determined by the configuration of the network. Token Ring certainly has it's problems, too.
Bolo rocked! I will always have a mac, if for no other reason than Bolo is still one of the coolest network games I've ever played. And you have to love a game that is that good, yet takes hardly any space or memory.
itachi
>if capitalism hadn't already failed then the US wouldn't still need the Sherman Anti-Trust Act
>today. if capitalism hadn't failed then we wouldn't need labor protection laws (the workplace
>is too often still unsafe).
Okay, please, take a lesson from an economist. Market failure != failure of capitalism. Market failure can be brought about by all sorts of things, and, in general, the market has not failed in the US to protect labor or encourage competition. There are cases where the market has failed, ie software and the textile industry (one for competition, the other for labor). Market failure is when market forces fail to keep something balanced - a serious work shortage where wages somehow don't increase, that sort of thing. For capitalism to fail, you'd have to be talking about the economic system becoming completely and totally non-functional, with a dead halt to international trade, paper currency, everything but bartering, and a lack of set prices for goods. But look at grocery stores. Ain't no way that the market failed when my co-workers were making $14 an hour checking groceries, with double time overtime and sundays. You can thank labor market forces for that, thanks. Wages are tied to geography, unemployment, skills, etc, just like the market dictates. As for competition, how many grocery stores, or convenience stores, or shoe stores can you name off the top of your head. How about car manufacturers? And any industry with sufficiently low entry costs, such as software, or convenience stores, or beer brewing, you see a new company every week. Car companies don't spring up overnight due to the high cost of entry into the market (getting a design ready, then getting a plant online to build the design, then getting it okayed with governmental safety standards, and so forth. But they don't fold overnight, either. In fact, the auto industry is rather competetive. I can think of a dozen or so major manufacturers off the top of my head. That's no monopoly for any of them. Don't spout about the failure of capitalism, b/c it hasn't failed. I wont argue any of the other stuff with you, but I would like to point out that if you go to Vietnam, or if you go to Nigeria, or pick any of several other countries, you aren't going to find the same technology. If technology is the same everywhere, explain the African AIDS crisis.
itachi
No, it's different. US foreign policy makers take the approach that since we are a relatively appealing trade partner, and they can control, to an extent, who US industry trades with, they can leverage that. It's not "Hey Sweden, don't export to Cuba or we'll get medival on your ass," it's "Hey Sweden, you know, we're sure you'd love to export those thinga-ma-jigs to Cuba, but you have to pick - you can be our friend or their friend, but not both." Which is very different. I can't say I agree with the application of such a threat in any or all cases in which it has been used by the US govt, but it is a perfectly legitimate way of carrying out foreign policy, as opposed to simply saying "No, you can't export to them." If you disagree, I'd love to debate this via email.
itachi
My point is more that the iMac is going to be slower at anything than a well equiped 604e chipped machine. The 604e machines (like the 9500mp, 9600, etc) can be seriously built up - a gig and a half of ram in a desktop machine that is three years old? The iMac can't even approach that sort of hardware, and in fact, has lower end components new than most of the high end 604e machines - which makes it slower at everything.
For an academic lab environment, look into the combination of SDI engine (to make RevRdist run at shutdown rather than startup) and RevRdist, a prog. which compares everything on the HD vs. an image on a server - anything that has changed since bootup gets replaced. The only thing left then is locking down the startup and shutdown item folders. Even if revRdist gets disabled, all you need to do to rebuild the computer and give it a whole spanking clean OS and set of apps is boot from a floppy, throw out everything, and manually run revRdist. Very pleasing and easy from a help desk point of view. Worth looking into if you have to manage a herd of networked macs....
itachi