there is more to "copyright" than just *copying*. There is *derivative works*, which covers a large gambit of things. If you buy Microsoft Office and use it to make a Word document, that is a *derivative work*. To be allowed the right to create that derivative work, something protected by copyright law, you have to agree to the license. And again again...I don't *like* this, instead I actually quite despise it, but that doesn't make it not true.
Additionally, radio stations often have to play song X to be allowed to play song Y...or, if they're going to play song Y at all, they have to put it on heavy rotation, playing it several times a day. They can't just put a cd in and send a quarter to someone - they have to get permission first, and often times (with top-40 pop, at least), that permission comes with a list of stipulations. Another example: you can't just buy a dvd and show it at a theatre, then send a check to someone. YOu have to get *permission* to do it first, because they may decide that if you are going to show it just once, you must show it a minimum of twice a night for 2 weeks, and on 1700 screens. Such are given as requirements on a regular basis.
its a perfect example in that you only purchase a license to use it in a prescribed way. You also need to do a bit more research into copyright - it doesn't just deal with public performance, but also with derivative works...its a bit hard to reverse-engineer something without it being derivative, is it not?
Offtopic? How on earth is it offtopic? How is it not dead-on topic?
The B-15A iceberg is a 3,000-square-kilometer (1,200-square-mile) behemoth that has a history of causing problems. It is the largest fragment of a much larger iceberg that broke away from the Ross Ice Shelf in March 2000. Scientists believe that the enormous piece of ice broke away as part of a long-term natural cycle (every 50-to-100 years, or so) in which the shelf, which is roughly the size of Texas, sheds pieces much as human fingernails grow and break off.> Part of the natural cycle for this. Yes, things are melting. Yes, things are breaking off. But not all that melts or breaks off is a sign of the end of the world. See, what happens is that ice expands, and...well, if you can't read an article, then I doubt you'd understand.:P
oh! oh! oh! If we read the article, we would have seen that:
The ice tongue is thick ice that grows out over the Ross Sea from a land-based glacier on Antarctica's Scott Coast. "Ice tongues do break off on occasion," says Bindshadler.
Does that mean that sea levels rapidly increase on occassion?
I'm just as convinced the climate is going to hell as the next guy, but that doesn't mean every conspiracy is true.
He's a question, oh enlightened one - how do you reverse-engineer something without your work (the reverse engineering) being a *derivative work*, for which you did not obtain permission from the copyright owner?
Before you claim to know everything, start by knowing a little. All I'm asserting is that owning a car is different from owning a license to use software. I know a little about that, and can soundly defend the claim that the two types of ownership are, in fact, different. You, on the other hand, are completely ignoring vast sections of the laws protecting software and other creative works.
And as I've said several times...I don't *like* that its different. It just *is*.
all the sale grants you IS that license. If you then decide you don't accept the license, you then have spent money on a box, and nothing else. You have gained no real use.
Look up the laws. Simply purchasing the software does NOT grant you free reign. It does *nothing* other than giving you a license to use.
they can't do anything they want. They have to pay fees. Do you not think the stations would rather play the songs without paying the fees? Thanks for stating the obvious point I was making, that I didn't think needed to actually be written.
They can not just buy a cd at a store, declare it their property to do with as they wish, and play it on their station without paying fees to various folks. Merely purchasing the cd doesn't allow them to do as they please. They have to enter seperate license agreements to do other things with it. Hell, its not even just a matter of paying fees - you have to get permission to play it in the first place.
Same as software. If someone wants to get permission from the software manufacturer to disassemble it and find bugs, I'm sure an agreement could be made. They might even pay you, instead of you having to pay them! Amazing, that. But short of gaining that additional permission above and beyond the license you purchased when you "bought" the software, you don't have the legal right to do that.
lol...you beat my vics. I'm coughing from the short laugh I didn't supress, damn you...
the OSS movement clearly is the closest thing to marxist communism that has ever existed. I personally find that to be a very good thing, am not frightened by it and am instead heartened by the very ultra-idealized nature of it, so this realization doesn't keep me up at nights. I see true political change as possible thanks to the real-world success of this community I've been a part of for over a decade now.
There is clearly a difference, however, between a car and a license to use an instance of software. One purchases the *car* - a tangible thing. Actually, I guess, people argue that you don't really own the car, the government does, but that you just obtain the right to use it from them. Meh, conspiracy crap. Look up "Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin" and ownership...people get silly. And I digress. See, with software, you purchase a license to *use* the software. You do not buy the software itself.
In my original post I didn't say this was good or bad...oh, I hinted that it was bad, but I guess people didn't catch that. I'll say it outright: its bad! Bad policy, no ice cream for you! But being bad doesn't stop it from being. There are a lot of bad policies in effect out there. This shouldn't be news to anyone with more than just a couple brain cells.
can someone please show me where I said the word "copyright?" I don't recall doing such a thing, and something must be wrong with my browser because in my post the word just isn't showing up at all. Maybe if I switch to IE...
If you think someone can buy a cd at a store and then play it whenever they want on a radio station, you're very wrong. Any time a radio station plays a cd, they have to play royalties...unless, of course, they are not a commercial radio station. But if I need to give every damn stipulation to every damn example, that's going to take a while.
The point is that purchasing the cd does not mean you can do whatever you want with it - just like purchasing the software doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. You merely purchase the right to do with it what the ip owner intends to be done with it. Its not terribly complicated.
Is that good? Bad? I'm not commenting on that. I'm merely commenting on what is.
There is far, *far* more to the property laws than just "copyright."
did I say that copyright did any such thing? On what planet are you "insightful" for such a retort?
No, the license agreement prevents you from looking at the inner workings. You own the right to use something the way the author intended it to be used. Nothing more. Well that, and a box.
The EXACT same damn thing as a radio station owner buying a cd at a store, and then feeling like they can play it whenever they want on their station. They don't have license to do that. Gosh, its almost as if I already gave that example...
wah wah wah with the same old trite complaint. I'll give the same old trite response: apples, oranges. You own the car. With software, you only own the right to use one instance of it - right to use, not right to do whatever you want. Just like a radio station can't go buy a cd at a store and then play it over the airways - when you buy it at the store, you don't buy the rights to do anything and everything you want with it.
If you'd like a starter course on property law, someone else will have to give it to you.
Me, I truly believe information should be free, and only personal information (like, your bank account #'s, passcodes, etc) has any business being private. I'm a big supporter of all our little neo-communist mechanisms in the OSS movement. But really...don't get ownership of a car confused with ownership of software.
If you leave it as civil, then you MIGHT get something out of it from someone in a foreign country. At the very least, you can get it through obscure relations (through related subsidiary under the same parent company, that does business in the US...as an example).
Move it to criminal, and all you'll do is fill up the jails with people who are of no harm to society - since the only folks you'll get are local ones, and the real crap is happening in China and its neighbors.
"A few months ago" you quit your "secure, well-paying (but boring) job as a software engineer." You did this with the intent "to get back to computer engineering studies ([your] undergrad major) as a grad student," but you're "not sure about [your] decision."
ok, you've got a problem already. First - you had a job already in the field you're wanting to get a graduate degree in...but you found that job to be "boring."
Second problem: how wise was it to quit your job "a few months ago," when you're not even sure that you want to do this? What was it about applying for graduate school that required you to quit work, and sit around home all day playing on the computer (or however you've been spending your time)? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, part of your indecisiveness might have something to do with the fact that you're now not having to deal with that "boring" job?
Perhaps you should consider re-evaluating yourself, and realize that further cementing your life into computer software engineering just isn't what you enjoy. So...go find whatever that thing is, and do it. That's my advice - harsh, but hey.
Its not that I blame you, either - I'm only doing it until my wife gets done with school, myself...then I'm going to put IT behind me and be a teacher. It takes a person that is twisted in a special way to enjoy the drudgery of this field.
I guess my main issue at that point would be the same you had alluded to before; it can't be taken as true necessarily, and it is often false. As such, I am better off just starting with the real research itself, and skipping the wikipedia step all together.
Wanna take a guess at what percentage of home desktops are windows boxes?
I'll give you a clue: it beats 80% by double digits. Anyone else who needs to efile that doesn't have a computer, can do it at a library or one of the booths IRS will be setting up. They can get their 80% without ever worrying about anyone who uses a non-MS OS.
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I was able to do this just a couple years ago. I haven't had a computer with a floppy drive in years.
My point is people can whine about windows all they want and say Linux is staying efficient, but...its not. Its not as bad as windows has been in its best moments, but its definately taking on a lot of bloat regardless.
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really? I used to have no problem creating a kernel smaller than 512k to boot from. Now I can't get the damn thing under a meg and have it support the same stuff it did before.
Christ on Crutches? I have a good friend that says "Christ on a Crutch!" I don't know if she made that up, or got it from somewhere....where'd you get it?
From the article, the answer to what these look like from the side: The images produced by CRT tubes are crisper and aren't subject to the shifting and ghosting of LCD screens. However, the electron gun in CRTs requires a large vacuum: the tube in a 30-inch diagonal television is 23-inches deep, though slim CRTs coming next year will only need 16-inch deep tubes.
Like an LCD, an FED is made up of layers. A layer of glass is coated with a cathode and a layer of diamond dust coated with lithium or carbon nanotubes. The negatively charged cathode, organized in a grid, then emits electrons through the diamonds or nanotubes, which focus that energy like a tiny lightening rod.
But then, like a CRT, the electrons shoot through a vacuum at a layer of phosphorescent glass covered with pixels. The big difference is that the source of electrons, the carbon, is located only 1 millimeter to 2 millimeters rather than nearly 2 feet from the target glass, and instead of one electron source--the electron gun--there are thousands. The electrons are attracted to the pixilated glass because this layer contains a positively charged anode.
"This generates light the same way a CRT tube does," said Pitstick, leading to similar picture quality. At the same time, a FED is only slightly thicker than an LCD panel.
That, sir, is what a psychologist would call "projection." There are quite a lot of us that download debian or gentoo releases via bittorrent. Downloading movies is a much more resent phenominon.
Umm... Actualy, judging by the events that appeared to cause the lockups, it was the third-party Nikon Camera and Game that probably caused the problems.
Plugging damn camera into your system shouldn't cause it to lock the ENTIRE system. if the camera has a problem, it should simply not work. It most certainly *is* a major knock on microsoftie's product when plugging a camera in causes the entire system to be rendered useless.
read my comment again. I am not at all saying that what I do is best for the normal user. I am simply adressing the person who claimed it was impossible...not only is it possible, its more powerful.
The normal user also doesn't have thousands of pdf's sitting around in his documents folder...
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Additionally, radio stations often have to play song X to be allowed to play song Y...or, if they're going to play song Y at all, they have to put it on heavy rotation, playing it several times a day. They can't just put a cd in and send a quarter to someone - they have to get permission first, and often times (with top-40 pop, at least), that permission comes with a list of stipulations. Another example: you can't just buy a dvd and show it at a theatre, then send a check to someone. YOu have to get *permission* to do it first, because they may decide that if you are going to show it just once, you must show it a minimum of twice a night for 2 weeks, and on 1700 screens. Such are given as requirements on a regular basis.
Offtopic? How on earth is it offtopic? How is it not dead-on topic?
The B-15A iceberg is a 3,000-square-kilometer (1,200-square-mile) behemoth that has a history of causing problems. It is the largest fragment of a much larger iceberg that broke away from the Ross Ice Shelf in March 2000. Scientists believe that the enormous piece of ice broke away as part of a long-term natural cycle (every 50-to-100 years, or so) in which the shelf, which is roughly the size of Texas, sheds pieces much as human fingernails grow and break off.> :P
Part of the natural cycle for this. Yes, things are melting. Yes, things are breaking off. But not all that melts or breaks off is a sign of the end of the world. See, what happens is that ice expands, and...well, if you can't read an article, then I doubt you'd understand.
The ice tongue is thick ice that grows out over the Ross Sea from a land-based glacier on Antarctica's Scott Coast. "Ice tongues do break off on occasion," says Bindshadler.
Does that mean that sea levels rapidly increase on occassion?
I'm just as convinced the climate is going to hell as the next guy, but that doesn't mean every conspiracy is true.
no, it depends on licensing
He's a question, oh enlightened one - how do you reverse-engineer something without your work (the reverse engineering) being a *derivative work*, for which you did not obtain permission from the copyright owner?
Before you claim to know everything, start by knowing a little. All I'm asserting is that owning a car is different from owning a license to use software. I know a little about that, and can soundly defend the claim that the two types of ownership are, in fact, different. You, on the other hand, are completely ignoring vast sections of the laws protecting software and other creative works.
And as I've said several times...I don't *like* that its different. It just *is*.
food processors are not protected by the same sort of laws that protect software.
Look up the laws. Simply purchasing the software does NOT grant you free reign. It does *nothing* other than giving you a license to use.
They can not just buy a cd at a store, declare it their property to do with as they wish, and play it on their station without paying fees to various folks. Merely purchasing the cd doesn't allow them to do as they please. They have to enter seperate license agreements to do other things with it. Hell, its not even just a matter of paying fees - you have to get permission to play it in the first place.
Same as software. If someone wants to get permission from the software manufacturer to disassemble it and find bugs, I'm sure an agreement could be made. They might even pay you, instead of you having to pay them! Amazing, that. But short of gaining that additional permission above and beyond the license you purchased when you "bought" the software, you don't have the legal right to do that.
the OSS movement clearly is the closest thing to marxist communism that has ever existed. I personally find that to be a very good thing, am not frightened by it and am instead heartened by the very ultra-idealized nature of it, so this realization doesn't keep me up at nights. I see true political change as possible thanks to the real-world success of this community I've been a part of for over a decade now.
There is clearly a difference, however, between a car and a license to use an instance of software. One purchases the *car* - a tangible thing. Actually, I guess, people argue that you don't really own the car, the government does, but that you just obtain the right to use it from them. Meh, conspiracy crap. Look up "Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin" and ownership...people get silly. And I digress. See, with software, you purchase a license to *use* the software. You do not buy the software itself.
In my original post I didn't say this was good or bad...oh, I hinted that it was bad, but I guess people didn't catch that. I'll say it outright: its bad! Bad policy, no ice cream for you! But being bad doesn't stop it from being. There are a lot of bad policies in effect out there. This shouldn't be news to anyone with more than just a couple brain cells.
If you think someone can buy a cd at a store and then play it whenever they want on a radio station, you're very wrong. Any time a radio station plays a cd, they have to play royalties...unless, of course, they are not a commercial radio station. But if I need to give every damn stipulation to every damn example, that's going to take a while.
The point is that purchasing the cd does not mean you can do whatever you want with it - just like purchasing the software doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. You merely purchase the right to do with it what the ip owner intends to be done with it. Its not terribly complicated.
Is that good? Bad? I'm not commenting on that. I'm merely commenting on what is.
There is far, *far* more to the property laws than just "copyright."
No, the license agreement prevents you from looking at the inner workings. You own the right to use something the way the author intended it to be used. Nothing more. Well that, and a box.
The EXACT same damn thing as a radio station owner buying a cd at a store, and then feeling like they can play it whenever they want on their station. They don't have license to do that. Gosh, its almost as if I already gave that example...
If you'd like a starter course on property law, someone else will have to give it to you.
Me, I truly believe information should be free, and only personal information (like, your bank account #'s, passcodes, etc) has any business being private. I'm a big supporter of all our little neo-communist mechanisms in the OSS movement. But really...don't get ownership of a car confused with ownership of software.
If you leave it as civil, then you MIGHT get something out of it from someone in a foreign country. At the very least, you can get it through obscure relations (through related subsidiary under the same parent company, that does business in the US...as an example).
Move it to criminal, and all you'll do is fill up the jails with people who are of no harm to society - since the only folks you'll get are local ones, and the real crap is happening in China and its neighbors.
ok, you've got a problem already. First - you had a job already in the field you're wanting to get a graduate degree in...but you found that job to be "boring."
Second problem: how wise was it to quit your job "a few months ago," when you're not even sure that you want to do this? What was it about applying for graduate school that required you to quit work, and sit around home all day playing on the computer (or however you've been spending your time)? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, part of your indecisiveness might have something to do with the fact that you're now not having to deal with that "boring" job?
Perhaps you should consider re-evaluating yourself, and realize that further cementing your life into computer software engineering just isn't what you enjoy. So...go find whatever that thing is, and do it. That's my advice - harsh, but hey.
Its not that I blame you, either - I'm only doing it until my wife gets done with school, myself...then I'm going to put IT behind me and be a teacher. It takes a person that is twisted in a special way to enjoy the drudgery of this field.
I guess my main issue at that point would be the same you had alluded to before; it can't be taken as true necessarily, and it is often false. As such, I am better off just starting with the real research itself, and skipping the wikipedia step all together.
bravo. Too bad you don't have +4 insightful. You've answered why I will never go to that site for anything other than a laugh.
Wanna take a guess at what percentage of home desktops are windows boxes?
I'll give you a clue: it beats 80% by double digits. Anyone else who needs to efile that doesn't have a computer, can do it at a library or one of the booths IRS will be setting up. They can get their 80% without ever worrying about anyone who uses a non-MS OS.
My point is people can whine about windows all they want and say Linux is staying efficient, but...its not. Its not as bad as windows has been in its best moments, but its definately taking on a lot of bloat regardless.
really? I used to have no problem creating a kernel smaller than 512k to boot from. Now I can't get the damn thing under a meg and have it support the same stuff it did before.
Christ on Crutches? I have a good friend that says "Christ on a Crutch!" I don't know if she made that up, or got it from somewhere....where'd you get it?
Like an LCD, an FED is made up of layers. A layer of glass is coated with a cathode and a layer of diamond dust coated with lithium or carbon nanotubes. The negatively charged cathode, organized in a grid, then emits electrons through the diamonds or nanotubes, which focus that energy like a tiny lightening rod.
But then, like a CRT, the electrons shoot through a vacuum at a layer of phosphorescent glass covered with pixels. The big difference is that the source of electrons, the carbon, is located only 1 millimeter to 2 millimeters rather than nearly 2 feet from the target glass, and instead of one electron source--the electron gun--there are thousands. The electrons are attracted to the pixilated glass because this layer contains a positively charged anode.
"This generates light the same way a CRT tube does," said Pitstick, leading to similar picture quality. At the same time, a FED is only slightly thicker than an LCD panel.
That, sir, is what a psychologist would call "projection." There are quite a lot of us that download debian or gentoo releases via bittorrent. Downloading movies is a much more resent phenominon.
Plugging damn camera into your system shouldn't cause it to lock the ENTIRE system. if the camera has a problem, it should simply not work. It most certainly *is* a major knock on microsoftie's product when plugging a camera in causes the entire system to be rendered useless.
The normal user also doesn't have thousands of pdf's sitting around in his documents folder...