Try it yourself - hack up some script to randomly generate IPs and then ping sweep the network blocks. You'll probably be quite surprised at the result.
The claim that non-responsive IPs mean they're not being used is absolutely silly. I'm not going to argue with you if blocking incoming untrusted ICMP is a "mistake," but it is certainly very common. Which is, well, my point. What was yours?
just because nothing responds, doesn't mean nothing is there.
iptables -P INPUT DROP iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
Tada. "reject" is one thing, because it actually responds. "drop" though - just drops the packet...almost like nothing is even there. And yet, I can go out and do things, and stuff can get back to me on established sockets.
In some parts of the U.S., football is the dominant religion.
And in other parts, it's WoW.
I'm not convinced that weekly events where communities gather, and put their support/hopes/whatever behind a certain team/task/whatever, and have the tenacity to do it every week, year after year, regardless of success, is a bad thing...regardless what that event is.
Are there other things I think it would be better for communities to rally behind? Sure, but maybe the frivolity of a high school football game is exactly why it is (or rather, was) so successful. These communities, the small places on the maps that used to make microwaves that lasted more than a year (you know, back before absolutely everything in absolutely every store was made in China), had to have something to keep them together. They had to be a cohesive social entity. If one person lost their farm, the others had to help, because that was just how that system worked...back before factory farming, back before everything was made with the cheapest parts possible.
Ridicule them all you want, but very soon will come the time we will all wish we had cherished the small-towns, and what they did for us.
(no, I'm not specifically saying you're ridiculing them...but people do, on a regular basis).
there is a big difference between replacing, and adding to. Want a new movie? That's not replacing your collection, thats adding to it. There is absolutely no reason, at all, for you to replace what you have - if you like it. If you actually like watching that stuff on VHS, then continue doing so for many more years. No replacement necessary.
I do still see many new releases in VHS, btw - years and years after it has been outdated as crap. Seriously, you like the degraded quality, the aging tape, the lower def, the limited sound options, and having to actually rewind and fast forward? Eh whatever. Your VHS collection won't last as long as the ability to buy a replacement player. If you want to stick to the old crap, more power to you. The fact that the VHS tapes wear out (usages stretches the tape, and there is physical contact between the heads and the tape, wearing it) has both nothing, and everything, to do with the format changing - it changed because VHS sucked, it didn't change because of some conspiracy to "force" you to replace your collection.
No. One. Is. Forcing. You. To. Replace. Anything. You can keep watchin that old crap as long as you like. Want new stuff? Comes on new media, sorry. Join the 21st century with us, it's not so bad as you think.
I'm sick of needing to replace my movie collection every however many years. I had a crap load of vhs. I now have a library of films on dvd.
And I'm sick of hearing people suggest they have to replace their collection. VCR players are still available at retailers. DVD players will be available for a long while as well. For that matter, if BlueRay wins, HD-DVD players will be available for a long while still.
Do you not prefer watching a dvd, over watching a VCR tape? If you prefer the VHS, then why aren't you still using it?
No one is making you upgrade to the improved format. I can see complaining that there isn't a clear format (or wasn't, until very recently) to buy in to for replacing your DVD collection, but that isn't what you're complaining about here. Your dvd collection will work on a dvd player, and it will work on a HD-DVD player, and it will work on a BlueRay player. If you're happy with DVD, keep buying dvd until the war over the new format is over, and don't pretend anyone is forcing you to replace what you have at that point.
I'll hand it to the mods for not passing this off as some new thing that this administration was doing though, and instead referencing it in more generic terms. But yeah, it's already been going on for 11 years now. A search for "Carnivore" nets several dozen results on slashdot alone. So, old news, dupe...?
I've spent a little bit reading the posts on this thread, and while there were a couple of insightful comments like this one, most are filled with people either asserting that IT isn't going away because "stupid users do stupid things" and such, or arguing whether or not that can be mitigated.
Problem is, that's not really relevant. In a major corporation, what percent of the IT budget do you really think is devoted to the helpdesk? Any HR department can find a million people who would be ecstatic to be simple windows support for $10/hr, just by placing a sign in front of the door. Now, what about those who are in it as a career? HR can't put a sign up saying "Looking for Senior UNIX Engineer with 10+ years experience with HPUX, Solaris, and Linux; additional qualifications are strong proficiency in C and Perl, some experience as an Oracle DBA, and must be able to pass a security clearance for work with our DoD customers."
Yeah, I don't see that as being successful as just a sign in front of the door. And guess what? When you think of getting rid of those folks making $60-$100/hr (or more, sometimes and in some places), the numbers start adding up really fast without even considering getting rid of the guy that installs printer drivers on your desktop.
meaningless distinction. Give me an example of something you can have at "no cost."
The last breath of air you inhaled? Cost you calories. The last book that some crazy person wrote, had self-published, and shipped to you for free without a single ad in it? You still have to read it, which costs you time (and calories, among other things).
Again - if you really want to go down that absurd path, give me an example of something that you get at no cost to you. Something that fits your definition of "free."
seriously. I'm not sure what people are thinking when they suggest calling for a boycott at this point. How about just joining the boycott that has been in place for years.
I, for example, have bought one - and only one (and it was for my wife) - cd from the RIAA in about a decade. I buy a crapton of music from artists not affiliated with RIAA, though.
That being said, EMI this year has been listening, I think. They've started a lot of DRM-free stuff on iTunes, and they're talking about leaving the RIAA. If I knew of a letter/petition I could sign to tell them to keep up the good work and I'll buy from them again, I'd jump on it. Hell, I am nearly prepared to start such a thing myself.
I want Web1.0 back...back when spam was just an annoyance, slashdot did news for nerds (and not BS politics for idiots), and one could find actual communities online.
I don't suppose you're aware that ip ranges are handed out to various folks? That someone can generally tell where a surfer is from due to their IP?
When they specifically say "in the UK" yes - I'll dismiss someone saying they're from Arizona. As bbc is a tax-funded group they've an interest in seeing how many of the people actually paying for are using it. Not that hard to do too, so hey. And I fully sympathize if they want to weigh more heavily the impact things will have on those who are actually paying for the bbc, versus those (in Arizona, among other places) who are not.
because there are probably fifty people who access bbc.co.uk using Linux from my *department* at the University of Arizona?
"We have 17.1 million users of bbc.co.uk in the UK and, as far as our server logs can make out, 5 per cent of those [use Macs] and around 400 to 600 are Linux users"
Wasn't aware there was a University of Arizona in the UK...
we're not the victors. We were collateral damage, spectators that were too close to the flame.
Are there any cliche', meaningless sayings for the character that is revealed of a person after a competition of which they weren't directly a part?
2 football teams play, one wins, the winners (hopefully) are gracious to the losers. But in the stands, the audience is certainly expected to be cheering their asses off, talking about their favorite plays during the game. That's us. So, get over it.
First, a broken hinge doesn't even need the system to be turned on to demonstrate. I'm betting the guy was just an ass to the customer service there, and broke the laptop himself. Look at the only details he gives:
"...the hinge to the display has started to crack the plastic casing. Anyone in the know will know that this is due to the joint inside...
What the fark is that supposed to mean? Sounds to me like you hit it on something, jerked it open too far, or such. Little light on the detail of what happened, but perfectly willing to name the store. There isn't even a link for a picture or such? Or maybe something simple like, I dunno, the type of laptop it was? And minor details like whether or not you, after taking it in, bothered to check the warranty for such a clause?
That you don't mention these things is very damning. At least, to me it is...I'm sure plenty of people will lemming all over it though.
Your motto contains inappropriate language. Please try again
Ok, so folks are droning on and on about "Windows" and "Microsoft" not being allowed either.
So here's a question: if you tried to make a username that was ilovemicrosoft (and it wasn't already taken), would it respond with the "Your motto contains inappropriate language. Please try again?"
"Inappropriate" seems like an odd word there. If they wanted it to be more generic, shouldn't they have used something like "disallowed?"
Not that microsux has ever been good at providing meaningful/useful error messages on a consistent basis...
sorry, yes. They have so many things that should push economic growth, and should make their GDP massive, yet their economy isn't really (those factors considered) that great. There's nothing "miraculous" about their economy at all. All things actually considered, it's rather poor. The fact that they will soon pay for some of those cost-cutting methods (lack of pollution and sanitation control) just makes it worse.
One has to then wonder why, despite those factors, their economy is in fact doing so poorly. The answer seems somewhat obvious to me, but...well, it's certainly a different type of discussion, at the very least.
velocity might overcome the density difference in short order, but there's also the fact that foam will break off in large chunks, spreading out the area of impact (lessening the surface impact danger, increasing structural failure danger), whereas ice (can) break off in small chunks.
Even still, I've got other fish to fry today than trying to do a 3 factor comparison of that nature, especially when NASA scientists already did it and as you said, came to the conclusion that foam did it.;)
which is what I said. China's economy is no "miracle," it is actually very poor, considering all the things going for it (China's economy, not China's future or its citizenry).
'Made by China' rather than simply 'Made in China' will mean that the country's economic miracle stands a far better chance of lasting longer.
I suppose it was a "miracle" when we used slaves here in the US to do farming, build railroads, etc?
They have 1/5 the total world population...current estimate: 1,321,851,888.
Japan has 127,433,494 people.
And the US? 301,139,947.
China has more than 3 times the population of Japan and the US combined.
Further, China is taking the cheapest route on everything, and is suffering for it. The air quality there is horrendous, the water isn't drinkable - hell, we'll need to worry about them invading someone soon just so they can find someplace to be able to breathe. Cutting corners, doing no pollution control, no sanitation efforts...yeah, of course you can make extra $$ that way. At what cost, though.
The only miraculous thing here is that they are doing so poorly despite these and other things massively in their favor.
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so? What is your point?
Try it yourself - hack up some script to randomly generate IPs and then ping sweep the network blocks. You'll probably be quite surprised at the result.
The claim that non-responsive IPs mean they're not being used is absolutely silly. I'm not going to argue with you if blocking incoming untrusted ICMP is a "mistake," but it is certainly very common. Which is, well, my point. What was yours?
just because nothing responds, doesn't mean nothing is there.
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
Tada. "reject" is one thing, because it actually responds. "drop" though - just drops the packet...almost like nothing is even there. And yet, I can go out and do things, and stuff can get back to me on established sockets.
In some parts of the U.S., football is the dominant religion.
And in other parts, it's WoW.
I'm not convinced that weekly events where communities gather, and put their support/hopes/whatever behind a certain team/task/whatever, and have the tenacity to do it every week, year after year, regardless of success, is a bad thing...regardless what that event is.
Are there other things I think it would be better for communities to rally behind? Sure, but maybe the frivolity of a high school football game is exactly why it is (or rather, was) so successful. These communities, the small places on the maps that used to make microwaves that lasted more than a year (you know, back before absolutely everything in absolutely every store was made in China), had to have something to keep them together. They had to be a cohesive social entity. If one person lost their farm, the others had to help, because that was just how that system worked...back before factory farming, back before everything was made with the cheapest parts possible.
Ridicule them all you want, but very soon will come the time we will all wish we had cherished the small-towns, and what they did for us.
(no, I'm not specifically saying you're ridiculing them...but people do, on a regular basis).
there is a big difference between replacing, and adding to. Want a new movie? That's not replacing your collection, thats adding to it. There is absolutely no reason, at all, for you to replace what you have - if you like it. If you actually like watching that stuff on VHS, then continue doing so for many more years. No replacement necessary.
I do still see many new releases in VHS, btw - years and years after it has been outdated as crap. Seriously, you like the degraded quality, the aging tape, the lower def, the limited sound options, and having to actually rewind and fast forward? Eh whatever. Your VHS collection won't last as long as the ability to buy a replacement player. If you want to stick to the old crap, more power to you. The fact that the VHS tapes wear out (usages stretches the tape, and there is physical contact between the heads and the tape, wearing it) has both nothing, and everything, to do with the format changing - it changed because VHS sucked, it didn't change because of some conspiracy to "force" you to replace your collection.
No. One. Is. Forcing. You. To. Replace. Anything. You can keep watchin that old crap as long as you like. Want new stuff? Comes on new media, sorry. Join the 21st century with us, it's not so bad as you think.
I'm sick of needing to replace my movie collection every however many years. I had a crap load of vhs. I now have a library of films on dvd.
And I'm sick of hearing people suggest they have to replace their collection. VCR players are still available at retailers. DVD players will be available for a long while as well. For that matter, if BlueRay wins, HD-DVD players will be available for a long while still.
Do you not prefer watching a dvd, over watching a VCR tape? If you prefer the VHS, then why aren't you still using it?
No one is making you upgrade to the improved format. I can see complaining that there isn't a clear format (or wasn't, until very recently) to buy in to for replacing your DVD collection, but that isn't what you're complaining about here. Your dvd collection will work on a dvd player, and it will work on a HD-DVD player, and it will work on a BlueRay player. If you're happy with DVD, keep buying dvd until the war over the new format is over, and don't pretend anyone is forcing you to replace what you have at that point.
Yeah, it's called Carnivore.
I'll hand it to the mods for not passing this off as some new thing that this administration was doing though, and instead referencing it in more generic terms. But yeah, it's already been going on for 11 years now. A search for "Carnivore" nets several dozen results on slashdot alone. So, old news, dupe...?
I've spent a little bit reading the posts on this thread, and while there were a couple of insightful comments like this one, most are filled with people either asserting that IT isn't going away because "stupid users do stupid things" and such, or arguing whether or not that can be mitigated.
Problem is, that's not really relevant. In a major corporation, what percent of the IT budget do you really think is devoted to the helpdesk? Any HR department can find a million people who would be ecstatic to be simple windows support for $10/hr, just by placing a sign in front of the door. Now, what about those who are in it as a career? HR can't put a sign up saying "Looking for Senior UNIX Engineer with 10+ years experience with HPUX, Solaris, and Linux; additional qualifications are strong proficiency in C and Perl, some experience as an Oracle DBA, and must be able to pass a security clearance for work with our DoD customers."
Yeah, I don't see that as being successful as just a sign in front of the door. And guess what? When you think of getting rid of those folks making $60-$100/hr (or more, sometimes and in some places), the numbers start adding up really fast without even considering getting rid of the guy that installs printer drivers on your desktop.
I'm perfectly fine with calling it "free," myself. That's why I pointed out that "no cost" is meaningless.
meaningless distinction. Give me an example of something you can have at "no cost."
The last breath of air you inhaled? Cost you calories. The last book that some crazy person wrote, had self-published, and shipped to you for free without a single ad in it? You still have to read it, which costs you time (and calories, among other things).
Again - if you really want to go down that absurd path, give me an example of something that you get at no cost to you. Something that fits your definition of "free."
seriously. I'm not sure what people are thinking when they suggest calling for a boycott at this point. How about just joining the boycott that has been in place for years.
I, for example, have bought one - and only one (and it was for my wife) - cd from the RIAA in about a decade. I buy a crapton of music from artists not affiliated with RIAA, though.
That being said, EMI this year has been listening, I think. They've started a lot of DRM-free stuff on iTunes, and they're talking about leaving the RIAA. If I knew of a letter/petition I could sign to tell them to keep up the good work and I'll buy from them again, I'd jump on it. Hell, I am nearly prepared to start such a thing myself.
It's Not News It's Fark: How Mass Media Tries to Pass Off Crap as News
I want Web1.0 back...back when spam was just an annoyance, slashdot did news for nerds (and not BS politics for idiots), and one could find actual communities online.
Oh well.
barely worth mentioning, but I'll mention it anyway.
5 people is not 8% of 400-600. It is approx 1%.
...bbc.co.uk in the UK and...
I don't suppose you're aware that ip ranges are handed out to various folks? That someone can generally tell where a surfer is from due to their IP?
When they specifically say "in the UK" yes - I'll dismiss someone saying they're from Arizona. As bbc is a tax-funded group they've an interest in seeing how many of the people actually paying for are using it. Not that hard to do too, so hey. And I fully sympathize if they want to weigh more heavily the impact things will have on those who are actually paying for the bbc, versus those (in Arizona, among other places) who are not.
because there are probably fifty people who access bbc.co.uk using Linux from my *department* at the University of Arizona?
"We have 17.1 million users of bbc.co.uk in the UK and, as far as our server logs can make out, 5 per cent of those [use Macs] and around 400 to 600 are Linux users"
Wasn't aware there was a University of Arizona in the UK...
they thank you by paying you. Funny, that. If you started being professional about it, you might end up making more than the $1200/week pittance.
we're not the victors. We were collateral damage, spectators that were too close to the flame.
Are there any cliche', meaningless sayings for the character that is revealed of a person after a competition of which they weren't directly a part?
2 football teams play, one wins, the winners (hopefully) are gracious to the losers. But in the stands, the audience is certainly expected to be cheering their asses off, talking about their favorite plays during the game. That's us. So, get over it.
there's got to be more of a story here.
First, a broken hinge doesn't even need the system to be turned on to demonstrate. I'm betting the guy was just an ass to the customer service there, and broke the laptop himself. Look at the only details he gives:
"...the hinge to the display has started to crack the plastic casing. Anyone in the know will know that this is due to the joint inside...
What the fark is that supposed to mean? Sounds to me like you hit it on something, jerked it open too far, or such. Little light on the detail of what happened, but perfectly willing to name the store. There isn't even a link for a picture or such? Or maybe something simple like, I dunno, the type of laptop it was? And minor details like whether or not you, after taking it in, bothered to check the warranty for such a clause?
That you don't mention these things is very damning. At least, to me it is...I'm sure plenty of people will lemming all over it though.
Meh, whatever.
Your motto contains inappropriate language. Please try again
Ok, so folks are droning on and on about "Windows" and "Microsoft" not being allowed either.
So here's a question: if you tried to make a username that was ilovemicrosoft (and it wasn't already taken), would it respond with the "Your motto contains inappropriate language. Please try again?"
"Inappropriate" seems like an odd word there. If they wanted it to be more generic, shouldn't they have used something like "disallowed?"
Not that microsux has ever been good at providing meaningful/useful error messages on a consistent basis...
no, the key word is "scare tactic"
Nothin doin. Such won't ever be required here. In the next country that is on this soil? Perhaps. Not this one, however.
sorry, yes. They have so many things that should push economic growth, and should make their GDP massive, yet their economy isn't really (those factors considered) that great. There's nothing "miraculous" about their economy at all. All things actually considered, it's rather poor. The fact that they will soon pay for some of those cost-cutting methods (lack of pollution and sanitation control) just makes it worse.
One has to then wonder why, despite those factors, their economy is in fact doing so poorly. The answer seems somewhat obvious to me, but...well, it's certainly a different type of discussion, at the very least.
velocity might overcome the density difference in short order, but there's also the fact that foam will break off in large chunks, spreading out the area of impact (lessening the surface impact danger, increasing structural failure danger), whereas ice (can) break off in small chunks.
;)
Even still, I've got other fish to fry today than trying to do a 3 factor comparison of that nature, especially when NASA scientists already did it and as you said, came to the conclusion that foam did it.
proof that I am over 40-mumble-somthing is the fact that I asterisk'd the questionable use of "And" as the start of a sentance.
and what does your spelling of the word sentence prove?
(sorry, had to)
which is what I said. China's economy is no "miracle," it is actually very poor, considering all the things going for it (China's economy, not China's future or its citizenry).
Now that I've repeated myself...
for creating GDP, a larger population is most certainly a benefit. I can't fathom why you would think elsewise.
'Made by China' rather than simply 'Made in China' will mean that the country's economic miracle stands a far better chance of lasting longer.
I suppose it was a "miracle" when we used slaves here in the US to do farming, build railroads, etc?
They have 1/5 the total world population...current estimate: 1,321,851,888.
Japan has 127,433,494 people.
And the US? 301,139,947.
China has more than 3 times the population of Japan and the US combined.
Further, China is taking the cheapest route on everything, and is suffering for it. The air quality there is horrendous, the water isn't drinkable - hell, we'll need to worry about them invading someone soon just so they can find someplace to be able to breathe. Cutting corners, doing no pollution control, no sanitation efforts...yeah, of course you can make extra $$ that way. At what cost, though.
The only miraculous thing here is that they are doing so poorly despite these and other things massively in their favor.