You solved it Lynwood, well done. We can just turn the whole atmosphere into a giant outdoor office or classroom.
But where will we get all the desks? I suppose we could just cut down all the trees as well...
Laughable assertion again from you Windbourne, it's what I've come to expect.
Show a single post where I'm in favour of coal.
Why would I push for China to build more coal? It's absurd. It's more absurd you would think that with no evidence.
The only lies and hypocrisy around here is you, as has been show repeatedly.
Still waiting for you to show me any lies I may have made.
I've shown many many of yours.
Again stop trolling me, where did I mention coal was cleaner than natural gas. Just more lies you peddle as you follow me around
China's coal use continues to set records? Really, that's what you think? Because it's an obvious lie (one of many you keep peddling)
Stop with the lies Windbourne. It's just too easy if you are going to put them in every single post. It's not even a little bit of a challenge to find them as they are so obvious.
Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
Did you even bother to read how it was calculated?
If you had, you would know that they simply took the total energy used and divided by households and capita.
Did you even bother to read it yourself WindBourne, or even use common sense?
For that to be based on total electricity use like you claim, America would have to be producing something like 2-3 times the electricity of China. Hint: America produces less than China.
So reading ability or common sense, it's clear you have neither.
They repeatedly mention residential electricity. There is no justification for your lies. As always you are clearly just making things up.
Across the countries we chose to compare household electricity use varies enormously.
In the US typical household power consumption is about 11,700 kWh each year, in France it is 6,400 kWh, in the UK it is 4,600 kWh and in China around 1,300 kWh. The global average electricity consumption for households with electricity was roughly 3,500 kWh in 2010.
By taking residential electricity use and dividing it by population we can look at how much electricity the average person uses at home in each country.
Each American uses about 4,500 kWh per year in their home.
You clearly didn't read the site but jumped in anyway with your lies.
Gads, why can you not try to think a little before posting as one of the two logons that you have? It would be nice that if I am going to have troll, that you at least had some intelligence rather than just continue lying and being a hypocrite. Shesh, the fact that you are paid by the CHinese gov is bad enough.
Standard response from you WindBourne.
Muddy the water by attacking the messenger instead of the message, sprinkle in a few lies for good measure.
Then try to claim the other person is lying with no evidence at all to back up your claims.
I'm not even going to bother in future with your personal attacks,bring them on, you just hide behind them because you have no arguments. Why you keep following me around and trolling your coal bullshit every time someone shows how bad for the environment America is, is something that only you know.
Personal attacks and lies, it's all you ever bring.
You really are a child!
Do you not understand the meaning of consume?
I know you are the anti coal troll, but where did I mention coal? I said CO2. You are the one whose panties keep getting twisted every time you think about coal but it's just not that big of a deal.
Oil in America makes more CO2 than coal. Natural gas in America produces more CO2 than coal. China reached peak coal 5 years ago.
But the coal troll still focuses on coal instead of the real problem.
Why is that?
You are clutching at straw now. It's quite clear I said businesses and not people just sitting around.
You really are completely thick aren't you. Let me make it easier for simple people like you to understand.
If Indians started up the exact same businesses as Americans, and had the same consumption, and the same lifestyle, the same values, the same everything. If India magically turned into another America just with a billion more people. Would the total world CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Also if America changed its high polluting ways and every American woke up and decided to be like an Indian, All the businesses became like Indian businesses, the people lived like Indians, ate, drove, worked, consumed, etc identical to India but with the same American population (a billion less than india) Would the world total CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Now hide back under your rock Windy, until the next story turns up that you can twist into an anti-China rant about coal.
You people get around both of those by buying SUV's crossovers light trucks etc instead, just so you can pollute more.
Despite better fuel standards and electric cars, your transport CO2 is increasing because Americans just refuse to have clean cars, The % of SUV's etc is rising faster than the fuel standards are bringing the CO2 down.
You actually think a Chinese person uses as much electricity as an American, LOL.
You are completely missing the point (intentionally). Those extra billion people won't just be sitting around at home using a 'bit more' electricity. They will be doing everything Americans already do, but 4 x as much. 4 times the food, 4 times the driving, 4 times the consuming. (And no, that doesn't mean eating coal you simpleton.)
You think maybe they will need jobs? Oops, 4 times the commercial and 4 times the industry as well. Unless you are just planning on buying everything from China and using their manufacturing and CO2 so you can pretend you are still clean.
Can you think of even 1 sector or area where there wouldn't be an increase in CO2?
And America's transport CO2 rose far far less than what CHina's CO2 did. In fact, our transportation has risen for the last couple of years, BUT, our CO2 continues to drop, which is what matters.
OTOH, your nation's CO2 continues to rise.
Facts are you transport has been getting worse for 5 years in a row with no end in site. Despite tougher fuel standards people are still switching away from cars and into SUV's and light trucks making the situation worse. (I'll note here that it's people choosing this despite businesses making more efficient cars and government enacting tougher standards.)
The fact that you continue to claim that Coal burns cleaner than nat gas shows how fucked up you are.
You keep telling this lie, but I never said it and you never show where you think I did. (How many lies so far from you in just this post?)
But China’s National Development and Reform Commission released detailed data this week showing that the country’s electricity consumption jumped 6.6 percent last year. Wind and solar energy grew quickly, but not nearly enough to meet the extra demand. Electricity generation from the burning of fossil fuels, almost entirely coal, rose 5.2 percent in China last year.
As I said before, because your nation continues to install loads more coal than AE, your new electricity continues to come from coal, and not AE.
Around 15% of the increase in China’s electricity demand was due to higher demand for cooling, driven by a particularly hot summer. (This topic will be the focus of a forthcoming IEA report on how the projected growth in air conditioning usage around the world will affect global electricity demand). Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
Coal increased less than 1/2 a percent, yet you keep using ten times that number...And coal use peaked in China half a decade ago !!
Now, I know that your gov pays you to lie here, but others need to realize what kind of trash you are for trying to pretend that China is NOT a major polluter. Hell, your cleanest city is worse than any city in America or Europe.
It's quite clear who the liar is here WindBourne.
No one is pretending China is not a big polluter, due to being the global factory and also having the largest population. But it is you who is pretending America is not a major polluter.
Are you retarded? What kind of argument is that? Are you seriously saying that it not the person who buys a gas guzzling car and drives it around just for fun who is polluting, but the oil company that drilled the oil, refined it into petrol, shipped it to your local gas station and sold it to you. It's somehow the businesses fault, not the consumers?
You seem to be implying businesses just exist for the sole purpose of making CO2. And that even if consumers didn't buy their products,they would just keep on making it, for fun I guess.
If that is not your argument, please explain what it is.
Show me where I said people eat coal? Yet more of your stupid idiocy trying to muddy the waters.
People consume stuff.
Rich people consume more stuff.
This shouldn't be hard for even a child to understand.
Adding a billion extra rich people living and consuming like rich people will have a devastating impact on CO2 levels. To deny that is just to deny reality.
Maybe you have been eating coal, or chewing on lead paint to have turned out this dense.
You still refuse to answer the question!
Does having an extra billion people make a difference? Why is this so hard for you?
I'll even give you a little clue to help you along. Those extra billion people will want jobs and and things, so more businesses will start too.
That is talking about historical emissions. trust me you don't want to go there. America will end up looking much much much worse than China if you want to do that.
What do you think all those companies are doing with that oil? It's being consumed by people! Used to make things for people! Guess what, more people more things!
You still haven't answered the simple question though. Is it too complicated for you? I'll have to come up with an even simpler way to open your eyes to the obvious.
You are even less bright it would seem. You keep telling us China produces twice as much as America. Then how is twice China's % in any way comparable to America's much larger %? Why is American transport CO2 rising in absolute numbers not just as a percentage of the total?
Did you end up showing where you got those absolute fantasy truck pollution reducing numbers from?
No? I could go on an on about your made up bullshit you spout as if it's a fact.
America imports a lot of food too. Did you have a point?
Maybe our unnamed troll (WindBourne) cold get a job at the CIA and update their factbook?
Na, probably not, CIA likes to lie, but they prefer their liars to be at least a bit believable.
Back to trolling for you.
You really are completely thick aren't you. Let me make it easier for simple people like you to understand.
If Indians started up the exact same businesses as Americans, and had the same consumption, and the same lifestyle, the same values, the same everything. If India magically turned into another America just with a billion more people. Would the total world CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Also if America changed its high polluting ways and every American woke up and decided to be like an Indian, All the businesses became like Indian businesses, the people lived like Indians, ate, drove, worked, consumed, etc identical to India but with the same American population (a billion less than india) Would the world total CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Now hide back under your rock Windy, until the next story turns up that you can twist into an anti-China rant about coal.
Funny you should mention transport. America's is getting worse and worse. Much higher than the world average, China is much lower. https://data.worldbank.org/ind...
Low and stable vs high and increasing...
What the fuck does that have to do with the simple question I asked you?
Why is stable and high better for the environment than developing countries getting a bit worse than before but still way way less than America?
You are like a morbidly obese person complaining that a malnourished child ate 1 and a half crackers instead of his usual 1. While praising yourself for only eating 3 tubs of icecream instead of 3 tubs of icecream with a cherry on top.
You cut out the cherry so you are good, they ate half an extra cracker so they are bad.
Yes I did have to spell it out for you because you really are that thick.
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Everyone also knows it's only the telekinetic dinosaurs who did the manual labour.
You solved it Lynwood, well done. We can just turn the whole atmosphere into a giant outdoor office or classroom.
But where will we get all the desks? I suppose we could just cut down all the trees as well...
Captain Darling:
So you see, Blackadder, Field Marshall Haig is most anxious to eliminate all these German spies.
General Melchett:
Filthy hun weasels, fighting their dirty underhand war!
Captain Darling:
And fortunately, one of our spies...
General Melchett:
Splendid fellows, brave heroes risking life and limb for Blighty!
Too late.
Laughable assertion again from you Windbourne, it's what I've come to expect.
Show a single post where I'm in favour of coal.
Why would I push for China to build more coal? It's absurd. It's more absurd you would think that with no evidence.
The only lies and hypocrisy around here is you, as has been show repeatedly.
Still waiting for you to show me any lies I may have made.
I've shown many many of yours.
Again stop trolling me, where did I mention coal was cleaner than natural gas. Just more lies you peddle as you follow me around
China's coal use continues to set records? Really, that's what you think? Because it's an obvious lie (one of many you keep peddling)
Stop with the lies Windbourne. It's just too easy if you are going to put them in every single post. It's not even a little bit of a challenge to find them as they are so obvious.
Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
You really are a little child.
Did you even bother to read how it was calculated? If you had, you would know that they simply took the total energy used and divided by households and capita.
Did you even bother to read it yourself WindBourne, or even use common sense?
For that to be based on total electricity use like you claim, America would have to be producing something like 2-3 times the electricity of China. Hint: America produces less than China.
So reading ability or common sense, it's clear you have neither.
They repeatedly mention residential electricity. There is no justification for your lies. As always you are clearly just making things up.
Across the countries we chose to compare household electricity use varies enormously.
In the US typical household power consumption is about 11,700 kWh each year, in France it is 6,400 kWh, in the UK it is 4,600 kWh and in China around 1,300 kWh. The global average electricity consumption for households with electricity was roughly 3,500 kWh in 2010.
By taking residential electricity use and dividing it by population we can look at how much electricity the average person uses at home in each country.
Each American uses about 4,500 kWh per year in their home.
You clearly didn't read the site but jumped in anyway with your lies.
Gads, why can you not try to think a little before posting as one of the two logons that you have? It would be nice that if I am going to have troll, that you at least had some intelligence rather than just continue lying and being a hypocrite. Shesh, the fact that you are paid by the CHinese gov is bad enough.
Standard response from you WindBourne.
Muddy the water by attacking the messenger instead of the message, sprinkle in a few lies for good measure.
Then try to claim the other person is lying with no evidence at all to back up your claims.
I'm not even going to bother in future with your personal attacks,bring them on, you just hide behind them because you have no arguments. Why you keep following me around and trolling your coal bullshit every time someone shows how bad for the environment America is, is something that only you know.
Personal attacks and lies, it's all you ever bring.
You really are a child!
Do you not understand the meaning of consume?
I know you are the anti coal troll, but where did I mention coal? I said CO2. You are the one whose panties keep getting twisted every time you think about coal but it's just not that big of a deal.
Oil in America makes more CO2 than coal. Natural gas in America produces more CO2 than coal. China reached peak coal 5 years ago.
But the coal troll still focuses on coal instead of the real problem.
Why is that?
Hey look American households use 10 times as much electricity as Chinese households, who would have guessed?
You really are completely thick aren't you. Let me make it easier for simple people like you to understand. If Indians started up the exact same businesses as Americans, and had the same consumption, and the same lifestyle, the same values, the same everything. If India magically turned into another America just with a billion more people. Would the total world CO2 A) get much much worse... B) get much much better... C) stay the same. Also if America changed its high polluting ways and every American woke up and decided to be like an Indian, All the businesses became like Indian businesses, the people lived like Indians, ate, drove, worked, consumed, etc identical to India but with the same American population (a billion less than india) Would the world total CO2 A) get much much worse... B) get much much better... C) stay the same. Now hide back under your rock Windy, until the next story turns up that you can twist into an anti-China rant about coal.
Like I just told you in the other post, people are deciding !
Businesses make more efficient cars, even electric.
Governments mandates higher fuel efficiency standards
You people get around both of those by buying SUV's crossovers light trucks etc instead, just so you can pollute more.
Despite better fuel standards and electric cars, your transport CO2 is increasing because Americans just refuse to have clean cars, The % of SUV's etc is rising faster than the fuel standards are bringing the CO2 down.
You actually think a Chinese person uses as much electricity as an American, LOL.
You are completely missing the point (intentionally). Those extra billion people won't just be sitting around at home using a 'bit more' electricity. They will be doing everything Americans already do, but 4 x as much. 4 times the food, 4 times the driving, 4 times the consuming. (And no, that doesn't mean eating coal you simpleton.)
You think maybe they will need jobs? Oops, 4 times the commercial and 4 times the industry as well. Unless you are just planning on buying everything from China and using their manufacturing and CO2 so you can pretend you are still clean.
Can you think of even 1 sector or area where there wouldn't be an increase in CO2?
See the other post, it's clearly you who is lying.
I have said nothing of the kind. You continue to lie.
Your lies have been numerous and documented, you only add to them here.
You are yet to show any lie that I have made, despite your repeated claims.
I have said that China continues to produce more than 2x the CO2 that America does, while their GDP output is far less.
But China doesn't produce more than twice, it produces a bit less than twice Americas CO2.
China's GDP output is also larger than the US.
And America's transport CO2 rose far far less than what CHina's CO2 did. In fact, our transportation has risen for the last couple of years, BUT, our CO2 continues to drop, which is what matters. OTOH, your nation's CO2 continues to rise.
Facts are you transport has been getting worse for 5 years in a row with no end in site. Despite tougher fuel standards people are still switching away from cars and into SUV's and light trucks making the situation worse. (I'll note here that it's people choosing this despite businesses making more efficient cars and government enacting tougher standards.)
The fact that you continue to claim that Coal burns cleaner than nat gas shows how fucked up you are.
You keep telling this lie, but I never said it and you never show where you think I did. (How many lies so far from you in just this post?)
But China’s National Development and Reform Commission released detailed data this week showing that the country’s electricity consumption jumped 6.6 percent last year. Wind and solar energy grew quickly, but not nearly enough to meet the extra demand. Electricity generation from the burning of fossil fuels, almost entirely coal, rose 5.2 percent in China last year.
As I said before, because your nation continues to install loads more coal than AE, your new electricity continues to come from coal, and not AE.
More lies from you? Can you not read?
Around 15% of the increase in China’s electricity demand was due to higher demand for cooling, driven by a particularly hot summer. (This topic will be the focus of a forthcoming IEA report on how the projected growth in air conditioning usage around the world will affect global electricity demand). Despite continued reductions of coal use in buildings and industry, the growth in the power sector pushed up coal demand in China by 0.3%, after three years of declining demand. Despite this rebound, coal use in China remains below its 2013 peak.
Coal increased less than 1/2 a percent, yet you keep using ten times that number...And coal use peaked in China half a decade ago !!
Now, I know that your gov pays you to lie here, but others need to realize what kind of trash you are for trying to pretend that China is NOT a major polluter. Hell, your cleanest city is worse than any city in America or Europe.
It's quite clear who the liar is here WindBourne.
No one is pretending China is not a big polluter, due to being the global factory and also having the largest population. But it is you who is pretending America is not a major polluter.
Are you retarded? What kind of argument is that? Are you seriously saying that it not the person who buys a gas guzzling car and drives it around just for fun who is polluting, but the oil company that drilled the oil, refined it into petrol, shipped it to your local gas station and sold it to you. It's somehow the businesses fault, not the consumers?
You seem to be implying businesses just exist for the sole purpose of making CO2. And that even if consumers didn't buy their products,they would just keep on making it, for fun I guess.
If that is not your argument, please explain what it is.
Show me where I said people eat coal? Yet more of your stupid idiocy trying to muddy the waters.
People consume stuff.
Rich people consume more stuff.
This shouldn't be hard for even a child to understand.
Adding a billion extra rich people living and consuming like rich people will have a devastating impact on CO2 levels. To deny that is just to deny reality.
Maybe you have been eating coal, or chewing on lead paint to have turned out this dense.
You still refuse to answer the question!
Does having an extra billion people make a difference? Why is this so hard for you?
I'll even give you a little clue to help you along. Those extra billion people will want jobs and and things, so more businesses will start too.
That is talking about historical emissions. trust me you don't want to go there. America will end up looking much much much worse than China if you want to do that.
What do you think all those companies are doing with that oil? It's being consumed by people! Used to make things for people! Guess what, more people more things!
You still haven't answered the simple question though. Is it too complicated for you? I'll have to come up with an even simpler way to open your eyes to the obvious.
You are even less bright it would seem. You keep telling us China produces twice as much as America. Then how is twice China's % in any way comparable to America's much larger %? Why is American transport CO2 rising in absolute numbers not just as a percentage of the total?
Did you end up showing where you got those absolute fantasy truck pollution reducing numbers from?
No? I could go on an on about your made up bullshit you spout as if it's a fact.
But you still haven't linked to a single one...
You claimed is was easy and common...
America imports a lot of food too. Did you have a point?
Maybe our unnamed troll (WindBourne) cold get a job at the CIA and update their factbook?
Na, probably not, CIA likes to lie, but they prefer their liars to be at least a bit believable.
Back to trolling for you.
You really are completely thick aren't you. Let me make it easier for simple people like you to understand.
If Indians started up the exact same businesses as Americans, and had the same consumption, and the same lifestyle, the same values, the same everything. If India magically turned into another America just with a billion more people. Would the total world CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Also if America changed its high polluting ways and every American woke up and decided to be like an Indian, All the businesses became like Indian businesses, the people lived like Indians, ate, drove, worked, consumed, etc identical to India but with the same American population (a billion less than india) Would the world total CO2
A) get much much worse...
B) get much much better...
C) stay the same.
Now hide back under your rock Windy, until the next story turns up that you can twist into an anti-China rant about coal.
The same source Windy gets all his numbers from, his arse.
Funny you should mention transport. America's is getting worse and worse. Much higher than the world average, China is much lower.
https://data.worldbank.org/ind...
Low and stable vs high and increasing...
What the fuck does that have to do with the simple question I asked you?
Why is stable and high better for the environment than developing countries getting a bit worse than before but still way way less than America?
You are like a morbidly obese person complaining that a malnourished child ate 1 and a half crackers instead of his usual 1. While praising yourself for only eating 3 tubs of icecream instead of 3 tubs of icecream with a cherry on top.
You cut out the cherry so you are good, they ate half an extra cracker so they are bad.
Yes I did have to spell it out for you because you really are that thick.