i was in a meeting then lunch, so i missed the hooters link, but the fact that slashdot changed it like nothing happened without an update is wrong and scary! i mean, this reminds me so much of "1984" where the history is rewritten as time goes by.
I hate to say this, but you are wrong. Ignorance is a threat to Linux. Lack of vision is a threat to Linux, don't tell my mother to go get a vision or write code. As time goes on, the number of developers will become smaller while the users become larger, thus it is fairly important that by that time, the linux community has improved it's development process. (read "the emperor has no clothes" argument on the kernel dev list)
We would like to believe that, but how do we know that they didn't? Perhaps they just missed out on this? Lots of shops clean up their code before release, didn't you remember when taco released slashdot's code? or when ID releases code? Perhaps the coder who cleaned it up saw it, but left it to get back to Borland? or perhaps see how long it will sit in the opensource community before it is picked up by anyone.
I totally disagree, you might not change them, but for those of us that do, it matters. All my Oracle default passwords are changed, if I had an Interbase DB, I couldn't change/disable the backdoor! That is bad! What is worst, is that with default passwords you are at least aware of it, whereas backdoor you are not, and people can use it against you. Before the source to interbase was released, can you tell me that someone didn't string the binary and found that?
if what you said is true, then it will be a piece of cake to crack, all one has to do is trap the traffic that is sent to whoever, and modify the PID and MAC. with sligth modification to natd plus libnet, this can be thrown up in an hour or less.:-)
your post disgusts me. BSD is the true spirit of FREE software, it is free to all, including those you don't like. GPL is not free, It is restricted freedom, and I will support 100% unrestricted freedom anyday than restricted freedom. First of all, no company can use your code without giving your credit. Credit means a lot! Yes, it is not money, but having a company give credit to the small guys is a big thing! Probably not for you, since I dobut you are a coder.
i totally disagreed with this article, but i respect the guy, why? because he is not just sprouting shit, he wrote lots of materials and preseneted them from his own humble point of view! learn, learn, learn! is there anyone in slashdot, who is willing to write half as that much to prove him wrong? nah, instead the best most of you can do is flame him with 4 line comments. OOP is not a HYPE, yes it has been overhyped, it is not the cure to all as well, it is here to stay.
I am not a huge OOP fan, but I firmly do not believe it is hype, yes, it has been OVER HYPED, but when you take the hype out, it is still worth it. OOP is not the solution to everything.
I was weaned on C and assembly. I learned to write structure code, C and assembly fits fine perfectly, I can sit down and hack C freely without thinking of the problem ahead. Doing so with OOP approach is next to impossible, OOP makes you work, I hate it most of the time, and that is the reason why most people hate OOP, if you have the hacker mentality, you will hate OOP approach.
But, even with the hacker mentaility, OOP can still be good, anyone here who has done GUI programing with C, C++, Python or Java knows that language that totally dominates is the languages with support for OOP not C. If you have done programming with CORBA, you will appreciate OOP just as well. Look at Orbix for example, the fastest CORBA ORB that I know, the dirtiest to hack for, look at other ORBs supporting C++, not the fastest in terms of execution speed, but much much painless to code for.
Some people might want to argue about speed, but in this age we live, it is no longer about the speed of execution, but of development, at least in my case.
good point, but it is hard and not natural! just like you can say that, it is like saying one can write strucuted and object oriented code in basic, ask any basic programmer, they will agree, but what use is basic if you can't use your goto etc?
i have an e4500 with 8 cpus, 2 gigs of ram, and tons of disk space, it is DOG SLOW! if the software architecture has been cleanly designed, it will be running on a dual 500mhz system and 1 gig of ram with no sweat. hardware can only take you so much, a well design architecture will take you to whereever you want to go...
hiring a bunch of script kiddies means nothing, sure they can break in with latest exploits they downloaded, but they know nothing about securing. the saddest thing, was they mentioned that the kids will "write" firewall. muhaha.
in all fairness, let's assume that these kids can break into computers and also secure them. they are still kids! they will abuse it, they will share with friends outside of work, perhaps for acceptance/favor. it would be much better, if the kids were hired and put under a talented software house so their skills can be developed if any into programming.
i use tik, which is a client written in tcl/tk, it works flawlessly. i have used it on freebsd, solaris and linux with no headache. since it is tcl/tk, the source is there with you and you can easily tweak it to fit you.
what to learn from this is never to use your CC for business on the internet. Yes, call me paranoid, what I did instead was open a checking account and got one of those bank cards that can be used as a CC, anytime I want to do a business on the internet, I just deposit an amount, and do it, if anyone ever tries to commit fraud with my card, the will at most get away with $100...
hey, i was wondering if the number will be a scam, as all those free sex lines, please call 1900 blah blah, so i called the 800 number to add a few cents to his bill, but the number is temporarily no longer in service! a phone number, slashdotted! woooo
Everyone is virtually flaming ZDnet for their article. If Linux is to grow stronger and better we must learn to accept criticism. I have been using Linux for 7 years, and believe I am qualified enough to comment on this. I have to agree with ZDnet. Linux is bloated, My last SuSE distribution was 6 CDs. Is this good? Yes and No.
It was good for me, because my connection at home is 28.8. It is bad for me because when I want to install, I have to go through thousands of packages to find out what I want. Linux needs a desktop standard. This means, a core set of applications. You pop in a CD, you click the giant OK button and it is all done. If you then desire, you can use the other CDs to install your favorite app. If I tried to install SuSE, I would have to insert CD 2, insert CD 3,... insert CD 6.
I gave a friend SuSE, and that turned him off about it, he wouldn't even give it a try. I am sure that if we came up with a desktop standard for linux that it can be done in a very good 300-400meg for very useable system. I am not asking for a core system with no X, no network, etc, etc.
We must remember that bigger is not necessarily better, more is not necessarily better. KISS is good. Keep it Small/Simple Stupid.
I use BSD as well, and this is why I love NetBSD and OpenBSD. They are very small, whenever I install it, I install just the standard (1 CD). If I then use I can install applications via the ports collection. Let's not let our Linux pride blind us. Happy Holidays.
I am in my early 20's, and I am a dumb very guy. I have decided to enhance myself and upgrade to genius status, by taking all the advice you guys have given, thanks a lot slashdot!!!
I don't mean to be a troll, but since you "were a gifted child?". How old are you? Do you still have the talent? Where are you today? What do you regret and wish you hadn't done or done? etc etc? I am just curious because a lot of times, we here so much about gifted children, but we never hear how they end up?
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i was in a meeting then lunch, so i missed the hooters link, but the fact that slashdot changed it like nothing happened without an update is wrong and scary! i mean, this reminds me so much of "1984" where the history is rewritten as time goes by.
... if they can't check the link, will they even read the article?
but if he knows the equivalent of rm -rf, how about a drop table cascade? command? yum.
I haven't seen a single post asking about the source code, and demanding release yet!
I hate to say this, but you are wrong. Ignorance is a threat to Linux. Lack of vision is a threat to Linux, don't tell my mother to go get a vision or write code. As time goes on, the number of developers will become smaller while the users become larger, thus it is fairly important that by that time, the linux community has improved it's development process. (read "the emperor has no clothes" argument on the kernel dev list)
I am willing to pay as much as $50 for a take it tux tshirt!
http://www.rageout.net/takeittux.jpg
We would like to believe that, but how do we know that they didn't? Perhaps they just missed out on this? Lots of shops clean up their code before release, didn't you remember when taco released slashdot's code? or when ID releases code? Perhaps the coder who cleaned it up saw it, but left it to get back to Borland? or perhaps see how long it will sit in the opensource community before it is picked up by anyone.
I totally disagree, you might not change them, but for those of us that do, it matters. All my Oracle default passwords are changed, if I had an Interbase DB, I couldn't change/disable the backdoor! That is bad! What is worst, is that with default passwords you are at least aware of it, whereas backdoor you are not, and people can use it against you. Before the source to interbase was released, can you tell me that someone didn't string the binary and found that?
if what you said is true, then it will be a piece of cake to crack, all one has to do is trap the traffic that is sent to whoever, and modify the PID and MAC. with sligth modification to natd plus libnet, this can be thrown up in an hour or less. :-)
your post disgusts me. BSD is the true spirit of FREE software, it is free to all, including those you don't like. GPL is not free, It is restricted freedom, and I will support 100% unrestricted freedom anyday than restricted freedom. First of all, no company can use your code without giving your credit. Credit means a lot! Yes, it is not money, but having a company give credit to the small guys is a big thing! Probably not for you, since I dobut you are a coder.
if you think you have a point, go checkout ruby and python. :-)
i totally disagreed with this article, but i respect the guy, why? because he is not just sprouting shit, he wrote lots of materials and preseneted them from his own humble point of view! learn, learn, learn! is there anyone in slashdot, who is willing to write half as that much to prove him wrong? nah, instead the best most of you can do is flame him with 4 line comments. OOP is not a HYPE, yes it has been overhyped, it is not the cure to all as well, it is here to stay.
I am not a huge OOP fan, but I firmly do not believe it is hype, yes, it has been OVER HYPED, but when you take the hype out, it is still worth it. OOP is not the solution to everything.
I was weaned on C and assembly. I learned to write structure code, C and assembly fits fine perfectly, I can sit down and hack C freely without thinking of the problem ahead. Doing so with OOP approach is next to impossible, OOP makes you work, I hate it most of the time, and that is the reason why most people hate OOP, if you have the hacker mentality, you will hate OOP approach.
But, even with the hacker mentaility, OOP can still be good, anyone here who has done GUI programing with C, C++, Python or Java knows that language that totally dominates is the languages with support for OOP not C. If you have done programming with CORBA, you will appreciate OOP just as well. Look at Orbix for example, the fastest CORBA ORB that I know, the dirtiest to hack for, look at other ORBs supporting C++, not the fastest in terms of execution speed, but much much painless to code for.
Some people might want to argue about speed, but in this age we live, it is no longer about the speed of execution, but of development, at least in my case.
good point, but it is hard and not natural! just like you can say that, it is like saying one can write strucuted and object oriented code in basic, ask any basic programmer, they will agree, but what use is basic if you can't use your goto etc?
the really kicker is that he "telnetted" in. NO REMOTE ROOT login should ever exist, telnet, ftp, ssh, etc. how sad...
i have an e4500 with 8 cpus, 2 gigs of ram, and tons of disk space, it is DOG SLOW! if the software architecture has been cleanly designed, it will be running on a dual 500mhz system and 1 gig of ram with no sweat. hardware can only take you so much, a well design architecture will take you to whereever you want to go...
hiring a bunch of script kiddies means nothing, sure they can break in with latest exploits they downloaded, but they know nothing about securing. the saddest thing, was they mentioned that the kids will "write" firewall. muhaha.
in all fairness, let's assume that these kids can break into computers and also secure them. they are still kids! they will abuse it, they will share with friends outside of work, perhaps for acceptance/favor. it would be much better, if the kids were hired and put under a talented software house so their skills can be developed if any into programming.
i use tik, which is a client written in tcl/tk, it works flawlessly. i have used it on freebsd, solaris and linux with no headache. since it is tcl/tk, the source is there with you and you can easily tweak it to fit you.
what to learn from this is never to use your CC for business on the internet. Yes, call me paranoid, what I did instead was open a checking account and got one of those bank cards that can be used as a CC, anytime I want to do a business on the internet, I just deposit an amount, and do it, if anyone ever tries to commit fraud with my card, the will at most get away with $100...
hey, i was wondering if the number will be a scam, as all those free sex lines, please call 1900 blah blah, so i called the 800 number to add a few cents to his bill, but the number is temporarily no longer in service! a phone number, slashdotted! woooo
happy holidays
except I was banned from the mac lab, there was only one windows machine in the mac lab. I got caught in MSDOS. ;-(
happy holidays...
one CD will contain distribution for like 6 architectures. Go check it out, I am running 2.8
Everyone is virtually flaming ZDnet for their article. If Linux is to grow stronger and better we must learn to accept criticism. I have been using Linux for 7 years, and believe I am qualified enough to comment on this. I have to agree with ZDnet. Linux is bloated, My last SuSE distribution was 6 CDs. Is this good? Yes and No.
... insert CD 6.
It was good for me, because my connection at home is 28.8. It is bad for me because when I want to install, I have to go through thousands of packages to find out what I want. Linux needs a desktop standard. This means, a core set of applications. You pop in a CD, you click the giant OK button and it is all done. If you then desire, you can use the other CDs to install your favorite app. If I tried to install SuSE, I would have to insert CD 2, insert CD 3,
I gave a friend SuSE, and that turned him off about it, he wouldn't even give it a try. I am sure that if we came up with a desktop standard for linux that it can be done in a very good 300-400meg for very useable system. I am not asking for a core system with no X, no network, etc, etc.
We must remember that bigger is not necessarily better, more is not necessarily better. KISS is good. Keep it Small/Simple Stupid.
I use BSD as well, and this is why I love NetBSD and OpenBSD. They are very small, whenever I install it, I install just the standard (1 CD). If I then use I can install applications via the ports collection. Let's not let our Linux pride blind us. Happy Holidays.
Cheers
I am in my early 20's, and I am a dumb very guy. I have decided to enhance myself and upgrade to genius status, by taking all the advice you guys have given, thanks a lot slashdot!!!
I don't mean to be a troll, but since you "were a gifted child?". How old are you? Do you still have the talent? Where are you today? What do you regret and wish you hadn't done or done? etc etc? I am just curious because a lot of times, we here so much about gifted children, but we never hear how they end up?