It took a bit of reading to find anywhere to send money to, but I finally found this:
Donations can be sent to: Phillip Island Penguin Parade, ATT: Penguin Hospital Support Fund P.O. Box 97 Cowes Phillip Island. Victoria. 3922. AUSTRALIA.
The didn't have anyway that I found, in the amount of time I had, to give money online or anything. Darn it those things are cute. Easy to want to help.
I moderate a couple of onelist.com lists, and was looking at the list of pending members. Those submited after dec 31 are listed as year "100," instead of year "00" or year "2000." That is to say, one person had been waiting since "12/26/99," and the next had been waiting since "1/3/100."
Something else. I do not think we are out of the woods. I've always thought the whole thing was overhyped, but I guarantee that problems are going to start popping up. Your medical records at your doctor's office, etc etc. There have already been billing problems. It's not over yet.
I think cities need to stop worrying so much about appealing technologically to geeks. There are other things they could appeal to. For example, geeks seem to be somewhat simular politically. Geeks quite often enjoy the same types of recreation. The list goes on. Sure, a city that took the time to install enough cable so that every city block had their own OC12 or something, that would be nice, but if there's nothing to do after the long days at work then you won't get me there. Most geeks I've seen are very generous with their time, talents, and money, they just want recognition and appreciation.
Another thing to try is getting somewhat caught up with the cities in Europe that are way more advanced than cities here are. Network infastructure seems to be what will make or break cities just a few years from now.
In the end, the types of companies found there is one of the big ones for me. Pay rate is mildly important, but not so much for the money as for the status of feeling important or whatever. If you have cool sunsets, plenty of high-speed net options, and a medival times resturaunt then I'm all there. It doesn't hurt that San Diego (where I live) was ranked the #1 fittest city in the nation...and that half of those fit people are girls...and that the temperature is great for seeing just how fit they are year-round...
How, exactly, could "hate crime" legistlation possibly affect these crimes?
It couldn't. When people do things like this, they aren't thinking about consequences. Those who are able to commit crimes of this nature aren't removed from society as a -punishment-, per se, they are mostly removed so that that society is safe from them. All persons who commit crimes like this, no matter the motivation, should be removed from society.
The very term "hate crimes" should set off some sort of logic circut in everyone's head. How often do people kill someone because they love them? How often is it that a sane, well-adjusted individual beats up someone else and hangs him with barbed wire because he thought the person was just a swell guy? Race, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation, and yes, even job of the victim should be ignored when in the penalty phase. Sure, maybe it shows motivation or something. But if one person is messed up enough to hang a white hetro male with barbed wire, another who hangs a black gay male from barbed wire should get the same treatment. ALL crimes like that are "hate crimes."
I pronounce Linux the way Linux does... Lee-nooks but that's just me. And its nausiating that so many people want to say an exclamation point is a "bang." did you all work at dell or something? I know that's what they train people to call it, for whatever reason. Its a freakin exclamation point, people.
The Court's findings do acknowledge that Microsoft's actions accelerated the development of the Internet, reduced the cost to consumers and improved the quality of web-browsing software. Microsoft competes vigorously, and fairly.
I only read the first 30 pages or so, but I feel qualified in saying that bill's statement was a wretched lie. The judge most certainly did NOT say microsoft competed fairly. He also didn't say m$ accelerated growth, but pointed out instead that it probably had hindered it. Did the last 173 pages change the tone? did it get that much different?
Not true. If you have an office full of people using a spreadsheet, word processor, or database on linux desktops, why would they need to have M$ office? As long as everyone is using the same thing its ok. But the net is supposed to be built on common standards. The net is external, office products are internal. Maybe all documents should be made in HTML 4.0 (keeping to the standard). Anyone could see that.
This article personally motivated the hell out of me. Sign me up, I'll do what I can.
I was going to ask that. Perhaps someone should start a legal defense fund for open-source programmers.
That's easy for me to say, I suppose, since all my money is accounted for till mid january. But I know plenty of techie-types that blow their money, simply because they don't care. So, instead, maybe a fund should be set up. Any legally-inclined folks out there?
nope. I believe the statute of limitations passed long ago;) Besides, it wasn't a threat, it wasn't a conspiracy. I was simply relaying what I did when confronting bullies many years ago. It was in self defense. I've only started 2 fights in my life. so there!:P hehehe
You shrug off the unjust imprisonment of this child as a "mistake" - how would you feel if this was done to you?
First, I didn't shrug it off. I accepted it as reality. It is reality because it is the past. All I can change is the future, which is something I do try to do. How would I feel if it happened to me? Well, since I'm not going to be ing 7th grade again, and I wouldn't write that in the first place...hehe..the world will never know...
The fact of the matter here is that there was not probable cause to arrest this child; it was done out of simple political expediency
Must be nice to be able to get into people's heads like that...you know these things for a "fact?" There is no possibility that the principal was genuinely concerned?
At this point, you may object "But I said not to treat him like a criminal!" Yet in the very next sentence you expressed agreement that he should have been removed from society - is that not treating him like a criminal? If we rename the County Jail to the County Happy Camp does it change the reality of the experience for those sent there? A rose by any other name is just as sweet.
awww...ya stole my fire. Darn;) Actually, my intent was to express that I thought the whole situation was dealt with badly. The "society" he should have been removed from was the classroom. He should have been moved to a councellor's office, who should have then proceeded to figure out what was wrong with the little tyke. And yes, I assert that something is, in fact, wrong with him.
Although I am doing a horrible job of expressing myself, let me try to make it less specific and maybe my point will come across. We all experience different things. Sometimes, people experience things they, for whatever reason, don't have the ability to handle. They thus develop a psychosis of some sort. At that point, someone needs to help that person deal with whatever the problem is, so that it can come to a resolution in that person's mind. If you remember, I said "I must be weird" when I said I never thought about killing someone. My point was (trying to be) that his view of the world, as filtered through his personal experiences, is different than mine. He should therefore not have been insistent that "everyone" has thought of killing.
I guess the only thing I learned in school was to try to keep from using absolute words in an arguement, like: everyone, always, never, etc...I now spend all my time trying to point out that those words shouldn't be used. Guess I would have been better served learning how to spell, or some such thing;)
My real point is that it's easy to just dismiss any problems with the system as being a necessary evil rather than try to fix them if you've never been a victim of those problems.
and now you assume I am not doing my part in the futile goal to perfect humanity. I may not be doing my part, but I try. I talk to people, attempt to make them think. I get enlightened, and then share my wisdom. I ask questions. I even do more basic things; service-to-humanity type things. I'd love for the justice system to be perfect, believe me. I've wrongly suffered myself at the hands of our justice system, though thankfully for very minor stuff. Anything I can do to the end of perfecting society, I will do and in fact I/we are doing right now(IMO). We are discussing the issue. We are keeping ourselves aware of it. We are expressing our opinions, ideas, etc. Maybe the best we can hope for is to stay the same, who knows. But if that is the case, it is my opinion that it still needs to be discussed to stay the same, otherwise we'll start taking it for granted and it will get worse.
my brain is tired...long day at work. better sign off; methinks my ability to effectively converse is getting worse:)
You make me laugh. As soon as you're tossed in jail for 20 years or more for a crime you didn't commit, then you can talk about how it's a necessary thing because we don't live in a perfect world. Until then, your opinion carries very little weight.
well, I guess that means 99.99% of us should just shut up then? My opinion "carries very little weight"...compared to who's? Yours? I will readily admit that externalizing the issue would be much harder if I were the one in jail for something I didn't do. It would be hard for me to see the 'big picture.' But I'm not in jail, I'm at work typing a response to a response to a..., just like you are. Telling me I have no place in talking, when I have just as much a place as you, is a little silly.
I said before: Don't fall into the delusion that just because something is true for you, it is true for everyone.
then you replied:
I'd like to ask you to take your own advice as well. You are probably no more representative of the people here than I am, or anyone else is. We've all had our own experiences and while some of us may have a lot in common, we're all different.
I think you need to re-read the thread. I never tried to set any standards. There were others claiming that everyone has wanted to kill someone. I was addressing those claims. I never made claims of my own(other than saying that we needed to be different), I just refuted the claims made by others. Why tell me "we're all different" when I made the point very clearly on my own? Now, if you want to take issue with my assertion that there is a need for differences, then do that. That would logically follow, if you feel I need to "take [my] own advice," as my advice was on a person who was projecting his own psychoses as being not only the standard, but an absolute(the word "everyone" is rather absolute, don't you think?).
hehe...well, I didn't actually slam his spelling, I slammed the whole thing in general. And any teacher that gave me a 100% on some of my writing should be put in jail too;)
First, let me say I agree that Texas sucks, just ran screaming from there about 2 months ago after living in and around Austin for most my life. But I have a problem with the "100 years" thing. Which state would be average, would you say? And since (according to the The International Data Base) there is a little over 6 billion people on this planet, and almost 2.2 billion of them are in china and india, are they the standard? Are we a hundred years behind china, where just 10 years ago "The Red Cross estimated 7,500 died and another 60,000 were wounded" at Tiananmen Square? Which particular countries are the standard, as far as being "worthwhile"? Who is the US 100 years behind?
It is easy to complain. But realize that you are complaining in complacency. In some countries people are still killed, just for complaining. I know you've heard that before, and you probably think its droll, but its still true. Open your mind.
Its kinda odd that it is so popular in the US to be so anti-US. Oh well.
Whether thought should be policed is one matter(it probably shouldn't be), but that is not what we are really discussing here. What we are discussing is what he wrote, which is a totally different matter. We are discussing whether or not school staff should accept this garbage as an "essay." An idle, short, quick "thought" is one thing. To spend the time to write the thought down is another. It begins a pattern of follow-through. No longer is he just thinking it, he's actually writing about it. He has progressed to the point of thinking it is ok to submit the crap for an assignment. I would not, for example, ever let Steven King babysit for me.
Also, it is aburd for you to say "Can you say that....[you] will never, ever even THINK about killing another person[?]" First, I can SAY anything (whether it is true is another matter). Second, I don't know what the future holds; I can only guess as to what my own reactions will be.
Yes, to treat this person as a criminal would have been wrong. That is not what I got from the story, however. What I got was that the individual was seen as a danger to society, and was therefore removed from society. He should have subsequently received a lot of counselling as well. He wasn't removed for doing something wrong, he was removed because it appeared he was a danger to himself and to others. It is not only within the rights of school administrators to do what they can to protect the children under their care, it is their responsibility.
Sure, in the "perfect world" we could assume he was just being artistic (though in that world, the "art" would not be understood by himself or anyone else, as those tendencies would be gone). In the "perfect world" we could let anyone do anything, we could trust everyone, there would be no need for money, communism would be the way of society, yada yada yada. But we're not in a perfect world. In the world we are in, utilitarianism is the most logical choice. The best way to service that end is through a capitalistic republic; one that occasionally infringes on personal liberties, but hopefully the victims of said infringement are in need of it more often than not. It may seem abhorable, but that's just the way it is. It is a reflection of the fact that this isn't a "perfect world." Should we close down all the jails just because there is a small percentage of the incarcerated that are not guilty of the crime for which they were commited?
Your post amuses me. I know that there is a need for the paranoid, the consiracy-theorists, because without you the sane would fall completely into complacency. You keep us aware that we don't live in a perfect world. You keep us aware that people can make mistakes.
And yes, I can say that I would not have shot the bully. I would have either beat him up or, barring the ability to do that, would have thought of some ingenious way to get revenge in a slow, coniving way (and never gone through with it). There is no way in the world I would have shot a bully however, and never did I ever fantasize about shooting anyone at all. I guess that makes me weird. Only twice in all my childhood did I ever get picked on and not just beat the guy up. Those two remaining times must not have had the psychological effect on me that your encounters had on you.
Don't fall into the delusion that just because something is true for you, it is true for everyone. You are not the standard; the rest of society is not required to have the same psychoses as you. This egocentric view is something that could easily be annoying, if I was so inclined. It is something that is more prolific in this community than in most others, same as paranoia. Like I said before, they have their purposes.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The "essay" is poorly written, to an extreme degree. The scary part is that it was given a 100%. It is not suprizing though, considering how many people graduate high school and are still illiterate. The "essay" itself was rather disturbing, not the "normal teenage boy" type thing some/.'ers are trying to say it was. If I were his principal, I'd put him in jail too...along with his english teacher
I wonder why my last comment got "redundant" when I was the first to say it... not that I really care, but I think I was expressing a valid viewpoint. The show itself has become redundant, which is what I said... maybe I pissed off a x-files die-hard;)
hit is the same place? how 1 dimensional you think...
there is the entire arc the key swung through. The problem was that while one key was on its return arc, another would be on a action arc, and they'd meet in the middle.
there was no way to keep people from jamming things if they hit two keys at the same time, no matter -how- you arrange the keys.
I just recently read an article comparing dvorak to qwerty. Dispelled a lot of myths, etc. Basically, it pointed out that the 3 studies refered to the most were all extremely flawed. The first one, done by dvorak, was useless on many accounts. The second 2, done by the US Navy, were conducted with the same intelligence the military is reknown for.
Qwerty wasn't designed to slow things down, it was designed so that keys which were often hit in sequence were not next to each other. There were lots of typing contests conducted back when the market was still EXTREMELY supportive of changing the layout, and qwerty simply won normally. Why exactly is it that there is always an attraction to the obscure, especially in this community? Sometimes, things are the standard simply because they are better.
As far as the typing speed doubling or whatever, all I have to ask is have you ever heard of a placebo? Never underestimate the power of the mind.
I'll look for a link to the comparison I saw before
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It took a bit of reading to find anywhere to send money to, but I finally found this:
Donations can be sent to: Phillip Island Penguin Parade, ATT: Penguin Hospital Support Fund P.O. Box 97 Cowes Phillip Island. Victoria. 3922. AUSTRALIA.
The didn't have anyway that I found, in the amount of time I had, to give money online or anything. Darn it those things are cute. Easy to want to help.
I moderate a couple of onelist.com lists, and was looking at the list of pending members. Those submited after dec 31 are listed as year "100," instead of year "00" or year "2000." That is to say, one person had been waiting since "12/26/99," and the next had been waiting since "1/3/100."
Something else. I do not think we are out of the woods. I've always thought the whole thing was overhyped, but I guarantee that problems are going to start popping up. Your medical records at your doctor's office, etc etc. There have already been billing problems. It's not over yet.
Another thing to try is getting somewhat caught up with the cities in Europe that are way more advanced than cities here are. Network infastructure seems to be what will make or break cities just a few years from now.
In the end, the types of companies found there is one of the big ones for me. Pay rate is mildly important, but not so much for the money as for the status of feeling important or whatever. If you have cool sunsets, plenty of high-speed net options, and a medival times resturaunt then I'm all there. It doesn't hurt that San Diego (where I live) was ranked the #1 fittest city in the nation...and that half of those fit people are girls...and that the temperature is great for seeing just how fit they are year-round...
It couldn't. When people do things like this, they aren't thinking about consequences. Those who are able to commit crimes of this nature aren't removed from society as a -punishment-, per se, they are mostly removed so that that society is safe from them. All persons who commit crimes like this, no matter the motivation, should be removed from society.
The very term "hate crimes" should set off some sort of logic circut in everyone's head. How often do people kill someone because they love them? How often is it that a sane, well-adjusted individual beats up someone else and hangs him with barbed wire because he thought the person was just a swell guy? Race, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation, and yes, even job of the victim should be ignored when in the penalty phase. Sure, maybe it shows motivation or something. But if one person is messed up enough to hang a white hetro male with barbed wire, another who hangs a black gay male from barbed wire should get the same treatment. ALL crimes like that are "hate crimes."
I pronounce Linux the way Linux does... Lee-nooks but that's just me. And its nausiating that so many people want to say an exclamation point is a "bang." did you all work at dell or something? I know that's what they train people to call it, for whatever reason. Its a freakin exclamation point, people.
The Court's findings do acknowledge that Microsoft's actions accelerated the development of the Internet, reduced the cost to consumers and improved the quality of web-browsing software. Microsoft competes vigorously, and fairly.
I only read the first 30 pages or so, but I feel qualified in saying that bill's statement was a wretched lie. The judge most certainly did NOT say microsoft competed fairly. He also didn't say m$ accelerated growth, but pointed out instead that it probably had hindered it. Did the last 173 pages change the tone? did it get that much different?
This article personally motivated the hell out of me. Sign me up, I'll do what I can.
That's easy for me to say, I suppose, since all my money is accounted for till mid january. But I know plenty of techie-types that blow their money, simply because they don't care. So, instead, maybe a fund should be set up. Any legally-inclined folks out there?
nope. I believe the statute of limitations passed long ago ;) Besides, it wasn't a threat, it wasn't a conspiracy. I was simply relaying what I did when confronting bullies many years ago. It was in self defense. I've only started 2 fights in my life. so there! :P hehehe
First, I didn't shrug it off. I accepted it as reality. It is reality because it is the past. All I can change is the future, which is something I do try to do. How would I feel if it happened to me? Well, since I'm not going to be ing 7th grade again, and I wouldn't write that in the first place...hehe..the world will never know...
The fact of the matter here is that there was not probable cause to arrest this child; it was done out of simple political expediency
Must be nice to be able to get into people's heads like that...you know these things for a "fact?" There is no possibility that the principal was genuinely concerned?
At this point, you may object "But I said not to treat him like a criminal!" Yet in the very next sentence you expressed agreement that he should have been removed from society - is that not treating him like a criminal? If we rename the County Jail to the County Happy Camp does it change the reality of the experience for those sent there? A rose by any other name is just as sweet.
awww...ya stole my fire. Darn ;) Actually, my intent was to express that I thought the whole situation was dealt with badly. The "society" he should have been removed from was the classroom. He should have been moved to a councellor's office, who should have then proceeded to figure out what was wrong with the little tyke. And yes, I assert that something is, in fact, wrong with him.
Although I am doing a horrible job of expressing myself, let me try to make it less specific and maybe my point will come across. We all experience different things. Sometimes, people experience things they, for whatever reason, don't have the ability to handle. They thus develop a psychosis of some sort. At that point, someone needs to help that person deal with whatever the problem is, so that it can come to a resolution in that person's mind. If you remember, I said "I must be weird" when I said I never thought about killing someone. My point was (trying to be) that his view of the world, as filtered through his personal experiences, is different than mine. He should therefore not have been insistent that "everyone" has thought of killing.
I guess the only thing I learned in school was to try to keep from using absolute words in an arguement, like: everyone, always, never, etc...I now spend all my time trying to point out that those words shouldn't be used. Guess I would have been better served learning how to spell, or some such thing ;)
and now you assume I am not doing my part in the futile goal to perfect humanity. I may not be doing my part, but I try. I talk to people, attempt to make them think. I get enlightened, and then share my wisdom. I ask questions. I even do more basic things; service-to-humanity type things. I'd love for the justice system to be perfect, believe me. I've wrongly suffered myself at the hands of our justice system, though thankfully for very minor stuff. Anything I can do to the end of perfecting society, I will do and in fact I/we are doing right now(IMO). We are discussing the issue. We are keeping ourselves aware of it. We are expressing our opinions, ideas, etc. Maybe the best we can hope for is to stay the same, who knows. But if that is the case, it is my opinion that it still needs to be discussed to stay the same, otherwise we'll start taking it for granted and it will get worse.
my brain is tired...long day at work. better sign off; methinks my ability to effectively converse is getting worse :)
well, I guess that means 99.99% of us should just shut up then? My opinion "carries very little weight"...compared to who's? Yours? I will readily admit that externalizing the issue would be much harder if I were the one in jail for something I didn't do. It would be hard for me to see the 'big picture.' But I'm not in jail, I'm at work typing a response to a response to a ..., just like you are. Telling me I have no place in talking, when I have just as much a place as you, is a little silly.
I said before: Don't fall into the delusion that just because something is true for you, it is true for everyone.
then you replied:
I'd like to ask you to take your own advice as well. You are probably no more representative of the people here than I am, or anyone else is. We've all had our own experiences and while some of us may have a lot in common, we're all different.
I think you need to re-read the thread. I never tried to set any standards. There were others claiming that everyone has wanted to kill someone. I was addressing those claims. I never made claims of my own(other than saying that we needed to be different), I just refuted the claims made by others. Why tell me "we're all different" when I made the point very clearly on my own? Now, if you want to take issue with my assertion that there is a need for differences, then do that. That would logically follow, if you feel I need to "take [my] own advice," as my advice was on a person who was projecting his own psychoses as being not only the standard, but an absolute(the word "everyone" is rather absolute, don't you think?).
you're missing the point I'm trying to make. That he has progressed to the point of taking the time to write it out means that he has some problems.
hehe...well, I didn't actually slam his spelling, I slammed the whole thing in general. And any teacher that gave me a 100% on some of my writing should be put in jail too ;)
It is easy to complain. But realize that you are complaining in complacency. In some countries people are still killed, just for complaining. I know you've heard that before, and you probably think its droll, but its still true. Open your mind.
Its kinda odd that it is so popular in the US to be so anti-US. Oh well.
Also, it is aburd for you to say "Can you say that ....[you] will never, ever even THINK about killing another person[?]" First, I can SAY anything (whether it is true is another matter). Second, I don't know what the future holds; I can only guess as to what my own reactions will be.
Sure, in the "perfect world" we could assume he was just being artistic (though in that world, the "art" would not be understood by himself or anyone else, as those tendencies would be gone). In the "perfect world" we could let anyone do anything, we could trust everyone, there would be no need for money, communism would be the way of society, yada yada yada. But we're not in a perfect world. In the world we are in, utilitarianism is the most logical choice. The best way to service that end is through a capitalistic republic; one that occasionally infringes on personal liberties, but hopefully the victims of said infringement are in need of it more often than not. It may seem abhorable, but that's just the way it is. It is a reflection of the fact that this isn't a "perfect world." Should we close down all the jails just because there is a small percentage of the incarcerated that are not guilty of the crime for which they were commited?
Your post amuses me. I know that there is a need for the paranoid, the consiracy-theorists, because without you the sane would fall completely into complacency. You keep us aware that we don't live in a perfect world. You keep us aware that people can make mistakes.
And yes, I can say that I would not have shot the bully. I would have either beat him up or, barring the ability to do that, would have thought of some ingenious way to get revenge in a slow, coniving way (and never gone through with it). There is no way in the world I would have shot a bully however, and never did I ever fantasize about shooting anyone at all. I guess that makes me weird. Only twice in all my childhood did I ever get picked on and not just beat the guy up. Those two remaining times must not have had the psychological effect on me that your encounters had on you.
Don't fall into the delusion that just because something is true for you, it is true for everyone. You are not the standard; the rest of society is not required to have the same psychoses as you. This egocentric view is something that could easily be annoying, if I was so inclined. It is something that is more prolific in this community than in most others, same as paranoia. Like I said before, they have their purposes.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The "essay" is poorly written, to an extreme degree. The scary part is that it was given a 100%. It is not suprizing though, considering how many people graduate high school and are still illiterate. The "essay" itself was rather disturbing, not the "normal teenage boy" type thing some /.'ers are trying to say it was. If I were his principal, I'd put him in jail too...along with his english teacher
wonder when that will happen.
I wonder why my last comment got "redundant" when I was the first to say it... not that I really care, but I think I was expressing a valid viewpoint. The show itself has become redundant, which is what I said... maybe I pissed off a x-files die-hard ;)
why are we having this convo again?
there is the entire arc the key swung through. The problem was that while one key was on its return arc, another would be on a action arc, and they'd meet in the middle.
there was no way to keep people from jamming things if they hit two keys at the same time, no matter -how- you arrange the keys.
Qwerty wasn't designed to slow things down, it was designed so that keys which were often hit in sequence were not next to each other. There were lots of typing contests conducted back when the market was still EXTREMELY supportive of changing the layout, and qwerty simply won normally. Why exactly is it that there is always an attraction to the obscure, especially in this community? Sometimes, things are the standard simply because they are better.
As far as the typing speed doubling or whatever, all I have to ask is have you ever heard of a placebo? Never underestimate the power of the mind.
I'll look for a link to the comparison I saw before
the show has gotten to repetative I can understand why they'd want to leave
Puleeeeze... none of the mips are in either place. california is it for sure