I refer you all to a buried post I already made on this matter regarding why this is working this way. Don't feel like retyping it. To say this is about oppression is rediculous. If you are too poor to buy stock, then what does it matter anyway? If you have money to buy stock, buy something less risky first. Come on people, grow up. This is no more about oppression than seat-belt laws are. Its about a government that wants to be too involved, one that doesn't trust who it "represents." If it really pisses you off, vote libertarian.
don't get a web cam. last thing I wanna see is you 3 runnin around in your underwear no offense, just my personal opinion:)
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this article is a good example of why I do not call behavioral guessers "scientists." I did not see a certain possibility mentioned, and I doubt highly that the "scientists" considered it at all. The reason I doubt this is because I have examined many behavioral guessing studies and have never seen this angle considered... What I am refering to is this: will the people of the/. community conceed to me that it is possible that the penguins who nested near the trail perhaps were less nervous -in general- than the ones in remote areas? First, the ones in remote areas already show themselves to be less social by simple fact that they are in a remote area vrs closer to the rest of the penguins. Second, the trail presumably has been there for a while (at least a few years), but I would venture to say that penguins probably make a new nest each year. Point being, the penguins who were less nervous around people still showed signs of stress, just less of it. Never the less, they made their nests close to and withing the main group (to which the trail leads) because they were more social penguins than the others. This, and this alone, explains why they are less nervous. If no man had ever been there, I assert one could still find the same results by comparing penguins in the more remote areas to the ones who are closer together. Now, granted-if someone wanted to have a penguin as a pet, it would make sense to have a more social penguin. This is how domestication takes place, after all. You take the group that is the most docile, most social, or whatever quality you want. You breed those. From the new batch, you take the most of that group, and breed those. So on and so forth. This study proved nothing more than something that should be common sense: within a society (be it penguins, humans, dogs, whatever) there are some members that are more social than other members. The more social members tend to group together, by nature of their being more social. The less social tend to be more isolationistic (if thats not a word, it should be). The trail, according to the article, goes into the heart of the penguin colony-therefore where the most social penguins are. I think I've made my point in as many ways as possible now... oh, BTW, someone mentioned that the article said the less frightened penguins still did 40 head-turns a minute, vrs the 200 from the others. the article never says it is 40 a minute. It didn't specify the time span at all, actually. It says that "after 15 minutes of exposure" it was 40 vrs 200. They might have meant "DURING 15 mintes of exposure.." because to say "after" means it came "after" (duh) the 15 mintes. So, it is possible that the 40 head turns were within 15 minutes, otherwise the time is unspecified. Makes more sense. The nervous ones did it 200 times-can you imagine how fast -that- would be, if it was in 1 minute?
ok, so linux doesn't have support for it for the nic you mentioned... they should. I agree with the earlier post which questioned how realistic this was. A real world, real situation test needs to happen. One where issues about realistic situations are dealt with. I know what I experience. When ISP's switch to NT from linux, latency becomes a major problem. I've seen it several times. Not only that, but I say lets make it truely fair. get a team from microsoft and a team of linux techs together. Give them $5k to buy equiptment, and to pay full retail for software (i.e., microsoft not giving itself a price-break). Then see who wins. Linux is more stable, and can be more easily administered remotely. There is less of a constant maintanence cost. and exactly how reasonable -is- 1800 hits a day? as far as "linux" pronunciation is concerned, looong ago I had a sound clip that was supposed to be of Linus Torvalds pronouncing "linux." he isn't american, so don't say it the way an american would. its pronounced Lee-nux : )
Exactly. No-one is in danger of their house burning down, or the bridge under them collapsing, or any other life-threatening calamity if I write some code. Electricians, engineers, carpenters, etc, can put you in danger if they do a poor job... Not only that, but this is happening strange anyway. Almost -always- an industry making its workers be certified is a result of the Unions of those workers making it so. I.E., they protect themselves by making it harder for new blood (and thus competition) to get in. I highly doubt a "programmer's union" is the driving forse behind this, though. Also, like you hinted at, who exactly is going to judge if a programmer did his job wrong? its a little less obvious than when a bridge collapses...who gets to determine it wasn't user error, or a hardware problem? Can't say "well, the bridge collapsed because this person's car was not y2k compatable, and he was driving incorrectly." If the bridge collapses, its generally the bridge's (and thus those who built the bridge) fault
I think we're all missing an important point. Exactly how much did they pay for the microsoft software, and how much did they pay for the people who "tuned" it? Combine those two figures, and offer to pay someone %20 of that to "tune" the linux system (not %20 per hour, %20 per job. should be quicker on the linux system, plus you have the extra buffer of the M$ software cost). -Then- see what kind of results you get. They weren't comparing NT to Linux, they were comparing how well an NT person could set up Linux to how well he could set up NT. They could have found someone to do the job he/she/they did for $6 an hour...I mean geeze, red hat installs itself, people. Don't need brains or ability for that. They were expecting free tech support for Linux, but they willing to pay for M$ support. True, we may have free software, but we do have bills...our -time- isn't free. Setting up a linux system is by far cheaper than setting up an NT system. Not only that, but we all know Linux runs faster, and is far more stable. Linux also keeps people from having to take their system down, so it is invaluable for people who -cannot- have down-time.
I had an old mac that was the same way, I'm fairly sure. optical, reflective pad. Been a long time, but I know for sure at least that the darn thing didn't have a ball
WHAT? help popularize it?...whatever. So he came up with the term "information superhighway." big deal, I've never used it. And come on...open source? Its HTML. It -has- to be "open source." The guy is a flake-he's been predicting that the end of the world would be "within 5 years" for 25 years now as a result of the evil american technology demon. He's just trying to change his image, and not because he cares about -you-. The only reason he said things like "snail mail" and "open source" was because he was trying to get a certain group of people to identify with him and vote for him. I would rather do without Gore's "help" with "open source," thank you. Don't buy something just because its being sold...
exactly. Just read it myself, thought it was pretty funny. Just sent it to my GF, and I'm sure she'll freak out about it because she doesn't know anything about computers... Seriously folks, this is obviously a joke. think about it: if you wanted to come up with something like that, would you use a dell computer? For that matter, would you use a intel-driven, or any other RISC driven, computer? And if he already had "remnants of an old biofeedback machine discarded by a local drug store" on a $0 budjet reading grandma's mind, adding a few more features on an infinate budjet wouldn't be that hard Duh
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I refer you all to a buried post I already made on this matter regarding why this is working this way. Don't feel like retyping it. To say this is about oppression is rediculous. If you are too poor to buy stock, then what does it matter anyway? If you have money to buy stock, buy something less risky first.
Come on people, grow up. This is no more about oppression than seat-belt laws are. Its about a government that wants to be too involved, one that doesn't trust who it "represents."
If it really pisses you off, vote libertarian.
because it hadn't been mod'ed yet, silly
people like you are the reason thresholds are so important...
don't get a web cam. last thing I wanna see is you 3 runnin around in your underwear no offense, just my personal opinion :)
this article is a good example of why I do not call behavioral guessers "scientists." I did not see a certain possibility mentioned, and I doubt highly that the "scientists" considered it at all. The reason I doubt this is because I have examined many behavioral guessing studies and have never seen this angle considered... What I am refering to is this: will the people of the /. community conceed to me that it is possible that the penguins who nested near the trail perhaps were less nervous -in general- than the ones in remote areas? First, the ones in remote areas already show themselves to be less social by simple fact that they are in a remote area vrs closer to the rest of the penguins. Second, the trail presumably has been there for a while (at least a few years), but I would venture to say that penguins probably make a new nest each year. Point being, the penguins who were less nervous around people still showed signs of stress, just less of it. Never the less, they made their nests close to and withing the main group (to which the trail leads) because they were more social penguins than the others. This, and this alone, explains why they are less nervous. If no man had ever been there, I assert one could still find the same results by comparing penguins in the more remote areas to the ones who are closer together. Now, granted-if someone wanted to have a penguin as a pet, it would make sense to have a more social penguin. This is how domestication takes place, after all. You take the group that is the most docile, most social, or whatever quality you want. You breed those. From the new batch, you take the most of that group, and breed those. So on and so forth. This study proved nothing more than something that should be common sense: within a society (be it penguins, humans, dogs, whatever) there are some members that are more social than other members. The more social members tend to group together, by nature of their being more social. The less social tend to be more isolationistic (if thats not a word, it should be). The trail, according to the article, goes into the heart of the penguin colony-therefore where the most social penguins are. I think I've made my point in as many ways as possible now... oh, BTW, someone mentioned that the article said the less frightened penguins still did 40 head-turns a minute, vrs the 200 from the others. the article never says it is 40 a minute. It didn't specify the time span at all, actually. It says that "after 15 minutes of exposure" it was 40 vrs 200. They might have meant "DURING 15 mintes of exposure.." because to say "after" means it came "after" (duh) the 15 mintes. So, it is possible that the 40 head turns were within 15 minutes, otherwise the time is unspecified. Makes more sense. The nervous ones did it 200 times-can you imagine how fast -that- would be, if it was in 1 minute?
ok, so linux doesn't have support for it for the nic you mentioned... they should. I agree with the earlier post which questioned how realistic this was. A real world, real situation test needs to happen. One where issues about realistic situations are dealt with. I know what I experience. When ISP's switch to NT from linux, latency becomes a major problem. I've seen it several times. Not only that, but I say lets make it truely fair. get a team from microsoft and a team of linux techs together. Give them $5k to buy equiptment, and to pay full retail for software (i.e., microsoft not giving itself a price-break). Then see who wins. Linux is more stable, and can be more easily administered remotely. There is less of a constant maintanence cost. and exactly how reasonable -is- 1800 hits a day? as far as "linux" pronunciation is concerned, looong ago I had a sound clip that was supposed to be of Linus Torvalds pronouncing "linux." he isn't american, so don't say it the way an american would. its pronounced Lee-nux : )
hmmm... haven't done much in the real business world, eh? word of mouth doesn't get squat with big corporations
Exactly. No-one is in danger of their house burning down, or the bridge under them collapsing, or any other life-threatening calamity if I write some code. Electricians, engineers, carpenters, etc, can put you in danger if they do a poor job... Not only that, but this is happening strange anyway. Almost -always- an industry making its workers be certified is a result of the Unions of those workers making it so. I.E., they protect themselves by making it harder for new blood (and thus competition) to get in. I highly doubt a "programmer's union" is the driving forse behind this, though. Also, like you hinted at, who exactly is going to judge if a programmer did his job wrong? its a little less obvious than when a bridge collapses...who gets to determine it wasn't user error, or a hardware problem? Can't say "well, the bridge collapsed because this person's car was not y2k compatable, and he was driving incorrectly." If the bridge collapses, its generally the bridge's (and thus those who built the bridge) fault
I think we're all missing an important point. Exactly how much did they pay for the microsoft software, and how much did they pay for the people who "tuned" it? Combine those two figures, and offer to pay someone %20 of that to "tune" the linux system (not %20 per hour, %20 per job. should be quicker on the linux system, plus you have the extra buffer of the M$ software cost). -Then- see what kind of results you get. They weren't comparing NT to Linux, they were comparing how well an NT person could set up Linux to how well he could set up NT. They could have found someone to do the job he/she/they did for $6 an hour...I mean geeze, red hat installs itself, people. Don't need brains or ability for that. They were expecting free tech support for Linux, but they willing to pay for M$ support. True, we may have free software, but we do have bills...our -time- isn't free. Setting up a linux system is by far cheaper than setting up an NT system. Not only that, but we all know Linux runs faster, and is far more stable. Linux also keeps people from having to take their system down, so it is invaluable for people who -cannot- have down-time.
I had an old mac that was the same way, I'm fairly sure. optical, reflective pad. Been a long time, but I know for sure at least that the darn thing didn't have a ball
WHAT? help popularize it?...whatever. So he came up with the term "information superhighway." big deal, I've never used it. And come on...open source? Its HTML. It -has- to be "open source." The guy is a flake-he's been predicting that the end of the world would be "within 5 years" for 25 years now as a result of the evil american technology demon. He's just trying to change his image, and not because he cares about -you-. The only reason he said things like "snail mail" and "open source" was because he was trying to get a certain group of people to identify with him and vote for him. I would rather do without Gore's "help" with "open source," thank you. Don't buy something just because its being sold...
exactly. Just read it myself, thought it was pretty funny. Just sent it to my GF, and I'm sure she'll freak out about it because she doesn't know anything about computers... Seriously folks, this is obviously a joke. think about it: if you wanted to come up with something like that, would you use a dell computer? For that matter, would you use a intel-driven, or any other RISC driven, computer? And if he already had "remnants of an old biofeedback machine discarded by a local drug store" on a $0 budjet reading grandma's mind, adding a few more features on an infinate budjet wouldn't be that hard Duh