Windows included IE. People were free to download and install Netscape Navigator. As time went on, fewer and fewer people used Navigator. People will use what is there UNTIL there is a VERY COMPELLING reason to upgrade and maybe not even then.
I heard this same story as well. It was an aircraft carrier and it was an electrician that was following a circuit through ship that found it. It went into a wall and came out much further down than expected. He showed the forman the plans and where the circuit was. They opened the wall and found the machine shop. This might have been on the Saratoga when it was getting renovated in Philladelphia shipyard in the early 80's.
Had they dropped lines and started fishing, then they would've been in big trouble. Remember when some Portuguese started fishing in Canada's fishing grounds?
I just got an image in my head of a bunch of Apple stormtroopers, looking much like the Star Wars versions, except with different colored, large, shiny apple logos on their chest, marching in and siezing hardware
Shouldn't the stormtroopers' whole body armor be in the iMac colors? Ruby, Indigo, Snow, Sage, Graphite, Tangarine, etc.
Believe it or not, MS makes some good products. They're just on the Mac!:)
I call BS on that one. Office 2001:mac is a GREAT product. It is more Mac-like than any product they've made for a color Mac in the past. The last great version of Word for the Mac was Word 4.0. Also, IE 5 for the Mac (classic not OS X) is a very good product. A lot of people seem to have problems with it, but I do not. I just wish that MS would sync some of the cool features of the IE 5 (Mac) and IE 5.x (Windows).
A lot of Russian troops were pressed into service against the US and British forces on the Western front. They were in a tough place. If they tried to desert or didn't fight, they were shot by their German commanders. If they charged into battle with their inadequate weapons, they were shot by the Allies. If you haven't read 'Citizen Soldiers' by Stephen Ambrose, you should.
I watch a lot of programs on the History Channel. One of the most interesting ones I've seen is the history of sniping. They even touch on this story as well, though I could've sworn it was in Berlin in the closing weeks of the war. It was a huge propaganda thing. Germany's ace vs. the Russian Ace. I believe the German lost.
Another movie to watch is the Tom Berringer/Billy Zane flick 'Sniper.' Though thin on plot and substance, it is an interesting movie nonetheless.
Did you know that the US didn't have a permanent sniper school until AFTER Vietnam?
Give me a break. MS owns ~$300,000,000 worth of Apple right now which is not a very significant portion. Add on to it the facts that 1) it's non-voting shares and 2) they can't sell it until 2002.
I agree with you. People aren't learning how to use computers at all. They are learning how to perform tasks for their jobs without any understanding of the big picture. They are, in essence, thinking inside the box. A lot of my co-workers are this way. Right now we are taking a Windows 2000 class and 80% of my co-workers are lost. They think that most of the material is out of their scope. They spend their whole day putting out fires rather than finding ways to prevent the fires.
The trainer asked us if our network was designed for usability or job security. The problem is that our network is huge and mangled and best described as chaos. To implement Win2K we need to plan. There's none of that going on. The relationship between Server and PC Support is that of Officer vs. Enlisted man. There is no communication. I could go on for HOURS.
The basic point I was trying to make is that nobody thinks of the end user. A lot of technology is implemented just because it can be. There is no reason a Network Computer wouldn't be more than enough for a lot of the people at the bank. REALLY.
More like IS departments know Windows now. From my perspective (large bank in Boston with 3000+ users) nobody knows anything. These people remember mouse clicks. If you move an icon from the left side of the screen to the right, they call the help desk.
People around here seem to forget that to a whole bunch of the population computers are just glorified type writers. Try explaining to people outside the IT department how Active Directory is going to make their life easier, and they will say, so fucking what.
It seems to me that Linux developers tend to try to make everything available without moving your hands (vi or emacs).
It seems to me that vi and emacs in all of their glory predate Linux by quite a few years.
Granted, vi is daunting if you know nothing about it, but it kicks ass if you need to make small changes in a file and exit. Emacs kicks for everything else.:)
HOWEVER, I like the one button aspect of the MacOS. I did recently purchase a Logitech USB wheel mouse and can't live without it. I have it programmed as a three button mouse, mostly for use with IE. From left to right: click, command click, ctrl click. Does wonders.
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Netscape!
Windows included IE. People were free to download and install Netscape Navigator. As time went on, fewer and fewer people used Navigator. People will use what is there UNTIL there is a VERY COMPELLING reason to upgrade and maybe not even then.
It's das Wienerschnitzel--this according to my German girlfriend.
There's also das Jaegerschnitzel--schnitzel with mushrooms.
Mike
I heard this same story as well. It was an aircraft carrier and it was an electrician that was following a circuit through ship that found it. It went into a wall and came out much further down than expected. He showed the forman the plans and where the circuit was. They opened the wall and found the machine shop. This might have been on the Saratoga when it was getting renovated in Philladelphia shipyard in the early 80's.
--Mike
The P-3 Orion is a sub hunter. The KC130 is a tanker.
Had they dropped lines and started fishing, then they would've been in big trouble. Remember when some Portuguese started fishing in Canada's fishing grounds?
--Mike
Shouldn't the stormtroopers' whole body armor be in the iMac colors? Ruby, Indigo, Snow, Sage, Graphite, Tangarine, etc.
Mike
I call BS on that one. Office 2001:mac is a GREAT product. It is more Mac-like than any product they've made for a color Mac in the past. The last great version of Word for the Mac was Word 4.0. Also, IE 5 for the Mac (classic not OS X) is a very good product. A lot of people seem to have problems with it, but I do not. I just wish that MS would sync some of the cool features of the IE 5 (Mac) and IE 5.x (Windows).
Mike
All your hypercards are belong to us?
--Michael
A lot of Russian troops were pressed into service against the US and British forces on the Western front. They were in a tough place. If they tried to desert or didn't fight, they were shot by their German commanders. If they charged into battle with their inadequate weapons, they were shot by the Allies. If you haven't read 'Citizen Soldiers' by Stephen Ambrose, you should.
I watch a lot of programs on the History Channel. One of the most interesting ones I've seen is the history of sniping. They even touch on this story as well, though I could've sworn it was in Berlin in the closing weeks of the war. It was a huge propaganda thing. Germany's ace vs. the Russian Ace. I believe the German lost.
Another movie to watch is the Tom Berringer/Billy Zane flick 'Sniper.' Though thin on plot and substance, it is an interesting movie nonetheless.
Did you know that the US didn't have a permanent sniper school until AFTER Vietnam?
Give me a break. MS owns ~$300,000,000 worth of Apple right now which is not a very significant portion. Add on to it the facts that 1) it's non-voting shares and 2) they can't sell it until 2002.
How much does Apple have in cash alone?
Is it me or does Microsoft seem a lot like either:
1) The Alien
2) The alien from Species
MSLinux? I doubt it. They have their own OS with BILLIONS of dollars invested. It just don't work that way.
Unless, of course, they bring it out just to test the GPL in the courts.
Does O'Reilly have a FreeBSD book? If they don't, shouldn't they? (Just checked the web site, no book is exclusively FreeBSD)
FreeBSD in a Nutshell?
FreeBSD: The Definitive Guide?
Running FreeBSD?
Where are these titles. I bet more people would monkey around with it if these titles existed.
O'Reilly Rules!
--Mike
I agree with you. People aren't learning how to use computers at all. They are learning how to perform tasks for their jobs without any understanding of the big picture. They are, in essence, thinking inside the box. A lot of my co-workers are this way. Right now we are taking a Windows 2000 class and 80% of my co-workers are lost. They think that most of the material is out of their scope. They spend their whole day putting out fires rather than finding ways to prevent the fires.
The trainer asked us if our network was designed for usability or job security. The problem is that our network is huge and mangled and best described as chaos. To implement Win2K we need to plan. There's none of that going on. The relationship between Server and PC Support is that of Officer vs. Enlisted man. There is no communication. I could go on for HOURS.
The basic point I was trying to make is that nobody thinks of the end user. A lot of technology is implemented just because it can be. There is no reason a Network Computer wouldn't be more than enough for a lot of the people at the bank. REALLY.
--Mike
More like IS departments know Windows now. From my perspective (large bank in Boston with 3000+ users) nobody knows anything. These people remember mouse clicks. If you move an icon from the left side of the screen to the right, they call the help desk.
People around here seem to forget that to a whole bunch of the population computers are just glorified type writers. Try explaining to people outside the IT department how Active Directory is going to make their life easier, and they will say, so fucking what.
Sad but true.
--Mike
Hmmm...
Interesting logic there. I was trying to prove that MacOS X IS a proper workstation since you can ssh to it, but that would be a logical fallacy.
I'm tired and my cerebral fluid is evaporating.
If it is not (not a proper workstation) then you can't can't ssh to it...
OUCH
I thought the bus speed on the Cube was 100MHz.
It seems to me that Linux developers tend to try to make everything available without moving your hands (vi or emacs).
:)
It seems to me that vi and emacs in all of their glory predate Linux by quite a few years.
Granted, vi is daunting if you know nothing about it, but it kicks ass if you need to make small changes in a file and exit. Emacs kicks for everything else.
HOWEVER, I like the one button aspect of the MacOS. I did recently purchase a Logitech USB wheel mouse and can't live without it. I have it programmed as a three button mouse, mostly for use with IE. From left to right: click, command click, ctrl click. Does wonders.
--Mike
That thing is odd...
It kinda looks like a 'SimCity' map...