flawed comparison on two levels; if Dell started using AMD, it would be a substantial portion of their sales, each sale meaning one less sale for Intel. Using Linux doesn't have the same effect on MS - many will buy Ubuntu desktops that otherwise would not have bought from Dell, others will buy that would have anyway, but will use Ubuntu. Not only would MS not lose a substantial portion of the Dell sales, there wouldn't be the one more for Linux is one less for MS situation.
Ubuntu has been pressing into schools and after-school programs on the grassroots level, and a system that comes pre-installed from Dell, with Ubuntu, means it is ready for schools to use. So it is quite possible, if Ubuntu's supporters play their cards right and did proper groundwork prior to this, that there could be a fairly sizable new user base from this./speculation
also, the CIA was behind 9/11 - as we could see in Oakland this last weekend, concrete and steel don't melt and become unstable.
It could be, and I know this is crazy, but it could be that what lots of people have requested (or several people have requested many times each, depending), Dell is simply providing. There is a potential demand, but no supply. Dell knows they did a piss-poor attempt with their previous Linux offerings, so they can't really count that failure against Linux on the Desktop as a paradigm. Additionally, it has been a few years, and Linux has matured in the desktop world a bit more.
What Ubuntu brings in to all this is an integrated role-based system with handy tools and such. This means Dell can sleep a little better at night not thinking everyone is logged in as root on their boxes, surfing the web. RedHat doesn't do this, and Ubuntu has this huge silly grassroots thing right now (a grassroots movement that will feel the sting of betrayal in about 18 months, by my guess).
There are actual reasons to do this, sans some silly bargaining chip for negotiations with MS. Sometimes a cigar is, indeed, just a cigar.
Why? So you don't have to bother with the details of how it is set up?
Don't get me wrong, I just talked about wanting to see this a couple days ago, but if you already know how to do something, what does it matter to you that it is pre-loaded?
What I find funny is when people laugh and say it's indicative of a failure when Dell et al. start selling systems with XP again instead of Vista. Um, hello? So far as I know, XP is from Microsoft too.
The failure I'm looking for is when Dell and such start selling systems with something not made by MS. And I'm not talking about the times they've charged the same (or sometimes, much more) for putting some random distro of Linux on the boxes. I'm talking about Dell putting their own little touches on RH-workstation, or Ubuntu, just like they do with Windows. Actually *selling* the systems, not just offering them on an obscure corner of the web page. Things like mentioning the extra virus safety inherent in the alternatives, for example.
Or better, when someone like Sony stops using directX, and puts out all their games in OpenGL. Then, sells a single install DVD that will install on either windows or Linux, because fark, there's not *that* much extra they'd have to do to develop in parallel. Yeah, I know, Loki. Guess what, Loki didn't have the luxury of doing it side-by-side, they simply ported the games others made. I also think Loki would do much better in 2007 and beyond than they did prior to closing in 2001/2002.
But yeah, back on point...XP still puts money in MS's coffers, and realistically, for most people the things that are slowing down tech purchases right now have little to do with MS.
1) stupidly power-hungry components, esp video cards and processors
2) blue-ray vrs HD-dvd war
3) availability of directX 10 cards (which should have happened by now, even if MS was slow giving out specs)
I play UNO with cards and real people. I play a real guitar. I haven't heard of the rest of those games.
What I was saying is that game types have changed. You don't see a thread between Starcraft, Civ, MoM, XCom:TFTD, etc? One that is different than the popular games of today, sans a few games that MS puts out?
Sorry if you're too busy playing a pretend guitar to understand the difference...?
To me it's like pretty much everything else. Is "pop" today better/worse than "pop" 20 years ago? Well, it's not apples and apples..."pop" itself has changed. How do you compare Britney to INXS? The type of games we play now are different than the type we played "back in the day" so there's really no good way to compare them. Now, take that statement, and look at the/. article. You might figure out what I was saying, then.
Problem is that I'm not interested in a driving game (GTA or whatever) nor a first-person-shooter (ala Quake). What's left in modern stuff?
My favorite games are still Master of Magic, Starcraft, and XCom: Terror from the Deep. I like the MMORPGs, but not enough to have played one in the last couple years. They end up being more of a chore than a game, and I'd rather go running.
I guess the issue is that the market changed, and people now buy games I'm not really interested in. Civ2 was better game-play-wise than Civ4, and was certainly less preachy. The only game company that has seemed to stick to the "control-large-armies" style of play has been Microsoft, and I just can't bring myself to buy anything from them. Fortunately, I still find MoM to be fun (despite the constant crashing).
Until my boss can set appointments on my calendar for me, and until anyone in my company can view my calendar (but not anyone outside my company...), I'll still (unfortunately) be forced to have a PC running whose only purpose is to run outlook.
any gain from that (winning the war) is offset, and potentially lost all together, by the lost revenues of the last couple years due to consumers not wanting to be in the middle of the format war.
I wish the movie industry, video industry, computer industry, and audio industry would all get together and realize that they are hurting themselves with this.
I have been wanting to replace my TV for 2 years now. I haven't yet, because what I have will play my old dvds fine, and I'm not going to buy two different players, and maintain two different formats of nextgen dvds. Sure, the dual-format players resolve this to some degree, and it's about time this happened, but realistically...
I'll tell you what I've almost done though. I've not had a game console since...well, a very long time ago, but since the PS3 has hdmi and optical audio outputs, while being just as cheap as a full blue-ray player without a game system attached, I've thought about getting a PS3 and not worrying about upgrading my computer (which handles non-games just fine). Thought about doing this. If these folks would just stop bickering and agree to something (or agree to do dual-format for a while), then I and a horde of others would be out there replacing our dvd libraries with the newer stuff.
somewhat hard to whip out the video camera while I'm on a bike. And in the rare situations when I'm in a car, I wouldn't consider using a video camera while driving to be very safe, ya know? I've done lots of cross-country drives lately, and the idea of doing some dumb-assed stunt like chasing down a police officer, stalking him to see if he does it again, and then video taping him while I'm driving...all while I'm hundreds of miles from home...doesn't sound very appealing to me. I don't hold a camera at ready at all times while driving or riding you know, and as such I don't have the time to pull one out when I see the same cop again coming up from behind me, then later see him pulling over someone new. If I even owned a video camera, which I don't.
Nice troll though!
BTW, I have gotten a police officer fired and criminally punished, but it was for something far more serious. I don't recall seeing anything in my post there about me not doing anything when I see such.
I would follow that it is not just police, fire, and ambulance that should always follow the law except when it is in public interest, but that politicians and celebrities should follow the law too, and also that it doesn't necessarily need to be a "public interest" - If my friend has a gunshot wound and I'm driving him to the hospital in my car (and I'm not in an ambulance...), I do not have malicious intent if I slow for a red light, make sure no one is coming, and then carry on through the intersection. In such a situation, I shouldn't get a ticket either.
I've seen countless police officers that pull people over, then cruise down the road at 90mph, set up another speed trap, pull someone over...if there's no need for the officer to speed, he shouldn't be doing it either.
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so if they don't succeed with minimal tools, because such just gets circumvented within hours, they should just give up?
Personally, I'd like to see really strict requirements that the MPA and RIAA require to be able to play their crap. Then, I'd like to have the option to not be able to play their crap. Unfortunately, no mass-producer of PCs will put out something that can't play movies or music cds. Which means, Intel and AMD won't produce processors that don't have the restrictive crap.
I could always get cells or something, I guess...
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I've personally been boycotting the RIAA for 10 years now due to their shenanigans, and I've been tight with MPA. That being said, there's life outside of watching a farkin movie for free on your computer. No, seriously.
All this "fair use" is silly; it'll still be easy to copy the disk, so that's not the issue. The issue is just that if someone wants to try to restrict who can watch their video, esp one online, they'll have more tools to do that.
I've been a contributor to FOSS for 13 years now, and I'm just as anti-capitalism as the next guy if not more (no, seriously), but things should be open because the creators want them to be, not because you take it from them. If we're going to go the violent revolution route, lots of you folks are going to have to start working out a bit, and stepping away from the cheetos.
umm...that's the point. Just as heroin is illegal, they made online casino-style gaming illegal.
"online gambling" isn't illegal in general, as I've stated several times. It's been legal to buy stocks, bonds, futures, insurance, and many other forms of gambling for years now, and it will continue to be legal. Stop lumping "online gambling" as one single thing.
so if people can buy stocks and bonds, then no gambling can be outlawed?
I can buy aspirin online, so I should be able to buy herion from offshore sites too, eh? No? Yes?
You're putting up flawed descriptors. Hell, technically speaking, offshore gambling wasn't even made illegal anyway...you just can't transfer the money to or from those sites and a US-authorized financial institution.
And all that being said, if their response is to set up an allofmp3.com-type thing, then I'm cool with that.
apparently, the mods today don't like sarcasm that has a point. Lets try again.
MS is part of the group that created the HD-DVD standard. They were not part of the group that made the DVD standard. Titles that had problems with the DVD standard initially either were not from groups associated with the DVD standard, or they were stupid.
Point is, I don't care if some DVD titles had problems with early DVD players. That is completely unrelated to whether or not it is ridiculous that MS can't follow the standard they helped create. Is MS-bashing cliche'? Sure. Does that mean that it isn't dumb that this is happening? No.
there's lots of legal gambling. buying (or not buying) insurance, for instance. Buying a house in a volatile market. Buying stocks, bonds, futures. All legal forms of gambling.
If I go into an online game and fold my full house, and let a king high opponent win, simply because that person is a person I am trying to transfer money to without it being traceable, that presents a problem to those who are trying to monitor funds going to/from hostile groups.
But horses? All I can really do on horses is bet on them. Sans someone drugging all horses other than the one I bet on, horse betting isn't a very safe way to launder money.
Horse betting is inherently different than poker. Outlawing online casino-style gambling, in general, is a very clear set of borders.
Again, the WTO has no authority to force the US to allow the importation of herion either.
we banned ALL online gambling, not just overseas gambling.
If we still allowed domestic online gambling, then that would be a different matter.
The WTO also has no authority to force the US to allow countries to import herion into this country, either. It is an across-the-board illegal activity here, there is no protectionism.
anyway, I don't see how the hell someone could compare this to nuclear weapons. Online Gambling being illegal is comparable to someone who keeps saying he wants to destroy Israel, and is getting nuclear weapons? Whaaaa?
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flawed comparison on two levels; if Dell started using AMD, it would be a substantial portion of their sales, each sale meaning one less sale for Intel. Using Linux doesn't have the same effect on MS - many will buy Ubuntu desktops that otherwise would not have bought from Dell, others will buy that would have anyway, but will use Ubuntu. Not only would MS not lose a substantial portion of the Dell sales, there wouldn't be the one more for Linux is one less for MS situation.
Ubuntu has been pressing into schools and after-school programs on the grassroots level, and a system that comes pre-installed from Dell, with Ubuntu, means it is ready for schools to use. So it is quite possible, if Ubuntu's supporters play their cards right and did proper groundwork prior to this, that there could be a fairly sizable new user base from this. /speculation
hmm...I guess I can grant that one to you on some levels (hobbyist, etc). You win this round. ;)
also, the CIA was behind 9/11 - as we could see in Oakland this last weekend, concrete and steel don't melt and become unstable.
It could be, and I know this is crazy, but it could be that what lots of people have requested (or several people have requested many times each, depending), Dell is simply providing. There is a potential demand, but no supply. Dell knows they did a piss-poor attempt with their previous Linux offerings, so they can't really count that failure against Linux on the Desktop as a paradigm. Additionally, it has been a few years, and Linux has matured in the desktop world a bit more.
What Ubuntu brings in to all this is an integrated role-based system with handy tools and such. This means Dell can sleep a little better at night not thinking everyone is logged in as root on their boxes, surfing the web. RedHat doesn't do this, and Ubuntu has this huge silly grassroots thing right now (a grassroots movement that will feel the sting of betrayal in about 18 months, by my guess).
There are actual reasons to do this, sans some silly bargaining chip for negotiations with MS. Sometimes a cigar is, indeed, just a cigar.
I like the idea of it pre-loaded.
Why? So you don't have to bother with the details of how it is set up?
Don't get me wrong, I just talked about wanting to see this a couple days ago, but if you already know how to do something, what does it matter to you that it is pre-loaded?
What I find funny is when people laugh and say it's indicative of a failure when Dell et al. start selling systems with XP again instead of Vista. Um, hello? So far as I know, XP is from Microsoft too. The failure I'm looking for is when Dell and such start selling systems with something not made by MS. And I'm not talking about the times they've charged the same (or sometimes, much more) for putting some random distro of Linux on the boxes. I'm talking about Dell putting their own little touches on RH-workstation, or Ubuntu, just like they do with Windows. Actually *selling* the systems, not just offering them on an obscure corner of the web page. Things like mentioning the extra virus safety inherent in the alternatives, for example. Or better, when someone like Sony stops using directX, and puts out all their games in OpenGL. Then, sells a single install DVD that will install on either windows or Linux, because fark, there's not *that* much extra they'd have to do to develop in parallel. Yeah, I know, Loki. Guess what, Loki didn't have the luxury of doing it side-by-side, they simply ported the games others made. I also think Loki would do much better in 2007 and beyond than they did prior to closing in 2001/2002. But yeah, back on point...XP still puts money in MS's coffers, and realistically, for most people the things that are slowing down tech purchases right now have little to do with MS. 1) stupidly power-hungry components, esp video cards and processors 2) blue-ray vrs HD-dvd war 3) availability of directX 10 cards (which should have happened by now, even if MS was slow giving out specs)
"VIRIP targets a sugar molecule which HIV uses to infect a host cell."
/sarcasm
Well clearly then, the real solution is to destroy all the sugars in your body!
Good for them though, lets get this solved.
you drive a car in GTA, right? so um, yeah.
/. article. You might figure out what I was saying, then.
I play UNO with cards and real people. I play a real guitar. I haven't heard of the rest of those games.
What I was saying is that game types have changed. You don't see a thread between Starcraft, Civ, MoM, XCom:TFTD, etc? One that is different than the popular games of today, sans a few games that MS puts out?
Sorry if you're too busy playing a pretend guitar to understand the difference...?
To me it's like pretty much everything else. Is "pop" today better/worse than "pop" 20 years ago? Well, it's not apples and apples..."pop" itself has changed. How do you compare Britney to INXS? The type of games we play now are different than the type we played "back in the day" so there's really no good way to compare them. Now, take that statement, and look at the
who the fark lets those things stick around long enough to have useful data? Isn't just accepted practice to do cookie maintenance every few weeks?
Except of course, now google can pair up my google ID with those doubleclick cookies I keep deleting...
Problem is that I'm not interested in a driving game (GTA or whatever) nor a first-person-shooter (ala Quake). What's left in modern stuff?
My favorite games are still Master of Magic, Starcraft, and XCom: Terror from the Deep. I like the MMORPGs, but not enough to have played one in the last couple years. They end up being more of a chore than a game, and I'd rather go running.
I guess the issue is that the market changed, and people now buy games I'm not really interested in. Civ2 was better game-play-wise than Civ4, and was certainly less preachy. The only game company that has seemed to stick to the "control-large-armies" style of play has been Microsoft, and I just can't bring myself to buy anything from them. Fortunately, I still find MoM to be fun (despite the constant crashing).
Until my boss can set appointments on my calendar for me, and until anyone in my company can view my calendar (but not anyone outside my company...), I'll still (unfortunately) be forced to have a PC running whose only purpose is to run outlook.
that Richard sure is a Dick!
(badum-ching)
any gain from that (winning the war) is offset, and potentially lost all together, by the lost revenues of the last couple years due to consumers not wanting to be in the middle of the format war.
I wish the movie industry, video industry, computer industry, and audio industry would all get together and realize that they are hurting themselves with this.
I have been wanting to replace my TV for 2 years now. I haven't yet, because what I have will play my old dvds fine, and I'm not going to buy two different players, and maintain two different formats of nextgen dvds. Sure, the dual-format players resolve this to some degree, and it's about time this happened, but realistically...
I'll tell you what I've almost done though. I've not had a game console since...well, a very long time ago, but since the PS3 has hdmi and optical audio outputs, while being just as cheap as a full blue-ray player without a game system attached, I've thought about getting a PS3 and not worrying about upgrading my computer (which handles non-games just fine). Thought about doing this. If these folks would just stop bickering and agree to something (or agree to do dual-format for a while), then I and a horde of others would be out there replacing our dvd libraries with the newer stuff.
somewhat hard to whip out the video camera while I'm on a bike. And in the rare situations when I'm in a car, I wouldn't consider using a video camera while driving to be very safe, ya know? I've done lots of cross-country drives lately, and the idea of doing some dumb-assed stunt like chasing down a police officer, stalking him to see if he does it again, and then video taping him while I'm driving...all while I'm hundreds of miles from home...doesn't sound very appealing to me. I don't hold a camera at ready at all times while driving or riding you know, and as such I don't have the time to pull one out when I see the same cop again coming up from behind me, then later see him pulling over someone new. If I even owned a video camera, which I don't.
Nice troll though!
BTW, I have gotten a police officer fired and criminally punished, but it was for something far more serious. I don't recall seeing anything in my post there about me not doing anything when I see such.
I would follow that it is not just police, fire, and ambulance that should always follow the law except when it is in public interest, but that politicians and celebrities should follow the law too, and also that it doesn't necessarily need to be a "public interest" - If my friend has a gunshot wound and I'm driving him to the hospital in my car (and I'm not in an ambulance...), I do not have malicious intent if I slow for a red light, make sure no one is coming, and then carry on through the intersection. In such a situation, I shouldn't get a ticket either.
I've seen countless police officers that pull people over, then cruise down the road at 90mph, set up another speed trap, pull someone over...if there's no need for the officer to speed, he shouldn't be doing it either.
so if they don't succeed with minimal tools, because such just gets circumvented within hours, they should just give up?
Personally, I'd like to see really strict requirements that the MPA and RIAA require to be able to play their crap. Then, I'd like to have the option to not be able to play their crap. Unfortunately, no mass-producer of PCs will put out something that can't play movies or music cds. Which means, Intel and AMD won't produce processors that don't have the restrictive crap.
I could always get cells or something, I guess...
I've personally been boycotting the RIAA for 10 years now due to their shenanigans, and I've been tight with MPA. That being said, there's life outside of watching a farkin movie for free on your computer. No, seriously.
All this "fair use" is silly; it'll still be easy to copy the disk, so that's not the issue. The issue is just that if someone wants to try to restrict who can watch their video, esp one online, they'll have more tools to do that.
I've been a contributor to FOSS for 13 years now, and I'm just as anti-capitalism as the next guy if not more (no, seriously), but things should be open because the creators want them to be, not because you take it from them. If we're going to go the violent revolution route, lots of you folks are going to have to start working out a bit, and stepping away from the cheetos.
umm...that's the point. Just as heroin is illegal, they made online casino-style gaming illegal.
"online gambling" isn't illegal in general, as I've stated several times. It's been legal to buy stocks, bonds, futures, insurance, and many other forms of gambling for years now, and it will continue to be legal. Stop lumping "online gambling" as one single thing.
so if people can buy stocks and bonds, then no gambling can be outlawed?
I can buy aspirin online, so I should be able to buy herion from offshore sites too, eh? No? Yes?
You're putting up flawed descriptors. Hell, technically speaking, offshore gambling wasn't even made illegal anyway...you just can't transfer the money to or from those sites and a US-authorized financial institution.
And all that being said, if their response is to set up an allofmp3.com-type thing, then I'm cool with that.
apparently, the mods today don't like sarcasm that has a point. Lets try again.
MS is part of the group that created the HD-DVD standard. They were not part of the group that made the DVD standard. Titles that had problems with the DVD standard initially either were not from groups associated with the DVD standard, or they were stupid.
Point is, I don't care if some DVD titles had problems with early DVD players. That is completely unrelated to whether or not it is ridiculous that MS can't follow the standard they helped create. Is MS-bashing cliche'? Sure. Does that mean that it isn't dumb that this is happening? No.
last I checked, poker != horses.
there's lots of legal gambling. buying (or not buying) insurance, for instance. Buying a house in a volatile market. Buying stocks, bonds, futures. All legal forms of gambling.
If I go into an online game and fold my full house, and let a king high opponent win, simply because that person is a person I am trying to transfer money to without it being traceable, that presents a problem to those who are trying to monitor funds going to/from hostile groups.
But horses? All I can really do on horses is bet on them. Sans someone drugging all horses other than the one I bet on, horse betting isn't a very safe way to launder money.
Horse betting is inherently different than poker. Outlawing online casino-style gambling, in general, is a very clear set of borders.
Again, the WTO has no authority to force the US to allow the importation of herion either.
we banned ALL online gambling, not just overseas gambling.
If we still allowed domestic online gambling, then that would be a different matter.
The WTO also has no authority to force the US to allow countries to import herion into this country, either. It is an across-the-board illegal activity here, there is no protectionism.
yeah, I agree. It has to be really hard for a group of people to agree to a standard, and then stick to it. Especially when MS is involved.
huh, I didn't finish that out...
anyway, I don't see how the hell someone could compare this to nuclear weapons. Online Gambling being illegal is comparable to someone who keeps saying he wants to destroy Israel, and is getting nuclear weapons? Whaaaa?
You're either a troll, or an idiot.