If you try to design a game/OS that supports every known keyboard, mouse, monitor, video card, sound card, joystick and fucking VR helmet known to man, you're going to have to make compromises, cut corners, generally throw the Tao of Programming out the window and kludge together what you can.
I am so sick of hearing this argument! No offense to you directly, grarg, but this argument is just pro-Windows reverse FUD from Microsoft. If making an OS compatible with the 'latest hardware' is why Windows is unstable, why are Linux/*BSD so much more stable?
What's that you say? "But Windows supports way more hardware!" First of all, Linux hardware support has caught up by leaps and bounds to Windows, and is now nearly on a par. Any exotic/strange hardware may come out on Windows first, but Linux support usually comes 1 or 2 months later.
And notice this: when Linux does support the new hardware, does it become less stable? Of course not! Linux uptimes still routinely run into the months and years with a default install. You're lucky to make it through an hour's worth of Quake3 or Descent3 without a crash on Windows.
And don't start on me with talk of Windows 2000. This is not (yet) a true gaming platform, and it won't be until it supports all the same hardware that Windows 98/ME supports. Heck, unless I miss my guess (and please correct me if I'm wrong), even Linux supports more game-specific hardware than Windows 2000 does.
The bottom line is that Windows' instability is not due to support of a myriad of hardware/apps, it's due to bad OS design. Maybe when (if?) Win2000 and WinME merge, this problem will get better, but not until then. (haven't Win95b, Win98 and Win98SE all been touted as the 'last version of DOS-based Windows'? Again, please correct my if I'm wrong. And please provide links to support your corrections)
Maybe the XBox won't crash like Windows does, but please forgive me for waiting to see how a (more-or-less) brand new Microsoft platform performs before I buy into it.
Quite so, and it was originally something that Mr. Moore (I forget his first name) said sort of in passing during an interview.
Turns out he was rather insightful (hey, too bad we didn't have Slashdot back then, his karma would have ruled!:), but my understanding is he was just making an off-the-cuff remark that has been accepted as gospel by all the 'tech pundits' out there.
"...but if they (Netscape/Mozilla.org) aren't going to do the job right, then the community needs to step up in its own defense and spawn a new project."
There is a new project that has been spawned: Konqeror. I definitely agree with your contention that there has been some complacency on the browser front. However, the KDE teams's goal is complete standards compliance, including HTML 4.0, Java, CSS, etc.
You may or may not be a KDE fan, but Konqeror looks to be a really excellent application. And being open-source, conceivably GNOME (or any other WM/DE project) could use the engine for their own browser product.
It's getting down to the wire, what with IE having such a dominant market position, but given that Mozilla, Konqeror and Opera should all come out about the same time, we may yet have a standards-compliant web.
...of course is that you can download the 2.4-test* kernels right now and see exactly what's going on. Or, subscribe to linux-kernel and get (a whole lot of) the straight dope.
With MS, it's all just bluster until we actually see something. From the looks of things, that's over a year away. By the time that thing ships, I'll have a PS2 and probably a couple of dozen games for it. I'm sure I won't need it (the XBox). By the time my PS2 becomes dated, one or two more generations of consoles will have come to pass.
The people that XBox will be good for is the people who just decided to get into gaming when it comes out, or the ultra-gearheads who have to have all the different consoles.
I'm just not going to get excited about a product that, even according to MS is at least 15 months away, especially when you consider how much longer it takes them to ship their products than they first imagine. (That's not really a slam against MS directly when you consider how much longer kernel releases, and releases of Debian take than the initial estimates from those teams. The real problem with MS is that they use those delays to try to keep people from buying other products, whereas the Debian and kernel teams are just perfectionists. They don't really give a rat's hiney what you use [more or less}).
Yeah, setting up X under Linux-Mandrake was a real pain in the ass! It actually made me choose the resolution and color depth! The HORRORS!!
Man, I don't know what planet you're from, but even Debian is pretty easy these days. All you have to do is log in as root from the console and run XF86Setup, choose your hardware and you're finished. Mandrake (and I assume Red Hat, Caldera, Corel Linux, SuSe, etc.) are a complete breeze.
My Viper V550 was properly detected without issue. Not even Windoze can do that, you have to install the drivers and then REBOOT!
If you run the VERY latest video hardware, it might be a pain, but other than that, X is actually easier to set up than (any version of) Windoze.
Yes, it does. I'm posting this from Netscape 4.73 under Mandrake 7.1.
My only question: why such a huge install? If I hadn't edited out some packages, it would have been over 1.5gb! As it is, I was only able to get it down to 1.1gb.
Granted, hard drives are huge and cheap these days, but what about my ThinkPad P133? It only has a 2.1gb hd, and I don't want it over half full with the OS.
Yes I know that you can slide that bar during install to lower the size of the install, but who knows what you're missing then? I spent about a half hour going through all the packages and deleting what I didn't want. Since it was still 1.1gb, which ones get deleted when you lower the size?
...and thank God for the DOJ and this lawsuit. If not for this lawsuit, Linux (and to a lesser extent, BeOS and *BSD) wouldn't have been accepted nearly as readily as it has been by IBM, HP, Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc. In this scenario, everyone would still be afraid of MS. Then, they'd 'merge' the code of W2K and 98/ME, and start charging everyone the current price for W2K. Instead of $89/$189, everyone would have to pay $149/$299 (or whatever...).
At this point, I think about 75% of the benefit has been felt from the case. Practically every major computer company has embraced Linux one way or another, and the whole world has had a chance to see just how MS has behaved and make up their own minds about it based on the facts, not just MS's marketing.
We truly have choice in x86 OS's for the first time since OS/2 was introduced.
The site isn't dumb, if anyone was dumb, it was me. I was the one who submitted the story. How many stories have you submitted?
first of all, Yahoo is a directory, not a search engine
Thanks for the correction.
secondly, the issue here is that one site is trying to make a profit by doing nothing but taking the information off another site and presenting it in a different form...
Umm...isn't that exactly what all the directory and search engine services do? Make a profit by taking info off of other websites and presenting it in a form usable to someone looking for something?
Feel free to respond and disagree, but I find it a bit extreme to say that a site is 'dumb' just because you don't see things exactly the same way. (It's not dumb to call a directory a search engine, it's a pretty fine line, IMO)
No matter what Lars says, or whether or not anyone agrees with him, their ploy to ban Napster users who make Metallica songs available has been pitifully ineffective. Just load up Napster and search for Metallica and you'll find there are more files than Napster can display.
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You should have done a cut-and-paste directly from it, then you would have had:
'great little one rack-space computers, however not Mac-based'.
This gives a different connotation than your post. The point is that he is a Mac-guy providing services to Mac-people. It's not that he wants to avoid PC's exactly, but rather he wants to use Macs wherever possible.
"Do you think a company...might just fudge some numbers..."
You're right, M$ probably did fudge the numbers. My post was in no way supportive of Microsoft, their products, etc. If it weren't for Descent 3 and the lack of a good media player for Linux, I wouldn't use Windoze at all. I was merely pointing out that the comment 'No one is installing...' is pitifully inaccurate.
At the risk of sounding like YASWAC (Yet Another Slashdot Whiner And Complainer), comments like that are childish and diminish the quality of Slashdot, IMO. I wish 'timothy' had chosen another poster's intro that was less biased.
Have you been able to get it to work as a plugin, or is that even possible? Many sites seem to want to have a pop-up, plugin window that won't work under Linux. At least ABCNews.com gives you the option, "Click here if your version of RealPlayer doesn't work with these clips", or somesuch...
Perhaps it's because Linux and MacOS, IMO, are more focused on being quality OS's than Windows is.
While I completely agree with you that a Mac running MacOS severely limits your options, it is an excellent product. Personal preferences aside, the MacOS is very elegant, easy to navigate and there still is nothing to touch it when it comes to desktop publishing.
Linux was obviously created with a focus on doing the 'nuts and bolts' type stuff as correctly as possible: multi-tasking, memory-protection, etc. Usability has come later, with mixed results IMO. I use and really like KDE 1.1.2, but occasionally it locks up on me. I have no troubles hitting Ctrl-Alt-F1, logging in as root and restarting X, but the casual user might find this daunting.
Windows OTOH, while being nearly as easy overall as MacOS (and, of course, by far the most widely-used OS, I hesitate to say 'most popular':) wasn't created with the focus of being excellent, but rather being good enough to maintain its monopoly and overwhelmingly dominant market share.
There's also something to be said for the 'rebel' attitude. When it looked, a couple of years ago, like Apple really might go under, some Mac-users probably looked into Linux, since they'd rather never use a computer again than use Windows.:)
I'll probably get flamed for this, which is OK. I may even get moderated down, which, in the grand scheme of my life doesn't really matter, but that would still be a shame.
Let me first say that I have been a Linux user for over 3 years. I have a Debian server, a ThinkPad running Debian and 2 desktops: one exclusively Mandrake 7.0 and the one I'm typing from which is dual-boot Mandrake 7.0/Win98SE (I've been playing Diablo).
Here's why I can expect abuse from the Slashdot community: I'm seriously thinking of purchasing Win2000 and making that my main desktop.
Why, you ask? First, let's consider the things I need in my main desktop: stability and security. We can all agree that Linux provides these. Some may disagree, but Win2000 does provide these things also. Yes, one needs to be concerned about viruses. I would probably use Netscape for my browser, and something else for my email client (Pegasus?) so that things like Melissa wouldn't affect me. I would also purchase a good anti-virus app and update it regularly. Incidentally, I've downloaded tons of stuff from the internet (nudge, wink:), and I've never gotten a virus at home. I got a couple at work in my last job, both Excel macro viruses that did little damage.
BUT!(and here's the rub)...the problem is that there are so many things that I like to use (notice I said 'like', not 'need') regularly that just plain aren't available on Linux:
1.) A good.mpg/.avi/.rm player. Sorry, xanim doesn't cut it. It won't play anything using the latest codecs, and AFAIK doesn't support full-screen mode. As much as it pains me to say it, Windows Media Player 6.4 is actually quite a good app. 2.) Reliable apps for my Palm III. Yes, I've used KPilot. I've also lost data using it. I've never lost data using the Palm software for Windows. I also can't use AvantGo, which is a really cool app. 3.) Myriad of browser tools, including (but not limited to): Java (I have to turn it off, or Netscape locks up under Linux), Flash (yes, there is a flash player for Linux, but it's not fully featured. Try looking at whatever.nike.com under Linux) and plug-ins. Mozilla should cure most or all of these issues, but it's not due out for 6 months, and we've all seen how software projects get delayed (like the Linux kernel and Debian). I'm not complaining about how long those things takes, that's just the way it goes. 4.) Games: yes, I know, more are coming out all the time for Linux, and I truly thinks that's fantastic. However, I play basically 2 games right now: Diablo and Descent 3. I have to reboot into Windows for both of these.
The crux of the whole matter, at least for me, is that my computer is a tool/toy that needs to do the things I want it to. I would love nothing (well, almost nothing:) more than to completely eliminate Windows from my life. But the (unfortunate) bottom line is that, based on all of the the things I like to do, Win2000 is probably my best option.
Comments, criticisms and moderation are all quite welcome (as if I could do anything about it anyway), but please think before you post or moderate.:)
...yet still sells stock at any price they want to name?
Amazon.com's stock price is down 43% off its 52-week high of 9DEC1999. Could this be because they're not profitable yet and people are getting tired of waiting?
Remember: perhaps on some day YOU will have a clever idea
I think the key here, Otis, is that Amazon.com very clearly didn't have a clever idea, they merely used a technique that has been used commonly by many online merchants. This should not have been allowed to be patented.
You'll notice that it's not just the Clamoring Slashdot Hordes that are speaking out against this, but also 2 (so far) very respected and oft-quoted nerd/guru/expert types. I challenge you to find someone of this stature who thinks that Amazon.com's 2 recent patents are a good idea.
I must say I agree completely. What about it, Rob? How about if you publicly state that you won't buy anything from Amazon.com and that no one else should either until they rescind the patents?
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I didn't see it anywhere yet (I searched this entire thread and all of the above links for 'bezos'). I cut and pasted the letter into an email, with a few brief comments of my own. Maybe if he gets several thousand 20K emails from people, all of whom are very net-connected, who are saying they won't shop at his store until he rescinds the 2 patents, he'll think twice. Just a suggestion....
Nice idea (and I don't mean this as a flame), but I don't think so. I think that it takes a rabidly competitive personality to build something as huge as Amazon.com as quickly as it was built. And that's the perfect personality to 'patent' something like this. They also wouldn't stand for the (potential) loss of sales for the cause of general good, in my opinion.
Then again, maybe your tongue was in your cheek a bit when you posted that. If so, then "never mind!":)
...but, just to play devil's advocate check this out (don't click if you're using a modem. It's a bug report that's almost 4MB of text). Please bear in mind that my server/gateway runs Debian and I have two clients running Mandrake 7.0 (one dual-boots Win98, can't do without Descent3:).
I'm not saying that Debian isn't more stable, more intelligently designed, etc. What I am saying is the the pure number, while quite large, doesn't seem so bad when you consider the number of bugs in Debian, something I think we all consider to be one of the most stable, well-tested OS's around.
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I am so sick of hearing this argument! No offense to you directly, grarg, but this argument is just pro-Windows reverse FUD from Microsoft. If making an OS compatible with the 'latest hardware' is why Windows is unstable, why are Linux/*BSD so much more stable?
What's that you say? "But Windows supports way more hardware!" First of all, Linux hardware support has caught up by leaps and bounds to Windows, and is now nearly on a par. Any exotic/strange hardware may come out on Windows first, but Linux support usually comes 1 or 2 months later.
And notice this: when Linux does support the new hardware, does it become less stable? Of course not! Linux uptimes still routinely run into the months and years with a default install. You're lucky to make it through an hour's worth of Quake3 or Descent3 without a crash on Windows.
And don't start on me with talk of Windows 2000. This is not (yet) a true gaming platform, and it won't be until it supports all the same hardware that Windows 98/ME supports. Heck, unless I miss my guess (and please correct me if I'm wrong), even Linux supports more game-specific hardware than Windows 2000 does.
The bottom line is that Windows' instability is not due to support of a myriad of hardware/apps, it's due to bad OS design. Maybe when (if?) Win2000 and WinME merge, this problem will get better, but not until then. (haven't Win95b, Win98 and Win98SE all been touted as the 'last version of DOS-based Windows'? Again, please correct my if I'm wrong. And please provide links to support your corrections)
Maybe the XBox won't crash like Windows does, but please forgive me for waiting to see how a (more-or-less) brand new Microsoft platform performs before I buy into it.
Cheers.....
Quite so, and it was originally something that Mr. Moore (I forget his first name) said sort of in passing during an interview.
Turns out he was rather insightful (hey, too bad we didn't have Slashdot back then, his karma would have ruled! :), but my understanding is he was just making an off-the-cuff remark that has been accepted as gospel by all the 'tech pundits' out there.
Cheers......
There is a new project that has been spawned: Konqeror. I definitely agree with your contention that there has been some complacency on the browser front. However, the KDE teams's goal is complete standards compliance, including HTML 4.0, Java, CSS, etc.
You may or may not be a KDE fan, but Konqeror looks to be a really excellent application. And being open-source, conceivably GNOME (or any other WM/DE project) could use the engine for their own browser product.
It's getting down to the wire, what with IE having such a dominant market position, but given that Mozilla, Konqeror and Opera should all come out about the same time, we may yet have a standards-compliant web.
Here's to hoping so......
Cheers..................
With MS, it's all just bluster until we actually see something. From the looks of things, that's over a year away. By the time that thing ships, I'll have a PS2 and probably a couple of dozen games for it. I'm sure I won't need it (the XBox). By the time my PS2 becomes dated, one or two more generations of consoles will have come to pass.
The people that XBox will be good for is the people who just decided to get into gaming when it comes out, or the ultra-gearheads who have to have all the different consoles.
I'm just not going to get excited about a product that, even according to MS is at least 15 months away, especially when you consider how much longer it takes them to ship their products than they first imagine. (That's not really a slam against MS directly when you consider how much longer kernel releases, and releases of Debian take than the initial estimates from those teams. The real problem with MS is that they use those delays to try to keep people from buying other products, whereas the Debian and kernel teams are just perfectionists. They don't really give a rat's hiney what you use [more or less}).
Cheers..............
Man, I don't know what planet you're from, but even Debian is pretty easy these days. All you have to do is log in as root from the console and run XF86Setup, choose your hardware and you're finished. Mandrake (and I assume Red Hat, Caldera, Corel Linux, SuSe, etc.) are a complete breeze.
My Viper V550 was properly detected without issue. Not even Windoze can do that, you have to install the drivers and then REBOOT!
If you run the VERY latest video hardware, it might be a pain, but other than that, X is actually easier to set up than (any version of) Windoze.
Cheers.............
Yes, it does. I'm posting this from Netscape 4.73 under Mandrake 7.1.
My only question: why such a huge install? If I hadn't edited out some packages, it would have been over 1.5gb! As it is, I was only able to get it down to 1.1gb.
Granted, hard drives are huge and cheap these days, but what about my ThinkPad P133? It only has a 2.1gb hd, and I don't want it over half full with the OS.
Yes I know that you can slide that bar during install to lower the size of the install, but who knows what you're missing then? I spent about a half hour going through all the packages and deleting what I didn't want. Since it was still 1.1gb, which ones get deleted when you lower the size?
Anywaysssss, that's my mini-rant for the day.
Cheers.......................
At this point, I think about 75% of the benefit has been felt from the case. Practically every major computer company has embraced Linux one way or another, and the whole world has had a chance to see just how MS has behaved and make up their own minds about it based on the facts, not just MS's marketing.
We truly have choice in x86 OS's for the first time since OS/2 was introduced.
Cheers.............
first of all, Yahoo is a directory, not a search engine
Thanks for the correction.
secondly, the issue here is that one site is trying to make a profit by doing nothing but taking the information off another site and presenting it in a different form...
Umm...isn't that exactly what all the directory and search engine services do? Make a profit by taking info off of other websites and presenting it in a form usable to someone looking for something?
Feel free to respond and disagree, but I find it a bit extreme to say that a site is 'dumb' just because you don't see things exactly the same way. (It's not dumb to call a directory a search engine, it's a pretty fine line, IMO)
No matter what Lars says, or whether or not anyone agrees with him, their ploy to ban Napster users who make Metallica songs available has been pitifully ineffective. Just load up Napster and search for Metallica and you'll find there are more files than Napster can display.
'great little one rack-space computers, however not Mac-based'.
This gives a different connotation than your post. The point is that he is a Mac-guy providing services to Mac-people. It's not that he wants to avoid PC's exactly, but rather he wants to use Macs wherever possible.
Cheers.....
You're right, M$ probably did fudge the numbers. My post was in no way supportive of Microsoft, their products, etc. If it weren't for Descent 3 and the lack of a good media player for Linux, I wouldn't use Windoze at all. I was merely pointing out that the comment 'No one is installing...' is pitifully inaccurate.
At the risk of sounding like YASWAC (Yet Another Slashdot Whiner And Complainer), comments like that are childish and diminish the quality of Slashdot, IMO. I wish 'timothy' had chosen another poster's intro that was less biased.
Cheers....
Well, then, can I have them? :)
I'm no M$ fan, but they've sold over a million copies of W2K so far. Not bad for an OS that "No one is installing...".
Have you been able to get it to work as a plugin, or is that even possible? Many sites seem to want to have a pop-up, plugin window that won't work under Linux. At least ABCNews.com gives you the option, "Click here if your version of RealPlayer doesn't work with these clips", or somesuch...
While I completely agree with you that a Mac running MacOS severely limits your options, it is an excellent product. Personal preferences aside, the MacOS is very elegant, easy to navigate and there still is nothing to touch it when it comes to desktop publishing.
Linux was obviously created with a focus on doing the 'nuts and bolts' type stuff as correctly as possible: multi-tasking, memory-protection, etc. Usability has come later, with mixed results IMO. I use and really like KDE 1.1.2, but occasionally it locks up on me. I have no troubles hitting Ctrl-Alt-F1, logging in as root and restarting X, but the casual user might find this daunting.
Windows OTOH, while being nearly as easy overall as MacOS (and, of course, by far the most widely-used OS, I hesitate to say 'most popular' :) wasn't created with the focus of being excellent, but rather being good enough to maintain its monopoly and overwhelmingly dominant market share.
There's also something to be said for the 'rebel' attitude. When it looked, a couple of years ago, like Apple really might go under, some Mac-users probably looked into Linux, since they'd rather never use a computer again than use Windows. :)
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Let me first say that I have been a Linux user for over 3 years. I have a Debian server, a ThinkPad running Debian and 2 desktops: one exclusively Mandrake 7.0 and the one I'm typing from which is dual-boot Mandrake 7.0/Win98SE (I've been playing Diablo).
Here's why I can expect abuse from the Slashdot community: I'm seriously thinking of purchasing Win2000 and making that my main desktop.
Why, you ask? First, let's consider the things I need in my main desktop: stability and security. We can all agree that Linux provides these. Some may disagree, but Win2000 does provide these things also. Yes, one needs to be concerned about viruses. I would probably use Netscape for my browser, and something else for my email client (Pegasus?) so that things like Melissa wouldn't affect me. I would also purchase a good anti-virus app and update it regularly. Incidentally, I've downloaded tons of stuff from the internet (nudge, wink :), and I've never gotten a virus at home. I got a couple at work in my last job, both Excel macro viruses that did little damage.
BUT!(and here's the rub) ...the problem is that there are so many things that I like to use (notice I said 'like', not 'need') regularly that just plain aren't available on Linux:
1.) A good .mpg/.avi/.rm player. Sorry, xanim doesn't cut it. It won't play anything using the latest codecs, and AFAIK doesn't support full-screen mode. As much as it pains me to say it, Windows Media Player 6.4 is actually quite a good app.
2.) Reliable apps for my Palm III. Yes, I've used KPilot. I've also lost data using it. I've never lost data using the Palm software for Windows. I also can't use AvantGo, which is a really cool app.
3.) Myriad of browser tools, including (but not limited to): Java (I have to turn it off, or Netscape locks up under Linux), Flash (yes, there is a flash player for Linux, but it's not fully featured. Try looking at whatever.nike.com under Linux) and plug-ins. Mozilla should cure most or all of these issues, but it's not due out for 6 months, and we've all seen how software projects get delayed (like the Linux kernel and Debian). I'm not complaining about how long those things takes, that's just the way it goes.
4.) Games: yes, I know, more are coming out all the time for Linux, and I truly thinks that's fantastic. However, I play basically 2 games right now: Diablo and Descent 3. I have to reboot into Windows for both of these.
The crux of the whole matter, at least for me, is that my computer is a tool/toy that needs to do the things I want it to. I would love nothing (well, almost nothing :) more than to completely eliminate Windows from my life. But the (unfortunate) bottom line is that, based on all of the the things I like to do, Win2000 is probably my best option.
Comments, criticisms and moderation are all quite welcome (as if I could do anything about it anyway), but please think before you post or moderate. :)
Cheers.......
Tough to beat!
Amazon.com's stock price is down 43% off its 52-week high of 9DEC1999. Could this be because they're not profitable yet and people are getting tired of waiting?
-matty
I think the key here, Otis, is that Amazon.com very clearly didn't have a clever idea, they merely used a technique that has been used commonly by many online merchants. This should not have been allowed to be patented.
You'll notice that it's not just the Clamoring Slashdot Hordes that are speaking out against this, but also 2 (so far) very respected and oft-quoted nerd/guru/expert types. I challenge you to find someone of this stature who thinks that Amazon.com's 2 recent patents are a good idea.
-mattyt
-matty
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I didn't see it anywhere yet (I searched this entire thread and all of the above links for 'bezos'). I cut and pasted the letter into an email, with a few brief comments of my own. Maybe if he gets several thousand 20K emails from people, all of whom are very net-connected, who are saying they won't shop at his store until he rescinds the 2 patents, he'll think twice. Just a suggestion....
Then again, maybe your tongue was in your cheek a bit when you posted that. If so, then "never mind!" :)
-matty
Any stability improvement with Java turned on?
I'm not saying that Debian isn't more stable, more intelligently designed, etc. What I am saying is the the pure number, while quite large, doesn't seem so bad when you consider the number of bugs in Debian, something I think we all consider to be one of the most stable, well-tested OS's around.
Cheers.......