Being nice actually works in the situations you mention. From the story in his post, being nice didn't work when someone was breaking the rules for the license of the MUD in question.
Yes, but if your parents were Swedish, from Sweden, who emigrated to Canada, you would be of Swedish ethnicity and of Canadian nationality (Swedish-Canadian?:).
I don't know if Linus is Swedish, but if he is, I guess he's a Swedish-Finn.
Well this rumor has been floating past my inbox a lot today
I have no proof, but the gist of it is that since Yahoo has acquired Broadcast.com, they have decided to dump Real Audio and replace all sound streams with Windows Media Player.
...maybe this is good. If something is taken to an extreme, people sometimes see the downside of it. If you are allowed to patent 'anything', people might begin to reconsider the entire concept of patenting.
Which means that the 'opening' price of the stock is only based on how many people want to buy it and what they'll pay. The underwriter is taking significant risk, since there's no guarantee that the price will go up (although it certainly seems quite likely that VA will go up dramatically).
Take Salon.com, for instance. If I remember correctly, their stock price went down after the IPO. The underwriter very likely took a bath on that one.
Just the ups and downs of a truly free market....:)
I completely agree with the judge's statement about innovations not taking place because of Microsoft's influence, but what's the remedy?
Do you all really think that a break up of some sort will be beneficial? Is there any way to really 'moderate behavior'? What do all y'all think?
I believe that breaking them up into 2 divisions (Operating Systems and Applications, with IE and IIS being applications) would be the most effective way to keep them from leveraging the Windows monopoly to increase market share of applications.
The problem, of course is this:
1.) In so doing, you create 2 very aggressive companies, each with it's own monopoly (Windows and Office)
2.) How do you keep the two new companies from engaging in collusion with each other?
Ruling that Microsoft has a monopoly, they have abused it and the government should do something about it, while monumental, pale in comparison to coming up with and implementing an effective remedy, IMO.
Wow, I'm not sure we should even reply to the author on this one, it's so bad. My favorite part is at the end where a 'spokesperson' (no name, of course) for HP says that Linux isn't 'robust' enough yet. If that truly is someone who works for HP, I guess they haven't been to their web page lately.
Please note that you can turn everything OFF! If you don't like moderation or scores or karma, TURN THEM OFF! You won't even know they're there and it will be just like Slashdot was before all the moderation, at least for you based on your preferences.
I am now fairly convinced you're associated with MS in one way or another. *sigh* Here we go again....
My point is that a lot of programs that Linux is counting on to provide the same services as Windows aren't up to speed yet. GNOME is the perfect example.
The article, and my comment towards you, was about servers , not about the desktop. I'll grant you, for the majority of people, based on the thousands of end-user apps available, Windows is still a better desktop solution. NONE of the important server applications that are available for Linux are anything but rock-stable. GNOME is there so you can have a nice graphical environment to view pictures, browse the web, etc. Most people (myself included) who run Linux as a server don't even install the graphics libraries and programs. This saves a great deal of all system resources.
KDE didn't fair much better.
Umm, excuse me? I recently starting using the latest GNOME/E.debs (about a week ago and it hasn't crashed once yet. hrmm...), but before that used KDE since beta4. Beta4 locked up on me occasionally, but since 1.0, KDE has never crashed or locked up on me. From reading all the articles I do, and from reading the posts on Slashdot, KDE is nothing but solid. Either you've got some corrupt binaries, have some very bizarre config problems (I didn't change anything in my KDE setup, except to apply the Bryce theme. I really don't see how you could have messed anything up unless you were hand-editing config files), or you're just a FUD-meister.
Most of your remaining arguments are about Linux as a desktop OS, and I've pointed out that that's not the discussion here (though it is a very valid discussion to have). There is one final comment that really irks me, though:
The majority of stuff that I download is pretty poor code.
Again, a very general statement. You've got to provide examples!! If you don't, it's nothing more than FUD! What programs had bad code? Where was the code bad and how could it have been improved? I'm not a programmer, so I wouldn't understand what you meant, but there are (obviously) many programmers who read Slashdot, and maybe they'd appreciate your input. But just to say "Most of the code I've seen for Linux is bad" with no specific information, no particular apps, no mention of the kinds of programming errors you've seen, well sir, that's just a lot of hooey we here like to refer to as FUD.
...and neither are you. I know it's sort of a tired reply, but you sound like an Astroturf minion to me.
What good is an operating system to a company if its programs have to be continually restarted?
Which programs have to be restarted? I know personally of a couple of situations with Linux file/print/samba/email servers that have been running for 6 months without anything being restarted. If you're going to make an inflammatory claim like this, please give specific examples. Otherwise, it sounds like you're flinging FUD.
When it takes me an hour to setup a reasonably hassle-free way to form a PPP connection on my Linux box...
Which distribution are you using? I can set up a ppp connection with Debian, with a clickable icon on the desktop in either KDE or Gnome in about 3 minutes, no kidding! Granted, I know how to do it, and a newbie would have some trouble here (this is an area that really should have improved by now, I admit) but saying that it takes an hour is really just ridiculous and, again, smells badly of FUD.
I thought I would present a well-reasoned reply as to the problems with your argument before all the childish flames start. And don't say, "Oh, I was critical of Linux and you automatically claim FUD", because I have given specific examples and reasons why I feel it's FUD. You failed to do so in your arguments.
I don't think you'll be able to justify your one hour ppp setup claim, but I think we'd all appreciate a response as to which programs you claim need to be restarted regularly? And don't say Netscape, either. That has to be restarted under any OS, and has nothing to do with server operations.
Looking forward to your reply, Matt
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1.) Notice: an anti-Linux statement that got moderated up, not down.
2.) You're right: it would be great to have all the same applications for Linux that are available for Windows, or even the Mac. Keep in mind that Windows began life as the OS on the IBM PC, meaning it had a fast-running start 18 years ago! Less than a year ago, practically no one had even heard of Linux, except us propeller-heads. (I'm sure you hadn't heard of Linux, or Slashdot, a year ago.) Give it another year or two, then notice the flood of applications coming out for Linux.
3.) While your comment that general consumer applications for Linux are scarce is correct, your implication that this means Linux is 'stupid' is wrong. Lack of applications doesn't indicate an inherant problem with the OS, just that it doesn't (currently) serve your particular needs. Use Windows if it serves your needs/wants. I use both: Linux for web-browsing/email/gateway/mail server/file server/samba server/print server/CivCTP (try that with Windows, at least without spending at least $1000 for NT Server), Windows98 for Descent 2/Starcraft/Free Agent (I still haven't found an equivalent for Free Agent for Linux, any suggestions anyone?)
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The readers of Slashdot are the moderators. And why are all the earlier posts moderated down? Because none of them makes any sort of intelligent statement about Linux's shortcomings (of which there are many, admittedly. Stability isn't one of them, though, something no MS operating system can claim).
Basically, all the earlier pro-WinCE posts say, "WinCE runs on this certain proprietary device (the specs of which are totally secret) and Linux doesn't run on it so it sux." These are hardly intelligent comments, and are therefore worthy of being moderated down. This being a predominantly pro-Linux site, most of the readers dislike MS, therefore MS-bashing doesn't (generally) get moderated down. Get over it, or (better yet) just don't read Slashdot (no one will miss you). Life isn't fair, if it were, the least stable, least intelligently designed, least efficient OS wouldn't dominate the desktop.
I realize you're just a Troll, but even you have to admit that, if the specs for this hardware were public, Linux could do at least as good a job as WinCE on the device. And it would do it without billions in MS research dollars.
I don't think we should ever give up telling people about what we mean when we say hacker. It's a perfect word for what we mean by it.
You can see from the other posts that there are several meanings for 'hacker' that have nothing to do with computer software, so what the hell? If we choose another term, aren't we just admitting defeat to the ignorant media forces?
By the way, I have been using the term 'we' loosely. One of the reasons hacker is perfect and 'geek' or 'nerd' isn't, is that I qualify for geek or nerd (I have a 4 node network at home with a Mac, a Linux server and two dual-boot Debian/Win98 computers) but I don't qualify for hacker, since I have no programming skills.
Keep using the term hacker, keep educating people as to *our* meaning for it. Besides, don't tell me you don't get at least a little enjoyment from the looks on people's faces when you tell them you're a 'hacker'?
It's not just you. I think they are all pretty lame. My apologies to the creators of the logos, but I really don't like any of them. I, for one, liked the hand-painted penguin logo.
Oh, well, I'll still use Debian, even if I don't like the logo.:)
All the free-speech, I-should-be-able-to-do-what-I-want rhetoric aside
Wow, did I read that right? I hope you don't take too much offense, but I must strongly disagree with your implied point. Of all the rights in the Bill of Rights, free speech is, IMO, by far the most important (especially for those of us who spend a lot of time communicating over the internet). It certainly isn't 'mere rhetoric'.
Read through some of the other posts on this topic and notice how some other democratic countries (Canada and Sweden are mentioned) limit the way you can register domains. Not only does this serve to limit one's speech, in some cases, someone comes up with a workaround of some sort (the Polynesian.nu domains).
I'm no big, flag-waving, patriot-zealot, but I'm glad I'm in the US where I can register as many domains as I want for any reason (or no reason!). Do you really want the government or a corporation deciding how you can express yourself on the internet?
Yep, I'm capped, although not as much as I should be.:) I'm supposed to have a 256kb line, which would translate to approximately 32Kb, yet I regularly get 55-60Kb, and I've seen large downloads as high as 67Kb.
It wasn't Bill, I don't think, but when M$ first came out with 'Zero Administration Windows', the speaker announced it saying they were going to come out with a version that required little if any admin (this was to an audience of IT-types). The audience laughed pretty uproariously, while the M$ drone just stuttered on stage for a couple of minutes.
I wasn't there personally, I just remember reading about it on news.com or some such.
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Yeah, I do that all the time. Must be from all the times I've typed 'cd /usr/src/linux' or whatever. :)
Totally different situations anyway, IMO.
Yes, but if your parents were Swedish, from Sweden, who emigrated to Canada, you would be of Swedish ethnicity and of Canadian nationality (Swedish-Canadian? :).
I don't know if Linus is Swedish, but if he is, I guess he's a Swedish-Finn.
Cheers.............
I have no proof, but the gist of it is that since Yahoo has acquired Broadcast.com, they have decided to dump Real Audio and replace all sound streams with Windows Media Player.
'nuf said...
-matty
Just a thought...
Take Salon.com, for instance. If I remember correctly, their stock price went down after the IPO. The underwriter very likely took a bath on that one.
Just the ups and downs of a truly free market.... :)
I completely agree with the judge's statement about innovations not taking place because of Microsoft's influence, but what's the remedy?
Do you all really think that a break up of some sort will be beneficial? Is there any way to really 'moderate behavior'? What do all y'all think?
I believe that breaking them up into 2 divisions (Operating Systems and Applications, with IE and IIS being applications) would be the most effective way to keep them from leveraging the Windows monopoly to increase market share of applications.
The problem, of course is this:
1.) In so doing, you create 2 very aggressive companies, each with it's own monopoly (Windows and Office)
2.) How do you keep the two new companies from engaging in collusion with each other?
Ruling that Microsoft has a monopoly, they have abused it and the government should do something about it, while monumental, pale in comparison to coming up with and implementing an effective remedy, IMO.
Cheers,
matty
Wow, I'm not sure we should even reply to the author on this one, it's so bad. My favorite part is at the end where a 'spokesperson' (no name, of course) for HP says that Linux isn't 'robust' enough yet. If that truly is someone who works for HP, I guess they haven't been to their web page lately.
Please note that you can turn everything OFF! If you don't like moderation or scores or karma, TURN THEM OFF! You won't even know they're there and it will be just like Slashdot was before all the moderation, at least for you based on your preferences.
...that the link to the copied page at FileMaker no longer works?
I am now fairly convinced you're associated with MS in one way or another. *sigh* Here we go again....
.debs (about a week ago and it hasn't crashed once yet. hrmm...), but before that used KDE since beta4. Beta4 locked up on me occasionally, but since 1.0, KDE has never crashed or locked up on me. From reading all the articles I do, and from reading the posts on Slashdot, KDE is nothing but solid. Either you've got some corrupt binaries, have some very bizarre config problems (I didn't change anything in my KDE setup, except to apply the Bryce theme. I really don't see how you could have messed anything up unless you were hand-editing config files), or you're just a FUD-meister.
My point is that a lot of programs that Linux is counting on to provide the same services as Windows aren't up to speed yet. GNOME is the perfect example.
The article, and my comment towards you, was about servers , not about the desktop. I'll grant you, for the majority of people, based on the thousands of end-user apps available, Windows is still a better desktop solution. NONE of the important server applications that are available for Linux are anything but rock-stable. GNOME is there so you can have a nice graphical environment to view pictures, browse the web, etc. Most people (myself included) who run Linux as a server don't even install the graphics libraries and programs. This saves a great deal of all system resources.
KDE didn't fair much better.
Umm, excuse me? I recently starting using the latest GNOME/E
Most of your remaining arguments are about Linux as a desktop OS, and I've pointed out that that's not the discussion here (though it is a very valid discussion to have). There is one final comment that really irks me, though:
The majority of stuff that I download is pretty poor code.
Again, a very general statement. You've got to provide examples!! If you don't, it's nothing more than FUD! What programs had bad code? Where was the code bad and how could it have been improved? I'm not a programmer, so I wouldn't understand what you meant, but there are (obviously) many programmers who read Slashdot, and maybe they'd appreciate your input. But just to say "Most of the code I've seen for Linux is bad" with no specific information, no particular apps, no mention of the kinds of programming errors you've seen, well sir, that's just a lot of hooey we here like to refer to as FUD.
Cheers..................
...and neither are you. I know it's sort of a tired reply, but you sound like an Astroturf minion to me.
What good is an operating system to a company if its programs have to be continually restarted?
Which programs have to be restarted? I know personally of a couple of situations with Linux file/print/samba/email servers that have been running for 6 months without anything being restarted. If you're going to make an inflammatory claim like this, please give specific examples. Otherwise, it sounds like you're flinging FUD.
When it takes me an hour to setup a reasonably hassle-free way to form a PPP connection on my Linux box...
Which distribution are you using? I can set up a ppp connection with Debian, with a clickable icon on the desktop in either KDE or Gnome in about 3 minutes, no kidding! Granted, I know how to do it, and a newbie would have some trouble here (this is an area that really should have improved by now, I admit) but saying that it takes an hour is really just ridiculous and, again, smells badly of FUD.
I thought I would present a well-reasoned reply as to the problems with your argument before all the childish flames start. And don't say, "Oh, I was critical of Linux and you automatically claim FUD", because I have given specific examples and reasons why I feel it's FUD. You failed to do so in your arguments.
I don't think you'll be able to justify your one hour ppp setup claim, but I think we'd all appreciate a response as to which programs you claim need to be restarted regularly? And don't say Netscape, either. That has to be restarted under any OS, and has nothing to do with server operations.
Looking forward to your reply,
Matt
1.) Notice: an anti-Linux statement that got moderated up, not down.
2.) You're right: it would be great to have all the same applications for Linux that are available for Windows, or even the Mac. Keep in mind that Windows began life as the OS on the IBM PC, meaning it had a fast-running start 18 years ago! Less than a year ago, practically no one had even heard of Linux, except us propeller-heads. (I'm sure you hadn't heard of Linux, or Slashdot, a year ago.) Give it another year or two, then notice the flood of applications coming out for Linux.
3.) While your comment that general consumer applications for Linux are scarce is correct, your implication that this means Linux is 'stupid' is wrong. Lack of applications doesn't indicate an inherant problem with the OS, just that it doesn't (currently) serve your particular needs. Use Windows if it serves your needs/wants. I use both: Linux for web-browsing/email/gateway/mail server/file server/samba server/print server/CivCTP (try that with Windows, at least without spending at least $1000 for NT Server), Windows98 for Descent 2/Starcraft/Free Agent (I still haven't found an equivalent for Free Agent for Linux, any suggestions anyone?)
MS NT at that.
Umm...is there another kind of NT............?
The readers of Slashdot are the moderators. And why are all the earlier posts moderated down? Because none of them makes any sort of intelligent statement about Linux's shortcomings (of which there are many, admittedly. Stability isn't one of them, though, something no MS operating system can claim).
Basically, all the earlier pro-WinCE posts say, "WinCE runs on this certain proprietary device (the specs of which are totally secret) and Linux doesn't run on it so it sux." These are hardly intelligent comments, and are therefore worthy of being moderated down. This being a predominantly pro-Linux site, most of the readers dislike MS, therefore MS-bashing doesn't (generally) get moderated down. Get over it, or (better yet) just don't read Slashdot (no one will miss you). Life isn't fair, if it were, the least stable, least intelligently designed, least efficient OS wouldn't dominate the desktop.
I realize you're just a Troll, but even you have to admit that, if the specs for this hardware were public, Linux could do at least as good a job as WinCE on the device. And it would do it without billions in MS research dollars.
Cheers,
Matthew
Yeah, yeah, we've seen it before! :) (Well, I have. You sent it to me once. How's it goin'? :) -matty
I don't think we should ever give up telling people about what we mean when we say hacker. It's a perfect word for what we mean by it.
You can see from the other posts that there are several meanings for 'hacker' that have nothing to do with computer software, so what the hell? If we choose another term, aren't we just admitting defeat to the ignorant media forces?
By the way, I have been using the term 'we' loosely. One of the reasons hacker is perfect and 'geek' or 'nerd' isn't, is that I qualify for geek or nerd (I have a 4 node network at home with a Mac, a Linux server and two dual-boot Debian/Win98 computers) but I don't qualify for hacker, since I have no programming skills.
Keep using the term hacker, keep educating people as to *our* meaning for it. Besides, don't tell me you don't get at least a little enjoyment from the looks on people's faces when you tell them you're a 'hacker'?
Cheers,
Matthew
It's not just you. I think they are all pretty lame. My apologies to the creators of the logos, but I really don't like any of them. I, for one, liked the hand-painted penguin logo.
:)
Oh, well, I'll still use Debian, even if I don't like the logo.
Cheers,
Matt
All the free-speech, I-should-be-able-to-do-what-I-want rhetoric aside
.nu domains).
Wow, did I read that right? I hope you don't take too much offense, but I must strongly disagree with your implied point. Of all the rights in the Bill of Rights, free speech is, IMO, by far the most important (especially for those of us who spend a lot of time communicating over the internet). It certainly isn't 'mere rhetoric'.
Read through some of the other posts on this topic and notice how some other democratic countries (Canada and Sweden are mentioned) limit the way you can register domains. Not only does this serve to limit one's speech, in some cases, someone comes up with a workaround of some sort (the Polynesian
I'm no big, flag-waving, patriot-zealot, but I'm glad I'm in the US where I can register as many domains as I want for any reason (or no reason!). Do you really want the government or a corporation deciding how you can express yourself on the internet?
Cheers,
Matthew
Yep, I'm capped, although not as much as I should be. :) I'm supposed to have a 256kb line, which would translate to approximately 32Kb, yet I regularly get 55-60Kb, and I've seen large downloads as high as 67Kb.
Still pretty darn neat.....:)
If there were a symlink at ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org called 'latest' linked to (duh) the latest stable version of the kernel? Then you could just:
$ ftp ftp.us.kernel.org
login
ftp> get latest
Any problems with this idea? Sure would be neato, but is it unnecessary? Whatchall thank?
P.S. Gotta love DSL:
226 Transfer complete.
11074355 bytes received in 189.01 secs (57.2 kB/s)
:)
It wasn't Bill, I don't think, but when M$ first came out with 'Zero Administration Windows', the speaker announced it saying they were going to come out with a version that required little if any admin (this was to an audience of IT-types). The audience laughed pretty uproariously, while the M$ drone just stuttered on stage for a couple of minutes.
I wasn't there personally, I just remember reading about it on news.com or some such.
Hey, man, I've got the BH6/450A combo and I'm 34 and live on the 4th floor! ;)
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