I'm from Newfoundland, so there was a focus on Marconi in my school.
Marconi is so often credited because he went farther with it. He crossed the Atlantic ocean. He started a successful company.
It didn't matter that Tesla experimented and Popov deployed remote lightning detectors before any of this because Marconi started a company. It's not who does the initial work, it's who profits from it, at least to the general populace.
Hey, we should call Bill Gates the father of computing. He has lots of money.:-)*
Actually, in a similar vein, the real father of modern radio is often forgotten as well. Until Reginald Fessenden, radio was only dits and dahs. This Canadian guy was the first to transmit normal sound.
Fessenden wanted to work for Thomas Edison, who basically told him to screw off. A full bio can be read here.
I seriously doubt SuSE would purposefully pull something like this for nefarious purposes. Sun, on the other hand...
If I had to guess, it was probably something from Sun. Remember, this is not the GPLed OpenOffice, it's the Sun licensed StarOffice.
Also remember that it will be available for all after May 31, maybe Sun aren't allowing them to do it before.
I'm guessing we'll either have a clarification ("Sun's fault...") or a retraction ("oops, some new guy in legal/marketing screwed up...") within a couple of days.
It's too early to yell battle cries just yet, SuSE has done a lot for open source projects and pay a lot of people to work on them.
It's all about the best tool for the job, and LSB is making sure that no one will use the best tools available. Do they want a nice logo? Or do they want a perfectly cheesy attempt at one?
That's pretty trollish, man.
Do you think that Tux is a "perfectly cheesy attempt" at a logo? It's been pretty damn successful thus far. There are few magazine racks where I don't see Tux splattered everywhere. You simply don't see Microsoft or Windows logos spread out like that.
Well, Tux was entirely generated in the GIMP, so I guess it's not "nice" in your definition...
SIP has very little to do, specifically, with wireless.
It has to do transmitting content (voice, mostly) over networks. Parts of the network may be wireless, but that's not the focus.
I do remember using a 3Com SIP phone, having to plug it in and let it grab an address before I could use it.
The only wireless part was the IR port for connecting to a Palm. You can dial out with it or register your identity with the phone so that calls to you would be routed to that phone.
It's pretty cool, actually.
For a Linux implementation, check out Dissipate for KDE.
They show the current rules there and explain how they are trying to get complete coverage of these rules. There's also a link to the document, but this press release sums it up quitenicely.
I found it interesting that they prefer HTML for electronic comments...
The topic is about component players, not computer drives. The player in question does not have "dual-pickup" or whatever they're calling it in your local electronic superstore. The result is that you cannot use CD-R discs in it. This is extremely common.
You're talking about a drive for a computer. That's a different story. I have a Toshiba laptop with a DVD drive. If it *didn't* support CD-R, a lot of people would be super pissed. How do I restore from a backup? How do I use the CDs that come with various hardware?
What are you talking about? You mention facts and come up with a baseless number. It's definitely much more than 100.
How about some short lists of companies and projects, hmm?
SuSE: Check out the people directory on the FTP sites, you'll find 52 developers right there. Many work on the kernel, too. That list doesn't even include people on specific projects that don't really work for SuSE, but they pay them anyway.
Red Hat: They hired tons of people to work on specific projects. Actually, most distributions do the same thing, so I'll stop listing distributions here and concentrate on specific projects and non-distribution companies.
Trolltech: Some stubborn people still believe they're evil, which astounds me
IBM: How could I leave these guys out. The amount of OSS coming from IBM is simply massive
TheKompany.com: A lot of good KDE stuff coming from these guys
VA Linux: They pay a lot of people for many projects
Here's a list of projects where people are getting paid (not everyone, but in most cases the largest contributors):
MySQL
Zope
PHP
KDE
GNOME
OpenOffice
Mozilla
Linux Kernel
XFree86
Enlightenment
ReiserFS
Actually, I'm getting bored, so I'll end there and note that I probably didn't even get a hundredth of the companies and projects...
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X11 is a networked windowing system. Your client and your server might be on different machines. GLX packages up OpenGL commands into network packets, spits them across the X11 network pipe, then unpacks them at the other end. This lets you run accelerated 3D remotely: the client could be a simulation on a mainframe, the display could be your desktop machine in your office. GLX does a number of other X11 related things that couldn't be packaged into OpenGL.
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Until LILO has a framebuffer (my guess: never), you cannot use this in a boot loader.
Corel made a graphical LILO replacement, which simply used video memory to draw the graphics. There is no room in the bootsector to load GTK, Qt, or GGI.
Wow, I'm surprised. Even for Slashdot, there is a lot of misleading and incorrect information here...
GGI, SDL, and Qt have been doing this for quite a while. Actually, when the framebuffer was added to the kernel (a long time ago) documents popped up about how to treat it like DOS int 13.
SuSE and Caldera's installers use Qt under the framebuffer.
Personally, I think SDL is a better fit than GTK for games. I downloaded the CivCTP 1.2 patch and the release notes mentioned that you can run it from the console now without X. It's experimental, though.
The *only* change that should happen in the current *nix boot sequences is to ad Majel Barrret's voice announcing key checkpoints , such as "going multiuser" and daemon initialization . . .:)
Ever see a Netwinder? When it's fully booted you'll hear "Welcome to Netwinder." Once it's shut down you'll hear a "bloop."
It's actually quite useful when there's no monitor. You'll know when you can log in or remove the power. After seeing this, we implemented startup and shutdown sounds on the servers we sell. They're actually spacey sounds because we couldn't get the PC speaker driver working in the kernel.:-(*
Yep, that was in response to VisiOn. A Mac-like on the PC... Everyone slobbered all over it. It was running, but still under heavy development. Nobody was at the MS booth, where everything was text mode.
Bill had some programmers mock something up very quickly for display. "Look at us, we have it, too. We're a bigger company. You'd do well to bet on us... Sign here..."
When VisiOn was released, it was a complete flop, because everyone had signed their lived over to MS, and it was due "real soon now." It's worth it to wait, right?
Windows 1.0 was released 2 years later, and VisiOn was dead. The whole story disgusted me. (PC Computing, BTW, I don't remember the date)
Unfortunately, this is one story ignored by all the A&E type documentaries out there. Note that it was completely left out of "Pirates of Silicon Valley."
Isn't there a second half in which the whole game ends with the hero climbing up a snake coming out of a basket to the tune of a flute?
I don't remember that...
IIRC, when you have all four (I think it's 4) treasures he starts jumping around and the music changes. You can't move him after that and a reset is required.
Then again, if you're right, I didn;'t finish the game... and I no longer have that old 2600.
Ah, Pitfall 2... My memory is a little fuzzy, but I vaguely remember.
The rat is the first treasure you see and the last one you get. You have to go find the other treasures and you will eventually find the passageway to get him from behind. You will have gone in a complete circle. Placing him at the beginning was such an evil tease.
Of course, there is option 2: cheating. Use an older 2600 (with the toggle-ish switches), place the cartridge in, and power cycle by slowly pushing the power switch on and off until the screen looks messed up. When you've acheived that state, you won't be able to see much on the screen, except the important stuff. Move Harry to the right and he will fall through the floor behind the rat. grab him and move to the next screen. Everything should now be fine, no screen garbage or other errors.
What's really funny is how I found it, moving the power switch back and forth in frustration.
It focuses on web programming, so you won't find C or anything, but you'll find tons of stuff for my new favourite languages, PHP and Python.
Besides, posting this will nullify my accidental moderation up of a seemingly innocuous link that displayed the disgusting picture favoured by the trolls around here. I even hovered over the link to check first. I can't believe someone registered "techiescripts.com" for that purpose...
Are you sure that ReiserFS did it and not a buggy laptop BIOS? That sort of thing is pretty common due to crappy APM implementations.
Myself, and the rest of my department have run stock ReiserFS (SuSE 6.4, 7.0) on our various Toshiba laptops without a hitch. I actually suspended mine a few times today.
When I first installed it, I went around hitting the reset button all the time, completely amazed at the stability.
I've been burned many times by ext2, and I probably won't ever be going back to it. It was great when I had no other choice (unless I wanted to use UMSDOS, shudder) and it was fast, too, but it doesn't quite satisfy me with larger hard drives and more data.
You should not be running ReiserFS in a production environment - it just isn't 100% stable enough to be trusted, and can lead to data-loss in some circumstances.
I use it exclusively. VA has had no trouble with using it on Sourceforge. I have never lost any data.
Actually, I've lost a *lot* of data with ext2. I've lost a lot of time, too. I had to fly to Boston one time because of ext2. Someone just turned off a system and the drive got corrupted.
Just because it isn't in the kernel does not mean that it's not stable. Just because something is *in* the kernel does not mean that it *is* stable.
You could use one of those tapes people use to plug portable CD players into tape decks.
I'm suddenly reminded of the time I wanted to store a huge load of stuff on a CDR and use a portable CD player as a CD-ROM for my old TRS-80 CoCo 3.
Then I realised I would have probably had to wire up the pause button into a "rem" jack. I'd probably need some logic, too. (send a pulse whenever the state changed)
Come to think of it, I still have my old official Tandy tape "drive" in front of me on my desk at work. Some time after it died, I built a 12V power supply into it. I now have a 12V Nokia phone charger hooked up to it. It charges from nothing in 5 minutes flat, much faster than the wall-wart ones they give you with the phones. People charge their phones at my desk all the time. I'll often come in in the morning and a phone will be there.
> host sig11.net sig11.net mail is handled (pri=50) by mail.netsign.net
It's called a mail exchanger. Who said using a fake address made you a troll anyway? That address was the contents of the fake email field of the database. It is obviously encouraged.
The only disadvantage is that it requires setup on both sides.
I've had a lot of success simply using a browser with Java (by default you can connect to a machine at port 5800 + X server number). No need to install anything on a client. I used to run AfterStep with a background and Netscape fairly quickly. By default it's quicker than the regular client.
Of course, nowadays, I run single apps in over ssh with the -X (forward X, handles xhost and DISPLAY) and -C (compression) options. It seems to work well, though there is an initial delay.
They set it up such that an explosion would sound every time someone downloaded a copy of Netscape when they released 0.9 (I think that was the version). It's described somewhere on JWZ's page.
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I'm from Newfoundland, so there was a focus on Marconi in my school.
:-)*
Marconi is so often credited because he went farther with it. He crossed the Atlantic ocean. He started a successful company.
It didn't matter that Tesla experimented and Popov deployed remote lightning detectors before any of this because Marconi started a company. It's not who does the initial work, it's who profits from it, at least to the general populace.
Hey, we should call Bill Gates the father of computing. He has lots of money.
Actually, in a similar vein, the real father of modern radio is often forgotten as well. Until Reginald Fessenden, radio was only dits and dahs. This Canadian guy was the first to transmit normal sound.
Fessenden wanted to work for Thomas Edison, who basically told him to screw off. A full bio can be read here.
I seriously doubt SuSE would purposefully pull something like this for nefarious purposes. Sun, on the other hand...
If I had to guess, it was probably something from Sun. Remember, this is not the GPLed OpenOffice, it's the Sun licensed StarOffice.
Also remember that it will be available for all after May 31, maybe Sun aren't allowing them to do it before.
I'm guessing we'll either have a clarification ("Sun's fault...") or a retraction ("oops, some new guy in legal/marketing screwed up...") within a couple of days.
It's too early to yell battle cries just yet, SuSE has done a lot for open source projects and pay a lot of people to work on them.
Yep, there's CorelDraw for Linux.
I have it and it runs pretty damn well, except for the fact that it refuses to install under SuSE 7.0 for some strange reason...
That's pretty trollish, man.
Do you think that Tux is a "perfectly cheesy attempt" at a logo? It's been pretty damn successful thus far. There are few magazine racks where I don't see Tux splattered everywhere. You simply don't see Microsoft or Windows logos spread out like that.
Well, Tux was entirely generated in the GIMP, so I guess it's not "nice" in your definition...
SIP has very little to do, specifically, with wireless.
It has to do transmitting content (voice, mostly) over networks. Parts of the network may be wireless, but that's not the focus.
I do remember using a 3Com SIP phone, having to plug it in and let it grab an address before I could use it.
The only wireless part was the IR port for connecting to a Palm. You can dial out with it or register your identity with the phone so that calls to you would be routed to that phone.
It's pretty cool, actually.
For a Linux implementation, check out Dissipate for KDE.
Seen on the inside of the packaging for cookie dough (in fine print):
"seineew era sreenigne nuS"
*or*
They should rename the "bake-offs" to BHDs (Butt-Head Doughboys).
Check this out.
They show the current rules there and explain how they are trying to get complete coverage of these rules. There's also a link to the document, but this press release sums it up quitenicely.
I found it interesting that they prefer HTML for electronic comments...
2 different worlds here.
The topic is about component players, not computer drives. The player in question does not have "dual-pickup" or whatever they're calling it in your local electronic superstore. The result is that you cannot use CD-R discs in it. This is extremely common.
You're talking about a drive for a computer. That's a different story. I have a Toshiba laptop with a DVD drive. If it *didn't* support CD-R, a lot of people would be super pissed. How do I restore from a backup? How do I use the CDs that come with various hardware?
A very good history of laser beams can be found at http://students.washington.edu/jboyd/laser.htm.
I believe you will find it informative and of relevance to this story.
How about some short lists of companies and projects, hmm?
Here's a list of projects where people are getting paid (not everyone, but in most cases the largest contributors):
Actually, I'm getting bored, so I'll end there and note that I probably didn't even get a hundredth of the companies and projects...
Yep. That's what GLX is for.
From http://dri.sourceforge.net/glossary.html:
Until LILO has a framebuffer (my guess: never), you cannot use this in a boot loader.
Corel made a graphical LILO replacement, which simply used video memory to draw the graphics. There is no room in the bootsector to load GTK, Qt, or GGI.
Wow, I'm surprised. Even for Slashdot, there is a lot of misleading and incorrect information here...
GGI, SDL, and Qt have been doing this for quite a while. Actually, when the framebuffer was added to the kernel (a long time ago) documents popped up about how to treat it like DOS int 13.
SuSE and Caldera's installers use Qt under the framebuffer.
Personally, I think SDL is a better fit than GTK for games. I downloaded the CivCTP 1.2 patch and the release notes mentioned that you can run it from the console now without X. It's experimental, though.
Ever see a Netwinder? When it's fully booted you'll hear "Welcome to Netwinder." Once it's shut down you'll hear a "bloop."
It's actually quite useful when there's no monitor. You'll know when you can log in or remove the power. After seeing this, we implemented startup and shutdown sounds on the servers we sell. They're actually spacey sounds because we couldn't get the PC speaker driver working in the kernel.
Sure is: http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html.
I haven't tried it yet, but people on the Livid User list are using it. I just downloaded it and will try it out.
Yep, that was in response to VisiOn. A Mac-like on the PC... Everyone slobbered all over it. It was running, but still under heavy development. Nobody was at the MS booth, where everything was text mode.
Bill had some programmers mock something up very quickly for display. "Look at us, we have it, too. We're a bigger company. You'd do well to bet on us... Sign here..."
When VisiOn was released, it was a complete flop, because everyone had signed their lived over to MS, and it was due "real soon now." It's worth it to wait, right?
Windows 1.0 was released 2 years later, and VisiOn was dead. The whole story disgusted me. (PC Computing, BTW, I don't remember the date)
Unfortunately, this is one story ignored by all the A&E type documentaries out there. Note that it was completely left out of "Pirates of Silicon Valley."
I don't remember that...
IIRC, when you have all four (I think it's 4) treasures he starts jumping around and the music changes. You can't move him after that and a reset is required.
Then again, if you're right, I didn;'t finish the game... and I no longer have that old 2600.
Ooohhhh.
Ah, Pitfall 2... My memory is a little fuzzy, but I vaguely remember.
The rat is the first treasure you see and the last one you get. You have to go find the other treasures and you will eventually find the passageway to get him from behind. You will have gone in a complete circle. Placing him at the beginning was such an evil tease.
Of course, there is option 2: cheating. Use an older 2600 (with the toggle-ish switches), place the cartridge in, and power cycle by slowly pushing the power switch on and off until the screen looks messed up. When you've acheived that state, you won't be able to see much on the screen, except the important stuff. Move Harry to the right and he will fall through the floor behind the rat. grab him and move to the next screen. Everything should now be fine, no screen garbage or other errors.
What's really funny is how I found it, moving the power switch back and forth in frustration.
A site I like is www.devshed.com.
It focuses on web programming, so you won't find C or anything, but you'll find tons of stuff for my new favourite languages, PHP and Python.
Besides, posting this will nullify my accidental moderation up of a seemingly innocuous link that displayed the disgusting picture favoured by the trolls around here. I even hovered over the link to check first. I can't believe someone registered "techiescripts.com" for that purpose...
Are you sure that ReiserFS did it and not a buggy laptop BIOS? That sort of thing is pretty common due to crappy APM implementations.
Myself, and the rest of my department have run stock ReiserFS (SuSE 6.4, 7.0) on our various Toshiba laptops without a hitch. I actually suspended mine a few times today.
When I first installed it, I went around hitting the reset button all the time, completely amazed at the stability.
I've been burned many times by ext2, and I probably won't ever be going back to it. It was great when I had no other choice (unless I wanted to use UMSDOS, shudder) and it was fast, too, but it doesn't quite satisfy me with larger hard drives and more data.
I use it exclusively. VA has had no trouble with using it on Sourceforge. I have never lost any data.
Actually, I've lost a *lot* of data with ext2. I've lost a lot of time, too. I had to fly to Boston one time because of ext2. Someone just turned off a system and the drive got corrupted.
Just because it isn't in the kernel does not mean that it's not stable. Just because something is *in* the kernel does not mean that it *is* stable.
You could use one of those tapes people use to plug portable CD players into tape decks.
I'm suddenly reminded of the time I wanted to store a huge load of stuff on a CDR and use a portable CD player as a CD-ROM for my old TRS-80 CoCo 3.
Then I realised I would have probably had to wire up the pause button into a "rem" jack. I'd probably need some logic, too. (send a pulse whenever the state changed)
Come to think of it, I still have my old official Tandy tape "drive" in front of me on my desk at work. Some time after it died, I built a 12V power supply into it. I now have a 12V Nokia phone charger hooked up to it. It charges from nothing in 5 minutes flat, much faster than the wall-wart ones they give you with the phones. People charge their phones at my desk all the time. I'll often come in in the morning and a phone will be there.
Ok, I'll stop my sorta-OT drivel.
> host sig11.net
sig11.net mail is handled (pri=50) by mail.netsign.net
It's called a mail exchanger. Who said using a fake address made you a troll anyway? That address was the contents of the fake email field of the database. It is obviously encouraged.
I've had a lot of success simply using a browser with Java (by default you can connect to a machine at port 5800 + X server number). No need to install anything on a client. I used to run AfterStep with a background and Netscape fairly quickly. By default it's quicker than the regular client.
Of course, nowadays, I run single apps in over ssh with the -X (forward X, handles xhost and DISPLAY) and -C (compression) options. It seems to work well, though there is an initial delay.
They set it up such that an explosion would sound every time someone downloaded a copy of Netscape when they released 0.9 (I think that was the version). It's described somewhere on JWZ's page.